Wikipedia:Motto of the day/Nominations/Archive 27

→ A man learns to skate by staggering about and making a fool of himself; indeed, he progresses in all things by making a fool of himself.
 Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 13:50, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak Support - I don't generally like linking to templates in a motto, but this one is passable. Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:19, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:47, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak oppose both mottos. Anybody have a better idea besides linking to a template? Cus I don't. --I dream of horses (T) @  02:59, 3 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Support I like it, it makes more sense than the second link. Hi878 (talk) 04:35, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/May 5, 2010 (per consensus; 4 in support and 1 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:10, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

→ A man learns to skate by staggering about and making a fool of himself; indeed, he progresses in all things by making a fool of himself.
Edit 1 ~  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 13:50, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - Besides my aversion to linking to templates, there is nothing in the template to identify what the Resilient Barnstar is awarded for, so anyone not already familiar with it would be lost. Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:19, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose I agree with Nutiketaiel. Hi878 (talk) 04:35, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

(in favour of the original) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:10, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

=== → Love is a passion Which kindles honor into noble acts. === John Dryden, reported in Josiah Hotchkiss Gilbert, Dictionary of Burning Words of Brilliant Writers (1895), p. 392. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:34, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak oppose - last link not very... good.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 09:17, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - Actually, I like the last link. It is an interesting article and I think it fits well within the context of the quote.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:25, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak Oppose - I don't see how the last link fits.  MMS  2013  12:18, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Reply - I think it fits. The essay that it links to speaks of and elaborates on the need for acting in good faith, for assuming good faith, and to not cripple your actions or your boldness in an over-zealous attempt to give the appearance of good faith.  All of those seem to be "noble acts" to me.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:07, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south (talk) 19:03, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak support- I like the linking for honor; I think that last link is not great, but fine as is. {&#123; Sonia &#124;talk&#124;simple}&#125; 08:28, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Support I actually like the last link, but let's see if I can do something that "fits" better. --I dream of horses (T) @ 02:57, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

(in favour of Edit 1) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:55, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

==== → Love is a passion Which kindles honor into noble acts. ==== Edit 1 ~ I'm guessing an assumption would be an action. --I dream of horses (T) @ 02:57, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Support That link works better, it makes sense without having to read to much. :)
 * Support ~ this version is much better than the original. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:52, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/May 4, 2010 (per consensus; 3++ in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:55, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

=== → To heal divisions, to relieve the oppressed, In virtue rich; in blessing others, blessed. === Homer translated by Alexander Pope, Odyssey, Book VII –p joe f (talk • contribs) 06:45, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Support- This makes sense to me. SS  ✞(Kay) 08:21, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong Support - Good quote, excellent links. Well done.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:18, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - Very good. WVRMAD • Talk  • Guestbook   18:21, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/May 3, 2010 (per consensus; 4 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:50, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

===→ While all are drunk, I am sober; While all are contaminated, I alone am clear.===  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 09:41, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I don't like the essay it links to- way too sarcastic. Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:31, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Reply - yes, it's sarcastic, but it brings a reasonable message through humour.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 12:33, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Reply - That is certainly the intent, but it's not humerous enough to justify this level of sarcasm. It doesn't come off as funny, it just comes off as... well, sarcastic.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:36, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - Looks way too snarky to me.  MMS  2013  12:38, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose: the quote seems to hold little correlation to the link. SpitfireTally-ho! 11:43, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Reply - while all think that X should be kept, I know better. BTW, this is the first time that I've properly translated a verse at the MOTD :)  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 00:03, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Support- I think its message is clear enough- its heavy-handed sarcasm makes it clear that it is not to be taken seriously. (and well done with translation, Kayau! :) SS  ✞(Kay) 08:15, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak Support It's a bit too sarcastic, but not so bad. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:34, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

(no consensus; 3 in support and 3 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:40, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

(in favour of Edit 1; 2 in support and 3 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:42, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

====→ While all are drunk, I am sober; While all are contaminated, I alone am clear.====
 * Edit 1, suggestion. ~ A H  1 (TCU) 20:28, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - This linking is great! It's much better than the original.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:20, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak oppose -- I like the other one better; I'm not entirely sure what the message of this one is. SS  ✞(Kay) 02:14, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:42, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/May 2, 2010 (per consensus and in emergency status; 3 in support and 1 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:42, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

→ I haven't finished yet, you crazy lamebrained pathetic dumb klutz fool!
This one is a bit childish, but more insult-ish than that ape thing.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 12:29, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong Oppose - Ummm... no. At least damn dirty apes is a well known quote.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:43, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
 * The Day My Bum Went Psycho is quite a well-known book for kids like me.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 23:59, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Reply - And Planet of the Apes is a world-known cultural touchstone. Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:25, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Reply - are you implying that the day my bum weny psycho is not popular worldwide? Because it's sold in Australia, the US and the UK. And Hong Kong, of course. The cover of the US edition claims it's a new york times bestseller.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 13:29, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Reply - Yes, I'm sure it's very popular. Planet of the Apes, however, is almost universally known.  You can't compare the two; they're not even in the same ballpark.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:38, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

(no consensus) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:39, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

(no consensus) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:38, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

===→ Ense petit placidam sub libertate quietem ("With a sword, she seeks quiet peace under liberty") === On the Seal of Massachusetts. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 06:52, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - The link doesn't make any sense. Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:05, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment: It does not make sense to me too ~ lol ~ I searched Wikipedia for something about "liberty" or "peace and liberty"... but the only thing I found is the WikiProject about Wikipedia's articles on libertarianism. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:49, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

(withdrawn) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:36, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

===→ The swallow twitters about the eaves; Blithely she sings, and sweet and clear; Around her climb the woodbine leaves In a golden atmosphere.=== Celia Laighton Thaxter (1835–1894), "The Swallow" –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:41, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak oppose - FC and WIAFA don't seem to mix...  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 09:43, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment: the "golden atmosphere" is not only formed by other swallows, but by everything around them, other animals, plants, the sky, spring sunshine, the arrival of the new season and etcetera, and then, consequently, the FC portal seems to me a bit more appropriate. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 10:33, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I'm inclined to agree with Kayau, those two links don't seem to fit. Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:35, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

====→ The swallow twitters about the eaves; Blithely she sings, and sweet and clear; Around her climb the woodbine leaves In a golden atmosphere.==== Edit one -  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 12:51, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Support that is so weak, it is completely undetectable by current scientific instruments - It is an improvement over the original in that all the links make sense now, but it's still not a very good motto. It just feels like a random snatch of poetry (I would say bad poetry, but as I hate most poetry I feel I'm not really qualified to judge) that has been twisted and shoehorned to fit Wikipedia.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:40, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Most FA-related nominations are random poems related to praise, in case you haven't noticed. :P  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 00:01, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Reply - I suppose, but they're not all this... blatant about it. Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:09, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak oppose- It doesn't really say anything to me. (And per Nutiketaiel, the original poetry is bad to start with.) SS  ✞(Kay) 02:34, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south (talk) 21:47, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

(no consensus) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:16, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

Shut you goddammed stinkin' trap, you airheaded bloody moron!
Since it's no different, a random insult.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 09:20, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong Oppose - Uhhh, it seems harder to justify when it's not a quote. Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:40, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong Oppose - I definitely agree with Nutiketaiel. How are we supposed to explain this?  MMS  2013  12:27, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

- not enough discussion. Simply south (talk) 21:47, 7 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Oppose –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:52, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

(no consensus; 1 in support and 3 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:13, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

→ Snap out of it!
Loretta Castorini (portrayed by Cher). Moonstruck (directed by Norman Jewison; written by John Patrick Shanley; starring Cher, Nicolas Cage, Olympia Dukakis, Vincent Gardenia, Danny Aiello; music composed by Dick Hyman; cinematography by David Watkin; 1987). –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:08, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak support -  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 10:10, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak Oppose - It's not really a motto. Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:39, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak Support - nothing special. WVRMAD • Talk  • Guestbook   18:24, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/May 1, 2010 (per bland consensus and in emergency; 3 in support/weak support and 1 opposed "weakly") –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:07, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

The world makes its impact on Wikipedia, but Wikipedia also affects the world.
~ A H  1 (TCU) 20:40, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Support- I quite like this one. SS  ✞(Kay) 01:56, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong Support - This one sends an important message. Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:09, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak support - while it brings a good message, I don't think it's very 'motto-y' when it's just another sentence that the MOTD made up in a day.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 11:35, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Reply- so all mottos have to be well-used and famous before they become mottos? Doesn't make sense to me... SS  ✞(Kay) 02:10, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Reply - oh, well, yeah.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 02:14, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 06:47, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/April 30, 2010 (per consensus; X in support and X opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:52, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

→ Not for ourselves, but for the whole world
If you insist upon a link, you may link it to Liverpool, as it is that city's motto. Paul, in Saudi (talk) 05:01, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I've linked it to wp:readers first, as the most appropriate link I could find- improve if necessary. I support this version. SS  ✞(Kay) 08:13, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak support - our readers are not the world. (And it looks like Paul hasn't quite understood how the MOTD works :(.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 09:26, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
 * While I do appreciate an attempt at snide comments, I would suppose from my years of contributing that the MOTD works just as, the contributors wish it to work. But I would very much value your explanation. Paul, in Saudi (talk) 09:56, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Reply - look at WP:MOTD/N, for example. And look at all the archives. You will see that all the mottos are either linked to pages related to Wikipedia, or the word 'Wikipedia' (or any related terms) appear in the motto itself. Do any of the mottos show no relation to Wikipedia? I suppose not. Also, about the link. We don't link for the sake of linking; we link for the sake of introducing the links which may be useful to Wikipedians. Right? Linking relates something to Wikipedia. If you link to Liverpool, that's bad because aside from the fact that this is the motto of Liverpool, it has nothing to do with Liverpool, so an arrow link should be placed before it. At risk of creating a CoI, I recommend you to take a look at WP:MOTD/G first. Thanks,  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 10:10, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Double Reply Actually, no. In the long-ago time, there was no requirement to provide a proposed motto with a link. This is an innovation. Paul, in Saudi (talk) 10:45, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Reply - Technically, a link isn't necessary if the motto's relevance to Wikipedia is self-evident, but this is uncommon. Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:20, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Reply to Paul: Yep, as I said above you don't have to link if 'Wikipedia' or related terms appear.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 12:06, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
 * In June 2006, all mottos (except for 06-23) were obviously referring to Wikipedia.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 12:08, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - WP:RF probably isn't the best link to establish relevance to Wikipedia, but I can't think of a better one off hand. The motto works, though.  I like it.  Incidentally, I took the liberty of adding a space between the arrow link and the motto itself.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:20, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Support. Message shows that Wikipedia is global and should be readable. ~ A H  1 (TCU) 20:24, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Support Maybe I missed something here, but right now, it seems to be working. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:05, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/April 29, 2010 (per consensus) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:50, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

→ A wretched soul, bruised with adversity.
William Shakespeare (1564–1616), The Comedy of Errors, Act II, Scene I (1623) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 06:52, 13 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Support - it does sound a bit strange, but I see no reason to oppose.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 10:30, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak Support - It looks decent enough to me. Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:47, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/April 28, 2010 (per consensus; 3 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:46, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

→ Houston, we have a problem
Jim Lovell (portrayed by Tom Hanks). Apollo 13 (directed by Ron Howard; written by Jim Lovell and Jeffrey Kluger (Lost Moon); William Broyles, Jr. and Al Reinert (Screenplay); starring Tom Hanks, Kevin Bacon, Bill Paxton, Gary Sinise, Ed Harris; music composed by James Horner; cinematography by Dean Cundey; 1995). –p joe f (talk • contribs) 06:52, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Neutral - something more positive might be better...  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 10:28, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - It makes sense to me. Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:05, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak Support -  MMS  2013  12:08, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/April 27, 2010 (per consensus; 3 in support and 1 neutral) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:44, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

→ Success is not final, failure is not fatal, it's the courage to continue that counts.
~ A H  1 (TCU) 01:10, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

(in favour of Edit 1) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:41, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 06:52, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak support - have trouble with the last link.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 10:27, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - I agree with Kayau that the last link is not ideal, but the rest of the motto and linking are so good that it makes up for it. Still, a better last link would probably garner this motto my strong support.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:07, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - I see nothing wrong with the last link.  MMS  2013  12:10, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose Why is it mispelled? Paul, in Saudi (talk) 05:05, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't know whhat is misspelled here, but I do know that you've misspelled misspell.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 09:28, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I've checked and nothing is mis-spelt. Simply south (talk)
 * Oops, that's because I fixed it. SS  ✞(Kay) 04:17, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Support- but strong support if last link is removed. SS  ✞(Kay) 07:42, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

→ Success is not final, failure is not fatal, it's the courage to continue that counts.
Edit 1 ~  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 09:28, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong Support - You know, now that I see it, I guess you guys are right- it is definitely better without the last link. Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:23, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong support -- as I said above. SS  ✞(Kay) 02:16, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Support ~ this is better than before. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:53, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/April 26, 2010 (per consensus; 4 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:41, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Damned if they do, damned if they don't.
The original quote is about the democratic party, which is stuck in a kind of dilemma whether they should go to Beijing to compromise about the universal suffrage. If the do, Beijing and probably parties like the DAB will get mad; if they don't, parties like civil and LSD will get mad.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 13:22, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Conditional Support - I like it, but my support is conditional on you removing the attribution to the South China Morning Post. That saying is older than dirt, they did not come up with it.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 16:52, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Support ~ I've also removed the arrow link. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:58, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/April 25, 2010 (per consensus; 3 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:38, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

===→ Alis grave nil ("Nothing is too heavy to those who have wings") === Motto of the Pontifical Catholic University of Rio de Janeiro (Pontifícia Universidade Católica do Rio de Janeiro — PUC-RIO). I would liked to point to Great editing in progress, but that page is inactive. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:08, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - a bit bland but works.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 10:11, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak Support - It's not that great, but passable. Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:38, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/April 24, 2010 (per consensus; 3 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:35, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

God gave us mountains, but he also gave us each other.
I never much understood why a good motto needed to be linked to something. Paul, in Saudi (talk) 04:43, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong oppose - not related to Wikipedia in any way. Mottos must be linked in order to relate it to Wikipedia UNLESS the word 'wikipedia' or related terms appear in the motto.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 05:05, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Reply - Really? At the danger of falling into arguement, it speaks to the necessity of cooperation. Paul, in Saudi (talk) 05:23, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Reply - another reason for rejecting this motto when without links is that it would be too Christian and violate WP:NPOV.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 05:40, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Reply - Christian? It could be any other monotheistic religion. Must mottos also be NPOV toward vandalism? But Paul- yes, it is pretty irrelevant without any linking. How about "God gave us mountains, but he also gave us each other"? SS  ✞(Kay) 06:14, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Suggestion: What about "God gave us mountains, but He also gave us each other."? –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:17, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Second Reply Sure, link it as you like. How someone got the impression that this is Christian is beyond me. Paul, in Saudi (talk) 10:10, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - The relevance to Wikipedia is not clear. Also, who gives a damn if it's Christian?  Espousing any religion is a problem in my book, and you can all keep your gods, but there's nothing wrong with mottos mentioning god.  I would have a problem with this motto in its original form both because of its lack of clear relevance to Wikipedia and its supposition that the motto writer's god created both mountains and people (and, by implication, other things as well), which I find to be patent nonsense.  However, the below mottos are clearly linked to Wikipedia and use "god" as an allegory for Wikipedia, which I am just fine with (a little poetic license never hurt anyone).  Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:51, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

(in favour of Edit 1) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:32, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

God gave us mountains, but he also gave us each other.
Edit 1 - per pjoef -  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 10:09, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak oppose - don't understand the last one.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 10:09, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Conditional support - ah, I understand it now. But for once I completely agree with Nutiketaiel in that we should have caps, to comply with WP:NPOV.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 03:12, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Conditional Support - I like the linking here. Kayau, the last link to WP:PROJ is saying that we have each other, meaning that we should cooperate, as exemplified by Wikiprojects.  My support is conditional, however, because I don't think the pronoun "He" should be capitalized.  It implies a level of respect for the monotheistic deity that we don't need to express.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:51, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
 * support- Caps or not. SS  ✞(Kay) 22:18, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:32, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/April 23, 2010 (per consensus; 4 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:32, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

God gave us mountains, but he also gave us each other.
Edit 2 -  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 10:09, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - The link to WP:STUB doesn't make sense. Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:51, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: I changed the pronoun "he" in lower case in all versions. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:17, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

(in favour of Edit 1) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:32, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

=== Did you know ...that Beethoven's ninth symphony is written by Ludwig van Beethoven? === After all, it may be obvious, but it's still important.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 08:45, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

...that Beethoven's ninth symphony is written by Ludwig van Beethoven?'" –p joe f (talk'' • contribs) 07:22, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Suggestion: How about "'''Did you know
 * Weak Oppose - The link doesn't make sense. Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:55, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Reply - Wikipedia's being an encyclopaedia may seem to be commons sense, just as Beethoven wrote his 9th symphony.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 12:41, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

(in favour of Edit 1) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:25, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

==== Did you know ...that Beethoven's ninth symphony is written by Ludwig van Beethoven? ==== Edit 1 - per pjoef -  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 10:07, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - although I still insist that the original is better since we almost never use it these days.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 10:07, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak Support - It's not bad. I don't really like the "Did you know" format, but it works as a gimmick as long as we don't use it more than the once.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:55, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:25, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/April 22, 2010 (per consensus; 3 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:25, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Constant dripping wears away the stone.
A Chinese idiom that seems to be imported into english.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 10:51, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak Support - I can see the connection, but I don't think comparing donations to wearing away stone is the best image. Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:22, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - Per Nutiketaiel  MMS  2013  17:59, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak Support + Suggestion: "Constant dripping wears away the stone." Special:RecentChanges, Help:Page history and How to respond to vandalism are also good for the first link. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:22, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/April 21, 2010 (per bland consensus, but there is not an approved motto for tomorrow, April 21; 3 in support and 1 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:19, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Constant dripping wears away the stone.
Edit 1 - per pjoef  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 10:05, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak Oppose - I see the point, but I find the reference to anti-vandalism activities as a drip against a stone to be very frustrating. Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:59, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

(in favour of the original) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:19, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

→ As a dog returns to his vomit, so a fool repeats his folly.
~ A H  1 (TCU) 01:10, 13 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 06:56, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong support - good to have some humour (that isn't bland or lame) once in a while.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 10:26, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - Ew. It's good, but... ew.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:09, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Yum... :P support SS  ✞(Kay) 07:43, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

✅ per consensus. Simply south (talk) 19:05, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

→ The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog
Is this rather bland? Simply south (talk) 17:34, 8 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Support - LOL, it's hilarious and appropriate. Nutiketaiel (talk) 17:49, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - by some amazing coincidence, a couple of days ago I used this sentence at WP:HD. :)  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 02:00, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment: added arrow link.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 13:35, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 06:59, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/April 19, 2010 (per consensus) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:55, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

→ Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
Just a thought. I saw the connection between the quote and the policy on Meta, and thought it might may a good motto. Avic enna sis @ 08:33, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Support -  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 13:15, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong Oppose we should not be likening good faith edits to stupidity. SpitfireTally-ho! 13:22, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Reply - when we don't know that whether edits are good faith or not, we should stupidly assume good faith even when it could really be a bad-faith edit.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 13:27, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Haven't-eaten-for-days-weak support- I like it personally, but- the quote does imply that people who stuff up are either evil or stupid. There's quite a few newbs out there who aren't either, just... newbs to our culture and rules. SS  ✞(Kay) 02:37, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - Some good faith edits really are stupid. Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:30, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Reply My thought on this wasn't to mean stupid in an offensive way, merely as possibly ignorant of policies. This can apply to old users are well as new - Often I have read messages that seem harmful, but upon reflection show either a lack of understanding, or bad phrasing/choice of words. Although, if this is not the meaning that others attribute to the quote, I would say oppose. Avic enna sis @ 18:54, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Reply - I can't speak for anyone else, but that is the meaning of "stupid" that I thought of when I saw the quote. Indeed, the quote is pretty well known and is frequently interpreted as such.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 19:14, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:51, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/April 18, 2010 (per consensus; 5 in support and 1 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:51, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they go flying by.
I'll let you all figure out how that one connects. :) Hi878 (talk) 03:25, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong oppose - looks like somebody hasn't read the essay, WP:DEADLINE.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 04:06, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Reply Or I have, and I'm trying my hand at humor. Didn't work, apparently. :P Hi878 (talk) 04:08, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

(in favour of Edit 1) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:45, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

→ I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they go flying by.
Edit 1 ~ Made the intent a tad more obvious, hopefully. Hi878 (talk) 04:13, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Note Discussion copied to the Special section for use on May 25, Towel Day. Add your comments there too, please. I left this here in case it isn't chosen for that day. Hi878 (talk) 17:44, 8 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Weak support - well, if I hadn't read your comment, I'd never have understood the contradiction.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 04:54, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Support humorously displays that no one on wikipedia is obliged to do anything, something that users would probably do well to remember. SpitfireTally-ho! 13:24, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Reply I'm glad someone got it. :P Hi878 (talk) 18:00, 7 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Support I like the motto, is it a quote from anywhere? SS  ✞(Kay) 02:39, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Reply I suppose it would have been good to say that, it is a quote from Douglas Adams. Don't remember when he said it, but I know that he did. Hi878 (talk) 04:02, 8 April 2010 (UTCo
 * Yep, It's Adams. I've added a → SpitfireTally-ho! 04:05, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Right, I forgot about that part. :P Hi878 (talk) 04:13, 8 April 2010 (UTC)


 * A thought I just had a thought, would it be a good idea to move this to the "Special" section? It could be used on May 25, which is Towel Day. If nobody says anything, I'll just move it. Oh, and would I move the comments with it, or just pretend none of you said anything? Hi878 (talk) 04:30, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Move the comments, I guess, with a note that they were moved. I've got no probs with the idea... SS  ✞(Kay) 05:50, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay, I'll leave this here in case it isn't used on towel day. Hi878 (talk) 17:44, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - Good quote and good choice of link. I don't really care if it gets moved over to Specials or not, just glad it started here because I don't check the damn specials page.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:33, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:02, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/April 17, 2010 (per consensus) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:45, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

→ Toga! Toga!
John "Bluto" Blutarsky (portrayed by John Belushi). National Lampoon's Animal House (directed by John Landis; written by Harold Ramis, Douglas Kenney, and Chris Miller; starring John Belushi, Tim Matheson, Peter Riegert, Karen Allen, John Vernon, Verna Bloom, Thomas Hulce, Cesare Danova, Donald Sutherland; music composed by Elmer Bernstein; 1978). –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:34, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Question - what does 'toga' mean?  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 09:15, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Reply: The toga is a dress that was worn by ancient Romans. Something like a white sheet wrapped around the body.  But, in this scene Bluto is referring to a toga party (^___^). I think you need to watch this film (^___^). –p joe f (talk • contribs) 10:46, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Reply - I haven't seen any of the films where the mottos come from; I only judge the value of the motto by, well, looking at the literal meaning. You see, I'm no fan of films. It's been long since I've been to a theatre. But anyhow, I don't understand what toga and CTW have to do with each other here so neutral.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 11:22, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I have seen the films in question, and I am a veteran of a Greek Letter Fraternity and have been to many toga parties. However, I also fail to see what WP:CTW has to do with the line.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:30, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Very Weak Oppose - I'm very unsure as to how the quote and CTW relate.  MMS  2013  12:23, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment: We all know what a toga party is (^___^). I only wanted to compare the joy of attending a party with the joy of participating, editing and contributing in any way to Wikipedia. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:30, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose- I don't know what a toga party is. And I don't see any relevance in this motto. SS  ✞(Kay) 08:33, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

(no consensus) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:41, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

→ A soft answer turneth away wrath, but grievous words stir up anger.
Proverbs 15:1, from the King James translation. I think the intended meaning is pretty self explanatory, and the links establish relevance to Wikipedia. Nutiketaiel (talk) 18:02, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - wow, Nutiketaiel, you always nominate the best ones.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 03:13, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Support Simple, elegant, true. Great job here. Avic enna sis @ 08:33, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong support: I really like the message here. Good job with the linking Nutiketaiel. SpitfireTally-ho! 13:25, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

✅ per consensus. Simply south (talk) 21:50, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

→ Wikipedia is the best pedia.
68.82.197.202 (talk) 18:27, 7 March 2010 (UTC) - too few opinions to reach consensus  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 14:30, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - what's a pedia?  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 09:28, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment: Pedia > Redirects to > Encyclopedia, SpitfireTally-ho! 10:21, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
 * It's still a bit... simple.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 11:16, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - Not really much to it. Nutiketaiel (talk) 18:17, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak Oppose - a bit too simple.  MMS  2013  20:31, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak Support per above, but it is not so very bad. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:44, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south (talk) 21:50, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

→ Together, we shall fight drugs! Fight drugs! Fight drugs!
I know, the noms can't get any lamer :)  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 12:07, 7 March 2010 (UTC) - not enough opinions to reach consensus  Kayau  Voting   IS   evil 14:30, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose I don't like the correlation implied between drugs and vandalism. SpitfireTally-ho! 10:24, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I don't like drugs being compared to something universally negative like vandalism. Nutiketaiel (talk) 18:23, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
 * reply - this one focuses on the fighting not the drugs.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 09:46, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Reply - Maybe the focus is on the fighting, but you're still fighting drugs, and WP:VANDAL is still linked to drugs. Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:23, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south (talk) 21:50, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

→ Nice to eat you!
I know this is not what Foster meant, but what the heck.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 13:10, 5 March 2010 (UTC) - too few opinions  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 14:30, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Confused Look - Uhhh... who's Foster, and what did he mean? Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:13, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Reply - he's a humourous English professor. He meant to joke about it - two of the chapters were about communions and vampires in literature, so he made up these two headings to amuse the reader.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 13:33, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment- The first thing I thought of was WP:BITE, frankly. It made me laugh, though :). SS  ✞(Kay) 01:43, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - Sorry, it just doesn't make much sense. Nutiketaiel (talk) 18:36, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose I don't think that the quote and the link hold much mutual relevance, or any relevance to each other, regards, SpitfireTally-ho! 10:28, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south (talk) 21:50, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

→ We've got nothing. I don't like the sound of that. We got nothin'!
Per User:Hmmwhatsthisdo at Wikipedia_talk:Motto_of_the_day; I'm not putting it in the specials because, well the specials don't receive much attention.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 11:25, 4 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Oppose - It makes our project here look pretty bad. Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:26, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong Oppose - We definitely have more than nothing. I'd say we work relatively hard on this project.  MMS  2013  13:44, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This one's for emergencies. See discussion.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 14:06, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Reply - Emergency or no, it still makes us look bad. Nutiketaiel (talk) 15:05, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - sorry, I like the idea but it's a bit too emphasised with the repetition. Smaug123 (talk) 17:46, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Reply - Well, if there's a link function to insert the current date, then "We got nothin'!" could point to the (redlinked) MOTD page for the day. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hmmwhatsthisdo (talk • contribs) 20:29, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Re: The 30th of February (^___^)??? –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:50, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south (talk) 21:50, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

→ We've got nothing. I don't like the sound of that. We got nothin'!
Per Hmmwhatsisdo.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 13:23, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose for the same reasons I opposed the original version. Nutiketaiel (talk) 20:32, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

ALL versions (no consensus)  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 14:28, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south (talk) 21:50, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Why?
Short & sweet  Temari  Hyuga  
 * Weak support bland but gives a reasonable message. Simply south (talk) 16:54, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Very weak support - Well, there isn't a WP:SNOW of a vandal resisting vandalism just by looking at this message, but it's certainly better than nothing. 10:11, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - Not really a motto. Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:34, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Suggestion: What about using The motivation of a vandal? –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:18, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment - That would certainly be a better link, but it still wouldn't really be a motto. Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:37, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

(no consensus; 1 in support, 2 weak supports, and 1 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:22, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south (talk) 21:50, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

===→ Alterum non laedere ("To not wound another") === One of Justinian I's three basic legal precepts. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:34, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak support -  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 09:16, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - Excellent choice of linking. Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:28, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong Support - I don't think you could have picked a better link.  MMS  2013  12:19, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/April 15, 2010 (per consensus; 4 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:48, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

New idea
No, this is not an April fool's day joke. I read on a Chinese book about a story where Chesterton and Shaw were teasing each other about their appearnaces. I think that would be an excellent link to WP:NPA. But anyone got the exact quote?  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 09:46, 10 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment ~ I think it's in a couple of essays: Eugenics and Other Evils by G. K. Chesterton, and Chesterton on Shaw by George Bernard Shaw, both published in 1922. But, there are countless debates and remarks of the two writers. On Chesterton's article here on Wikipedia there is the following line: On another occasion he (Chesterton) remarked to his friend George Bernard Shaw, "To look at you, anyone would think there was a famine in England". Shaw retorted, "To look at you, anyone would think you caused it". I think that it's a bit too complicated to make it work. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:31, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

====→ &#147;To look at you, anyone would think there was a famine in England.&#148; → &#147;To look at you, anyone would think you caused it!&#148;====  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 09:31, 20 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:07, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak Support - Not bad. Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:47, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south (talk)


 * Support - good links. Simply south (talk) 18:29, 26 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Support - It made me laugh. :)  MMS  2013 ' 18:11, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/April 14, 2010 (per consensus; 5 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:45, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

→ Oh! My throat! Time for a nice cup of tea with a little honey.
The dog said this on yesterday's strip.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 09:41, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak Support - It's a wierd quote, and I'm not too sure about the last link, but it's OK. Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:33, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak Support - Per Nutiketaiel —Preceding unsigned comment added by MMS2013 (talk • contribs)
 * Weak Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:36, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/April 13, 2010 (per consensus; 4 in support/weak support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:37, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

→ Why don't you come up sometime and see me?
Lady Lou (portrayed by Mae West). She Done Him Wrong (directed by Lowell Sherman; written by Mae West (play Diamond Lil), Harvey F. Thew, John Bright; starring Mae West, Cary Grant, Owen Moore, Gilbert Roland, Noah Beery; music composed by John Leipold; cinematography by Charles Lang; 1933). –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:41, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Very weak support - ONLY for emergencies.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 09:42, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - Not much of a motto, and I don't agree with supporting poor quality mottos just "for emergencies." Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:37, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Conditional Support - I think it would work as an emergency motto Exclusively. I can see this causing less fallout than "This Space for Rent", which wasn't that terrible to begin with.  MMS  2013  18:06, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/April 12, 2010 (as an emergency motto; 3 in support and 1 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:29, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

→ Rules can be bent!
 Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 13:38, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Very Weak Support - The link fits perfectly, but I worry a bit that this might be taken the wrong way.  MMS  2013  16:52, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 17:43, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak Support - It's alright. Nothing wrong with reminding people about IAR.  It gets abused alot, but that doesn't mean it's a bad policy.  Just means that the rest of us have to keep a better eye out and keep a short leash on our dogs.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:55, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Question Sorry if I'm missing something, but are the arrow links supposed to be red? (here and below) Smaug123 (talk) 22:52, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Reply - nobody's bothered to write the articles.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 07:20, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Reply - Hmm, thanks. Smaug123 (talk) 09:33, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

(in favour of Edit 1) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:25, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

→ "Rules can be bent!" "Not by me!"
Edit 1 ~  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 02:46, 17 February 2010 (UTC) Or
 * Question - Was the "Not by me" statement from the original source, or did you add it yourself, Kayau? Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:55, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Reply Lang Guoren said the first one. The guard said the second.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 00:03, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - Ah, excellent then. I support this version, then.  I think IARBIAS is a better link than that petition.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 14:05, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Support ~ I prefer this version. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:50, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

✅ (as an emergency motto; see below) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:25, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

→ "Rules can be bent!" "Not by me!"
Edit 2 ~  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 02:46, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment Fix the redlink! Temari  Hyuga  '''
 * Reply Problem is, nobody's bothered to write an article yet so how can I fix it?  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 01:00, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually this sems to come under Xiaolin Showdown. Simply south (talk) 13:18, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
 * What on Earth is Xiaolin Showdown? Never heard of it.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 10:27, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, so it's a cartoon. Um, the first link is to Lang Guoren - that's Lang Lang's father. Journey of a Thousand Miles is Lang Lang's autobiography. Neither have much to do with cartoons.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 10:31, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

(in favour of Edit 1) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:25, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

ALL versions (no consensus) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:16, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
 * If you are referring to Lang Lang (pianist), the arrow should link to there rather than the book. Simply south (talk) 17:01, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
 * But he didn't make it up himself - his father and the guard said them.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 00:50, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

✅ (EDIT 1 as an emergency motto) for Motto of the day/April 11, 2010 (per bland consensus; 3 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:25, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

→ Get your stinking paws off me, you damned dirty ape!
George Taylor (portrayed by Charlton Heston). Planet of the Apes (directed by Franklin J. Schaffner; written by Pierre Boulle (novel), Michael Wilson and Rod Serling (screenplay); starring Charlton Heston, Roddy McDowall, Kim Hunter, Maurice Evans, James Whitmore, James Daly, Linda Harrison; music composed by Jerry Goldsmith; cinematography by Leon Shamroy; 1968). –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:56, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose per WP:Do not insult the vandals.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 10:21, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak Oppose - I hate to admit it, but Kayau is right on this one. However hilarious, I think it may be a bit over the line.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:33, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - Do not insult the vandals  MMS  2013  13:21, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Reply: That is an essay and not a rule. And, if it will be a rule in the future, then WP:IAR ... because it prevents me from improving and maintaining MOTD!!! (I'm kidding of course ~ lol) Anyway, I interpret it as: "do not vandalize Wikipedia", and IMHO "dirty" is not a great insult. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:03, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Reply - dirty is not, but damned and ape are.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 14:05, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Re:Reply: The Damned are a fantastic punk band (^___^) ... and ape means monkey or uncivilised person, and both terms fit perfectly with a vandal (^___^). In any case, I can understand your opposition. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 10:21, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose per Kayau. Smaug123 (talk) 17:28, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

(in favour of Edit 1) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:18, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

→ Get your stinking paws off me, you damned dirty ape!
Edit 1 ~ Rather the opposite of original  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 09:20, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

ALL versions (no consensus)  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 14:23, 22 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Support - This version is much more appropriate. Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:39, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Support (both versions, of course) ~ this version (edit 1) is a bit more bland than the original, but the phrase is highly impressive. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:49, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

✅ (Edit 1) for Motto of the day/April 10, 2010 (as an emergency motto per bland consensus; 3 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:18, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

===→ Dum spiro spero ("While I breathe, I hope") === Cicero (106 BC – 43 BC), Letters to Atticus. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:33, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I don't understand this at all. What does hoping has to do with barnstars?  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 10:01, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Reply: To make an excellent work on WIkipedia in the hope of receiving one or many barnstars. An award for the good job. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 11:18, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - To me, the purpose of editing Wikipedia is not to earn barnstars(even though barnstars are great), but to help improve the encylopedia.  MMS  2013  13:14, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment: That is not the purpose but the hope. To improve articles and Wikipedia is a MUST while BStarZ are just a hope and, probably, a consequence ... IMHO ... of course. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:36, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I agree with MMS2013, this motto sends the wrong message. Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:18, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

====→ Dum spiro spero ("While I breathe, I hope") ==== edit 1. Simply south (talk) 16:54, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - Equating "hope" with a peer review doesn't make sense to me. Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:34, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I was meaning that with peer review, there are suggestions that could hopefully make the article better. Simply south (talk) 20:22, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose -  MMS  2013  14:52, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

====→ Dum spiro spero ("While I breathe, I hope") ==== A more literal take. edit 2. Simply south (talk) 20:22, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - bland but OK.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 14:22, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Conditional Support ~ I like this version, but I prefer the original. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:37, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak Oppose - It's better than the other versions, but it seems like we should come up with something better than links about featured noise for such a powerful quote. Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:05, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

====→ Dum spiro spero ("While I breathe, I hope") ==== Edit 3 ~ Same as above but for articles. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:42, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Very Weak Support - I suppose it's the best one so far, though it still isn't a very good set of links. Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:30, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

====→ Dum spiro spero ("While I breathe, I hope") ==== Edit 4 ~ Not that it is a particularly wonderful one, but it's just worth a try.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 14:19, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak Oppose - It seems to imply that editing is just a means to an end, that end being Adminship (which isn't exactly something to aspire to in the first place). Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:30, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

====→ Dum spiro spero ("While I breathe, I hope") ==== Edit 5 ~  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 14:21, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I don't like equating the pool over that the 5 Millionth Article will be to "hope." Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:30, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

all Dum spiro spero - no consensus. Smaug123 (talk) 18:59, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

====→ Dum spiro spero ("While I breathe, I hope") ==== Edit 6 ~  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 13:23, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - This is definitely the best version so far. Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:43, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak Oppose - How does a purpose relate to hope?  MMS  2013  12:32, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Reply: we hope to achieve the purpose of wikipedia.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 12:39, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

ALL VERSIONS (no consensus) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:14, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

→ How could this be?
"You Are Not Alone" single by Michael Jackson from the album HIStory: Past, Present and Future, Book I; released August 15, 1995; written by R. Kelly. Better? Temari  Hyuga  
 * Weak Support - This certainly makes more sense than the last one. Why is "This" capitalized?  Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:34, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - It barely make any sense, I think.  MMS  2013  13:12, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Very very weak support - and why is 'be' capitalised too?  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 13:59, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak Support + Note + Comment: I changed the arrow's link to point to the song + lowercase letters. Why not using Dispute resolution? –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:18, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Question - How does Dispute resolution fit? Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:37, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Reply ~ Dunno lol. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:21, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Re:Reply: I got it ~ lol ~ the arrow link points to "You Are Not Alone", so I think that it could run fine. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:07, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

(no consensus; 1 in support, 3 weak-very weak supports and 1 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:20, 16 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Support ~ I changed my opinion because we are in an emergency situation. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:11, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/April 9, 2010 (per bland consensus; 2 in support, 2 weak-very weak supports and 1 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:11, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

→ What is hell? I maintain that it is the suffering of being unable to love.
Fyodor Mikhaylovich Dostoyevsky (1821–1881) translated by Constance Garnett (1861–1946), The Brothers Karamazov (1880) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:35, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Err... this is a bit too simple, and we have too many love mottos so we probably don't have room for others... I say we save this one for an emergency.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 08:11, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - First off, I disagree with you Kayau, in that I don't think we can have "too many" of one type of motto- if a motto is good enough, then we should take it. This one, however, seems to have little relevance to Wikipedia.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:29, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

(in favour of Edit 1) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:02, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

→ What is hell? I maintain that it is the suffering of being unable to love.
Edit 1 ~ using WP:WAR as the hell. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:40, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak Support - This does seem to make it a bit more relevant. Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:45, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak support - per Nutiketaiel  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 12:47, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Support (this version) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:55, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Reply - um, I think it's pretty clear that you support your own nomination.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 09:55, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Reply: Yes, but there are two versions. I support both versions, of course, but if I must choose one, then I'll go for this version (edit 1). –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:58, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/April 8, 2010 (per bland consensus, but we are running dry again; 3 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:02, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

=== → Perfect sincerity and transparency make a great part of beauty, as in dewdrops, lakes, and diamonds. === Journal of Henry David Thoreau. (Long time reader first time writer.) Just saw the motto was "for rent" and figured I would give a suggestion. It made sense when I linked it, but I am not sure now. Very open to suggestions! Avic enna sis @ 09:35, 30 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Strong Support + added the arrow link. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 10:54, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Support, except that I don't understand the link to CoI. Can somebody explain that to me please?  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 11:23, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Reply - I think it is referring to "transparency" in the sense of making your conflicts of interest known (or transparent). Like when the term transparency is used in government, business or bureaucracy- it means making things visible to others when they may not otherwise be, to prevent problems.  It fits Conflict of interest perfectly, I think.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:27, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Reply - I see what you mean, but I still think it fits... quite loosely. But never mind, such as trivial matter shouldn't stop this motto from becoming a great one.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 12:54, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Reply - Nutiketaiel nailed it - that is the meaning I was going for. Avic enna sis @ 22:26, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong Support - Excellent Motto. Also, anybody who says "I told you so" to me because I opposed putting up the "for rent" motto is going to get a trout to the face. :-P Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:24, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong Support -  MMS  2013  12:15, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

✅ per consensus. Simply south (talk) 16:03, 2 April 2010 (UTC)