Wikipedia:Motto of the day/Nominations/Archive 28

Would you like fries with that?
I just thought of it on the top of my head for McDonald's 60th anniversary on May 15th 2010. Richard 22:10, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Support but i made a minor edit.  Temari  Hyuga  
 * Strong oppose - Again, nothing to do with Wikipedia.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 10:27, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose In favor of Edit 1. Hi878 (talk) 22:43, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

(in favour of Edit 1) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 21:57, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

→ Would you like fries with that?
Edit 1 ~ pointing to Help desk. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:05, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Support Actually, I think that link might work. Even though I disagree with celebrating the anniversary of McDonald's. :P Hi878 (talk) 22:42, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/May 15, 2010 (per consensus) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 21:57, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

→ I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they go flying by.
Made the intent a tad more obvious, hopefully. Hi878 (talk) 04:13, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Note Discussion copied from the "In Review" section for use on May 25, Towel Day. I left this discussion there in case it isn't chosen for this day. Hi878 (talk) 17:45, 8 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Weak support - well, if I hadn't read your comment, I'd never have understood the contradiction.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 04:54, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Support humorously displays that no one on wikipedia is obliged to do anything, something that users would probably do well to remember. SpitfireTally-ho! 13:24, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Reply I'm glad someone got it. :P Hi878 (talk) 18:00, 7 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Support I like the motto, is it a quote from anywhere? SS  ✞(Kay) 02:39, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Reply I suppose it would have been good to say that, it is a quote from Douglas Adams. Don't remember when he said it, but I know that he did. Hi878 (talk) 04:02, 8 April 2010 (UTCo
 * Yep, It's Adams. I've added a → SpitfireTally-ho! 04:05, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Right, I forgot about that part. :P Hi878 (talk) 04:13, 8 April 2010 (UTC)


 * A thought I just had a thought, would it be a good idea to move this to the "Special" section? It could be used on May 25, which is Towel Day. If nobody says anything, I'll just move it. Oh, and would I move the comments with it, or just pretend none of you said anything? Hi878 (talk) 04:30, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Move the comments, I guess, with a note that they were moved. I've got no probs with the idea... SS  ✞(Kay) 05:50, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - Good quote and good choice of link. I don't really care if it gets moved over to Specials or not, just glad it started here because I don't check the damn specials page.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:33, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

I'm just going to go ahead and close this. There are no oppose votes, and I don't see why there would be. Plus, I don't want this to just be forgotten about until the day after Towel Day. :) Hi878 (talk) 03:59, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

(in favour of Edit 3) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:11, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Note: I have approved the above motto from the regular nominations section for the 17th of April (2010). It was my mistake, because we were running dry and I have not read the note about leaving that nomination on both places (Regular and Special nominations). The motto has been showed on April 17 and it is also scheduled for Tuesday 25th May. IMHO we have two alternatives:


 * 1) Replace the motto (with a regular nomination or with one of the nominations bewlow.)
 * 2) Leave it where it is.

We (Hi878 and I) have thought about some alternatives. The quotes below are from the same author (Douglas Adams) and for the same date. The first nomination has a set of links while the second one is probably better, but we can not think of any links for it. Sorry for the mistake! –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:09, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

I think you should replace the motto, (see below for my comments). WVRMAD • Talk  • Guestbook  12:46, 27 April 2010 (UTC) I'm with replacing the motto with something else. --I dream of horses (T) @ 17:30, 3 May 2010 (UTC) Oh, whoops! I need to vote! --I dream of horses (T) @ 21:00, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

→ I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be.
Edit 1 ~ An alternative quote by Douglas Adams with links. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:09, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Note I would say try to use the one below for Towel Day, because it sounds better. However, we need some links. Any thoughts? Hi878 (talk) 18:34, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - Use instead of '→ I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they go flying by.' if no links can be found for motto below. WVRMAD • Talk  • Guestbook   13:01, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Support I like this motto the best, so supporting using it for May 25th. --I dream of horses (T) @ 21:00, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

(in favour of Edit 3) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:11, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

==== → The major difference between a thing that might go wrong and a thing that cannot possibly go wrong is that when a thing that cannot possibly go wrong goes wrong it usually turns out to be impossible to get at or repair. ==== Edit 2 ~ Douglas Adams, Mostly Harmless (1992) ~ Another quotation by Douglas Adams, but without links. This is a great quote, but we (Hi878 and I) were not able to find any links for it. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:09, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Note See note for above motto. Hi878 (talk) 18:34, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Suggestion ~ What about using Gaming the system for the whole phrase? –p joe f (talk • contribs) 11:52, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
 * That might be good. I think a better one would be nice, but I have no ideas, so... That link, if no others are found. Hi878 (talk) 18:30, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak support as it is Quite strong support if we get better links - its a bit long and long winded to make sense of as it is, Gaming the system is ok. WVRMAD • Talk  • Guestbook   13:04, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

(in favour of Edit 3) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:11, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

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→ The major difference between a thing that might go wrong and a thing that cannot possibly go wrong is that when a thing that cannot possibly go wrong goes wrong, it usually turns out to be impossible to get at or repair. ===== Edit 3 What do you think of these links? I think they're kind of funny, but you would all need to agree. :) Hi878 (talk) 02:34, 29 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Support (for Edit 3) ~ It seems good to me, and I didn't know that the main page got deleted. ~ lol ~ What about using Removal of adminship (desysopping) for "turns out to be impossible to get at or repair"? I think that the administrator in question probably had his powers removed. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:12, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
 * He didn't, it was an honest mistake, apparently. :) He kept his admin powers, go to the village stocks, there is a link to a discussion that happened at AN/I about it, it's pretty funny. Hi878 (talk) 20:17, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I think putting a link to the picture below would be funny in the "Impossible to get at or repair" part, should I create a subpage for it to link to, or just forget about that idea? Hi878 (talk) 19:22, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Never mind, I decided that I don't like the idea. Hi878 (talk) 22:15, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I've just had a perfect idea. I've added the link above. Hi878 (talk) 04:49, 3 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Support- Brilliant. I like love the linking. It's a good change from soaring motivational stuff, and it even manages to have a moral. :) {&#123; Sonia &#124;talk&#124;simple}&#125; 05:18, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - Obviously the main page is not "impossible to get at or repair," but a little poetic license never hurt anyone. The linking in this version is both humorous and appropriate.  Nicely done.  I prefer this to either of the other two suggestions.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:23, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

✅ for Motto_of_the_day/May_25,_2010 (per consensus; 5 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:11, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

===Now I will a rhyme construct By chosen words the young instruct. Cunningly devised endeavor, Con it and remember ever. Widths of circle here you see. Sketched out in strange obscurity.=== For π day TemariHyuga (talk) 10:52, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong oppose - nothing to do with Wikipedia.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 10:27, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment its a mnemonic for pi.TemariHyuga (talk) 12:43, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Reply - and how is that related to 'pedia?  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 12:57, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose Per Kayau. Hi878 (talk) 22:45, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - per above. WVRMAD • Talk  • Guestbook   11:29, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose – Nothing to do with Wikipedia. — MC10 ( T • C • GB •L)  05:12, 8 June 2010 (UTC)


 * per consensus (0 in favor, 4 against).  Hi 8 7 8   (Come yell at me!) 05:52, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

→ When you draw a situation - someone is scared or angry or happy - it means the same thing in all cultures.
Secret Saturdays  ( talk to me )  00:53, 29 May 2010 (UTC) (in favor of Edit 1) Secret Saturdays   ( talk to me )  15:23, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Conditional support Of course, conditional on my motto not passing. (You guys know I had to improve it! :-) The links has nothing to do with each other, but they make sense within this motto. --I dream of horses (T) @ 03:34, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

====→ When you draw a situation - someone is scared or angry or happy - it means the same thing in all cultures.==== I just added links to the emotion words. I'm not sure if it's any better. --I dream of horses (T) @ 03:34, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

•Strong Support- Talk about a major improvement. Keep up the good work! Secret Saturdays  ( talk to me )  05:13, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - better than the original. Simply south (talk) 13:49, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Support – Like this one better than the original. — MC10 ( T • C • GB •L)  17:29, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/June 11, 2010 (per consenus: 4 supports and no opposes) Secret Saturdays   ( talk to me )  15:23, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

→ Dare to be gorgeous and unique. But don't ever be cryptic or otherwise unfathomable. Make it unforgettably great.
Secret Saturdays  ( talk to me )  04:24, 28 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Support ~ Well done, I like it. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:23, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - I like that. A little different, so it caught my attention, and the links are great!  PrincessofLlyr royal court 01:58, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Support I don't just like it, I love it! --I dream of horses (T) @ 03:36, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Support – The quote works well! — MC10 ( T • C • GB •L)  17:31, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/June 10, 2010 (per consenus: 5 supports and no opposes) Secret Saturdays   ( talk to me )  22:50, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

=== → Anything that happens, happens. Anything that, in happening, causes something else to happen, causes something else to happen. Anything that, in happening, causes itself to happen again, happens again. It doesn't necessarily do it in chronological order, though. === These are all I've got for now. I'll put more up later. And remember: I claim all Douglas Adams related quotes. :) Hi878 (talk) 01:24, 26 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Support - great links! Smaug123 (talk) 16:54, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Support Creative! --I dream of horses (T) @ 03:12, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 10:31, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - with comment that it is slightly confusing. Or is that just me?  PrincessofLlyr royal court 20:13, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

✅ per consensus. Simply south (talk) 13:40, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

=== → Let's think the unthinkable, let's do the undoable, let's prepare to grapple with the ineffable itself, and see if we may not eff it after all. === One of the best quotes ever, in my opinion. And just so you all know, I claim nomination rights to every single Douglas Adams quote in existence, including ones from his books. :) Hi878 (talk) 01:24, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Support- I really like this one! Well done :) {&#123; Sonia &#124;talk&#124;simple}&#125; 05:00, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I finally realized that I have all of these great Douglas Adams quotes floating around in my head, and I finally realized that I don't have to wait for Towel Day next year to use some more. :) Hi878 (talk) 05:43, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong support Yes! Let's do it! --I dream of horses (T) @ 03:13, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - good links, very inspiring.  PrincessofLlyr royal court 03:19, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 10:33, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

✅ per WP:SNOW. Simply south (talk) 13:40, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

→ Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity - and I'm not sure about the former.
Albert Einstein. One of the great 'quote makers' of the 20th Century. Ginga123 (talk) 16:50, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Support I like it. I added the →. Hi878 (talk) 23:08, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Moved to Edit 1. Hi878 (talk) 18:58, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment: This quote is so true, but the set of links is not good. It would be better to point to Help, WikiProjects, Essays, Policies, Guidelines and etcetera, and not to Articles in the main space. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:14, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak support It's better than the first edit, but the tradition here is to link to wikiprojects. --I dream of horses (T) @ 17:55, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

in favour of edit 1. Simply south (talk) 13:40, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

→ Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity - and I'm not sure about the former.
Edit 1 –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:14, 18 May 2010 (UTC) In any case, what about using Go ahead, vandalize for "human stupidity"? –p joe f (talk • contribs) 11:57, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Support In my support above, I apparently forgot the whole part about having to do with Wikipedia. :) Hi878 (talk) 03:47, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Support. Wow, good links. ~ A H  1 (TCU) 23:32, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - Great quote and terrific links.  PrincessofLlyr royal court 19:35, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Support – Like the links and the quote. — MC10 ( T • C • GB •L)  02:01, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose Doesn't this motto violate don't insult the vandals? --I dream of horses (T) @ 17:55, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Do not insult the vandals is an essay and not a policy or a guideline, so IMHO there's nothing that can be violated here. Also, I think that we are not insulting one of them by personally assaulting him, but we are expressing the concept that the actions, vandalisms and disruptive editing, done by those BEEPing vandals and BEEPing trolls (and not the newcomers) are such a shame.
 * I think your suggestion makes it more clear. {&#123; Sonia &#124;talk&#124;simple}&#125; 03:47, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

✅ edit 1 per consensus. Simply south (talk) 13:40, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

=== → The stately-sailing swan Gives out his snowy plumage to the gale; And, arching proud his neck, with oary feet Rears forward fierce, and guards his osier isle, Protective of his young. === James Thomson (1700–1748), The Seasons: "Spring" (simple version using one wlink only.) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:53, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Very Weak Support - More poetry? Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:38, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong oppose both. The language is simply too complex. --I dream of horses (T) @ 03:33, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose In favor of Edit 1. Hi878 (talk) 04:35, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

==== → The stately-sailing swan Gives out his snowy plumage to the gale; And, arching proud his neck, with oary feet Rears forward fierce, and guards his osier isle, Protective of his young. ==== Edit 1 (a more complex version) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:53, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I don't like the linking in this version. Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:38, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Possibly the Strongest Support I Have Ever Given I like it, all of the links might be confusing, but they most certainly work. And I like the poetry quite a bit, too. Hi878 (talk) 04:35, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

(ALL VERSIONS) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:14, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south (talk) 22:47, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

=== → Like birds, whose beauties languish half concealed, Till, mounted on the wing, their glossy plumes Expanded, shine with azure, green, and gold; How blessings brighten as they take their flight! === Edward Young (1681–1765). The Complaint: or, Night-Thoughts on Life, Death, & Immortality, [ wikisource:The_Complaint:_or_Night-Thoughts_on_Life,_Death_%26_Immortality ] Night II: On Time, Death, and Friendship (1742–1745). –p joe f (talk • contribs) 06:40, 18 May 2010 (UTC) ✅ per WP:SNOW. --I dream of horses (T) @ 17:47, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Support Wow... I love it. Hi878 (talk) 18:38, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Support. Efficiently summarizes the cycle of Wikipedia articles. ~ A H  1 (TCU) 23:31, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Support – Good links used. — MC10 ( T • C • GB •L)  02:02, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Do not delete the slightly necessary if there is use out of it. One should not be separated from a group because of little necessity.
I made this motto myself. I thought to myself: Hey, necessity is the mother of invention, and that something very big could come out of something seeming to have little necessity. " Belugaboy Talk to Me! Milk the chicken!! " 23:45, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Support It seems kind of empty, becauuse there is only one link, but it still works. Some more links would be good. I removed the arrow; I'm pretty sure that it shouldn't be there. Hi878 (talk) 18:39, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I like edit one, I'm now supporting that. Hi878 (talk) 18:57, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment ~ It's a good phrase and I like it, but I think that it needs more links. A version with more links is below. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:49, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose in favor of Edit 1. — MC10 ( T • C • GB •L)  02:05, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
 * in favor of edit one. I dream of horses (T) @ 17:43, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

==== Do not delete the slightly necessary if there is use out of it. One should not be separated from a group because of little necessity. ==== Edit 1 with more links. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:49, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Support Nice job! I like the links. Hi878 (talk) 18:57, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment~Thank you for the links. I have only been on Wikipedia since December and although I have experience some things are still wonders to me. " Belugaboy Talk to Me! Milk the chicken!! " 16:31, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Reply ~ There is no problem, Belugaboy, you are more than welcome here on MOTD & WikipediA. I am not an Adopter and I never adopted a user (or not "officially"), but if you need help, just ask me on my talk page. And, thank you for contributing to our project. It is greatly appreciated. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:08, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Support. Promotes keeping articles that are notable enough to be kept. ~ A H  1 (TCU) 23:29, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - excellent. Smaug123 (talk) 16:58, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Support – Nice inclusionist links! — MC10 ( T • C • GB •L)  02:03, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅ per snowball clause --I dream of horses (T) @ 17:43, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

→ Gentlemen. You can't fight in here. This is the War Room!
President Merkin Muffley, the American Commander-in-Chief (portrayed by Peter Sellers). Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb (directed by Stanley Kubrick; written by Stanley Kubrick, Terry Southern, Peter George; starring Peter Sellers] George C. Scott, Slim Pickens, Sterling Hayden; music composed and directed by Laurie Johnson; cinematography by Gilbert Taylor; edited by Anthony Harvey; 1964). –p joe f (talk • contribs) 06:50, 25 May 2010 (UTC) ✅ per snowball clause. --I dream of horses (T) @ 17:29, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Support I really like the links! Hi878 (talk) 18:51, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - like this one. Airplaneman   ✈  22:27, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - Nice irony to that. Good links too.  PrincessofLlyr royal court 23:18, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Support – Good links used. — MC10 ( T • C • GB •L)  02:07, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

→ The best form of government is that which is most likely to prevent the greatest sum of evil.
Secret Saturdays  ( talk to me )  19:47, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Support Good quote, good links. Hi878 (talk) 04:15, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:10, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Support. I'd like it better with more elaborate and more links, but it's fine as is. ~ A H  1 (TCU) 23:25, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

✅ per consensus. Simply south (talk) 00:37, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

→ We can't stop here; this is bat country!
We can't stop editing, because Wikipedia is a work in prgress. Secret Saturdays  ( talk to me )  20:12, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Support Good links! Hi878 (talk) 04:15, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Support -  MMS  2013  16:35, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 06:50, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/June 2, 2010 (per consensus; 4 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:27, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

=== → Et in Arcadia ego ("Even in Arcadia I exist") === The title of some paintings all depicting the tomb of a person who lived in Arcadia, which is a region of Greece and also refers to a utopian vision of pastoralism and harmony with nature. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 06:32, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Support Good. Maybe a bit depressing, but still works. Hi878 (talk) 01:00, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - sad, but sweet. It's nice to know that our community is caring and takes the time to notice contributors and miss them when they're gone.  PrincessofLlyr royal court 18:56, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/June 1, 2010 (per consensus; 3 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:23, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

→ Keep your friends close, but your enemies closer.
Michael Corleone (portrayed by Al Pacino). The Godfather Part II (directed by Francis Ford Coppola; written by Mario Puzo and Francis Ford Coppola (screenplay), Mario Puzo (novel); starring Al Pacino, Robert Duvall, Diane Keaton, Robert De Niro, John Cazale; music composed by Nino Rota and Carmine Coppola; cinematography by Gordon Willis; edited by Barry Malkin, Richard Marks, and Peter Zinner; 1974). –p joe f (talk • contribs) 06:45, 4 May 2010 (UTC) (no consensus; 3 in support and 2 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:47, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
 * support- Good juxtaposition, I reckon. {&#123; Sonia &#124;talk&#124;simple}&#125; 06:53, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Support I guess, if your enemies are close to you, you can keep an eye on them. --I dream of horses (T) @ 03:37, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose I dislike the portrayal of vandals as "enemies" SpitfireTally-ho! 10:38, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose I agree with Spitfire. Hi878 (talk) 15:26, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment: "An enemy is someone who is hostile to, feels hatred towards, and opposes the interests of [Wikipedia]." [ enemy ] I think that this definition fits perfectly with a vandal. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:34, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I certainly do not feel "hatred" towards vandals. *Shrug* SpitfireTally-ho! 12:28, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - While you could debate the Wiki-philosophy of this one for a long time (WP:Stalking, anybody?), I like it because it's funny. It made me smile, and vandals are the enemies of WP, whether one "hates" them or not.  PrincessofLlyr royal court 02:45, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Conditional Support - Have we used this one before?  MMS  2013  16:37, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
 * YES! It has been used on July 18, 2009. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:17, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

(Withdrawn) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:17, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

→ True friends stab you in the front.
Heard this from a friend, what do you all think? I'm not to sure about the links; can anyone come up with a better one/ones? Hi878 (talk) 18:45, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
 * support- No, it's a great link and a good message. Like it. {&#123; Sonia &#124;talk&#124;simple}&#125; 19:55, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Alrighty then. :) Hi878 (talk) 03:40, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Support ~ I like it. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:37, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/May 30, 2010 (per consensus; 3 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:34, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

=== → What thing is love?—for (well I wot) love is a thing It is a prick, it is a sting, It is a pretty, pretty thing; It is a fire, it is a coal, Whose flame creeps in at every hole! === George Peele (1556–1596), "THE HUNTING OF CUPID" (1591) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 06:40, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
 * strong support I really like this one. {&#123; Sonia &#124;talk&#124;simple}&#125; 07:33, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Support I agree. Hi878 (talk) 18:37, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/May 29, 2010 (per consensus; 3 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:27, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

=== → Experto crede ("Believe one who has had experience") === "Trust me", "trust the expert", "believe one who has tried it", or "have faith in experience". –p joe f (talk • contribs) 06:40, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Support Good link! Hi878 (talk) 18:36, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - Encouragement of WP adoption is good and Latin always goes over well for a motto.  PrincessofLlyr royal court 02:47, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/May 28, 2010 (per consensus; 3 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:25, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

=== → We must learn to look at problems all-sidedly, seeing the reverse as well as the obverse side of things. In given conditions, a bad thing can lead to good results and a good thing to bad results. === Mao Zedong (1893–1976), 'On the Correct Handling of Contradictions Among the People, (February 27, 1957) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 06:40, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
 * support- This is very well linked. {&#123; Sonia &#124;talk&#124;simple}&#125; 07:33, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Support Perfect links. Hi878 (talk) 18:36, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/May 27, 2010 (per consensus; 3 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:23, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

→ Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts.
I included this quote in the graduation speech draft I typed up. -- Last  Lived  23:49, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Moved from specials section. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 06:51, 18 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Strong oppose - not related to Wikipedia, and no specific date provided for putting up this motto.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 03:02, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak support Somehow reflecting Wikipedia's editing. --Extra999 (Contact me + contribs) 12:35, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment: I've formatted the motto the right way. But I still oppose it.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 13:51, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

(in favour of Edit 2) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:01, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

→ Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts.
Edit 1 (moved from specials section) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 06:49, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Conditional Support First, links would be nice. Second, a date would be nice, since it is in the "Specials" section. It would be good for the "In Review" section, if nobody has a day for it. Hi878 (talk) 22:44, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
 * (moved from specials section) I have linked it. Another alternative would be WP:RECALL and WP:Standard offer, but I don't like so much the idea of linking adminship to success as such. Anyone think of a link for the last part? {&#123; Sonia &#124;talk&#124;simple}&#125; 10:49, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment I have an idea. Hi878 (talk) 23:18, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak Support  MMS  2013  00:14, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

(in favour of Edit 2) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:01, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

→ Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts.
Edit 2 Changed first link, added third. Third isn't perfect, but it's better than nothing. Hi878 (talk) 23:18, 16 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Supprot ~ Good Linking! –p joe f (talk • contribs) 06:49, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
 * support- It's a decent improvement on mine, although someone may want to think of something a little less oft-used than wp:bold. {&#123; Sonia &#124;talk&#124;simple}&#125; 07:33, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/May 26, 2010 (per consensus; 3 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:01, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

→ You might as well jump.
Just a quote which seemed to fit. strdst_grl (call me Stardust)  09:38, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Support I like it. Hi878 (talk) 23:15, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 06:52, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/May 24, 2010 (per consensus; 3 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:58, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

→ Today is the day, if I say so.
It the main line from one of my favorite Akeboshi songs Tall Boy. "Today is the day, if I say so." then variations: "Today is the day, if I try so." and "Today is the day, if I do so." I just thought it would make a good motto here, since often all it takes for me to do some serious work on an article is "Ok, today I'm going to do this!".  Kraftlos  (Talk | Contrib) 04:59, 16 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:26, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Support Looks good to me. Hi878 (talk) 18:34, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/May 23, 2010 (per consensus; 3 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:56, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

When the world gives you lemons, make apple juice, sit back, relax, and let the world wonder how you did it.
Just a fun little quote I found while surfing the interwebs. --Andreasr2d2 (talk) 22:52, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Conditional Support If nobody likes my idea below. Hi878 (talk) 23:14, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong Oppose ~ it needs links. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 06:59, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

(in favour of Edit 1) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:53, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

When the world gives you lemons, make apple juice, sit back, relax, and let the world wonder how you did it.
Edit One Anyone like it? Hi878 (talk) 23:14, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Support + Suggestion: What about using WP:DEV for "make apple juice" and eventually WP:FAC for "let the world wonder how you did it"? –p joe f (talk • contribs) 06:59, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
 * support pjoef's version. {&#123; Sonia &#124;talk&#124;simple}&#125; 07:33, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/May 22, 2010 (per consensus; 3 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:53, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

===→ I dare do all that may become a man; Who dares do more is none.=== I'm thinking that the second link could also be WP:POINT or WP:IAR?. Opinions? {&#123; Sonia &#124;talk&#124;simple}&#125; 05:24, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak Support It works, but it took me a minute to figure out what it meant. :) I'm not awake yet, it seems. Hi878 (talk) 23:07, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Support!!! –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:17, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/May 21, 2010 (per consensus; 3 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:52, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Life is like a game. It depends on how you play it.
Simply south (talk)
 * Support I like thinking of Wikipedia as our lives. :) Hi878 (talk) 04:23, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:17, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/May 20, 2010 (per consensus; 3 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:50, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Life is like a game. It depends on how you play it.
Another attempt at this phrase, it may be bland but i think it works. Simply south (talk) 22:56, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose I like the first. Hi878 (talk) 04:23, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

(in favour of the original) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:50, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Fight fire with fire
or Fight fire with fire Simply south (talk) 12:01, 18 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Support both versions –p joe f (talk • contribs) 06:45, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose both versions - I don't think "fight fire with fire" is an appropriate sentiment for fighting vandalism. Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:42, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong oppose both versions. --I dream of horses (T) @ 03:13, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose all I like the idea, but not the wording. Makes it sound like any form of countering vandalism is equal to the vandalism. Hi878 (talk) 04:35, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Fight fire with fire
Edit 1 ~ Just formally nominating the already nominated. --I dream of horses (T) @ 03:13, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Fight fire with fire
Edit 2 ~ Let's try this one out. RBI can be like firerain on the vandals. --I dream of horses (T) @ 03:13, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

ALL VERSIONS (no consensus) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:00, 3 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Support for Edit 2 –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:00, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - As per my objections for the other two versions, "fight fire with fire" is a totally innapropriate metaphor for fighting vandalism. Nutiketaiel (talk) 16:18, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose all three See my above comment. Hi878 (talk) 18:30, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment: Why? Fire can be a bad thing when it burns a house, but also a very good thing when it heats your house in the winter or for cooking and etcetera. In both cases, it's fire. Same for firearms. Shooting is not a good thing to do, but if it saves someone's life.... –p joe f (talk • contribs) 06:52, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Don't fight fire with fire!
Edit 3 –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:20, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Strongest Possible Support How could I not support this? I would have to contradict myself. :) And it's a bit hard to argue with the link. Hi878 (talk) 04:25, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

(withdrawn EDIT 3 ~ it has been used before in October 2009) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:41, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

ALL VERSIONS (no consensus) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:42, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Love and boldness make the Wikipedia-sphere go round.
~ A H  1 (TCU) 20:40, 15 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Oppose - "Wikipedia-shpere"? We're kidding, right?  Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:12, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - funny, but too strange.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 11:34, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment. "Wikipedia-sphere" is supposed to be a substitute for the word "world", as the Wikipedia logo is a sphere and looks like a globe. ~ A H  1 (TCU) 15:30, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Support I like it and that puzzle globe. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 06:52, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose- a statement which is oft-used, but stated better. {&#123; Sonia &#124;talk&#124;simple}&#125; 08:26, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose Um...what? --I dream of horses (T) @ 03:09, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Support I like it, I think the last links are funny. Hi878 (talk) 04:35, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

(in favour of Edit 1) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:37, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Love and boldness helps our community achieve its' goals.
Edit 1 ~ Is this at least a little better? --I dream of horses (T) @ 03:09, 3 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Oppose In favor of the original suggestion. Hi878 (talk) 04:35, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

ALL VERSIONS (no consensus) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:54, 3 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Oppose - I suppose it manages to be a little better because it doesn't reference a "wikipedia-sphere," but it's still far too corny for words. Nutiketaiel (talk) 16:19, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak support- better than the other, for sure. I like the idea of linking to the strategy wiki, but there probably is a better way of doing it. {&#123; Sonia &#124;talk&#124;simple}&#125; 06:52, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Support ~ both versions. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 06:56, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

✅ (EDIT 1) for Motto of the day/May 19, 2010 (per EMERGENCY STATUS; We don't have a motto approved for tomorrow!!! 3 in support and 2 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:37, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

=== A journey of a thousand miles starts with a single step, but if you don't take the first step, you'll spend the rest of your life stuck on one foot. === ~ A H  1 (TCU) 20:40, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong Oppose - Too similiar to the one we just rejected for having used previously. Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:13, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I'm ok with the motto itself as it is considerably different from the original, but I don't like the stubs-are-bad message it brings.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 11:33, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong oppose I don't like the "stubs are bad" idea, either. Let me see what I can come up with. --I dream of horses (T) @ 03:05, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose In favor of Edit 1. Hi878 (talk) 04:35, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

A journey of a thousand miles starts with a single step.
Edit 1 ~ Is this too similar to the one previously used? --I dream of horses (T) @ 03:05, 3 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Support I think the links are perfect, those are what I would have chosen, in fact. Hi878 (talk) 04:35, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

ALL VERSIONS (no consensus) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:54, 3 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Strong Oppose - Once again, we have used one that is far too similiar to this (and, indeed, is a more correct form of the quotation) in the past, and we shouldn't be repeating mottos. Nutiketaiel (talk) 16:20, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

ALL VERSIONS (no consensus) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:30, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

→ Taking water from a well with a bamboo basket results in an empty one.
Taking water from a well sounds awkward, but I can't think of anything else to replace it, so feel free to be bold and change it.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 14:24, 15 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Oppose - the second link is extreme. Simply south (talk) 17:47, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - The first link doesn't really make sense to me. Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:17, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak support Those who disrupt wikipedia to prove a point will be eventually, or should be eventually banned. Sounds quite profoundly political, and yes, perhaps a bit extreme, but I like the idea. --I dream of horses (T) @ 03:02, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose Took me a minute to figure out what it meant, and I think the second link might be a bit much. Hi878 (talk) 04:35, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

(no consensus; 2 in support and 3 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:19, 3 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Support ~ it's a bit extreme, you need a minute to understand it but imho it makes you think. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:19, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

(no consensus; 3 in support and 3 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:28, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

→ One love, one heart, let's get together and feel alright.
"One Love"; The Wailing Wailers (1965); Exodus; (1977). The tank is empty, the "volume" of mottos is close to ZERO, today is the 29th anniversary of the death of Bob Marley, and I 'm adding added some of his quotes taken from some of his songs. I will add some (hope) good links very soon. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:55, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Support Perfect link! Hi878 (talk) 01:00, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
 * support- It's...not fantastic, but it's fine. {&#123; Sonia &#124;talk&#124;simple}&#125; 10:16, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Important Note: This quote has been used before (2009-07-14), but with a different set of links. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:01, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

(withdrawn ~ it has been used before) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:21, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

===→ There are only two ways to live your life. Either everything is a miracle or nothing is a miracle.=== ~ A H  1 (TCU) 01:10, 13 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 06:54, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - doesn't make a lot of sense IMHO. How can everything be an FA? And who says stubs must be deleted? :(  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 10:26, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong Oppose - This motto creates a false dichotomy. It implies that either every article needs to featured or every article needs to be deleted.  It is completely unacceptable.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:08, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment. I was trying to compare inclusionism and deletionism, but by exaggerating them. Taking inclusionism to the extreme would be trying to make a featured article out of everything and extreme deletionism would try to delete the undetailed stubs etc. ~ A H  1 (TCU) 02:23, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Reply - deletionism? Maybe, but the inclusionism = FA for everyone doesn't seem to make much sense.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 09:30, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

(no consensus) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:30, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong oppose Stubs should not be deleted. Really, I don't see how this motto can go through without it being insulting to the half which believes nothing is a miracle. --I dream of horses (T) @ 03:46, 3 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Support I think the links are good. One problem, though. What about the Association of Wikipedians Who Dislike Making Broad Judgments About the Worthiness of a General Category of Article, and Who Are in Favor of the Deletion of Some Particularly Bad Articles, but That Doesn't Mean They Are Deletionists? :) Hi878 (talk) 04:35, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

→ There are only two ways to live your life. Either everything is a miracle or nothing is a miracle.
Edit 1 with WP:DEV, FAs & Stubs. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:51, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose I like the first. Hi878 (talk) 01:00, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

==== → There are only two ways to live your life. Either everything is a miracle or nothing is a miracle. ==== Edit 2 with Inclusionism & Deletionism. Obviously, this version doesn't fit cleanly with the quote because it is not true that there are only two ways. There are also Exclusionism, Delusionism, and Precisionism. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:51, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose I like the first. Hi878 (talk) 01:00, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

==== → There are only two ways to live your life. Either everything is a miracle or nothing is a miracle. ==== Edit 3 about Red links. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:51, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose I like the first. Hi878 (talk) 01:00, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

all - no consensus. Simply south (talk) 11:26, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

=== → Blessings star forth forever; but a curse Is like a cloud--it passes. === Philip James Bailey (1816–1902), Festus: "Hades" (1839) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:08, 6 April 2010 (UTC) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:10, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak oppose - did someone say FCs are forever? Besides FC and vandalism are unrelated.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 10:12, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I don't like the implication of permanence in featured content. Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:37, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Note ~ It links to the portal, and we realy hope it will star forever. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:10, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Still, weak oppose because I still think it's slightly misleading. {&#123; Sonia &#124;talk&#124;simple}&#125; 08:19, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I would hope a featured status would be up for discussion. --I dream of horses (T) @ 03:41, 3 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Oppose per my above comment. --I dream of horses (T) @ 03:41, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Support I think the links work, the indication of permanence might not quite fit, but... I still think it's good. Hi878 (talk) 04:35, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

==== → Blessings star forth forever; but a curse Is like a cloud--it passes. ==== Edit 1 ~ Removed link to featured content portal per above discussion. --I dream of horses (T) @ 03:41, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose I still like the other one... Hi878 (talk) 04:44, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - It doesn't make sense without some kind of link in that first spot. Nutiketaiel (talk) 16:23, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment: I agree with Nutiketaiel. Please, see Edit 2 below. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:02, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose ~ I do not like this version. The first part without links makes it incomplete and unfinished. IMHO, we need to sort out some good links for the first part or to write the last part only: "A curse is...". –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:20, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

→ A curse is like a cloud--it passes.
Edit 2 (Shortened Version) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:02, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose Still like the first one... Hi878 (talk) 01:00, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

all per consensus. Simply south (talk) 11:26, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

→ We can learn what we did not know.
Mao Zedong (1893–1976), Report to the 2nd Plenary Session of the 7th Central Committee of the Communist Party of China (March 5, 1949) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 06:32, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Support Tough to argue with that one. Hi878 (talk) 01:00, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Support- says it all, doesn't it?

✅ for Motto of the day/May 18, 2010 (per consensus; 3 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 10:25, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

→ It's alive! It's alive!
Henry Frankenstein (portrayed by Colin Clive). Frankenstein (directed by James Whale; written by Mary Shelley (novel), Peggy Webling (play), John L. Balderston (adaptation), Francis Edward Faragoh, Garrett Fort, Robert Florey, and John Russell (screenplay); starring Colin Clive, Mae Clarke, John Boles, Boris Karloff; music composed and directed by Bernhard Kaun; cinematography by Arthur Edeson; edited by Clarence Kolster and Maurice Pivar; 1931). –p joe f (talk • contribs) 06:32, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Support I like it! The link works, and I think it's funny. Hi878 (talk) 01:01, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
 * lol support {&#123; Sonia &#124;talk&#124;simple}&#125; 10:16, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - great idea. Simply south (talk) 09:17, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/May 17, 2010 (per consensus; 4 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 10:23, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

→ So tell me, Eddie, is that a rabbit in your pocket, or are you just happy to see me?
Dolores portrayed by Joanna Cassidy in Who Framed Roger Rabbit a 1988 fantasy comedy film directed by Robert Zemeckis, animated by Richard Williams, produced by Steven Spielberg, Frank Marshall, and Robert Watts, written by Jeffrey Price, Peter S. Seaman, and Gary K. Wolf, starring Bob Hoskins, Charles Fleischer, Christopher Lloyd, Kathleen Turner, Joanna Cassidy, music composed by Alan Silvestri, cinematography by Dean Cundey. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:53, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak Oppose - I don't think the second link fits. Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:41, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose All right, I think I may have a better idea, I'll let you guys decide. --I dream of horses (T) @ 03:29, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

(in favour of Edit 2) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:12, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

→ So tell me, Eddie, is that a rabbit in your pocket, or are you just happy to see me?
Edit 1 ~ The WP:COMMUNITY link refers to the "trick up our sleeve", which is the community surrounding Wikipedia. And of course, you are always (or, one hopes, almost always) happy to see your friends. --I dream of horses (T) @ 03:29, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Support ~ better version and interesting link. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:55, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

(in favour of Edit 2) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:12, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

→ So tell me, Eddie, is that a rabbit in your pocket, or are you just happy to see me?
Edit 2 ~ Or we could try this. Hi878 (talk) 04:35, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak support I like my version better. Perhaps I'm biased. --I dream of horses (T) @ 17:45, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
 * No, that's just crazy. :) Hi878 (talk) 04:02, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:12, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/May 16, 2010 (per consensus and in EMRGENCY STATUS; 3 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:12, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

→ Emancipate yourself from mental slavery, none but ourselves can free our mind.
"Redemption Song"; Uprising (1979). –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:55, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Support I like it. Hi878 (talk) 01:00, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Support- links to two interesting and less popular policies. {&#123; Sonia &#124;talk&#124;simple}&#125; 10:16, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/May 14, 2010 (EMERGENCY STATUS —there is not an approved motto for tomorrow 2010-05-14— and per consensus; 3 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:05, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

One who cannot remember history is condemned to repeat it
This is a fairly well-known quote, and I figure that it could be applicable to Wikipedia with regards to edit wars and the 3 Revert Rule. Ojay123 (Talk&bull;E-Mail&bull;Contribs&bull;Sandbox)(Respond on my talk page! 23:25, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Support I think the links work. Definitely worth using. Hi878 (talk) 04:03, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Support ~ it's okay. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 06:38, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/May 13, 2010 (per Current Emergency Status; 3 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:44, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

=== → When the child was a child, it didn’t know that it was a child, everything was soulful, and all souls were one. === Peter Handke (6 December 1942), Song of Childhood, Der Himmel über Berlin (1987) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 06:45, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Support- I like it, but maybe better second link? {&#123; Sonia &#124;talk&#124;simple}&#125; 06:50, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Suggestion: What about using Newbie Mission or Newbie tests as an alternative to WP:COMMUNITY for "it didn’t know that it was a child"? I think that Newbie best fits this part, but I didn't wanted to repeat it twice. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:30, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Eh... both make sufficient sense, but are really restatements. how's wp:acm or wp:Newcomers aren't all clueless? Or just linking wp:Newbie to the whole first half? {&#123; Sonia &#124;talk&#124;simple}&#125; 08:55, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I'll boldly nominate all of your suggestions, to speed up conversation and consensus. Hopefully, you guys don't mind. (And I support all but the original, which I very weakly oppose on due to the second link.)--I dream of horses (T) @  03:34, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose in favor of any of the options below.

(in favour of Edit 3) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:38, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

==== → When the child was a child, it didn’t know that it was a child, everything was soulful, and all souls were one. ==== 'Edit 1 ~ Per Pjoef. --I dream of horses (T) @ 03:34, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Support This link works must better. Hi878 (talk) 15:30, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

(in favour of Edit 3) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:38, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

====→ When the child was a child, it didn’t know that it was a child, everything was soulful, and all souls were one.==== Edit 2 ~ Per Pjoef. --I dream of horses (T) @ 03:34, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Support And so does this. Hi878 (talk) 15:30, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

(in favour of Edit 3) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:38, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

====→ When the child was a child, it didn’t know that it was a child, everything was soulful, and all souls were one.==== Edit 3 ~ Per Sonia. --I dream of horses (T) @ 03:34, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Support And this. Hi878 (talk) 15:30, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - Of the way too many options, this is the best. Newcomers aren't all clueless fits best with the "it didn't know that it was a child" phrase, in my opinion.  Though, in truth, it's not a very good essay.  Well, the spirit of it fits, at least.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:17, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Support (and my other suggestion was WP:ACM but apparently no caps doesn't work; it doesn't fit as well anyway) {&#123; Sonia &#124;talk&#124;simple}&#125; 09:18, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Support ~ best version! –p joe f (talk • contribs) 06:39, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/May 12, 2010 (per consensus) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:38, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

→ When the child was a child, it didn’t know that it was a child, everything was soulful, and all souls were one.
Edit 4 ~ Per Sonia. --I dream of horses (T) @ 03:34, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Support And this. Any one of these four will work, just not the first one. Hi878 (talk) 15:30, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

(in favour of Edit 3) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:38, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

→ In this world, there must be a Bole before there can be a horse who can run a thousand miles.
Not sure if I'm romanising 伯樂 correctly. SS, please correct it if I made a mistake.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 13:07, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
 * comment- The romanising is okay, but I'm not sure how many people are going to understand the quote. Plus, does every admin need coaching? SS  ✞(Kay) 07:48, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Question - What the hell is a Bole? Bole is just a disambiguation page, so Wikipedia (despite being the source of all knowledge) cannot help me.  Are you referring to the airport, the town in Ghana, the town in China, the town in England, the hill, the color, or the tree trunk?  I ask because none of those things really make sense.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:24, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Reply - he's a guy who trains horses and only has an article on the Chinese Wikipedia. See zh:伯樂 (you can use a web translator for that.)  Kayau  Voting   IS   evil 12:04, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak Oppose - Ah, thank you for the explanation. I am opposing because I think the motto won't make sense to English speakers (such as yours truly), especially given the lack of an English Wikipedia article on the name in question.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:22, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose This is too difficult to understand. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:16, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

(no consensus; 1 in support and 2 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:46, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose per Nuti. Plus, admin coaching isn't required to be an admin. --I dream of horses (T) @ 03:47, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Strongest Possible Oppose I would recommend having the subject be something that would make sense to English-speakers, nobody will understand this. Hi878 (talk) 04:35, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

(no consensus) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:04, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

=== → Alenda lux ubi orta libertas ("Let learning be cherished where liberty has arisen.") === The motto of Davidson College. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 06:45, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong support It gives the intent of Wikipedia. --I dream of horses (T) @ 03:35, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Support Per above. Hi878 (talk) 15:26, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong Support - An excellent statement of Wikipedian ideals. Nutiketaiel (talk) 14:20, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/May 11, 2010 (per consensus; 4 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 06:35, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

=== → Plus est en vous (There is more within you) === This was my school motto, thought it was quite fitting for editors on wiki who find it hard to keep going! Rudy 07:51, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong oppose - the following must be done in order to make it acceptable:
 * Link it so it's related to Wikipedia.
 * Put up an arrow link to your school.
 * Insert a line break between the French and the English.

By the way, this site is called Wikipedia, not wiki. A wiki is any website using wiki software; there are thousands of them. Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 12:04, 3 April 2010 (UTC) (There is more within you) '"? (Community portal could be an alternative choice.) –p joe f (talk'' • contribs) 07:38, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Suggestion: "'''→ Plus est en vous
 * Comment - I'm no French professional, but I don't understand what the et is doing there. Did you mean to type est?  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 07:44, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Reply- cursory google search (my French is really bad) says that it should be est indeed. Good spotting. I've been bold and changed it. SS  ✞(Kay) 07:59, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - No clear relevance to Wikipedia. Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:57, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

(in favour of Edit 3) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:07, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

==== → Plus est en vous (There is more within you) ==== Edit 1 - per pjoef -  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 10:06, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak oppose - I can't find the connexion.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 10:06, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - The link doesn't make sense. Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:57, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

(in favour of Edit 3) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:07, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

==== → Plus est en vous (There is more within you) ==== Edit 2, suggestion. ~ A H  1 (TCU) 20:32, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak oppose - for two reasons: First, someone who doesn't know French will never guess that plus means more and en means in, and linking en to wikiprojects doesn't make any sense anyway. (If the quote is il y a plus en vous then probably this linking will make more sense, but since a) that's probably bad grammar and 2) it isn't anyway, I'm opposing this.)  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 01:41, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Reply: The word "plus" derives form Latin, it is in common use in English, and not only in English speaking countries (for example: "C++") IMHO there is no problem with it. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:11, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - The links don't match with the words they're connected to at all. Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:26, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

(in favour of Edit 3) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:07, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

ALL VERSIONS –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:01, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose all due to linking, but ooo, ooo, I have an idea! --I dream of horses (T) @ 03:38, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose all but below None of the links seem to work. Hi878 (talk) 04:35, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

==== → Plus est en vous (There is more within you) ==== Edit 3 ~ How about this version? There is more within you. Just be bold about it. --I dream of horses (T) @ 03:38, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Support I like it! Hi878 (talk) 04:35, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - This is certainly an improvement over the original suggestions. A little blah, I suppose, but not every motto needs to knock 'em out of the park.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 16:24, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Support this version. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 06:51, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/May 10, 2010 (per consensus; 4 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:07, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

→ Esto perpetua ("Let it be perpetual")
State motto of Idaho. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:53, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak Support - I don't think the link is the best, but it is passable. Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:40, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - it's not a bad link. Smaug123 (talk) 17:26, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak oppose Hate to be a literal pessimist, but everything fails and falls apart eventually. --I dream of horses (T) @ 03:51, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Reply - Oh, don't be a wet blanket. It's about an ideal.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 16:26, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Support I think the link is perfect. Hi878 (talk) 04:35, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/May 9, 2010 (per consensus; 4 in support and 1 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:00, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Will wonders never cease!
 Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 11:17, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Question - How does the link relate to the motto? I don't see the connection.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:36, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Reply - I was being humourous. As Wikipedia's being an encyclopaedia may seem common sense, but many editors, esp. newbies, fail to remember that, when they're told that Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, they'd probably say, sarcastically, 'will wonders never cease!'  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 03:15, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - Not very humorous, and it doesn't make a whole lot of sense anyway. Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:34, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - Not much of a meaning. WVRMAD • Talk  • Guestbook   18:40, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

–p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:12, 27 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:12, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - I like it! Smaug123 (talk) 17:25, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - However, I would be more fond of it if piped to Special:RandomPage. – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 03:36, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Support Wikipedia is a wonder! --I dream of horses (T) @ 03:43, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Support Perfect! I love the link idea! Hi878 (talk) 04:35, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

✅ ORIGINAL for Motto of the day/May 8, 2010 (per consensus; 6 in support and 1 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:24, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Will wonders never cease!
Per Juliancolton. --I dream of horses (T) @ 03:43, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose The other is better. Hi878 (talk) 04:35, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

(in favour of the original) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:24, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

No news is good news!
—Preceding unsigned comment added by mono (talk • contribs)
 * Weak Support - The linking is a little odd, considering the original meaning of the quote, but there's nothing wrong with plugging our sister project. Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:23, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:53, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - love the links! Smaug123 (talk) 17:27, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Support- I like it, a creative new take. Wikinews needs new contributors, in any case. {&#123; Sonia &#124;talk&#124;simple}&#125; 08:24, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - Discourages inappropriate content on enwiki and points people to enwikinews. Nice! – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 03:37, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/May 7, 2010 (per WP:SNOW) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:18, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

→ The devil rides on a fiddlestick.
 Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 10:51, 2 April 2010 (UTC) monstrous Watch, is at the doore
 * Question - I don't get it. What does it mean?  Is this a quote, or a Kayau original?  Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:17, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Reply - It's kind of like a proverb or something; I remember seeing it somewhere. It means that evil is just part of your imagination. So don't call someone a troll when s/he probably isn't.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 12:19, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - Sorry, but without your explanation the meaning would be unclear to a reader. Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:58, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Very Weak Oppose - While your explanation makes it clear what you're aiming for, I think it would be nearly impossible to understand without it.  MMS  2013  17:58, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak support I added the arrow link. It has been used many times. The arrow link points to Shakespeare's Henry IV, Part 1, Part II, Scene IV (1958): Bard. O, my Lord, my Lord, the Sherife, with a most

Falst. Out you Rogue, play out the Play: I haue much to say in the behalfe of that Falstaffe.

Hostesse. O, my Lord, my Lord

Falst. Heigh, heigh, the Deuill rides vpon a Fiddlesticke: what's the matter?
 * In few words and paraphrasing the title of another comedy/play by Shakespeare... "It is much ado about nothing!" –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:11, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

(no consensus) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:22, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - per Nutiketaiel, you shouldn't need to have a motto explained to you. WVRMAD • Talk  • Guestbook   18:20, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose Somebody explain to me how a fiddlestick relates to being calm. I can't help but envision a whip or switch. No, honestly. --I dream of horses (T) @ 03:18, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Suppose Made sense to me... Hi878 (talk) 04:35, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

(no consensus; 4 in support and 4 opposed or so) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:14, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

=== → Alea iacta est ("The die has been cast") === Also, "alea jacta est" or "iacta alea est" (a point of no return) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 06:45, 20 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Oppose - I don't think the link is the most appropriate, especially as it implies that proposed ArbCom decisions and closed cases can never be revisited or altered. Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:21, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong oppose Nothing on Wikipedia is permanent. The die is always rolling. --I dream of horses (T) @ 03:16, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose Same as Nutiketaiel. Hi878 (talk) 04:35, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

(no consensus; 1 in support and 3 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:10, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

→ (Ladies and Gentlemen), My mother thanks you. My father thanks you. My sister thanks you. And I thank you.
George M. Cohan portrayed by James Cagney. Yankee Doodle Dandy directed by Michael Curtiz; written by Robert Buckner, Edmund Joseph, Julius J. Epstein, and Philip G. Epstein; starring James Cagney, Joan Leslie, Walter Huston, Richard Whorf; music composed by Ray Heindorf, Heinz Roemheld, George M. Cohan; cinematography by James Wong Howe; 1942. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 06:45, 20 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Weak Support - A little bland, but whatever works. Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:23, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Support If it works, it works! --I dream of horses (T) @ 03:15, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Weakest possible support Well, it works, but it isn't all that exciting... I would say use it if we run out of ideas. Hi878 (talk) 04:35, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak oppose- the link befuddles me. Maybe it's my browser, but seriously, linking to a table of templates? {&#123; Sonia &#124;talk&#124;simple}&#125; 06:51, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/May 6, 2010 (per consensus and emergency status; 4-- in support and 1 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:08, 3 May 2010 (UTC)