Wikipedia:Motto of the day/Nominations/Archive 30

If looks could kill...
Btw, where did this come from? Simply south (talk) 00:31, 17 July 2010 (UTC) ✅ per consenus; with four supports, one neutral and one oppose. Secret Saturdays  ( talk to me )  05:00, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Neutral Oppose - Doesn't make sense. No idea where, but good idea. I just don't like the links, maybe CVU?  — m o n o    01:35, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - I tihnk it works. Took me a minute to get the meaning, though. :)  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 03:10, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Neutral don't understand it either.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 10:42, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - Actually, this one makes sense to me. Seems a bit violent, but I heard the phrase used in jest mostly, so maybe we wouldn't actually kill the vandals.  PrincessofLlyr royal court 00:15, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support ~ If Looks Could Kill is a 1991 film, soundtrack and song, but there is a line from 1986 film, Down by Law, where Roberto says: "If looks could kill, I am a-dead now". It's not so easy to reply to this question. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:02, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

→ Give a little bit of your time to me
OK it's lame, I know, but it's a cool song and everyone can give a little bit of their time to Wikipedia... --khfan93 (t) (c) 03:32, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak support How about WP:DUSTY or CAT:WIKIFY, to push some less-viewed pages? so  nia ♫♪ 13:26, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Conditional weak support (edit 1).  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 14:29, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Conditional Support Edit 1 is a tad better.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 05:02, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - I like both versions. WVRMAD • Talk  • Guestbook   12:02, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

→ Give a little bit of your time to me
Edit 1 - Last link replaced with Sonia's; the other two I think fit, so I put them there.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 14:29, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment - Kayau! You seem to have a problem making subsections. I seem to always be fixing that for you.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 05:01, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Reply - yeah, I've been making that mistake over and over since I joined. :P Thanks for fixing it for me.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 14:46, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - I like the message. Good job.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 05:02, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - See my above comment. WVRMAD • Talk  • Guestbook   12:03, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - both are good, but this one slightly more so.  PrincessofLlyr royal court 19:08, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:05, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Original and ✅ Edit 1 Per consensus.-- LAA Fan  19:48, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

===→ The mind is its own place and in itself, can make a Heaven of Hell, a Hell of Heaven.=== ~ A H  1 (TCU) 00:22, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - This shows even good intentions can somehow turn bad and vice versa. Derild  49  21  ☼  01:04, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - Good message.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 04:50, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support ~ well done! –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:14, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

✅ Per consensus.-- LAA Fan  19:46, 29 July 2010 (UTC) === → Oh, swiftly glides the bonnie boat, Just parted from the shore, And to the fisher's chorus-note, Soft moves the dipping oar! === Joanna Baillie (1762–1851), "Oh, Swiftly glides the Bonnie Boat" (1815) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:16, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment weird. It was approved before, but I can't search it in the schedule. Anyone got any idea of what is going on?  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 07:23, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
 * OH /o\ BEEP OFF!!! SORRY!!! And, what's going on? –p joe f (talk • contribs) 11:05, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

(USED BEFORE; SORRY!) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 11:05, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

One step at a time.
I'm not sure where this is from, but I thought I'd give it a try! Derild 49  21  ☼  14:22, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong oppose.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 14:37, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong Oppose - Used before.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 23:46, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak oppose - Reused before, but not too recently.  — m o n o    04:18, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak support - Length of time between mottoes doesn't negate the fact that we're repeating them. However, if we do hit a dearth of mottoes in the future (which, in all likelihood, may happen), we should have this one saved up. It's not half bad, either. &mdash; La Pianista  ♫ ♪ 04:27, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak Support because "One step at a time, there's no need to rush" has been used on October 10, 2008, and "One step at a time, who could suppose what together we'll find?" on October 13, 2008. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:19, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

- no consenus, with 3 supports and three opposes. Secret Saturdays  ( talk to me )  18:03, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong Oppose - Been used before.  Simon KSK  18:07, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Per WP:SNOW-- LAA Fan  18:37, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

===→ Every Generation Has A Legend. Every Journey Has A First Step. Every Saga Has A Beginning.=== Found this on Wikiquote. Secret Saturdays  ( talk to me )  01:38, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
 * weak support because the first link is strange. BTW WQ is not CamelCase.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 01:41, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
 * comment um, by that I mean it's Wikiquote, not WikiQuote or Wiki Quote. WikiQuote has a red underline in chrome btw.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 01:47, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh. I just fixed it. Secret Saturdays   ( talk to me )  01:48, 25 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Oppose - Every article isn't an FA, and every userpage doesn't have a tutorial. I'll try to make a better one.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 01:52, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
 * reply: It's not saying that every article is FA, it means that in every bunch of articles, there is at least one FA. Secret Saturdays   ( talk to me )  01:59, 25 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Weak oppose - I understand what you mean by linking to FA, out of every generation (group of articles) one or two might become FAs, but I think its meaning is a bit unclear. I also think that FA is used way to much by MOTD so I prefer Edit 1. WVRMAD • Talk  • Guestbook   17:34, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

==== → Every Generation Has A Legend. Every Journey Has A First Step. Every Saga Has A Beginning. ==== Is this better? Hi 8 7 8  (Come shout at me!) 01:52, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - great links, sort of an epic feel. This one is better than the original.  PrincessofLlyr royal court 14:28, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - I prefer this over the original. WVRMAD • Talk  • Guestbook   17:35, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support + note: WP:USER points to User pages, while WP:USERS points to Wikipedians. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:27, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support per above. Secret Saturdays   ( talk to me )  18:04, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Original and ✅ Edit 1 per consensus.-- LAA Fan  18:34, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

→ Do not be wise in your own eyes.
~ A H  1 (TCU) 00:22, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support. Simple, logical, and a good reminder. --khfan93 (t) (c) 03:32, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Conditional Support In favor of Edit 1.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 04:55, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support over edit #1 and #2.-- Forty two  Thanks for all the fish! 01:28, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - the best one, without adding legs to snakes.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 01:42, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support ~ This is a classic! –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:13, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

→ Do not be wise in your own eyes; fear the Lord, shun evil.
Edit 1. ~ A H  1 (TCU) 00:22, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - Jimbo isn't really own "lord"... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Derild4921 (talk • contribs)
 * Support Hah! Funny! I like it!  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 04:55, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose we should not fear Jimbo.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 01:42, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

→ Do not be wise in your own eyes; fear the Lord, shun evil.
Edit 2. ~ A H  1 (TCU) 00:22, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I don't like the "fear" link.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 04:55, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose, same reason as above.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 01:42, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

✅ Original and Edits 1 and 2 per consensus.-- LAA  Fan  18:32, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

→ We are all apprentices in a craft where no one ever becomes a master.
Picked off WQ - no idea where it comes from.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 14:26, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support. Equality! ~ A H  1 (TCU) 14:30, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - Hemingway is always a good choice. :) Good message.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 05:06, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - Really great!  PrincessofLlyr royal court 17:22, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support Secret Saturdays   ( talk to me )  22:01, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - WVRMAD • Talk  • Guestbook   11:53, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong Support ~ This is simply adorable!!! –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:02, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/October 10, 2010 (per consensus; 7 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 11:21, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

→ I believe the children are our future Teach them well and let them lead the way
It's a good message, but slightly bland I suppose. so nia ♫♪ 13:26, 21 July 2010 (UTC) ✅ for October 2. Beluga boy how's my driving? 22:57, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - Actually I really like this, also tells not to bit the newcomers. Why not link future to future as well? Derild  49  21  ☼  14:22, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak oppose parents are usually higher than children, so experienced editors are higher than novices?  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 14:27, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Where did the idea of parents come from? By children here I am referring to the fact that they are learning quickly about the world, somewhat more new to it, more optimistic and creative, more open to ideas. And thus, if we help them settle in, they will help change Wikipedia with their new ideas. It is true that it is sometimes necessary to "talk down" to children to explain things to them, but I don't feel that that makes us "higher", per se. (I actually think people patronise children too much, and I guess the same goes for newbies.) so  nia ♫♪ 19:33, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak support - thanks for reopening, hi878. While it is true that I may have misunderstood the quote, it may be interpreted that way; some newbies may even take offence, should this be the way they interpret it. So, weak support.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 23:30, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support. Although some of the current editors may contribute the greatest depth, most of the contributions made to Wikipedia are by newcomers and they may end up being the ones to edit to the most depth as many long-timers retire and it makes it easier for contributors to lead when they arrive in a welcoming atmosphere. ~ A H  1 (TCU) 14:32, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - Very good message. I think Kayau's point was addressed sufficiently.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 05:05, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment I have decided to overturn this closure, as this discussion is only a day old, and this does not fall under WP:SNOW. Even if it is a snow closure, I still think that you should wait a week. One day is most certainly too soon.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 01:55, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - nice one, Sonia. Newbies are important.  PrincessofLlyr royal court 23:31, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong support - I remember when I was a newbie, when dinosaurs ruled the earth and TV's weren't invented. (just over a year ago) WVRMAD • Talk  • Guestbook   12:00, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support! Good message.-- Forty two  Thanks for all the fish! 02:38, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:04, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/October 9, 2010 (per consensus; 9 in support and 0 opposed or so) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 11:18, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

→ All religions, arts and sciences are branches of the same tree.
I like the message of the quote, but couldn't find the best links. Derild 49  21  ☼  12:32, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak oppose so sciencce is a part of religion?  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 12:40, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Reply - No, it is saying that religion and science are part of one greater topic, they may be called separate things, but they are still in one broader subject. The message I want to send is that even though there are many subdivisions in Wikipedia, we mustn't that every editor is still doing something for Wikipedia, not the task force or WikiProject. Derild  49  21  ☼  23:03, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Reply no, task forces are parts of WikiProjects, so sciences are parts of religion.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 02:25, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak support - I like the idea, but as Kayau pointed out, I think "sciences" could be linked better.  PrincessofLlyr royal court 13:55, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose Per Kayau.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 03:09, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - Per Kayau.  Simon KSK  18:37, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose in favor of Edit 1. — MC10 ( T • C • GB •L)  02:36, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

(in favour of Edit 1) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 11:12, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

→ All religions, arts and sciences are branches of the same tree.
Edit 1 with List of Topics instead. Derild 49  21  ☼  14:33, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support cool, sure. A good message particularly for newbies from WB.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 14:44, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - Good message, no problem with the links.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 03:09, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
 * weak oppose - Very unoriginal links.  Simon KSK  18:37, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Reply - actually, it's good for newbies who have just come from Wikibooks or Wikiversity, where there are many separate works rather than one whole work.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 23:57, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support ~ I prefer this version. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:09, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support. Good multicultural message. ~ A H  1 (TCU) 01:57, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support – Links work better than the original. — MC10 ( T • C • GB •L)  02:36, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/October 8, 2010 (per consensus; 6 in support and 1 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 11:12, 27 July 2010 (UTC)


 * For those who are reading this in the archives, pjoef meant to link to WP:Motto of the day/October 8, 2010.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 11:22, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

→ We want to achieve democracy without violence or vulgarity.
That's what she always says every time these people are mentioned. Not biased, just a motto.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 13:25, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support &#0149;martyx&#0149; tk ct gy 15:31, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - It works.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come yell at me!) 18:43, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 * After seeing the comments below, I have realized that this doesn't quite work, so I am switching to Oppose.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 14:11, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - good point, good links.  PrincessofLlyr royal court 13:14, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Given some points raised, and rereading it, the entire quote does not actually make sense. So, oppose  PrincessofLlyr royal court 14:47, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak Oppose ~ She doesn't know the meaning of the word "democracy" .... but this has nothing to do with MOTD. I like the phrase, but not the first link. It states that we want to achieve democracy but "Wikipedia is not a democracy." –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:04, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I agree with Pjoef: it doesn't make sense.  — m o n o   (how's my driving?) 02:54, 11 July 2010 (UTC)


 * - No consensus...  — m o n o    00:06, 14 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Oppose - Agree that first link doesn't make sense. Derild  49  21  ☼  12:27, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose – First link makes no sense. — MC10 ( T • C • GB •L)  02:45, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

(no consensus; 2 in support and 5 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 11:08, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

→ Carpe diem, seize the day, boys. Make your lives extraordinary.
John Keating portrayed by Robin Williams in Dead Poets Society directed by Peter Weir; written by Tom Schulman; starring Robin Williams, Robert Sean Leonard, Ethan Hawke, Kurtwood Smith, Gale Hansen, Norman Lloyd; music composed by Maurice Jarre; editing by William M. Anderson (1989). This quote is ranked #95 in the American Film Institute's list of the top 100 movie quotations in American cinema. I know the last link is [a bit] eXtreme (^___^) ... but aren't we trying to promote Wikipedia? –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:16, 13 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Note Carpe diem ("seize the day") by Horace has been showed on September 17, 2009, but here it is used in a different context. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:09, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak Oppose - Used before, but different context, so...  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 14:06, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support. Encourages new contributors to edit, but not all editors are male. ~ A H  1 (TCU) 16:08, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment I think that most people who read MOTD are registered newbies rather than anons?  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 23:45, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Reply: Why? The MOTD templates are (usually/mainly) showed on users' pages. You can visit those pages without having to be a registered user/editor (for example by following a link in a search engine result page.) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:09, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - Links fit really well Derild  49  21  ☼  23:43, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - good quote, well linked. The only consideration is that most anons won't read it. <font face="Lucida Calligraphy"> PrincessofLlyr royal court 00:19, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support, because it takes a really cool quote from a really cool movie and uses it to make what could almost be an advertisement for wikipedia. --khfan93 (t) (c) 03:32, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak oppose - I like the motto and its links lots but I immediately recognised it as being used earlier as a motto - I had to read the comments see it was actually different. Editors who often have a look at MOTD may also remember and think it's the same. WVRMAD • Talk  • Guestbook   12:55, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support – What's wrong with a bit of repeats? The quote and the links work well. — MC10 ( T • C • GB •L)  02:51, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
 * How about a compromise: After this motto gets approved or rejected, the phrase will be added to FUI. What do you think? Secret Saturdays   ( talk to me )  16:15, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, but only if it will be approved, otherwise it is unnecessary. ✅ –p joe f (talk • contribs) 10:24, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/October 7, 2010 (per consensus; 6 in support and 2 opposed; phrase added to FUI) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 10:45, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

===→ If you do not speak English, I am at your disposal with 187 other languages along with their various dialects and sub-tongues.=== The motto means "if the reader can't understand English Wikipedia, there are other Wikipedias in different languages". Secret Saturdays  ( talk to me )  02:28, 22 July 2010 (UTC) in favor of Edit 1 (I know that this has more supports, but edit 1 is clearly the better one) <font face="Verdana"> Simon KSK  14:08, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
 * support- I like it. so  nia ♫♪ 04:23, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - Very good. Nice message.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 05:08, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - But Wikipedia doesn't have 187 different languages and dialects. ;) Derild  49  21  ☼  13:09, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Condional support (edit 1).  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 14:48, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - cool! I like the message. <font face="Lucida Calligraphy"> PrincessofLlyr royal court 17:21, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - Great motto! WVRMAD • Talk  • Guestbook   11:49, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

→ If you do not speak English, I am at your disposal with 187 other languages along with their various dialects and sub-tongues.
Removed not-really-that-necessary-even-though-it-makes-us-look-a-bit-smart links.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 14:48, 22 July 2010 (UTC) ✅ per consensus. <font face="Verdana"> Simon KSK  14:08, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - But I like those kind of links... :) Either one of these is fine.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 16:51, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
 * This is slightly better. No strong preference though. so  nia ♫♪ 21:40, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Better - Seems to work. <font face="Papyrus"> — m o n o    23:47, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - I don't mind either as they're so similar, though I slightly prefer the original. WVRMAD • Talk  • Guestbook   11:51, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

→ If there hadn't been an Elvis, there wouldn't have been the Beatles.
I know it's a bit simplistic, but it's worth a shot. Secret Saturdays  ( talk to me )  19:28, 19 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Support - Indeed. But you know, not only Elvis inspired the Beatles. Anyway, good links and good quote. <font face="Verdana"> Simon KSK  19:37, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm fully aware of that. Secret Saturdays   ( talk to me )  19:48, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
 * You should be. :D <font face="Verdana"> Simon KSK  19:53, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Well considering that I'm a Beatles fan too, it's a bit impossible to forget. Secret Saturdays   ( talk to me )  19:55, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

✅ per consenus. <font face="Verdana"> Simon KSK  22:24, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - it's good. However, Elvis and the Beatles are different individuals while Nupedia is just what Wikipedia used to be - Nupedia didn't inspire Wikipedia, but it preceded it.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 06:52, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support ~ "If there hadn't been GNUPedia, there wouldn't have been Nupedia." –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:17, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak support. This motto illustreates the basic Wikipedia concept well, but it is a bit too simplistic to portray a chain of events that the Internet can set forth. ~ A H  1 (TCU) 00:41, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - I think it works. Good links.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 04:44, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

→ Friends can help each other.
James Douglas "Jim" Morrison (1943–1971) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:16, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - Looks good to me.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 14:07, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Neutral - huh? What is it talking about?  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 14:43, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Reply - people at the ref desk help each other find answers, etc. It's kind of a cumulative pooling of knowledge/ability to research. <font face="Lucida Calligraphy"> PrincessofLlyr royal court 14:53, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak support - I seldom answer questions from wikipedians I have met or ask questions which are answered by wikipedians I have met (well, zero times of the former and only one of the latter), so IMO this isn't the best RD motto.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 16:00, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - well, if you want to get technical, most aren't friends at RF, but the general idea works. It's definitely a good, different link. <font face="Lucida Calligraphy"> PrincessofLlyr royal court 14:53, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Neutral, leaning to oppose - per HOMEWORK. <font face="Papyrus"> — m o n o    01:38, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak support - Not very exciting. WVRMAD • Talk  • Guestbook   12:58, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

✅ per consenus. Secret Saturdays  ( talk to me )  22:27, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

=== → Labor omnia vincit ("Hard work conquers all") === The phrase appears in Virgil's Georgics, Book I, in the form Labor omnia uicit improbus ("Dishonest work overcomes all things"). Motto of many labor movements, many townships, cities, and states. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 06:46, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I don't see how it makes sense, IMHO.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 09:01, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong Oppose - ... What? Fix the links.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come yell at me!) 20:06, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
 * leaning toward oppose, but if you explain the links.... <font face="Lucida Calligraphy"> PrincessofLlyr royal court 18:26, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment: DUNNO /o\!!!! I wrote it long ago. I think I liked both the links to the Wikipedia readers (Readers first and WP:READERS) and by mistake I have replaced the first link with WP:RF. If I remember well, the first link pointed to Contributing to Wikipedia or How to edit a page. I'm adding I added two new versions below. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:34, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong oppose - per above, the links don't make sense. WVRMAD • Talk  • Guestbook   13:08, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose – The links make no sense. — MC10 ( T • C • GB •L)  02:48, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

==== → Labor omnia vincit ("Hard work conquers all") ==== Edit 1 with Contributing to Wikipedia and WP:READERS –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:34, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support My favorite.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 23:23, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - I like it. <font face="Papyrus"> — m o n o    01:18, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose seems to give the impression that contributing to WP is labour.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 23:43, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Reply: labour/labor is the effort expended on a particular task/work. It makes sense to me. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:40, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - This one works very nicely. And Kayau, it is work of a sort, whether we enjoy it or not. <font face="Lucida Calligraphy"> PrincessofLlyr royal court 14:49, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Reply - it's work, but not HARD work. I recall reading from User:I dream of horses's userpace. She says she's unemployed, so she treats WP kind of like a job. Would she do that if editing WP was 'hard' work?  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 00:03, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Reply: the more editors work hard the more Wikipedia grows. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:44, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak support - I think this is the best version but the links still aren't that great, as Kayau said I think it implies editing Wikipedia is hard work and though it might take time and effort to create a good article, hard work sounds like a bad thing. WVRMAD • Talk  • Guestbook   13:11, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support – The links work nicely. — MC10 ( T • C • GB •L)  02:49, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

==== → Labor omnia vincit ("Hard work conquers all") ==== Edit 2 with Contributing to Wikipedia and Readers first –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:34, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Second Preference - Second favorite. This works, but I like Edit 1 a tiny bit more.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 23:23, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

ALL VERSIONS (no consensus) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:54, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose same reason as above.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 23:43, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak support in favor of Edit 1. <font face="Lucida Calligraphy"> PrincessofLlyr royal court 00:17, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak oppose - the second link isn't very good and Edit 1 is better. WVRMAD • Talk  • Guestbook   13:18, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Original and Edit 2 and ✅ Edit 1 per consenus. Secret Saturdays  ( talk to me )  22:10, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

→ A journey of thousand miles begins with one small step.
This motto shows that Wikipedia is always going forward. --Extra 999 (Contact me +  contribs) 14:30, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong oppose - used before. Why is Lao-tzu so popular? I mean, he was an awesome philosopher, but why is this motto so often used? It's going to FUI.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 14:45, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, abandon it please, if so. --Extra 999 (Contact me +  contribs) 14:53, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I will.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 21:10, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
 * - Used before; nominator withdrew.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 21:10, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

→ My name is Khan and I am not a terrorist.
Just trying out something new.-- Forty two  Thanks for all the fish! 00:10, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - lol, doesn't make much sense to me.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 00:11, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
 * weak oppose - It makes sense, and it's a bit humorous, but a better link would be nice. <font face="Verdana"> Simon KSK  00:18, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak support - But I prefer Edit 1. WVRMAD • Talk  • Guestbook   13:41, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak Support Edit 1 is far better.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 04:43, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
 * \ in favour of edit 1. <font face="Verdana"> Simon KSK  14:20, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

→ My name is Khan and I am not a terrorist.
Edit one with IPs are human too instead. Derild 49  21  ☼  01:44, 20 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Support better version. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:25, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
 * yes This is good! so  nia ♫♪ 09:04, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support. Encourages AGF, even implicitly. ~ A H  1 (TCU) 00:48, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support. I don't know the source but in this context it seems really cool way of phrasing AGF. --khfan93 (t) (c) 03:32, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - Great links, well done Derild4921! WVRMAD • Talk  • Guestbook   13:42, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Hah! - Made me laugh, the links work.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 04:43, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support Very creative! Secret Saturdays   ( talk to me )  04:48, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅ per WP:SNOW. <font face="Verdana"> Simon KSK  14:20, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
 * boo-hoo-hoo - I've been a bit busy this couple of days and didn't notice this. Although this is closed, I still want to support it.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 14:23, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
 * - Used before; nominator withdrew.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 21:10, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

→ I believe the children are our future Teach them well and let them lead the way
It's a good message, but slightly bland I suppose. so nia ♫♪ 13:26, 21 July 2010 (UTC) ✅ for October 2 per concensus. Beluga boy how's my driving? 22:57, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - Actually I really like this, also tells not to bit the newcomers. Why not link future to future as well? Derild  49  21  ☼  14:22, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak oppose parents are usually higher than children, so experienced editors are higher than novices?  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 14:27, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Where did the idea of parents come from? By children here I am referring to the fact that they are learning quickly about the world, somewhat more new to it, more optimistic and creative, more open to ideas. And thus, if we help them settle in, they will help change Wikipedia with their new ideas. It is true that it is sometimes necessary to "talk down" to children to explain things to them, but I don't feel that that makes us "higher", per se. (I actually think people patronise children too much, and I guess the same goes for newbies.) so  nia ♫♪ 19:33, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support. Although some of the current editors may contribute the greatest depth, most of the contributions made to Wikipedia are by newcomers and they may end up being the ones to edit to the most depth as many long-timers retire and it makes it easier for contributors to lead when they arrive in a welcoming atmosphere. ~ A H  1 (TCU) 14:32, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - Very good message. I think Kayau's point was addressed sufficiently.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 05:05, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

→ Wasn't it a millionaire who said "Imagine no possessions"?
Secret Saturdays  ( talk to me )  19:28, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - Good quote and link. Also funny. Nothing wrong with this. <font face="Verdana"> Simon KSK  19:39, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
 * support- it's a really good point. (Simon! You're back!) so  nia ♫♪ 20:02, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - yep, it's great!  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 06:50, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support ~ I like it very much. Do you think we can change the arrow link to point to the song ("The Other Side of Summer")? –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:08, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support. Wasn't it a loudmouth who said, "QUIET!!!"? ~ A H  1 (TCU) 00:39, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

✅ Per consensus.-- LAA Fan  20:09, 21 July 2010 (UTC) ===→ It's been a hard day's night, and I been working like a dog. It's been a hard day's night, I should be sleeping like a log. But when I get home to you I'll find the things that you do will make me feel alright.=== Yes, I know, "Another Beatles song, gosh, this kid is chock full of them!" What can I say? The Beatles are freaking awesome. Love them to death. <font face="Verdana"> Simon KSK  16:17, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - Nice linking! Derild  49  21  ☼  16:48, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak support - again seems to imply that editing WP is hard work, but is less blatant about it. Nice song though.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 07:02, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
 * It doesn't saying editing WP is hard work, it says improving WP all toghether is hard work. <font face="Verdana"> Simon KSK  17:46, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:23, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support. Encourages encouragement overall, but don't forget to sleep. ~ A H  1 (TCU) 00:43, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - I like the motto, I see Kayau's point but I don't think it's a big deal. WVRMAD • Talk  • Guestbook   13:39, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

✅ Per consensus.-- LAA Fan  20:07, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

→ "Tell me, how did you find America?" – "Turn left at Greenland."
A Hard Day's Night (1964) directed by Richard Lester; written by Alun Owen; starring The Beatles; music composed by The Beatles and George Martin; cinematography by Gilbert Taylor; editing by John Jympson. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 06:46, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak Oppose- The links don't make that much sense to me. Secret Saturdays   ( talk to me )  16:00, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I get it now, but I'm still Opposing in favor of Edit 1. Secret Saturdays   ( talk to me )  18:48, 29 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Oppose - I don't like the way that this one is linked.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come yell at me!) 20:02, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - Edit 1 is slightly better but I still don't think the linking is very good. WVRMAD • Talk  • Guestbook   13:00, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

==== → "Tell me, how did you find America?" "Turn left at Greenland." ==== Edit 1 Fixed some issues with the previous motto. Secret Saturdays  ( talk to me )  18:48, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - This one works.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come yell at me!) 20:02, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Support either really, but the linking is slightly better on this one. <font face="Lucida Calligraphy"> PrincessofLlyr royal court 18:27, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - I like it. ~ Nerdy Science Dude  (✉ • ✐ • ✍) 00:03, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak support I like it but since when has Wikipedia been America? Can it not link to the America article? <span style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;padding:1px;">&#0149;martyx&#0149; tk ct gy 15:12, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Reply - it's that weird question of how to interpret mottoes. You could read: "Tell me, how did you find Wikipedia?"/"(awareness statistics)". <font face="Lucida Calligraphy"> PrincessofLlyr royal court 16:23, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Very weak oppose support - I don't like the idea of equating Wikipedia with America. Linking to WP:AWARE also isn't particularly useful IMHO.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 13:17, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
 * OK, since my points were addressed, I guess I withdraw my second. I still don't like Wikipedia=America, even if it means new world.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 14:42, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment: The word "America" derives from the feminized Latin version of the first name of the Italian explorer and navigator Amerigo Vespucci (Amerigo→Americus→America.) America is also a synonym of "New World," "New Continent" (North America + South America = the Americas) "new Land" ... something new. Obviously I know the phrase is referring to the U.S.A., but I took the liberty to "extend" its meaning. This word (America, América, Amerika, Amérique) and meaning are in common use in many languages as well as in English. America here means the new world/thing, which surely is Wikipedia. Also, a link to Google or Yahoo! would make the idea more clear for linking "Turn left at Greenland," but I used WP:AWARE because I don't think it is a good idea to point to the Wikipedia main namespace. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 10:53, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I don't like the linking because I think WP:AWARE is a bad page to link to, its just full of statistics and isn't that relevant anyway. I would probably have Weak support if Turn left at Greenland linked to Google or Yahoo as Pjoef suggested - I don't think it's such a big deal to link to a normal article. WVRMAD • Talk  • Guestbook   13:05, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

BOTH VERSIONS (no consensus) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:51, 13 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment - I think that Kayau's point has been sufficiently answered. If I'm not the only one that thinks this, perhaps we could just close this early?  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 14:09, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Reply: Probaly yes, but I'm more strict with my nominations! Anyway, Edit 1 gets my support too. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 14:37, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Original and ✅ Edit 1 per consensus.-- LAA Fan  20:04, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

→ Know where your towel is
Not sure about the links, but you get the idea.-- Forty two  Thanks for all the fish! 19:12, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment isn't that kind of... meaningless?  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 23:39, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose Per my below comment. And by the way, gadgets don't go in your script page. :)  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 02:57, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose in favor of Edit 2. AirplanePro RadioChecklist 02:20, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - Per Hi878. I prefer Edit 2. WVRMAD • Talk  • Guestbook   13:24, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

→ Know where your towel is
Edit 1 ~ I don't know the context of the quote. Just trying.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 23:40, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - Whatever the context is, this doesn't seem like it... <font face="Papyrus"> — m o n o    00:07, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose Per my below comment.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 02:57, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose The link doesn't really belong. AirplanePro RadioChecklist 02:20, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong oppose - Links don't make sense to me. WVRMAD • Talk  • Guestbook   13:27, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

→ Know where your towel is.
Edit 2 ~ variation on #1. <font face="Papyrus"> — m o n o    00:03, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong support - that's much more in the spirit of the thing I think. --Smaug123 (talk) 18:06, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Agree. I like the linking here better than in mine. -- Forty two  Thanks for all the fish! 00:46, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Neutral know where your script is: in your monobook.js/vector.js! Does that imply that there are no scripts in your preferences?  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 00:55, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
 * There are no scripts! Just gadgets. <font face="Papyrus"> — m o n o    01:37, 17 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Oppose - Do all of you remember the run of Douglas Adams quotes that I did? I left this one out, specifically because I don't think that any linking will work. I thought of this way, but decided that it was retty meaningless, so...  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 02:57, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support Better than original, way better than Edit 1. AirplanePro RadioChecklist 02:20, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support for edit 2 (this version) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:28, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - I like the links, people who look at the motto and follow them may find them useful in learning how to use scripts. WVRMAD • Talk  • Guestbook   13:31, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Original and Edit 1 and ✅ Edit 2 per consensus.-- LAA Fan  20:01, 21 July 2010 (UTC) === → Meliora ("for the pursuit of the better") === Motto of the University of Rochester, New York. It means "better", "better things", "always better", "ever better", "for the pursuit of the better", "to improve (something)", "make [something] better!", depending if it is used as a verb or a noun. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:16, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong Support - I like it. Very good job.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 14:07, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * support yep.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 14:45, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - good, as usual from pjoef! <font face="Lucida Calligraphy"> PrincessofLlyr royal court 14:50, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

✅ Per consensus.-- LAA Fan  01:28, 21 July 2010 (UTC) === → Thus sang they, in the English boat, An holy and a cheerful note, And all the way, to guide their chime, With falling oars they kept the time. === Andrew Marvell (1621–1678), Bermudas (1653) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 06:41, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Support Not entirely sure about the last two, but the rest seems good.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come yell at me!) 02:25, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Support Love it! --Smaug123 (talk) 08:39, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

- not enough discussion. Simply south (talk) 13:49, 6 July 2010 (UTC) ✅ (per consenus; 4 supports and 1 oppose) Secret Saturdays   ( talk to me )  18:01, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment - 'an holy'?  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 12:27, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes- My English teacher says "an history". Apparently "h" is supposed to be prepended with "an", but no one does it any more. I have no problems with it where the "h" is silent (an hour) and the reverse where a consonant sounds at the start of a word though it is nonexistent (a uniform) But it seems most people disagree with me on either one point or the other. so  nia ♫♪ 21:23, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak support - it's always the last link that spoils it all... but the rest are great.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 09:23, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose. The links and the quote dont meet each other at any point.-- Forty two  Thanks for all the fish! 09:26, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

=== →What would you think if I sang out of tune, would you stand up and walk out on me? Lend me your ears and I'll sing you a song and I'll try not to sing out of key.=== <font face="Verdana"> Simon KSK  19:08, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - I like this. Welcome to MOTD! <font face="Lucida Calligraphy"> PrincessofLlyr royal court 19:20, 18 July 2010 (UTC) Moving in favor of Edit 1
 * Reply - .......Welcome? <font face="Verdana"> Simon KSK  19:35, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Simon's an old-timer just come back from a long absence, as I have. &mdash; La Pianista  ♫ ♪ 22:17, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Rats! Before posting, I thought, "What if I'm just showing myself to be the MOTD newbie that I am?" but decided to do it anyway. Sorry, Simon. Welcome back! <font face="Lucida Calligraphy"> PrincessofLlyr royal court 13:35, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Ha, it's okay. Woah, I just realized that I'm one of the descision makers. I forgot that I added myself there. >_> <font face="Verdana"> Simon KSK  16:07, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose in favor of Edit 1 + questions - Why does think link to WP:TALKPAGE? Also, is it necessary to repeat WP:VANDAL? &mdash; La Pianista  ♫ ♪ 22:17, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I put the talkpage link because you should tell someone what you think they're doing wrong in their talk page. <font face="Verdana"> Simon KSK  23:13, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I don't like it when people link FA to good things when it doesn't fit the rest of the quote. BTW, I've never seen Simon before but I have seen La Pianista so I suppose Simon hasn't come back for quite a long time. (then again he's probably come back when I had a WB.) Anyway, I'm glad someone's finally put 'reply' before a reply and used two bullets rather than an indentation. It's something that has almost never been observed for the past few months.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 23:53, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

(in favour of Edit 1) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:16, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

==== → What would you think if I sang out of tune; would you stand up and walk out on me? Lend me your ears and I'll sing you a song and I'll try not to sing out of key. ==== Edit 1 Several miscellaneous fixes. &mdash; La Pianista  ♫ ♪ 22:17, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong Support this version. Much better links. Derild  49  21  ☼  22:19, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - Yes, this is a better version. I put WP:VANDAL twice in mine, since I had no clue what else to put. :/ <font face="Verdana"> Simon KSK  23:11, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support agreed.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 23:53, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - this is better. <font face="Lucida Calligraphy"> PrincessofLlyr royal court 13:35, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support ~ now it's perfect! –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:42, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/September 25, 2010 (per consensus; 6 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:16, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

→ DON'T PANIC
A no-brainer really. More Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy quotes coming up.-- Forty two  Thanks for all the fish! 18:56, 13 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Weak oppose - I mean... it works, but a bit too bland. Derild  49  21  ☼  23:42, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - boring. <font face="Papyrus"> — m o n o    00:04, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong oppose.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 04:30, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong Oppose - even though I love HHGG, it's been used before.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 02:50, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong Oppose - No reusing mottos! ~ Nerdy Science Dude  (✉ • ✐ • ✍) 00:11, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak Oppose ~ it has been used yet. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:33, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

(no consensus; 1 in support and 6 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:11, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

→ Don't try to teach your Grandma to suck eggs.
How about this one? -- Forty two  Thanks for all the fish! 22:15, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment so templating is sucking eggs?  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 00:58, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Nope. Templating an experienced user is akin to teaching ones Grandma to suck eggs. This is a real proverb. Try this if you haven't heard this one before.Face-grin_expert.svg-- Forty two  Thanks for all the fish! 01:12, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - thanks.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 01:26, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong oppose - I hate that essay. <font face="Papyrus"> — m o n o    01:13, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment - no offence intended, but do you hate it because you were wrongly accused of templating a regular?  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 01:17, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Many times, actually! Face-devil-grin.svg <font face="Papyrus"> — m o n o    00:01, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak Support An odd quote but it still fits – Derild4921 04:30, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:16, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - Purely because the nominator is a Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy fan. :)  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 14:05, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Reply - so Secret Saturdays should support all my nominations because I'm also a Garfield fan? :)  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 04:15, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support. ~ Nerdy Science Dude  (✉ • ✐ • ✍) 23:34, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support! - This one makes me smile. And I'm strongly against templating the regulars, so yes, put this out there! <font face="Lucida Calligraphy"> PrincessofLlyr royal court 00:21, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/September 24, 2010 (per consensus; 7 in support and 1 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:03, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

→ So much time, and so little to do! Strike that! Reverse it!
I just feel this quote sums up Wikipedia editors/editing thoroughly. We probably all spend so much time here, and yet there is always more to be done than we can get done in that amount of time... I couldn't find this having been used previously, but I would think this would have been, so I could very well be wrong. --khfan93 03:30, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - you cannot expect that you reader understands what message you are trying to bring without reading your message. Please add some links.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 05:23, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Kayau, that was slightly bitey of you. How is one who is new to MOTD supposed to know that straight off-the-bat? There were nicer ways of introducing the concept. Anyway. I'm thinking that linking that to the GOCE would be a good idea. Other ideas? so nia ♫♪ 06:26, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
 * What the motto means to me and what it means to the reader will always be different. There is no need to force an interpretation of a quote unto someone.  But how about this:
 * Sorry, it was not meant to be bitey. To be honest I don't understand how GOCE would work...  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 13:45, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose No links.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 23:45, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - Unlinked <font face="Papyrus"> — m o n o    04:22, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

(in favour of Edit 3) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:00, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

→ So much time, and so little to do! Strike that! Reverse it!
Edi 1 ~ It's not perfect... but I added links! --khfan93 13:35, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment - I think this is kind of 'unparallel', since to do is linked whereas time is not. And reverse is linked while strike is not. One can link strike to CTW (though that would be a bit trite). I can't really think of a link to time though... Help:Calendar? Of course that's rather silly. WP:7AGES?  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 13:45, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I'll put in my ideas.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 23:45, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

(in favour of Edit 3) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:00, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

→ So much time, and so little to do! Strike that! Reverse it!
Edit 2 ~ I like this. I don't think strike needs to be linked. Hi 8 7 8  (Come shout at me!) 23:45, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment: This phrase makes me think that there is so little time and so much to do. A 48-64 hours day could be a great solution ~ lol ~ Anyway, I do not like linking To-do list to "so little to do". What about using something related to Peer review or Featured article candidates? They would make more sense to me. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:32, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support I think this is the best version.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 13:03, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

(in favour of Edit 3) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:00, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

→ So much time, and so little to do! Strike that! Reverse it!
Edit 3 using WP:PR. ~ Nerdy Science Dude  (✉ • ✐ • ✍) 23:48, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - Better than mine. By the way, you used WP:FAC, not WP:PR. :) I like FAC better.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 02:54, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support much better than my original version, my favorite of the changes. :D --khfan93 (t) (c) 01:00, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support per Hi878 & khfan93. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:53, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/September 23, 2010 (per consensus; 4 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:00, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

→ I have been an echo. You have been an echo. Wikipedia has been an echo. The world has been an echo. But your spirit never has.
I think that we ourselves are just echos and our spirits control our lives. I thought it would be good to express that. I got the motto from Enya's song "La Soñadora, from the line "He sido un eco" or "I have been an echo"<em style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC;color:green">Rascal <em style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC;color:yellow">the <em style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC;color:red">Peaceful  (t/a/c) 21:53, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I don't suppose the word 'Wikipedia' appeared in the song? :) please do no modify quotes.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 09:13, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Hey, i just made it up; it's only the "I have been an echo" part that appeared in the song, and also, sorry about the editing. I kept on forgetting things, so I added them in. <em style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC;color:green">Rascal <em style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC;color:yellow">the <em style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC;color:red">Peaceful  (t/a/c) 21:37, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Neutral - First of all, don't have an arrow if you made up most of it. Second, the linking is quite a bit off. I'm going to nominate one with different linkings. I'll use this motto the way that it is. If it turns out we shouldn't use it, then... Then reject it.   Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 23:42, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

(in favour of Edit 1) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:57, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

I have been an echo. You have been an echo. Wikipedia has been an echo. The world has been an echo. But your spirit never has.
Edit 1 ~ Better, perhaps? Hi 8 7 8  (Come shout at me!) 23:42, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - Madeup, but good. Could we put a link to WP:OR in there? <font face="Papyrus"> — m o n o    04:28, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Considerable support - Pretty deep for a madeup; that's why I like it. AtrHarOrd (talk) 14:25, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Striking indeffed user's comment. <font face="Papyrus"> — m o n o    01:17, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support ~ I like it! –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:37, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Symbol support vote.svg Me too. ~ Nerdy Science Dude  (✉ • ✐ • ✍) 23:42, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/September 22, 2010 (per consensus; 4 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:57, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

=== → Oh, swiftly glides the bonnie boat, Just parted from the shore, And to the fisher's chorus-note, Soft moves the dipping oar! === Joanna Baillie (1762–1851). "Oh, Swiftly Glides the Bonnie Boat" (1815). A brief note: History of Wikipedia is in the mainspace, but it's about Wikipedia, so I think it should work. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 06:56, 6 July 2010 (UTC) in favor of Edit 1. Secret Saturdays  ( talk to me )  19:35, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support, though something could be done about the last link.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 08:50, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak Oppose - Don't like last link. My suggestion is below.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 23:32, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

==== → Oh, swiftly glides the bonnie boat, Just parted from the shore, And to the fisher's chorus-note, Soft moves the dipping oar! ==== Edit 1 ~ Seems to make quite a bit more sense. Hi 8 7 8  (Come shout at me!) 23:32, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

✅ per WP:SNOW Secret Saturdays   ( talk to me )  19:35, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support EDIT 1 –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:40, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support this one better.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 04:34, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support. Makes sense.-- Forty two  Thanks for all the fish! 09:28, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Symbol support vote.svg Indeed. ~ Nerdy Science Dude  (✉ • ✐ • ✍) 23:36, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

→ I'm a revolutionary; money means nothing to me.
&mdash; La Pianista  ♫ ♪ 02:15, 12 July 2010 (UTC) in favour of edit 2.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 14:17, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - in favor of Edit 1. <font face="Papyrus"> — m o n o    04:22, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Conditional Support Edit 1 is better, but this works.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 14:03, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

→ I'm a revolutionary; money means nothing to me.
Edit 1 Different links. --<font face="Papyrus"> — m o n o    04:22, 12 July 2010 (UTC) ✅ - no rationale for opposition; community in favour.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 14:17, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - Alright. I was afraid to do that, though, as links to WP:EDIAN are far overused. Most of the time, they're also redundant. And repetitive. &mdash; La Pianista  ♫ ♪ 04:23, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support (both versions, there is not a big difference between them) + comment: I think that the Poet of Piano was not paid for his Étude Op. 10, No. 12. La Pianista, check out this link when you get a moment. I would like to know your opinion. It's not Richter, Ashkenazy, or Pollini... but he is studying this Revolutionary piece of Art, and IMHO he is making progress. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:49, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Re Pjoef Yes, he's making progress (is that perchance you playing? :). It's better than many others' renditions I've heard - believe me, I've heard many. Sure, there are more than a few things I disagree with, in which I will indulge myself by speaking in uncomfortably large detail.
 * Better right hand legato - he has the hand for a 5-4 octave pair if he wanted to. He should relax the lower voices in practice and work on that legato between 5 and 4. It is supremely important to keep the other fingers relaxed, else the legato will not be natural, he'll hit wrong notes, and some notes won't even sound. Purely as an exercise, he could play the chord, play every voice but the top staccato, and keep the top molto legatissimo.
 * More voicing in top of right hand - he can do this by subtly angling his hand towards the smaller fingers, thus putting more weight there.
 * More carefully-planned resolutions - 0:40, for example. The D should be softer than the E-flat before it. If you were to sing this passage, you wouldn't do the opposite, would you? It is ungraceful (not that he was doing that - he was playing them at equal dynamics).
 * Better tone control by keeping the hand close to the key - this mostly applies to the right hand. If he put his hand on the key before playing it, he wouldn't have that wooden, physical bump that comes purely from a quick descent straight into the keybed. It's that "knock-on-wood" sound that's barely perceptible but makes a huge difference in the end. In addition, a lot of energy is wasted in the force that is rebound, per Newton's third law. If he kept close to the key, he could play loudly with a quick burst of energy and immediately relax (after all, what use is there for tension after a key is played? The sound decays immediately, there's nothing you can do) and prepare for the next chord.
 * Reduce the amount of extraneous movement in the left hand, especially the chromatic 1:07 section- it's good to keep the arm free, but too much movement is more of an impediment than a help. It throws the hand off balance and creates more tension as the pianist tries to keep things straight. Like Dr. José Feghali once mentioned in a masterclass I attended, capable pianists don't have to convince themselves of relaxation with unnecessary movements. Freedom should be felt within and observed through paying close attention to what their body is telling them. Of course, total relaxation is impossible (else, pianists would be reduced to a drooling, half-awake mess that has fallen off the bench), but we should strive for minimal tension at all costs.
 * Most minor thing of all - I would recommend not letting go of the right hand during the left hand "solo" passagework. For one thing, it is slightly unprofessional, and his body language shows that he is struggling. Inner dialogue: I'm so focused on this left hand right now. In the meanwhile, let's get this right hand out of the way.
 * Overall, relatively small things, besides that bit about relaxation - as you say, he is no Richter. If this etude has caused him any pain - even a tingly sensation in undesirable - I would strongly advise him to be careful and start some relaxation exercises, which he may find in Alan Fraser's book, The Craft of Piano Playing (which I cannot link to on WP, since it would be spamming :P ). &mdash; La Pianista  ♫ ♪ 06:42, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your reply. And, no I am not a pianist nor a musician. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 12:03, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - The WP:EDIAN link was a good addition, in my opinion.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 14:03, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - winning and money don't go together that well, IMO, but it's fine.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 14:44, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support. Motto increases wiki-spirit. ~ A H  1 (TCU) 16:09, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - I like this one. ~ Nerdy Science Dude  (✉ • ✐ • ✍) 23:44, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - very good point, well linked. <font face="Lucida Calligraphy"> PrincessofLlyr royal court 00:21, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

→ Not now! Can't you see I'm trying to remember something?
I know it's sort of weird, but...  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 04:23, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Note this is not the first time that i've quoted the mean dog from Garfield.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 04:37, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - well linked. <font face="Lucida Calligraphy"> PrincessofLlyr royal court 13:57, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - Good idea. Derild  49  21  ☼  14:42, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - Great <font face="Papyrus"> — m o n o    01:36, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - Made me laugh, and the lniks work. What more do we need?  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 03:02, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

✅ per consensus. Simply south (talk) 13:24, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

=== → While mantling on the maiden's cheek, Young roses kindled into thought. === Thomas Moore (1779–1852), Evenings in Greece: Evening II: "Song" (1832) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 06:56, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - Seems good.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 23:30, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - it's a bit bland but OK.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 09:12, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support. Nice links. I think it more than just works.-- Forty two  Thanks for all the fish! 09:19, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - It works. ~ Nerdy Science Dude  (✉ • ✐ • ✍) 23:38, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

✅ per consensus. Simply south (talk) 00:39, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

→ Has your peace trip big love ship got a seat left for me?
"Gone" by Hate Dept. form their 1998 album Technical Difficulties –p joe f (talk • contribs) 06:41, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak support - not so sure about the last link.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 08:40, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak Support Per Kayau.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come yell at me!) 02:19, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak support - the last link I like, but the entire quote took me a second read to understand. <font face="Lucida Calligraphy"> PrincessofLlyr royal court 02:44, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

- not enough discussion. Simply south (talk) 13:49, 6 July 2010 (UTC) . As more than one user is in opposition because they do not understand it, it is not likely that our readers will either. Also, even supporters have concerns.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 09:26, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak oppose—I don't understand it all that well. Beluga  boy  13:57, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak oppose Same as Belugaboy. Derild  49  21  ☼  22:41, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Nah.-- Forty two  Thanks for all the fish! 09:22, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

→ I'm a doctor, not a physicist!
There should be no need for a user to revert vandalism; it's the vandals that waste so much time. --Smaug123 (talk) 20:55, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Neutral-ish, leaning towards oppose - I just don't like the message.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come yell at me!) 21:27, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Reply - :( --Smaug123 (talk) 21:51, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - can't see how the links fit...  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 00:21, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose. I love the quote but don't see any of the variations working.-- Forty two  Thanks for all the fish! 19:27, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

→ I'm a doctor, not a soldier!
Edit 1 ~ Also said, I think. The last link is more appropriate now, I think --Smaug123 (talk) 07:34, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak Support - Better, but I just don't like the message much.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come yell at me!) 18:42, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

→ I'm a doctor, not a physicist!
Edit 2 with WP:WWISG and WP:SUCKS –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:35, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong Oppose - Absolutely not! I hate it!  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 23:24, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

→ I'm a doctor, not a physicist!
Edit 3 with WP:WRITERS and WP:NOTLEX –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:35, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Perfect! - This is the best. I think it's funny. :)  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 23:24, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

ALL VERSIONS (no consensus) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:55, 13 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Edit 3 is my favourite and has my support. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:58, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support. Good version. ~ A H  1 (TCU) 16:05, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - it's a touch better than the others (all of which are great :)) --Smaug123 (talk) 17:39, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support much better.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 23:42, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - Best of all. <font face="Papyrus"> — m o n o    00:05, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Original and edits 1 and 2. ✅ Edit 3 per consensus.-- LAA Fan  20:44, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

→ "Break the glass". "We can't, it's Beatle-proof." "Nothing is Beatle-proof."
It's worth a shot. Secret Saturdays  ( talk to me )  02:31, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - I like that! <font face="Lucida Calligraphy"> PrincessofLlyr royal court 02:33, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Very Weak Oppose - It seems more fitting to have "Break" be WP:VANDAL, but then that sends a bad message, so... I don't know. The message seems weird no matter how you link it.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 03:00, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Try reading it just as the links (and words in between), not the words that are linked. That seems to work for me. <font face="Lucida Calligraphy"> PrincessofLlyr royal court 03:22, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
 * But if you look at the words, it doesn't work, and the words are what you see first. And if you don't have popups, it makes it even harder to get the meaning.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 03:28, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose I agree with Hi878. Besides, it seems to imply that protected pages are all replaced by pending changes.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 08:46, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose <span style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;padding:1px;">&#0149;martyx&#0149; tk ct gy 10:12, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support on Condition—Make Beatle into some other workable pun, everything else I like. Beluga  boy  14:06, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - agreeing with Hi878 — m o n o   01:41, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Per consensus.-- LAA Fan  20:40, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

→ Never fight a battle of wits with someone you suspect is unarmed.
This originated from a British Adult "comic" called Viz - it was used in an episode of "Sid the Sexist", when he was talking to Baz about dealing with blondes. However, I feel it fits Wikipedia in the sense of Not biting the newcomers and Assuming good faith - always assume the person you are dealing with may need things explaining, politely. Personal warnings are much friendlier, since if they're kept civil, they can encourage conversation and discussion. In short, don't assume you're talking with someone who knows everything, it's highly unlikely. <font color="red" face="arial;Times New Roman">Barking <font color="blue" face="arial;Times New Roman">Fish  Talk to me &#124; My contributions 23:40, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - No links. I'll try some below.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come yell at me!) 23:45, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment: You may be right, if you want to amend the above proposal rather than starting a new one, feel free. I wasn't entirely sure how this nom thingy worked :) <font color="red" face="arial;Times New Roman">Barking <font color="blue" face="arial;Times New Roman">Fish  Talk to me &#124; My contributions 23:48, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 * The way you do it is adding a new proposal if you have a new linking idea (or want to add links). I went ahead and took them away again, so that we have this nom and mine being the way they were.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 01:36, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
 * That's why I was confused! And then I had to change my !vote. Oh well. <font face="Lucida Calligraphy"> PrincessofLlyr royal court 01:31, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

→ Never fight a battle of wits with someone you suspect is unarmed.
Edit 1 Would this work? I don't think that WP:AGF would work, though. Hi 8 7 8  (Come yell at me!) 23:45, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak Support - the more I read this one the less I like it, but of the three this is best. <font face="Lucida Calligraphy"> PrincessofLlyr royal court 13:14, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

→ Never fight a battle of wits with someone you suspect is unarmed.
Edit 2 I'm justing throwing my two cents in. Secret Saturdays  ( talk to me )  23:58, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Neutral-ish, leaning towards oppose - I don't think the page quite fits with the quote.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 01:36, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

→ Never fight a battle of wits with someone you suspect is unarmed.
Edit 3 Don't bite the newcomers? <span style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;padding:1px;">&#0149;martyx&#0149; tk ct gy 10:15, 5 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Support - this seems to fit in better, looking at the linking, with what I was originally considering. <font color="red" face="arial;Times New Roman">Barking <font color="blue" face="arial;Times New Roman">Fish  Talk to me &#124; My contributions 21:41, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support ~ this is my favourite and it is very close to the original idea/proposal. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:52, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Strongly oppose all - I'm surprised no one has seen this. Implying that newbies don't have wits is a way of biting them. &mdash; La Pianista  ♫ ♪ 16:04, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Huh? - It's not implying they have no wits! If anything, they have lots of wits, because we are implying that if you battle wits with them, you will lose! --Smaug123 (talk) 21:32, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Double huh? - It's the opposite. Suspect is unarmed links to WP:NEWBIE. Newbies are unarmed in a battle of wits = they have no wits. &mdash; La Pianista  ♫ ♪ 02:00, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Triple huh? - but if you are being warned against doing this, then there must be a reason; if the newbie really is unarmed, then why would there be a proverb about it? You'd simply win! The meaning behind the proverb is that there may be hidden depths to this person. The implication is that the newbie might be able to win! --Smaug123 (talk) 17:44, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Atomic huh? You are being warned against battling wits with an unarmed person because it would be a waste of time. Your well-loved and thought-out choice of words would fall on pitiably deaf, witless ears. How could a person without wits win an argument of wits, anyways? &mdash; La Pianista  ♫ ♪ 06:11, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * In addition, calling anyone witless in any situation is still an insult, no matter how you spin it. Especially if they are witless. &mdash; La Pianista  ♫ ♪ 06:13, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - gee, you're right, La Pianista! That's one way of biting them.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 09:21, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I don't really think that any linking works...  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 03:59, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose all. - Nothing works for me. <font face="Papyrus"> — m o n o    04:36, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

→ Never fight a battle of wits with someone you suspect is unarmed.
Edit 4 - Link change. &mdash; La Pianista  ♫ ♪ 04:40, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
 * support- omgz one that actually works! :P so  nia ♫♪ 04:42, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
 * As does everything I do, sweetheart. Everything I do. *casually brushes dust off shoulder* &mdash; La Pianista  ♫ ♪ 04:53, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support edit 4.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 06:24, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

→ Never fight a battle of wits with someone you suspect is unarmed.
Edit 5 - Moving the last link - an alternative that I have just conjured from the depths of my miraculous brain. &mdash; La Pianista  ♫ ♪ 04:42, 12 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Support Edit 4 & 5 (with a slight preference for this version) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:43, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * yep- that makes more sense. :P so  nia ♫♪ 04:36, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Original, edit 1, edit 2, edit 3, and edit 5. ✅ Edit 4 per Users Sonia, Kayau, and Pjoef.-- LAA Fan  20:37, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

→ Be thou familiar, but by no means vulgar.
William Shakespeare (1564–1616), The Tragedy of Hamlet, Prince of Denmark, Act I, Scene III: "Lor4d Polonius monologue"; line 61 (1623) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:16, 13 July 2010 (UTC)


 * support- this works, and it is a good message. so  nia ♫♪ 07:25, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - Good message.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 14:07, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support per above.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 14:43, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support. Encourages a good environment. ~ A H  1 (TCU) 16:07, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

✅ per consensus. Simply south (talk) 23:53, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

→ Greetings and bienvenue.
Secret Saturdays  ( talk to me )  23:49, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak support - In the spirit of User:Nutiketaiel, it could do for a slow news day. &mdash; La Pianista  ♫ ♪ 01:53, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
 * LOL, and very weak support - I don't know if this is the case for western countries, but in Hong Kong you always see the word 'welcome' in many languages. They paint them on walls and all that. :P Also, Nutiketaiel's legacy remains even though he has not been an active member for some time... Anyway, I don't see how this will be too useful, but...  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 01:56, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, it depends where in the Western countries. In places like San Francisco, New York City, parts of Canada and Eastern Europe, you'll see some places doing that, mostly at airports. :P Secret Saturdays   ( talk to me )  00:49, 12 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Weak Support - When we have an emergency day. :)  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 23:47, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - Let's make our emergency date August 12. <font face="Papyrus"> — m o n o    04:19, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak Support per above. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:52, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/September 14, 2010 (per consensus; 6 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:25, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

→ Extreme democracy has caused the cultural revolution.
 Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 13:25, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - Good job!  Hi 8 7 8   (Come yell at me!) 18:43, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support I like this one. Derild  49  21  ☼  18:49, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak support It's OK <span style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;padding:1px;">&#0149;martyx&#0149; tk ct gy 10:16, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Neutral ~ Okay, assuming that Wikipedia is an "extreme democracy" why does it cause the end of wikipedia? –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:12, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Switching to Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:08, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/September 13, 2010 (per consensus; 5 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:09, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

→ Extreme democracy has caused the cultural revolution.
Edit one -  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 09:17, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - Sorry, just don't like it.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 04:00, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

(in favour of the original) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:09, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

→ Excellence and opportunity for each learner.
~ Nerdy Science Dude  (✉ • ✐ • ✍) 00:15, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - Sounds good.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come yell at me!) 00:17, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Neutral - does every newbie need a new article and adoption?  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 00:19, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - they don't need to, but the opportunities are there for them. --Smaug123 (talk) 07:26, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support I found being adopted useful when I started on WP <span style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;padding:1px;">&#0149;martyx&#0149; tk ct gy 15:29, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Neutral because I do not like the first link. "Excellence" reminds me of featured contents/articles/lists/images and portal or awards/barnstars and not of new articles (which generally are STUBS.) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:25, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Switching to Support. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:04, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Neutral - Don't exactly agree... — m o n o   01:33, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/September 12, 2010 (per consensus; 5 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:05, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

=== → From every blush that kindles in thy cheeks, Ten thousand little loves and graces spring To revel in the roses. === Nicholas Rowe (1674–1718), Tamerlane, Act I, Scene I (1701) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 06:36, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak support - pjoef's pretty good at prasing FAs, but I think we're having too much of that.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 10:45, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose in favor of edit one. --I dream of horses (T) @ 05:09, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Support My favorite.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come yell at me!) 18:55, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

in favour of edit 2. Simply south (talk) 15:25, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

====→ From every blush that kindles in thy cheeks, Ten thousand little loves and graces spring, To revel in the roses.==== Edit 1 <span style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;padding:1px;">&#0149;martyx&#0149; tk ct gy 12:12, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Support I like this one the best. --I dream of horses (T) @ 05:09, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - little also modifies graces, which means the graces are also little. Also, spring is a verb where little loves and little graces are the subjects. In other words, it doesn't makes sense to link graces and spring to the same page.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 09:19, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Conditional Support In favor of Original. I like the linking in it better.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come yell at me!) 18:55, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

in favour of edit 2. Simply south (talk) 15:25, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

====→ From every blush that kindles in thy cheeks, Ten thousand little loves and graces spring, To revel in the roses.==== Edit 2 fixed the 'loves and graces' issue. Clearly I need to brush up on my grammar! <span style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;padding:1px;">&#0149;martyx&#0149; tk ct gy 15:48, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Conditional Support Still like the original.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come yell at me!) 18:55, 18 June 2010 (UTC)


 * [[Image:Symbol recycling vote.svg|20px]] Reopened ALL per lack of consensus. Smaug123 (talk) 18:24, 27 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Strong support edit 2 - it works much better! --Smaug123 (talk) 18:13, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Support EDIT 2 ~ Best version! –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:53, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

✅ edit 2' per consensus. Simply south (talk) 15:25, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

=== → Why did she love him? Curious fool! —be still— Is human love the growth of human will? === George Gordon Noel Byron (1788–1824), Lara, Canto II (1814) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:08, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong Support Very good job with this one.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come yell at me!) 05:37, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak oppose - the links are not really linked to each other IMO.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 07:53, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak support I don't like insulting mottos, even mildly insulting ones, but this is good. --I dream of horses (T) @ 00:53, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

(no consensus; 3 in support and 1 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:53, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak oppose because I don't think the links make sense altogether. Per phrase, but not with the entire motto. <font face="Lucida Calligraphy"> PrincessofLlyr royal court 02:43, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Opposeish - links — m o n o   01:34, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south (talk) 15:25, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

=== → What gain I if I win the thing I seek? A dream, a breath, a froth of fleeting joy. Who buys a minute's mirth to wail a week? Or sells eternity to gain a toy?=== No idea how this works, and the linking could most definitely be better. Thoughts? so nia ♫♪ 11:45, 7 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Support Pretty good! I really like the way it rhymes, and it gives a good impact. Don't mean to plead or... er, never mind. Also, there was something I noticed and I forgot to add it. I put it in a separate comment; thats why there's weak support. <em style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC;color:green">Rascal <em style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC;color:yellow">the <em style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC;color:red">Peaceful  (t/a/c) 21:56, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Forgot to add. Why does the arrow link lead to The Rape of Lucrece? Not very good for a motto... <em style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC;color:green">Rascal <em style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC;color:yellow">the <em style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC;color:red">Peaceful  (t/a/c) 22:09, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
 * The point with the arrows is that they link to wherever you got the motto from. If you make up a motto yourself, it has no arrow link. So yes, a slightly unpleasant tooltip, but it is the source of the text I've used. so  nia ♫♪ 22:26, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh. Thanks. Overall Support changed to regular support.
 * Support - I actually think you linked this really well. <font face="Lucida Calligraphy"> PrincessofLlyr royal court 23:09, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - Good job! I like the linkings; I think they work as they are.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 23:38, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak support - I prefer snappier, but it's ok. <font face="Papyrus"> — m o n o    04:23, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

✅ Per consensus.-- LAA Fan  07:10, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

→ May our mountains ever be Freedom's ramparts on the sea
How's this? so nia ♫♪ 08:58, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak support - a bit 'random' to be honest, but otherwise there is nothing wrong with it.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 09:32, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:36, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - ~ Nerdy Science Dude   (✉ • ✐ • ✍) 14:29, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - I like it. Very good message.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 23:27, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

✅ Per consensus.-- LAA Fan  07:06, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

→ Well, nobody's perfect.
Osgood Fielding III portrayed by Joe E. Brown in Some Like It Hot directed by Billy Wilder, written by Robert Thoeren, Michael Logan, Billy Wilder, I. A. L. Diamond; starring Marilyn Monroe, Tony Curtis, Jack Lemmon, George Raft, Joe E. Brown, Pat O'Brien; music composed by Adolph Deutsch; cinematography by Charles Lang; editing by Arthur P. Schmidt (1959) Some Like It Hot "Well, nobody's perfect." –p joe f (talk • contribs) 06:56, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * weak support - erm, uh, yeah.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 08:43, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Conditional Support In favor of Edit 1.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 23:29, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

→ Well, nobody's perfect.
Edit 1 Secret Saturdays  ( talk to me )  16:49, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Tie Between Weak Support and Support—I like it, but the link? I'm not to hot on that. It's alright. Beluga  boy  21:30, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * support- meh, this is a less often used link and a bit more encouraging, so I guess I'll support this version. so  nia ♫♪ 11:03, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - It works. ~ Nerdy Science Dude  (✉ • ✐ • ✍) 01:47, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
 * My Favorite - Purely because it is a less-used link.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 23:29, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - Like the link! <font face="Papyrus"> — m o n o    04:33, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Original and ✅ Edit 1 per consensus.-- LAA Fan  07:04, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

→ Follow the white rabbit.
And here is another.-- Forty two  What colour is the bikeshed? 08:45, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - doesn't make sense. Simply south (talk) 16:58, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Question Hrm? <em style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC;color:green">Rascal <em style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC;color:yellow">the <em style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC;color:red">Peaceful  (t/a/c) 21:58, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - I happen to like it. It works - the White Rabbit was a signal for Neo to go with the good guys and escape from the Matrix; in that respect, the White Rabbit was an introduction to the world of the Matrix. --Smaug123 (talk) 21:30, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose That's true but we can't expect all the readers to have watch and also remember the Matrix. The motto should be easy to understand. Derild  49  21  ☼  22:43, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I agree with Derild.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 23:26, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - Whaaaaaat? <font face="Papyrus"> — m o n o    04:36, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Per consensus.-- LAA Fan  06:59, 12 July 2010 (UTC) ===→ From a pound of iron worth a few pennies can be made many thousand watch-springs, which are worth hundreds of thousands. Put to good use the pound that God has given you.=== Not sure if the links here make much sense (or if the agnostics and atheists will like the mentioning of God here), but it's worth a try. For the record, I'm not trying to make any statement outside that which Schumann already has - that of encouragement. By the by, should I link to Robert Schumann or to Album für die Jugend, where he writes that? &mdash; La Pianista  ♫ ♪ 04:40, 6 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 06:56, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * support- I like it :) so  nia ♫♪ 07:34, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support Good message. Derild  49  21  ☼  14:32, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - wonderful for newbies who keep getting stub tags on their articles!  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 01:03, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong Support - Perfect linking!  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 23:28, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak support - Decent, but not quite as snappy as I'd like. as snappy as it'll get....<font face="Papyrus"> — m o n o    04:13, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh Snap - How can I make it better? &mdash; La Pianista  ♫ ♪ 04:17, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't think you can. <font face="Papyrus"> — m o n o    04:34, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

✅ Per consensus.-- LAA Fan  06:56, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

→ The future is just like you imagined.
Secret Saturdays  ( talk to me )  23:40, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak Support - It works, just seems a bit... I don't know. It just seems a bit something. I fixed the link.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come yell at me!) 23:43, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - works for me.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 00:20, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support ~ Short and to the point! –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:27, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support. ~ Nerdy Science Dude  (✉ • ✐ • ✍) 01:45, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - I hope the future is great... <font face="Papyrus"> — m o n o   (how's my driving?) 02:56, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Tiny support - So the future is just as we thought it would be. How exciting! :D Will work on a slow news day. &mdash; La Pianista  ♫ ♪ 02:02, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

✅ Per consensus.-- LAA Fan  06:52, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

→ Say hello to my little friend!
How is this one? I wonder if it has been used before.-- Forty two  Thanks for all the fish! 18:18, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong oppose - used on 22 Nov, 2007.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 12:25, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong oppose - same here and it sound like something a violent outlaw would say. <em style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC;color:green">Rascal <em style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC;color:yellow">the <em style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC;color:red">Peaceful  (t/a/c) 21:26, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong Oppose - Used before!  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 23:36, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - Used. <font face="Papyrus"> — m o n o    04:24, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
 * - Already used. <font face="Papyrus"> — m o n o    04:24, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

→ It's alive! It's alive!
I have another one.-- Forty two  What colour is the bikeshed? 09:06, 3 July 2010 (UTC) Support - It sure is alive, as it becomes live on MOTD — m o n o   01:37, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - funny and effective. I wonder if Special:RecentChanges would also work. Simply south (talk) 15:29, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - if it hasn't been used before.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 11:40, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong oppose - per pjoef.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 06:24, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support <span style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;padding:1px;">&#0149;martyx&#0149; tk ct gy 10:11, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong Oppose ~ I have nothing against the "reuse" of mottos, but this phrase was used too recently (May 17, 2010). –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:34, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - reused. — m o n o   01:40, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - No reusing!  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 23:27, 11 July 2010 (UTC)


 * - Reused <font face="Papyrus"> — m o n o    04:14, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

→ Fiat mors (Let there be death)
 Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 13:15, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - Even more morbid than edit 1 :). Smaug123 (talk) 16:35, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak Oppose My thoughts exactly. And what is the → supposed to be?  Hi 8 7 8   (Come yell at me!) 18:27, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

→ Fiat mors (Let there be death)
Edit one -  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 13:15, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak support oppose - it's a bit morbid, isn't it? And the link is red.... --Smaug123 (talk) 16:35, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak Oppose - Morbid describes it perfectly. The → is a redlink...  Hi 8 7 8   (Come yell at me!) 18:27, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose both - There is absolutely nothing encouraging, funny, or thought-provoking about that. It's just plain (say it again) ...morbid! <font face="Lucida Calligraphy"> PrincessofLlyr royal court 18:39, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment - if you want a blue link, then write an article about J. L. Carrell. I think she's notable enough.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 06:21, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose (both versions) <span style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;padding:1px;">&#0149;martyx&#0149; tk ct gy 15:11, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Fiat lux (Let there be light!)
Edit 2 - completely different meaning to it! With my support. --Smaug123 (talk) 21:50, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong Oppose - Used on June 14. :)  Hi 8 7 8   (Come yell at me!) 21:53, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Really?! That recently! My sanity may never return! --Smaug123 (talk) 21:55, 28 June 2010 (UTC)


 * [[Image:Nuvola gnome-fs-trash-full.svg|25px]] Thrown out - Per me withdrawing it in a last burst of sanity, with 1 for and 1 plus me against. --Smaug123 (talk) 21:55, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Thrown out ALL - Per WP:SNOW, with 0 for and 2 and 3 against. --Smaug123 (talk) 21:35, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

→ Politics is the art of the possible.
Secret Saturdays  ( talk to me )  23:37, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose So editing Wikipedia is like being a politician?  Hi 8 7 8   (Come yell at me!) 01:41, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose because of the second link.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 14:07, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

→ Politics is the art of the possible.
Edit 1 ~ We may also use "Founding principles" as an alternative for the last link: (User:Jimbo Wales/Statement of principles). –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:04, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose Same as above.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come yell at me!) 02:29, 23 June 2010 (UTC)


 * [[Image:Symbol recycling vote.svg|20px]] Reopened per lack of consensus. Smaug123 (talk) 18:31, 29 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Oppose - I don't see how it makes sense, IMO.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 05:34, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Symbol oppose vote.svg Ditto. ~ Nerdy Science Dude  (✉ • ✐ • ✍) 00:00, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - policy is not the same as politics. <font face="Lucida Calligraphy"> PrincessofLlyr royal court 13:16, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment: Policies are made by "politics" through negotiating and compromising between different interests. Anyway, I do not like it too (^___^). –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:50, 6 July 2010 (UTC)


 * [[Image:Nuvola gnome-fs-trash-full.svg|25px]] Thrown out - Everyone hates it., with 0 for and 5 against. --<font face="Papyrus"> — m o n o   (how's my driving?) 02:57, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Do what you're supposed to do; don't do what you're not supposed to do.
Nominated by ~ Nerdy Science Dude  (✉ • ✐) at 01:54, 17 June 2010 (UTC).
 * Weak Support Bland, but it works.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come yell at me!) 02:38, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Switched to Conditional Support in favor of Edit 1. Hi878 isn't home.   (Can I take a message?) 17:45, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment - starting an article isn't what you're 'supposed to do' when, for example, your spelling is rubbish or you have a CoI. Is this a quote, or did you make this up NerdyScienceDude?  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 05:46, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I made a new one using WP:CLEAN instead of WP:SAA. ~ Nerdy Science Dude  (✉ • ✐) 12:32, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Kayau, look at his userpage, it says where it came from. Hi878 isn't home.   (Can I take a message?) 17:45, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
 * It's been moot for a few days. It came from my seventh grade lang/lit teacher. I removed it in favor of a WP:APPLE advertisement since the motto was displayed there since I created my account. Anyway, I came up with a way to incorporate it with some things in Wikipedia. I might put it back. ~ Nerdy Science Dude  (✉ • ✐) 18:04, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
 * No consensus. AirplanePro RadioChecklist 02:40, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Do what you're supposed to do; don't do what you're not supposed to do.
Edit 1 using WP:CLEAN. ~ Nerdy Science Dude  (✉ • ✐) 12:30, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak Support Still bland, but a better bland. Hi878 isn't home.   (Can I take a message?) 17:45, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose Both versions.. you aren't supposed to do anything you don't want to IMHO <span style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;padding:1px;">&#0149;martyx&#0149; tk ct gy 22:37, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose both versions - still kind of not very, to use Nutiketiael's word, 'motto-y'.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 10:43, 18 June 2010 (UTC)


 * [[Image:Symbol recycling vote.svg|20px]] Reopened per lack of consensus. Smaug123 (talk) 18:17, 29 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Oppose - as the others point out, you don't have to do anything. Just very underwhelming. <font face="Lucida Calligraphy"> PrincessofLlyr royal court 02:36, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Opppose: boring. <font face="Papyrus"> — m o n o   (how's my driving?) 02:59, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Nuvola gnome-fs-trash-full.svg|25px]] Thrown out - Consensus: too bland, with 1 (weak) for and 4 against. --<font face="Papyrus"> — m o n o   (how's my driving?) 02:59, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

=== → Who has not seen that feeling born of flame Crimson the cheek at mention of a name? The rapturous touch of some divine surprise Flash deep suffusion of celestial dyes: When hands clasped hands, and lips to lips were pressed And the heart's secret was at once confessed? === Abraham Coles (1813–1891), The Microcosm and Other Poems: "Man" (1881) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 06:46, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong support - It's great - the links work really well. Smaug123 (talk) 08:07, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
 * support - a bit odd, to be honest, but I suppose it's good enough.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 09:54, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - Looks fine. But where is the → supposed to go?  Hi 8 7 8   (Come yell at me!) 20:05, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak support I'm not a big fan of the link being the entire sentence as it can 'dilute' the meaning. Good though <span style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;padding:1px;">&#0149;martyx&#0149; tk ct gy 15:15, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment Is the redlink supposed to be Abraham Colles? •martyx•
 * Reply: Yes it is. I think that Abraham Colles deserves (at least) an article on Wikipedia, but I don't have enough material to start it. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:45, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

====→ Who has not seen that feeling born of flame Crimson the cheek at mention of a name? The rapturous touch of some divine surprise Flash deep suffusion of celestial dyes: When hands clasped hands, and lips to lips were pressed And the heart's secret was at once confessed?==== Edit 1 As per my WP:JDLI comment <span style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;padding:1px;">&#0149;martyx&#0149; tk ct gy 15:35, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Original and ✅ Edit 1 as there was support, but a red link for the source of the quote. Edit one fixes that.-- LAA Fan  00:58, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Newcomer: Where am I? Wiseman: A place where we help out.
Just thought of this one somewhere. Beluga boy  13:21, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - simple. Simply south (talk) 13:49, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support Nice and eas Derild  49  21  ☼  14:30, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - it works. <font face="Lucida Calligraphy"> PrincessofLlyr royal court 14:59, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support Secret Saturdays   ( talk to me )  22:24, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak support - the 'we' link is unnecessary, and comparing admin to wiseman is strange. Is this original or a quote?  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 12:28, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

✅ Per consensus.-- LAA Fan  00:52, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

→ I'm feeling supersonic, give me gin and tonic
Line from Oasis' debut single Supersonic. Not sure about the links, any improvement suggestions? It's Malpass 93! (drop me a ___) 18:01, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong Oppose So... FAs and GAs are like alcohol? Wouldn't that be a bad message?  Hi 8 7 8   (Come yell at me!) 01:38, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - that's the siliest thing I've ever heard of! I'm an admin. Please give me an FA and a GA. LOL!  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 10:41, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

→ I'm feeling supersonic, give me gin and tonic
Edit 1. How 'bout this folks? <span style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;padding:1px;">&#0149;martyx&#0149; tk ct gy 12:24, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment Thanks. Much better. It's Malpass 93! (drop me a ___) 13:32, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak support  - another one of our boring ones.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 14:06, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak oppose - now that I think of it again it's still rather silly, though an improvement over the original.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 05:01, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose Same reason as above; articles are alcohol?  Hi 8 7 8   (Come yell at me!) 18:50, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose all - sorry, this one simply doesn't make sense to me. <font face="Lucida Calligraphy"> PrincessofLlyr royal court 00:39, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

→ I'm feeling supersonic.
Edit 2 ~ Well, I was thinking to barnstars and other awards for "gin and tonic", but I prefer Vodka to Gin, and Capiroska (2 shots of vodka, 1 whole lime chopped or in wedges, 2 teaspons of golden sugar, crushed ice. Muddle the wedges and sugar in a tumbler, top with crushed ice, pour vodka over ice. Stir and serve! ~ LOL) to Gin & Tonic. (^___^) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:20, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak oppose - I think as we are having too many bold quotes, we should save the bold idea until we have one that is really, really good.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 08:30, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak Oppose Thank you Kayau! I totally agree, and I'm glad I'm not the only only one thinking that.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come yell at me!) 02:27, 23 June 2010 (UTC)


 * [[Image:Symbol recycling vote.svg|20px]] Reopened per lack of consensus. Smaug123 (talk) 18:18, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I question the no consensus reopen. All of the !votes are oppose - how is that not consensus? <font face="Lucida Calligraphy"> PrincessofLlyr royal court 18:23, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
 * The nominator counts as a support, and usually there should be a majority of three.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come yell at me!) 18:35, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

AirplanePro RadioChecklist 02:47, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

→ I'm feeling supersonic; give me gin and tonic.
It's a different message: Wikipedia is saying 'Create new articles; stub or FA, it's all good, and I'm getting bigger all the time!' --Smaug123 (talk) 17:51, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong Oppose - Enough with the alcohol!  Hi 8 7 8   (Come yell at me!) 17:54, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose all - rhyming is catchy, but I just don't like it. <font face="Lucida Calligraphy"> PrincessofLlyr royal court 19:54, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - how is WP:ABOUT anything to do with 'me'? :P  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 00:12, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose all It's not working for me <span style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;padding:1px;">&#0149;martyx&#0149; tk ct gy 10:20, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

All versions per consensus.-- LAA Fan  00:49, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

→ Apply here for the best job in the world.
Another one from The Seems! Derild 49  21  ☼  13:41, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - it seems to be telling people not to have an RfA!  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 01:26, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - RfA is the worst job in the world. — m o n o   01:35, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong Oppose—Ok, I admit, it's nice and all, but really, being an admin is no big deal. Jimbo even once said, quote: "I might as well go semi-willy-nilly making Wikipedians sysops. It's no big deal. A sysop only gets a few extra privilages." Endquote. Beluga  boy  14:00, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong oppose - in favor of edit 1 ~ Nerdy Science Dude  (✉ • ✐ • ✍) 14:31, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

→ Apply here for the best job in the world.
Edit One Changed the message completely. Derild 49  21  ☼  13:26, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
 * support- this is fantastic. so  nia ♫♪ 23:06, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support Edit 1 <span style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;padding:1px;">&#0149;martyx&#0149; tk ct gy 10:08, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment - request an account to become an editor, because it's thte best job in Wikipedia? :-X  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 01:36, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support on condition that world doesn't link to Wikipedia. Naturally, being an editor is the only job around here. &mdash; La Pianista  ♫ ♪ 04:26, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support Edit 1&2. Edit 2 with an unlinked "world" is below, but if it is the only job around here, it is also the best. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:07, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Unbelieveably Strong Support—Much better than the other one. Admins are not to be treated like kings and are just as good as everybody else. Nice job!!!!! Beluga  boy  14:02, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - Much better than the first one. ~ Nerdy Science Dude  (✉ • ✐ • ✍) 14:30, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Original and ✅ Edit 1 per consensus.-- LAA Fan  00:46, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

→ Apply here for the best job in the world.
Edit 2 per La Pianista. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:07, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, this one is better. so  nia ♫♪ 09:50, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm more in favor of Edit1, but this is nice too. Beluga  boy  14:03, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support this one - I completely agree with La Pianista.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 06:24, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

→ A good listener is not only popular everywhere, but after a while he gets to know something.
Unsure of my final link <span style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;padding:1px;">&#0149;martyx&#0149; tk ct gy 11:23, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - sorry, the last link doesn't really work.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 12:05, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose Bad last link.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come yell at me!) 23:38, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak oppose - per above. WVRMAD • Talk  • Guestbook   17:48, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
 * per consensus. AirplanePro RadioChecklist 02:46, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

→ A good listener is not only popular everywhere, but after a while he gets to know something.
Edit 1. Being WP:Civil is a popular trait and will improve one's own WP:Etiquette. <span style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;padding:1px;">&#0149;martyx&#0149; tk ct gy 12:32, 14 June 2010 (UTC) AirplanePro RadioChecklist 02:45, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Conditional Support - if mine fails. <font face="Lucida Calligraphy"> PrincessofLlyr royal court 14:15, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak oppose it's rather confusing IMO. And I've added the full stops.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 14:42, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose I don't know, seems kind of weird...  Hi 8 7 8   (Come yell at me!) 23:38, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Very weak oppose - Better than the original version but still a bit odd and without a clear meaning. WVRMAD • Talk  • Guestbook   18:56, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

→ A good listener is not only popular everywhere, but after a while he gets to know something.
Edit 2. Similar, but with slightly different links. <font face="Lucida Calligraphy"> PrincessofLlyr royal court 14:15, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak oppose same reason as above.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 14:42, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak Oppose The best of the three, but I still don't like it.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come yell at me!) 23:38, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Support ~ Why not? I like it! –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:32, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Neutral - Still not particually good, but the best version. Unless we're low on mottos I wouldn't use it. WVRMAD • Talk  • Guestbook   18:58, 22 June 2010 (UTC)


 * [[Image:Symbol recycling vote.svg|20px]] Reopened per lack of consensus. Smaug123 (talk) 08:37, 25 June 2010 (UTC)


 * [[Image:Symbol recycling vote.svg|20px]] Reopened per lack of consensus. — m o n o   01:42, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Mottos can only be reopened once.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 10:51, 7 July 2010 (UTC)


 * However Smaug123 did reopen this too early. Simply south (talk) 21:40, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Per consensus.-- LAA Fan  00:44, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Third time's the charm
Simply south (talk) 15:27, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support works well, brings a good message.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 01:25, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support <span style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;padding:1px;">&#0149;martyx&#0149; tk ct gy 10:07, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - —  m o n o   01:34, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 06:57, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/September 1, 2010 (per WP:SNOW; 5 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 11:22, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

===→ If such a man be fit to govern, speak. I am as I have spoken.=== Just thought I'd join the Shakespeare party :) This could also be linked to RfA or something, suggestions? so  nia ♫♪ 09:58, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - works for me.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 11:52, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support Yes but I still don't like whole sentence linking! :\ <span style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;padding:1px;">&#0149;martyx&#0149; tk ct gy 10:10, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
 * How about only linking "speak", then? Same link, same message. Would you be agreeable with that? so  nia ♫♪ 10:15, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support either way. Big link, little link, it's no difference to me. As long as there is one, that is. &mdash; La Pianista  ♫ ♪ 04:29, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support ~ "Fit to govern!" –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:14, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/August 31, 2010 (per WP:SNOW; 5 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 11:19, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

→ Give thy thoughts no tongue, Nor any unproportion’d thought his act.
This would need to go through some editing I suppose.-- Forty two  What colour is the bikeshed? 09:29, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support I like this one too! Derild 49  21  ☼  12:58, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - That fits perfectly. <font face="Lucida Calligraphy"> PrincessofLlyr royal court 13:10, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support <span style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;padding:1px;">&#0149;martyx&#0149; tk ct gy 10:10, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:26, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/August 30, 2010 (per WP:SNOW; 5 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 11:14, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

→ Do not use a hatchet to remove a fly from your friend's forehead.
Okay, here goes my first attempt at MOTD.-- Forty two  What colour is the bikeshed? 08:26, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - good enough for me.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 08:42, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - wow, that's pretty good for a first motto! <font face="Lucida Calligraphy"> PrincessofLlyr royal court 13:12, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support <span style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;padding:1px;">&#0149;martyx&#0149; tk ct gy 10:12, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - Good one. — m o n o   01:38, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support ~ I always use a hatchet for doing that ... and the presence of a fly is not required (^____^) ... I'm kidding, of course. Excellent proverb and the wlink fits perfectly with it. Well done! –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:47, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/August 29, 2010 (per consensus; 6 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 11:08, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

→ I must govern the clock, not be governed by it.
Maybe better first link? so nia ♫♪ 08:13, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - and did you steal the sig from User:La Pianista? :D  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 12:51, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Huh- actually, I didn't. I had them in my sig when I first started, and decided to go back to basics. Didn't realize hers was so similar... I'm becoming like my adopter! o_O so  nia ♫♪ 19:54, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Wait, that reminds me. Ah, I remember now. Ages ago your sig contained these... Sorry Sonia.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 13:21, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Reminds me of Iridescent's... Simply south (talk) 17:01, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
 * .....Good grief. I changed it because it was too complex- and because it looked like Nihiltres's.  so  nia ♫♪ 21:46, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - nice variety. <font face="Lucida Calligraphy"> PrincessofLlyr royal court 13:15, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support <span style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;padding:1px;">&#0149;martyx&#0149; tk ct gy 15:30, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - I like it.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come yell at me!) 18:42, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support ~ This is excellent, I really like it! –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:17, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/August 28, 2010 (per consensus; 6 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 11:05, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

===→ Being the richest man in the cemetery doesn't matter to me ... Going to bed at night saying we've done something wonderful... that's what matters to me.=== Secret Saturdays  ( talk to me )  01:51, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak oppose it brings a good message, but a bit extreme.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 04:25, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
 * support, it's very good, and I don't understand Kayau's oppose. {&#123; Sonia &#124;ping&#124;enlist}&#125; 04:40, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Reply it looks like that edit counts can kill people!  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 05:09, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
 * And what has that got to do with the Wikibooks contribs of the person you linked to? {&#123; Sonia &#124;ping&#124;enlist}&#125; 09:01, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
 * reply - oh, he's really famous for having a giant edit count... but never mind.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 11:10, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak Oppose Per Kayau; since when did editcountitis kill people?  Hi 8 7 8   (Come yell at me!) 19:06, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Since when did being rich kill people? He's saying that, when he is gone and all his actions are what are left to judge him by, he'd rather not be known as the richest man but the one who did the most for others. The same applies here; when we leave Wikipedia for whatever reason, I'm sure we would rather be remembered for (helping newbies/writing stellar FAs/being a good mediator) than solely for having one billion edits. {&#123; Sonia &#124;ping&#124;enlist}&#125; 07:02, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I still think it is rather strange to compare the edit coutn to money... though is it rather trivial?  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 08:45, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I think it works, it's something most of us strive for even though many recognize that it's not actually necessary or that important. We tend to judge people by edit count first, like we judge people by status (wealth) first. {&#123; Sonia &#124;ping&#124;enlist}&#125; 08:56, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, but I just don't like it.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come yell at me!) 02:30, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't judge people by the edit count alone; I judge people by the percentage of edits done in the mainspace multiplied by the edit count. :P  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 02:14, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Reopened per lack of consensus. Smaug123 (talk) 18:30, 29 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Support - I happen to like it; the message is good. Smaug123 (talk) 17:47, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Support- actually, I like this one. It makes sense to me. <font face="Lucida Calligraphy"> PrincessofLlyr royal court 02:35, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - Makes sense. ~ Nerdy Science Dude  (✉ • ✐ • ✍) 03:03, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak support <span style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;padding:1px;">&#0149;martyx&#0149; tk ct gy 10:20, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:53, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/August 27, 2010 (per consensus; 7 in support and 2 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 11:01, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

→ You can checkout any time you like, But you can never leave.
The last lyric from the song "Hotel California", the motto means that anyone can vandalize articles, but once we catch you, you'll be blocked. Secret Saturdays  ( talk to me )  16:25, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - in favour of Edit 1 (and 'cos the links are really a bit odd - sorry!). Smaug123 (talk) 18:10, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - Don't like the links, below is better.   Hi 8 7 8   (Come yell at me!) 20:07, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

(in favour of Edit 1) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 10:56, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

→ You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave.
Edit 1 ~ A bit more humorous, I think - a WP:HOLIC can keep taking breaks, but he will always come back. --Smaug123 (talk) 18:10, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
 * support- but hasn't anyone realized this? It's epic awesomeness. {&#123; Sonia &#124;ping&#124;enlist}&#125; 19:56, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - I love it!  Hi 8 7 8   (Come yell at me!) 20:07, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
 * support - yep, this is much better! <font face="Lucida Calligraphy"> PrincessofLlyr royal court 18:25, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak support - it would be great if something could be done with the last link...  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 00:10, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support <span style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;padding:1px;">&#0149;martyx&#0149; tk ct gy 15:27, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Super strong support I was lurking here when I spotted this. And I had to vote. !vote.-- Forty two  What colour is the bikeshed? 07:46, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
 * This is not a vote; this is a comment.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 13:18, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment- I do understand that Wikipedia is not democracy. In light of the concerns raised by Kayau here and PrincessofLlyr at my talk page I would like to amend my statement above. I did not intend to subvert consensus by voting and had done so only in error. I hope to be excused and thank the editors who pointed out my mistake.-- Forty two  Ehh, what's up doc? 14:56, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support + Comment: Forty two, there is NO problem and you do not need to apologize. No Worries! –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:17, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/August 26, 2010 (per consensus; 8 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 10:56, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

===→ Saat kaç? ("What time is it?") === Secret Saturdays  ( talk to me )  22:28, 21 June 2010 (UTC) ✅ per consenus. Secret Saturdays  ( talk to me )  03:35, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak Support ??? Maybe? But what is the point?  Hi 8 7 8   (Come yell at me!) 00:49, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm changing to Oppose. I just don't see the point in this motto.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come yell at me!) 03:24, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak Support ~ I think that the point is the automated time&date displays (^___^). Question: Sorry for my ignorance, but was Mustafa Kemal Atatürk the first man to ask what time it is? (I'm kidding, of course) What is its origin (and meaning)? Is it a book or a quote taken from a speech or something? –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:06, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak support - yeah, it's no difference from saying quelle heure est-il or even saying it in English...  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 08:43, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Reply they were the last words spoken by him before he died; he said that because he wanted to live to see the ecomonic growth and Liberalization of Turkey before he would die. Secret Saturdays   ( talk to me )  04:15, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I thought it was something like that. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:00, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Symbol recycling vote.svg|20px]] Reopened per the discussion on talkpage Secret Saturdays   ( talk to me )  19:16, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

✐ • ✍) 03:08, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak support - it's a bit un-motto-y (to use Nutiketaiel's word). Smaug123 (talk) 08:14, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - it's different, and that can be good. <font face="Lucida Calligraphy"> PrincessofLlyr royal court 02:39, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support per PrincessofLlyr. ~ Nerdy Science Dude  (✉ •
 * Support <span style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;padding:1px;">&#0149;martyx&#0149; tk ct gy 15:09, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/August 25, 2010 (per consensus; 7 in support and 1 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 10:00, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

→ Try looking into that place where you dare not look! You'll find me there, staring out at you!
I think it's funny, personally. Hi878 (talk) 03:17, 5 June 2010 (UTC) (no consensus for a month)  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 09:32, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - Yep, like it. You've got a whole string of good ones here. <font face="Lucida Calligraphy"> PrincessofLlyr royal court 02:55, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Support – The links don't match all that well, but the quote is alright. — MC10 ( T • C • GB •L)  05:23, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose ~ I do not like the links here. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:59, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment Withdrawn; I like Edit 1 much better.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come yell at me!) 05:32, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Never mind.. Now that I think about it, I like them both, so let's just see what happens.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come yell at me!) 22:38, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment I'm just going to explain my linking; see what you all think. First I'm trying to be funny. I'm saying that people don't like going near WP:AIV as a joke, and what they find there are vandals, on the list, "staring out". Just thought I might as well clear that up, in case any of you were confused.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come yell at me!) 23:32, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - love it and the books! --Smaug123 (talk) 20:56, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose -  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 09:32, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

→ Try looking into that place where you dare not look! You'll find me there, staring out at you!
Edit 1 ~ What about this? –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:59, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Conditional Support I didn't even think of socks! Good job. Support if mine fails.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come yell at me!) 05:32, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Neutral - um, it seems like this one is implying that a majority of contributors are socks...  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 10:36, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

BOTH VERSIONS per lack of consensus. Hi 8 7 8  (Come yell at me!) 01:09, 22 June 2010 (UTC) (no consensus for a month)  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 09:32, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose Nope <span style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;padding:1px;">&#0149;martyx&#0149; tk ct gy 10:21, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

→ Man is not made for defeat. A man can be destroyed but not defeated.
And now for some Hemingway. Not sure if you'll all like the way I linked man, but I think it can work in this case. Hi878 (talk) 03:17, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - Yes, in this case, I think it works. I like that. <font face="Lucida Calligraphy"> PrincessofLlyr royal court 13:21, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose ~ Are you saying that an article can be destroyed but not defeated? Sorry, but I am not able to understand it. "Destroyed" makes me think of Criteria for speedy deletion (shortcut: WP:CSD). "Defeat" and "defeated" could be linked to Administrator intervention against vandalism (shortcut: WP:AIV), Counter-Vandalism Unit (shortcut: WP:CVU), Anti-Vandalism Project, Cleaning up vandalism (shortcut: WP:CUV), Anti-Vandal initiative, and/or User:Lupin/Anti-vandal tool (shortcut: WP:LAVT). –p joe f (talk • contribs) 10:38, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
 * What I was thinking is that destroyed meant blanked, or something like that, but it isn't defeated, because it is reverted. I'll put up a new version that makes it more obvious.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come yell at me!) 05:27, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - not really understandable to me.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 07:56, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Man, or an article, can be destroyed (such as blanked), but it isn't defeated, because someone undoes the blanking, and all is well.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come yell at me!) 22:49, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak support - Edit 1 version is better. WVRMAD • Talk  • Guestbook   17:23, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Symbol declined.svg|20px]] Declined - No consensus for weeks, with 2 for and 1 against. -- Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 13:12, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

→ Man is not made for defeat. A man can be destroyed but not defeated.
Edit 1. Added a link. Hi 8 7 8  (Come yell at me!) 05:27, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose, same reason as aboce.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 07:56, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Same explanation as above; I added the CVU link to emphasize that the destruction (blanking) isn't permanent, someone reverts the vandalism.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come yell at me!) 22:49, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Reply - I think you're being a bit too optimistic here. :) Last summer I read on the signpost that a significant percentage of vandalism was never reverted. Also, an article can be 'destroyed' if it does not fit in the inclusion criteria.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 06:28, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
 * And what is wrong with optimism? :) Hi878 isn't home.   (Can I take a message?) 15:51, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - I like the motto, and I agree with Hi878, it's good to be perhaps a little too optimistic, there's no point having a moto going Man is made for defeat or something like that. WVRMAD • Talk  • Guestbook   17:21, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Symbol declined.svg|20px]] Declined - No consensus for weeks, with 1 for and 1 against. -- Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 13:12, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

→ Man is not made for defeat. A man can be destroyed but not defeated.
Edit 2. Meh :\ <span style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;padding:1px;">&#0149;martyx&#0149; tk ct gy 10:53, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak Oppose I like all of it much better than mine, except for the last link.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come yell at me!) 23:34, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose per Hi878.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 10:32, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak oppose - I like the begining but the last link doesn't make sense. WVRMAD • Talk  • Guestbook   17:18, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

ALL VERSIONS per lack of consensus. Hi 8 7 8  (Come yell at me!) 01:09, 22 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Support Edit 1 (and eventually the original) ~ I had not thought about the "page blanking". I think that both the original version and edit 1 work, but edit 1 is better. I oppose edit 2. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 06:54, 22 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Oppose - Sorry, they just seem a little disjointed and/or pessimistic. --Smaug123 (talk) 08:46, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Pessimistic? I'm saying that articles can't be defeated; isn't that a positive thing?  Hi 8 7 8   (Come yell at me!) 02:25, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Support Edit 1 or conditionally the original, Oppose Edit 2. <font face="Lucida Calligraphy"> PrincessofLlyr royal court 02:47, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Symbol declined.svg|20px]] Declined - No consensus for weeks, with 4 for and 0 against. -- Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 13:12, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

→ It's not the size of the man. It's the magic inside him
It's a quote from The Split Second. Thought I'd give it a try! Derild 49  21  ☼  17:35, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong support - Love it! Smaug123 (talk) 17:45, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong Support - Perfect!  Hi 8 7 8   (Come yell at me!) 17:51, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Support! - it's simply perfect. <font face="Lucida Calligraphy"> PrincessofLlyr royal court 23:06, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Very strong support since I really like it! ~ Nerdy Science Dude  (✉ • ✐ • ✍) 23:57, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - aw, not fair. Why must I be the fifth to support when I could be the first? :(  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 00:22, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 * strong support- the quote itself is a little strange imo, but the linking is brilliant. so  nia ♫♪ 08:15, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support <span style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;padding:1px;">&#0149;martyx&#0149; tk ct gy 15:28, 1 July 2010 (UTC)


 * ✅ per WP:SNOW (per consensus, no rationale for opposition), with 7 supports and no opposes.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 13:05, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

→ Hatred does not cease by hatred, but only by love.
Secret Saturdays  ( talk to me )  22:19, 26 June 2010 (UTC) ✅ per WP:SNOW Secret Saturdays   ( talk to me )  01:16, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support Seems like it will work.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come yell at me!) 00:40, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak support - like, we're having TONS of those.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 02:06, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 06:55, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - It works. ~ Nerdy Science Dude  (✉ • ✐ • ✍) 03:06, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support <span style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;padding:1px;">&#0149;martyx&#0149; tk ct gy 15:09, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

→ Ah, Pedro, it's good that you've finally learnt to trust others.
I'm not so sure about this one. Ami said this somewhere in the trilogy, and I was reading the Chinese translation not the original Spanish.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 01:29, 23 June 2010 (UTC) ✅ per WP:SNOW Secret Saturdays   ( talk to me )  02:39, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support Good one.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come yell at me!) 02:26, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Support <span style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;padding:1px;">&#0149;martyx&#0149; tk ct gy 10:49, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak oppose due to the arrow link going to a disambiguation page, and I can't work out where it should point. Support --Smaug123 (talk) 19:49, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment it's this.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 06:11, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Support ~ I added the book and an anchor for Ami (Child of the Stars) in the disambiguation page. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:35, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - good. <font face="Lucida Calligraphy"> PrincessofLlyr royal court 02:41, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Variety is the spice of life
Don't know if this has been used before, but I couldn't find it. --Smaug123 (talk) 16:58, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Conditional Support If mine doesn't pass.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come yell at me!) 01:20, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose both - a Wikipedia, like any other encyclopaedia, has a 'variety' of articles so IMO this isn't particularly meaningful.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 06:09, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Withdraw this original one, in favour of edit 1 below. --Smaug123 (talk) 08:37, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Thrown out - withdrawn by nominator, with 1 for and 2 against; edit 1 below stands. -- Hi 8 7 8   (Come yell at me!) 23:57, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Variety is the spice of life
Maybe this would be more appropriate? Hi 8 7 8  (Come yell at me!) 01:20, 25 June 2010 (UTC) ✅ for Motto of the day/August 20, 2010 (per consenus, 5 supports and 0 opposes) Secret Saturdays   ( talk to me )  02:04, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment - the idea behind mine was that wikifying articles was a bit boring unless the articles themselves were interesting - I considered linking to Wikipedia, but I decided that linking to a WikiProject was preferable. Let's see what everyone else thinks! --Smaug123 (talk) 06:05, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Support Works for me <span style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;padding:1px;">&#0149;martyx&#0149; tk ct gy 13:54, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Support per WP:SNOW on the last one :) --Smaug123 (talk) 08:37, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:05, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - seriously, we haven't used this before? <font face="Lucida Calligraphy"> PrincessofLlyr royal court 02:40, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

→ But why a hundred men against a single poet?
Not sure of the links for this one; do you all think that they work? Hi878 (talk) 03:17, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - Actually, I really like this one! Granted, the numbers aren't exact, but it does feel that there more vandals than vandal-fighters many times. <font face="Lucida Calligraphy"> PrincessofLlyr royal court 13:13, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Very-Very Weak Support because I do not like the last link. There are a lot more editors than vandals. Also, "single poet" is in the singular form. What about using Long-term abuse (shortcut: WP:LTA) or Most vandalized pages (shortcut: WP:MVP) for the last link? –p joe f (talk • contribs) 10:48, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
 * There are a lot more editors than vandals, but whenever I go out vandal hunting, it seems to me like there are far more vandals than editors; we just have the advantage of vandal-fighting tools. And yes, it is singular, but I was thinking of it as a ratio, which I would think still works.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come yell at me!) 05:30, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * And really, at any given time, there are more vandals than vandal-fighters, which is more what I was aiming at.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come yell at me!) 06:00, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - well, not much of a meaning here.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 07:57, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Vandal-fighting seems to me like we are outnumbered quite a bit by the vandals, so that's what I was aiming at.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come yell at me!) 22:36, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose Sorry doesn't do it for me <span style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;padding:1px;">&#0149;martyx&#0149; tk ct gy 10:50, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - It seems to imply that editors are being overwhelmed by vandals. WVRMAD • Talk  • Guestbook   17:11, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not saying we are overwhelmed; merely that there are more of them than of the vandal-fighters, usually, and it can seem a bit unfair. And yes, there are more vandals; the fact that I sometimes revert ten different users in as many seconds is proof of that.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come yell at me!) 19:10, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

per lack of consensus. Hi 8 7 8  (Come yell at me!) 01:09, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Symbol declined.svg|20px]] Declined - no consensus, with 2 for and 3 against. -- Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 00:17, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

→ But why a hundred men against a single poet?
Edit 1 per me, with my support --Smaug123 (talk) 18:37, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak Oppose From my "non-biased position", I think that mine is better.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come yell at me!) 01:22, 25 June 2010 (UTC)


 * [[Image:Symbol declined.svg|20px]] Declined - no consensus, with 0 for and 1 against. -- Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 00:17, 1 July 2010 (UTC)