Wikipedia:Motto of the day/Nominations/Archive 32

===→ A truth that's told with bad intent Beats all the lies you can invent.=== From Auguries of Innocence, which has so many more potential mottos hidden in it :) sonia ♫  10:08, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - Well then, by all means, nominate them!  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 21:01, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - I agree. ~  Nerdy Science  Dude  22:17, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - catchy, true, and elegantly phrased. :) Clementina   talk  11:02, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:03, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/January 16, 2011 (per consensus; 5 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:58, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Come one, Come all
Simply south (talk) 21:30, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - Good message.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 00:43, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Support ~ short and to the point. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:42, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - Excellent. ~  Nerdy Science  Dude  22:18, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Support Why not? :) Clementina   talk  11:02, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/January 14, 2011 (per consensus; 5 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:56, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

→ Come, all you who are thirsty, come to the waters; and you who have no money, come, buy and eat!
Clementina  talk  00:13, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - Looks fine to me.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 00:43, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Support ~ good one. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:46, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Support Nice. Derild  49  21  ☼  19:14, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - I like it. ~  Nerdy Science  Dude  22:19, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/January 13, 2011 (per consensus; 5 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:47, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

There is no fire without smoke
Secret Saturdays  ( talk to me )  21:21, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - Yes there is.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 21:28, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south (talk) 02:07, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

There is no fire without smoke
Edit 1. I do like the quote, but the links didn't seem to fit. Maybe this is better? Cordially, Esther Clementina   talk  08:58, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Eh... usernameblocks? The quote is good, but neither fits imo. (Clem, you should usurp User:Clementina- it'd make your life a lot easier.) sonia  ♫  09:48, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
 * (<-) Oh, right. :p I forgot about those&mdash;you're right, in that context, it could be rather confusing. And as for the usurpation, I'd love to, but I only created my account a few days ago. Maybe a link to banning would be better. Esther Clementina   talk   —Preceding undated comment added 12:06, 30 August 2010 (UTC).
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 06:56, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - Much better! And Sonia, aren't bad usernames a sort of vandalism? Maybe?  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 16:46, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Depends whether they're just promotional usernames. What about proxyblocks, or blocks per request, or blocks of established users enforcing sanctions or 3RR or NPA? Banning is an even worse link because plenty of bans are for tendentious/disruptive/POV editing, not simple vandalism as such. @Clem: admins/established editors in other wikis need not establish themselves here to get an usurpation. You may also wish to completely kill your old account so no socking accusations can happen. sonia  ♫  11:05, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually, formal oppose to all edits, based on the fact that the idiom is no smoke without fire, as in when there is smoke one knows it is a sign of trouble. Fires can and often do burn sans smoke. sonia  ♫  11:11, 1 September 2010 (UTC)


 * - No consensus.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 22:51, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south (talk) 02:07, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

→ Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity.
~ A H  1 (TCU) 15:01, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - FAs are not luck. I think you should start this one over.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 20:35, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak oppose and Comment - I agree with Hi878, FA are not made by luck luck, but I don't think we should just start binning a motto and starting over because the first version isn't great, just work on the links. WVRMAD • Talk  • Guestbook   09:52, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

per weak consensus. Simply south (talk) 02:07, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

→ Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity.
Edit 1 with a different set of links. Article development (a.k.a. "How to write a great article"; shortcut: WP:DEV) can be an alternative for the 2nd link. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:07, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak Support - That doesn't seem like luck either, but it's better than the first one.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 16:47, 31 August 2010 (UTC)


 * - No consensus; not enough !votes either way for either edit.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 22:30, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south (talk) 02:07, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

→ We knew the merry world was round, and we might sail forever more.
Can anyone think of a link for 'round' with something to do with Wikipedia lasting forever etc? WVRMAD • Talk  • Guestbook   09:28, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - Seems rather bland, and I've decided to be rather harsh on bland mottos.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 04:44, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Support + suggestion: File:Bouncywikilogo.gif OR Logo history for "round" AND Fundraising_2009/Website_Design or FOREVER for "forever more". –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:02, 24 August 2010 (UTC)


 * - No consensus yet, only an oppose and a support.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 22:35, 8 September 2010 (UTC)


 * - No consensus  ℳ ono   feedback 02:15, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

===→ All the world's a stage, and all the men and women merely players: They have their exits and their entrances; and one man in his time plays many parts...=== Secret Saturdays  ( talk to me )  16:48, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak Support Last two links are not so good as the rest.  Simon KSK  16:31, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak Support Per Simon.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 00:24, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Neutral Pending Explanation - I don't see what BOLD has to do with playing many parts, I'll support with an explanation.  MMS  2013  23:06, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

→ All the world's a stage, and all the men and women merely players: They have their exits and their entrances;
Edit 1 I got rid of the last line. Secret Saturdays  ( talk to me )  19:29, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - Better, although I don't like the "oh, just cut it out" mentality. :P  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 00:24, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Meaning the fact that you cut out the end.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 00:25, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Support EDIT 1 –p joe f (talk • contribs) 12:01, 17 August 2010 (UTC)


 * - No consensus.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 16:52, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

==== → All the world's a stage, and all the men and women merely players: They have their exits and their entrances; and one man in his time plays many parts... ==== Edit 2 –p joe f (talk • contribs) 06:53, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - I think this version makes the most sense. Esther Clementina   talk  09:06, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak Oppose - There is one tiny thing I don't like (I seem to be opposing a lot...). "Man" links to WP:USER, which is WP:User pages, which seems kind of odd.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 16:44, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Good point, I missed that. A link to Wikipedians might be better. Esther Clementina   talk  23:50, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, you are right. I did not notice about the "Man" link. Wikipedians (shortcut: WP:PEDIANS) is used for the second link ("men and women"). What about using Who writes Wikipedia (shortcut: WP:WRITERS for "men and women" and WP:PEDIANS for "Man"? –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:19, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

(not enough discussion) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 06:59, 14 September 2010 (UTC)


 * - ALL - no consensus  ℳ ono   feedback 03:33, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Yes, but you have the benefit of ignorance, while I have the burden of knowledge
~ A H  1 (TCU) 17:59, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - The links make absolutely no sense.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 22:13, 20 August 2010 (UTC)


 * - Not enough discussion.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 22:36, 8 September 2010 (UTC)


 * - No discussion after reopen  ℳ ono   feedback 03:31, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

===We the willing, led by the unknowing are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have done so much with so little for so long, we are now qualified to do anything with nothing.=== ~ A H  1 (TCU) 17:59, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - Wow I really like it! Derild  49  21  ☼  18:34, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - Many parts of that don't fit at all. You have to make sure that the links actually fit where you put them.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 22:13, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment. Which ones do not fit? ~ A H  1 (TCU) 00:01, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment I think all of the links work, bar the "Unknowing". Change that to something like WP:READER, and I'll support. Stephen! Coming... 11:20, 21 August 2010 (UTC)


 * - No consensus.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 22:51, 8 September 2010 (UTC)


 * - Stale, no discussion after first relist  ℳ ono   feedback 03:30, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

=== Methods are many, Principles are few. Methods change often, Principles never do. === ~ A H  1 (TCU) 17:59, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak oppose - I don't quite think that the first two fit together.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 22:11, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Suggestion: What about using List of policies (shortcut: WP:LOP) for the first line? –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:15, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong support - I think they do fit well. --Smaug123 (talk) 07:36, 1 September 2010 (UTC)


 * - No consensus - PLEASE DISCUSS; MOTTOS DECLINED AFTER 1 RELIST.  ℳ ono   01:27, 7 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Support - Looks good to me. Derild  49  21  ☼  01:29, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Suggestion #2: What about using Contributing to Wikipedia (shortcut: WP:CTW) for the first link ("Methods are many)? –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:58, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Support -  MMS  2013  20:51, 8 September 2010 (UTC)


 * ✅ for January 12, 2011.  ℳ ono    feedback 03:28, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

===→ Like a madman shooting firebrands or deadly arrows is a man who deceives his neighbor and says, "I was only joking!"=== Esther Clementina  talk  00:18, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - Nice. Derild  49  21  ☼  00:48, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - DoF link is bad. The DoF is a good thing, it doesn't fit in with the rest at all.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 04:42, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
 * You're right, Hi, I fully agree the Department of Fun is certainly good, and it's because Wikipedia is fun that people enjoy editing here so much. :) But I wasn't meaning it's bad in itself, I'm saying that "fun" may be used as an excuse for all kinds of vandalism. The best things may be twisted to be used as an excuse. Hmm, maybe it isn't exactly the right link here though (it might not quite fit in with socking). What about the alternate suggestion below? Esther Clementina   talk  08:29, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I thikn that you should keep the sockpuppet idea, I just didn't like the last link. And also, I don't think we should give people the idea to use that as an excuse. :P  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 16:42, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
 * -  ℳ ono    feedback 03:24, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

====→ Like a madman shooting firebrands or deadly arrows is a man who deceives his neighbor and says, "I was only joking!"==== Edit 1 per above. Esther Clementina  talk  08:29, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak Support - I still like the sockpuppet idea quite a bit, I just didn't like the DoF link.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 16:40, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Microscopically Weak Support - I like the message, but I can't stand the DoF link. Maybe a link to the definition for humorous vandalism would make a better second link?  MMS  2013  00:38, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
 * This hook didn't link to the Department of Fun. ;) Cordially, Esther Clementina   talk  02:34, 1 September 2010 (UTC)


 * -  ℳ ono    feedback 03:24, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

====→ Like a madman shooting firebrands or deadly arrows is a man who deceives his neighbor and says, "I was only joking!"==== Edit 2 I've re-added the link to socking, changed WP:USER to WP:Wikipedian, and changed the DOF link to "silly things". Hopefully this is better :) Esther Clementina   talk  02:34, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - That'll do. :)  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 22:45, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Support ~ this version (EDIT 2) is okay! –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:04, 7 September 2010 (UTC)


 * ✅ - for January 11, 2011. Edit 2  ℳ ono   feedback 03:23, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

→ Well, I don't wanna be a soldier, mama, I don't wanna die.
From a John Lennon song. Suggestions?  Simon KSK  15:37, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - Yes. Throw it out and start over, the links don't make any sense. I'm getting the idea, and like it, but not these links.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 00:23, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 12:04, 17 August 2010 (UTC)


 * - My point was never addressed.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 23:44, 27 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Support - I don't see what's wrong with the links! An adoptee doesn't want to get blocked, so he doesn't partake of edit wars. --Smaug123 (talk) 08:07, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
 * - No consensus  ℳ ono   feedback 03:21, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

→ Good things come to those who wait
Its been a while since i submitted one but the links seem perfectly fitting to me. Sorry another FA one. Simply south (talk) 00:31, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - Looks good. And don't worry; FA ones don't come as much as BOLD ones. :)  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 03:09, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Support -  MMS  2013  20:50, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

(in favour of Edit 1) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:03, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

→ Good things come to those who wait
I know people always strive for the top level but this is also what people should aim for at least. And besides, there have not been many GA mottos in the project. Edit 1. Simply south (talk) 21:29, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - Actually, this would make more sense; "Good thing" and "Good article" seem like they would go well together. Either one of these works, although I prefer this one.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 22:28, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I like this. sonia ♫  22:32, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
 * As do I. Clementina   talk  12:45, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Support both versions because there is not a big difference. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 06:44, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/January 10, 2011 (per consensus; 5 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:03, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

→ I am serious... and don't call me Shirley
79th on AFI's list of the best 100 movie quotes, and yet never used in MOTD! I doubt you'll find many people who haven't heard this line of Leslie Nielson. Stephen! Coming... 11:55, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak Oppose - The links make little sense to me.  MMS  2013  20:55, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - Makes sense to me. I just saw that movie for the first time a week or two ago; never thought to use that quote, though. It was an amazing movie, I must say. :)  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 22:50, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Support per Hi878. I wonder if anyone saw the joke on the sound of a propellor plane instead of a jet. Simply south (talk) 23:28, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - I'm also surprised this quote hasn't been used yet. Good linking.  Simon KSK  02:51, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak support - as someone who never heard of the movie or the quote, it could be a little confusing...but it is quite catchy, and is well linked. Esther Clementina   talk  03:18, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:59, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/January 9, 2011 (per consensus; 6 in support and 1 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:00, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

===→ Nothing refines like affection. Family jarring vulgarizes - family union elevates.=== Esther Clementina  talk  08:57, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - Good message. Nice one. :)  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 22:49, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:01, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong Support - Love the message here, and the links fit quite well.  MMS  2013  20:53, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/January 8, 2011 (per consensus; 4 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 06:54, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

→ An ounce of love is worth a pound of knowledge.
 MMS  2013  21:49, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - Good message.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 21:59, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - I like the quote and the links, which both ring true. :) Cordially, Esther Clementina   talk  23:48, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:02, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/December 24, 2010 (per consensus; 4 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 06:51, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

→ If I had to choose, I would rather have birds than airplanes.
Kind of interesting... -- ℳ ono   07:21, 10 August 2010 (UTC) (not enough discussion; 1 in support and 1 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:52, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - Fix the first link. It doesn't fit at all. I think it would be fine if you just removed it completely.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 00:07, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - I think the first link is fine, and I Support both versions. WVRMAD • Talk  • Guestbook   10:22, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

→ If I had to choose, I would rather have birds than airplanes.
Edit 1 - per Hi878. WVRMAD • Talk  • Guestbook  10:12, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - That works; funny message. :)  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 16:48, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Support EDIT 1 –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:10, 31 August 2010 (UTC)


 * ✅ - Edit 1 for January 6, 2011. Unanimous in favor of Edit 1.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 22:32, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

=== → O, 'tis a parlous boy; Bold, quick, ingenious, forward, capable; He is all the mother's from the top to toe. === William Shakespeare (1564–1616), Richard III, Act III, Scene I (1623) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:01, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - The middle line doesn't connect to itself. In the somewhat not-correct words of Kayau, It seems that the quality of MotD has slipped while I was away.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 00:06, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Not correct meaning that I forgot them...  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 00:06, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

(not enough discussion; 1 in support and 1 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:48, 24 August 2010 (UTC)


 * - No consensus; nothing has changed since it was reopened.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 22:32, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

=== → Nemo me impune lacessit ("No one attacks me with impunity") === Latin motto of the Order of the Thistle and of three Scottish regiments of the British Army. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:01, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak Support - Good message, but I don't quite think that the lniks work.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 00:05, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

(not enough discussion; 1.5-2 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:45, 24 August 2010 (UTC)


 * - No consensus; nothing has changed since it was reopened.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 22:33, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

→ R-o-s-e-b-u-d.
Charles Foster Kane portrayed by Orson Welles in Citizen Kane (1941) directed by Orson Welles; written by Herman J. Mankiewicz, Orson Welles; starring Orson Welles, Joseph Cotten, Dorothy Comingore, Everett Sloane, Ray Collins; music composed by Bernard Herrmann; cinematography by Gregg Toland; editing by Robert Wise. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:01, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Support. It has many links and it's a motto. ~ A H  1 (TCU) 14:46, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I'm sorry, but what is the point? What is the message?  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 00:04, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
 * There is not a message or it's a random message. The first link/suggestion in the Wikipedia namespace for each of the letters forming the word: "ROSEBUD", which is Kane's last word. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 12:42, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

(not enough discussion; 2 in support and 1 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:43, 24 August 2010 (UTC)


 * - No consensus; nothing has changed since it was reopened.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 22:33, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

→ I want my life back.
Possible alt link: BREAK.  ℳ ono   21:17, 10 August 2010 (UTC) BP CEO on the 2010 BP Gulf oil spill... ("We're sorry for the massive disruption it's caused to their lives," Hayward said."There's no one who wants this thing over more than I do, I'd like my life back.")  ℳ ono   06:06, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak support. As long as the reader gets the message and the comparison to Hayward (being responsible for disruption and wanting one's "life" back), it's a humorous message. ~ A H  1 (TCU) 14:47, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - It makes it sound like it is a bad thing when we block a vandal.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 00:03, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 12:42, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

(not enough discussion; 2-3 in support and 1 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:42, 24 August 2010 (UTC)


 * - No consensus; nothing has changed since it was reopened.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 22:33, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

===→ A steady increase of light, darkness is made to disappear or in which iniquity dissolves and just as the smoke rising into the air eventually dissipates.===

~ A H  1 (TCU) 23:43, 9 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:10, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - What? Where the links are put makes no sense at all.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 00:02, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

(not enough discussion; 2 in support and 1 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:36, 24 August 2010 (UTC)


 * - No consensus; nothing has changed since it was reopened.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 22:34, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

→ More Cowbell!
~ A H  1 (TCU) 23:43, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

*I guess - Kinda bland, but it'll do.  ℳ ono   21:19, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:12, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - Starting now, I'm going to be much harsher on mottos. :) This is far too bland.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 00:01, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

(not enough discussion; 2.5-3 in support and 1 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:34, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose.  ℳ ono   02:41, 3 September 2010 (UTC)


 * - Only comment since being reopened is an oppose, and I would close it as no consensus anyways.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 22:34, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

→ A diamond is forever.
. --  mo no so ck   02:17, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - Even though diamonds aren't forever... And you should have used the James Bond film instead! :P  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 05:13, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment - not sure about that last link. The shortcut is what's giving you the meaning, because the page is a soft redirect. That might confuse some people. PrincessofLlyr  royal court 14:22, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Urm, people might remember those big, ugly banners from last year...  Ⓢ ock   16:56, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Big, ugly banners? I was on a Wikibreak then, so I was only using Wikipedia for reference, and I thought the banners looked cool. BTW, have you seen the meta proposal about banners?  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 05:20, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I supported that... Petition_for_reconsideration_of_the_Wikipedia_Forever_banner <span style="border:3px solid grey;background:black;padding:1px;color:gold;text-shadow:white 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em"> ℳ ono   18:52, 9 August 2010 (UTC)


 * oppose I found those banners puerile and annoying, partly because their message– a naïve hope with no substance– was put across in such an aggressive way. This motto is better than that, but I still don't like the fact that the last link is to a reminder of that campaign. sonia  ♫  06:12, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south (talk) 23:47, 22 August 2010 (UTC)


 * - No consensus; nothing has changed since it was reopened.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 22:35, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

→ The measure of a man is what he does with power.
This one might be controversial. sonia ♫  04:22, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I don't think it makes sense. One can create articles, lots of high quality ones, without exercing any userrights.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 06:19, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Hmm... true. I suppose what I meant was frustration with users who go around collecting rights and not using them. If you request a right, you should have a need. And also, my feelings about adminship come through there- this is what I mean. Perhaps there is a better way to phrase it? sonia  ♫  06:31, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
 * People usually need to demonstrate that they need the tool before they are given the tool. For example, you've got to actually revert some vandalism before you get rollback. You need to actually write articles before getting autopatrolled. You need to actually do maintenance work before you get to be an admin. I haven't seen any case of userright 'collection' (reminds me of King Philip or Henry VIII!) before, though you may have.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 06:43, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, I certainly can name some- but I'm not comfortable doing so on-wiki. sonia  ♫  06:51, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak Support - Kayau has a point, but I still think it works.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 16:14, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - I see what Kayau is saying, but Sonia's quote is still reasonable. Good people apply those rights well. But it is conceivable that someone could create great articles, become autopatrolled and use that to create some bad articles. That would be a bad measure of them given their response to "power". That even includes the basic right to edit pages. It is a measure of the person whether they improve or vandalise the articles. PrincessofLlyr  royal court 03:00, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Support per above. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:58, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - More links needed, see edit 1 <span style="border:3px solid grey;background:black;padding:1px;color:gold;text-shadow:white 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em"> ℳ ono   21:26, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Why are more links needed? I left it deliberately for its simplicity. In this form it could mean any right from registered user to founder, any level of activity, and I like it that way. Additional links distract. sonia ♫  09:10, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

→ The measure of a man is what he does with power.
Edit 1 --<span style="border:3px solid grey;background:black;padding:1px;color:gold;text-shadow:white 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em"> ℳ ono   21:26, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - The first link makes no sense whatsoever.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 23:55, 16 August 2010 (UTC)


 * - Not enough discussion on Edit 1. <span style="border:3px solid grey;background:black;padding:1px;color:gold;text-shadow:white 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em"> 1 year     03:26, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

→ The measure of a man is what he does with power.
Edit 2 –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:10, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - The first link makes no sense, and how does having ADMIN and ListGroupRights work? I think maybe PEDIAN and ADMIN might work instead.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 16:50, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Re: Because there is a long list of rights associated with Administrators. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:38, 31 August 2010 (UTC)


 * - No consensus on any nomination.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 22:36, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

Remember people, always remember to treat young people and strangers as the great people they will become.
I thought of this about eleven-thirty at night while I was in bed. WVRMAD • Talk  • Guestbook  10:58, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - but there ought to be a better last link for a made-up motto cos, well, it's made-up. :) Is this a consequence of what happened yesterday?  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 11:06, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Reply - I didn't think of it with yesterday in mind, but now I come to look at it, maybe it's got a message in it - Remember people, always remember to treat WVRMad as the great person he will become. Yeah, personally I prefer this version! WVRMAD • Talk  • Guestbook   11:33, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - The last link is a good idea, but it doesn't actually fit right there. The whole second part should be linked to that, not just "they will become", but that obviously wouldn't work. By the way, I would put a period after "Remember people" and have the rest be a separate sentence.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 19:57, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong support. The last link is a bit iffy, but it's a great message. ~ A H  1 (TCU) 17:40, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Suggestion: What about Service awards (shortcuts: WP:SVC, WP:SERVICE) for "they will become"? –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:21, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Remember people, always remember to treat young people and strangers as the great people they will become.
Edit 1 ~ I hope I've addressed the last link, and I've kept AGF in there. --Smaug123 (talk) 08:10, 4 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Support - Much better. :)  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 00:58, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:25, 7 September 2010 (UTC)


 * ✅ - Edit 1 for January 7, 2011. Unanimous in favor of Edit 1.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 22:37, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

Vitality is the mother of inspiration.
~ A H  1 (TCU) 23:43, 9 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:14, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - I suppose it works.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 00:01, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

(not enough discussion; 3 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:31, 24 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Strong Support -  MMS  2013  21:54, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/December 23, 2010 (per consensus; 4 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:29, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Overused, oversold, overmade, overblown!
~ A H  1 (TCU) 14:27, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak Support - Only because the first two link to articles.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 19:41, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak oppose - I don't really understand this one.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 06:17, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment. It's a reference to the Colbert Report when they asked viewers to vandalise the Wikipedia article on Chicken. ~ A H  1 (TCU) 14:14, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Hmm, a bit obscure perhaps?  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 07:15, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - and that's fine, but most people probably won't understand that. PrincessofLlyr  royal court 03:03, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Question I don't get the chicken link. Please explain.-- Forty two  Thanks for all the fish!  07:10, 9 August 2010 (UTC)


 * - No consensus. <span style="border:3px solid grey;background:black;padding:1px;color:gold;text-shadow:white 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em"> 1 year     02:59, 20 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Oppose - I just don't get it, even knowing the derivation :-( --Smaug123 (talk) 07:38, 1 September 2010 (UTC)


 * - <span style="border:2px solid grey;background:black;padding:1px;color:gold;text-shadow:white 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em"> ℳ ono    01:30, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

=== → Nec pluribus impar ("Not unequal to many") === Motto of the "Sun King". –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:37, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - doesn't make sense to me... and it's a double negative...  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 07:43, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - It makes perfect sense, and double negatives are fun. :)  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 18:51, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - of course double negatives are fun! PrincessofLlyr  royal court 13:08, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Neutral - Yeah, I don't get it either... Derild  49  21  ☼  14:09, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment ~ so it's positive ~ lol –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:19, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

(not enough discussion; 3 in support, 1 neutral, and 1 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 12:54, 17 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Weak oppose - Wikipedians are equal to many - equal to many what? Is it implying that there are lots of us, or that one Wikipedian equals several normal people? If it's the second I Oppose it because Wikipedians are just normal people, if it's the first then I Weak oppose it because motto's need to be clear for everyone to understand. WVRMAD • Talk  • Guestbook   10:24, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
 * The meaning of this motto is obscure. Louis XIV (a.k.a Sun King) said that "[he] known that some obscurity has been found in these words, and [he] has no doubt that the same symbol might have suggested some happier ones." My intention was to say that all Wikipedians are Suns. And, as the Sun gives light to the Earth, Unsigned editors, Newbies, Editors, Experienced editors, Administrators, Clercks, ... Jimbo Wales, all of them, in a way or in another, give light (contribute) to Wikipedia. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:33, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south (talk) 00:47, 1 September 2010 (UTC)