Wikipedia:Motto of the day/Nominations/Archive 35

→ Into the Streets May First!

 * Aaron Copland's Into the Streets May First for voice or unison chorus with text from Alfred Hayes, published by The New Masses on May 1, 1934.

For International Workers' Day (May Day or 1st of May) with Signup. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 14:48, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Support This one &#0149;martyx&#0149; tk ct gy 15:22, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - Seems fine to me.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 22:26, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Support — James (Talk • Contribs) • 10:03am • 00:03, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - no problems. PrincessofLlyr  royal court 01:22, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

→ Into the Streets May First!
Edit 1 with WP:FA and WP:TFA. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 14:48, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - Above is better.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 22:26, 28 April 2011 (UTC)


 * ✅ - Original for May 1, 2011. Unanimous support.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 03:48, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

→ His life may make thee gold, and much more, just.
George Herbert (1593–1633), The Temple: Sacred Poems and Private Ejaculations (1633), "Easter". It would be nice to have this nomination approved for next Sunday, "Easter Sunday", the 24th of April 2011. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:05, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment - I hate to be the one to bring this up, but it seems a bit sacrilegious. Like comparing "his" life to Wikipedia, etc. Just might rub some people the wrong way. The quote is beautiful and well linked other than that. PrincessofLlyr  royal court 15:37, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Reply ~ Yes, I think the same as you (even if it was not my intention to be sacrilegious but the opposite.) What about using WP:DEV for "his life" ... well probably we will have about the same "sacrilegious" problem. And, a more generic and bland, but still valid: "Happy Easter from MOTD"??? –p joe f (talk • contribs) 16:28, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I didn't think you were trying to be sacrilegious...in fact, outside of a WP context, I really love the quote. The linking itself, in a traditional MOTD style, is fine. It's just that it seems to make light of the occasion. Besides, even if we used this quote, someone would probably be annoyed with the religious reference. The generic "happy easter" may be the best way to go. PrincessofLlyr  royal court 19:07, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I think that I need to agree with Ms. Llyr in this. I'll see if I can dig up a quote.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 20:11, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

–p joe f (talk • contribs) 22:14, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

→ All I really need is love, but a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt!
How about this? Any better ideas for the second link would be welcomed. Hi 8 7 8  (Come shout at me!) 20:20, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - this is fine. PrincessofLlyr  royal court 20:23, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Strong Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 22:14, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/April 24, 2011 ("emergency motto" for Easter Sunday) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 22:14, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

→ Cinco de Mayo has come to represent a celebration of the contributions that Mexican Americans and all Hispanics have made to America.
For May 5, 2011 Secret Saturdays   ( talk to me )  17:07, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose that 11 September one is American enough. This one is... still American. (If you make a motto for all the countries with Wikipedians, then I'll switch to support for this one. Though that would take a it of time.)  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 23:55, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Reply- Look Kayau, I'm also tired of linking Wikipedia to America, but this quote was the only one about Cinco de Mayo that was decent; the rest were either racist or didn't stick to the subject. If I find a better quote, I'll put it up. Secret Saturdays   ( talk to me )  03:40, 14 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Neutral - It works, but Kayau has a point.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 02:34, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Bleh - Can we stick to clever things?  — m o n o   04:19, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
 * LOLno - Seriously, how many times have we seen a motto with the links pointing to "edians" and "Wikipedia"? This is just lazy, and not original.  Simon KSK  18:31, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - per Kayau and it's just too boring. WVRMad • Talk • Guestbook  21:34, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose – Don't like the links, don't like the quote. — mc10 ( t / c ) 18:27, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

(in favour of Edit 1) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 14:32, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

==== → Entre los individuos, como entre las naciones, el respeto al derecho ajeno es la paz. ("Among individuals, as among nations, respect for the rights of others is peace") ==== Edit 1 I got rid of the original motto and replaced it with a new one (from Mexican president Benito Juárez, who served his term around the Battle of Puebla). I hope this one is better. Secret Saturdays  ( talk to me )  20:59, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - This one works, and it isn't too nationalistic, so it would be perfect, in my opinion.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 01:06, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support for 11st of September 2011 for regular motto or (eventually) for May 5, 2011. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 10:32, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment- you do know that I want this motto for May 5th, right? Secret Saturdays   ( talk to me )  17:53, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Re: No, I didn't know that. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:05, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Support for regular motto - it's good to have peace, like between acewiki and enwiki. :)  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 10:35, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - WVRMad • Talk • Guestbook  21:37, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Support – This one is much better. — mc10 ( t / c ) 18:28, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Support —James (Talk • Contribs) • 10:39pm • 12:39, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/May 5, 2011 (per consensus) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 14:32, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

→ The panellists were given silly things to do by Humphrey Lyttelton
This is for either 2011-05-23 to celebrate Humphrey Lyttelton's 90th birthday (if he were still alive) or 2011-04-25 for the second anniversary of his death. Simply south (talk) 21:28, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - Looks good.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 21:34, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Support for  regular motto 90th birthday ~ I do not think it's a good idea to commemorate Humphrey Lyttelton on MOTD, even if he was a great and towering figure in the history of BBC Radio 2 and 4 and an excellent trumpeter, bandleader, broadcaster, calligrapher, cartoonist, journalist, writer,... an all around person. This year is the bicentenary of the birth of Frédéric Chopin (1 March 1810 – 17 October 1849), but we did nothing for the 1st of March. There are hundreds of classical music composers. Then we need to add thousands of Jazz, Rock, Pop,... artists. And what about all the writers, philosophers, scientists, and etcetera??? –p joe f (talk • contribs) 11:24, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
 * There have been many special mottos dedicated to the anniversary of famous people e.g. as one example Motto_of_the_day/Nominations/Archive_28. Simply south (talk) 17:06, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Re: Yes, I know... but I do NOT think it is a good practice. In any case, if there will be a "hole", then I will have no objection to its approval for April 25 or May 23, 2011. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:09, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak support - for nomination as either a regular or special motto. WVRMad • Talk • Guestbook  21:31, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/May 23, 2011 (per consensus) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 14:11, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

→ I'll make your jaw drop.
Secret Saturdays  ( talk to me )  01:51, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Support since Steve Jobs is bold, and boldism will make your jaw drop. ~ Nerdy Science Dude  (✉ • ✐) 02:02, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose does not make much sense to me. Besides, we are having too many bold quotes.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 04:23, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
 * oppose If being bold is used in such a way that it shocks/surprises people, is that a good thing...? {&#123; Sonia &#124;ping&#124;enlist}&#125; 04:41, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose I agree with Sonia.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come yell at me!) 19:05, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - per Sonia. WVRMad • Talk • Guestbook  21:38, 12 November 2010 (UTC)


 * - Quite a few opposes with good rationales, and only one support.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 02:46, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

→ It'll make your jaw drop.
Edit 1 with the original quote and a different link (WP:SURPRISING). The phrase means: "it'll surprise you." –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:31, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Save for April Fool's Day, or the day before/after it.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 08:43, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Save I like your idea.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come yell at me!) 02:31, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment if we have consensus here I'll Symbol move vote.svg move it to the Special nominations page.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 02:10, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Save - agree! --Smaug123 (talk) 18:36, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Save Secret Saturdays   ( talk to me )  18:45, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment I would say use on the day before/after April Fools. Edits 2 and 3 for April fools day on the specials page are far better, in my opinion. My order of preference: Edit 2, Edit 3, this one, Edit 1, and then the original. I think there is consensus to move it to the specials page, so I'll go ahead and do that.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come yell at me!) 02:37, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Reply Before is better IMHO. If you do it before AFD, then the maximum amount of time from AFD will be 24 hours. However, if you do it after AFD, then the maximum would be 36, since AFD ends at noon.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 03:54, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Third Preference My third favorite.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come yell at me!) 02:47, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Now that I think about it... What the hell does this have to do with April Fool's day? I am switching to Oppose.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 02:44, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Save Edit 1 for regular motto. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 10:19, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Support – This one is much better. — mc10 ( t / c ) 18:30, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

✅ (Edit 1) for Motto of the day/April 1, 2011 –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:43, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

===This was the decade of technology, the decade of information, the decade where the people overthrew the old order. Now, here at the end, we can only think how much people like us have changed the world.=== Personal musing, to replace 12-31 or 1-1, CC-BY.--Ipatrol (talk) 06:54, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Oppose contains unecessary links.  Kayau  Odyssey  HUCK FINN   to the lighthouse 11:21, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose Does anyone watch these? The day that this could work happened already... Hi878 (talk) 22:52, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - WVRMAD • Talk  • Guestbook   11:45, 30 May 2010 (UTC)


 * - Unanimous dislike.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 02:34, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia is for life, not just for Christmas
Getting in the Chritmas motto in ready lol! I'm sure you all recognise where it originates from, that good ol' proverb "A dog's for life, not just for Christmas". Pr3st0n (talk) 23:42, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Too bad we already have a motto for Christmas...next year, maybe?  Intelligent  sium  22:55, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Or maybe, we could have it on the day after Christmas.  Intelligent  sium  23:03, 30 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Oppose I don't know, I just don't like it... Hi878 (talk) 23:09, 3 May 2010 (UTC)


 * - As if this would ever go anywhere. I has been sitting here for over a year, and has only one !vote, an oppose. This can be renominated for next Christmas, at any rate.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 02:34, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

→ I do this for Aiur.
I hope to have this as the motto on the release date of LoV, due to the fact that I think lots of people will be waiting for it to be released, as they did with Brood War. Buggie111 (talk) 23:37, 27 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Support Good luck. Ventric (talk) 06:51, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - How many people are going to know what this is?  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 06:54, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak oppose - Not that I know much about computer gaming, but I don't how many people would know what this means. I also think that it is quite a bland motto if it was nominated as a normal motto. WVRMAD • Talk  • Guestbook   21:24, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - I think that this would be great. The game is widely known, and the phrase is quite famous (at least in the region I live in.). However isn't the exact quote "My life for Aiur"? Perhaps "My life for Aiur" would be more appropriate. I support either version. -- Alpha Quadrant   talk    23:38, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment What is Starcraft and when is this for?   RichardOwen97  talk  15:42, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment - I did some digging, and it looks as though this will come out in late 2012 or early 2013. That appears to just be a guess. Besides the fact that the majority of people wouldn't get it (I definitely didn't until I dug around), and the fact that it probably wouldn't stand as a regular nomination, it is two years away when this would be used. Could this just be declined, and then you can renominate it when it gets closer, and when we actually have a date for this?  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 02:41, 6 January 2011 (UTC)


 * - Unknown to the majority and the date is too far away. Renominate by all means when the date gets closer.   RichardOwen97  talk  22:14, 9 January, 2011 (UTC)

→ I Do
Big wedding tomorrow, maybe this would be a good motto? -- Thomas888b (Say Hi) 19:07, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - Not a project-space link, not in the nominations page for specific dates, and I don't think we should have a special motto for this wedding, as it would set a precedent for having special motos on every single significant wedding.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 22:57, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
 * How's about I do? sonia ♫  00:56, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Sonia, I love that idea! PrincessofLlyr  royal court 01:17, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

in favour of edit 1. Simply south...... trying to improve for 5 years 20:50, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

→ I do.
Formally proposing, then, although we're a bit late for this particular wedding :p sonia ♫  01:26, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - I suppose this works, but let's wait a week or two so that it is at least somewhat separated from the wedding. :)  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 02:50, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
 * LOL–p joe f (talk • contribs) 13:34, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Support ~ Yes, I think it is too late, Sonia. We have a Billie Holiday's quote for today that says that there are "no[t] two people on earth [who] are alike", but I swear it was not done deliberately, lol. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 13:34, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - sad that it is too late, but still a good motto! PrincessofLlyr  royal court 17:37, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

✅ edit 1 per consensus. Simply south...... trying to improve for 5 years 20:50, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

→ Experience acclaims as happiest the man who has made the greatest number of people happy.
Karl Heinrich Marx (1818–1883), Letter to His Father (1837)
 * Oppose - great man, great quote, but... never judge a man by his apparent generosity. :)  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 13:47, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I can't believe you actually thought those links were a good idea. Good lord.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 01:29, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

in favour of edit 3. Simply south...... trying to improve for 5 years 20:50, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

→ Experience acclaims as happiest the man who has made the greatest number of people happy.
Edit 1. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:33, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Neutral - it's quality not quantity that counts...  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 13:47, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Re2Kayau(&Hi878): Please check it out again. Here is "QUALITY" and not "quantity". ("people"=WP:CONTENTS & "happy"=WP:FA). Isn't FA the best Q on Wikipedia? –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:48, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I seem to be agreeing with Kayau quite a bit today.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 01:29, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Support- Motto stresses on both quality and quantity (most number of FAs). More quantity IMHO is welcome as long as quality does not suffer.--  Forty two  19:51, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

in favour of edit 3. Simply south...... trying to improve for 5 years 20:50, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

→ Experience acclaims as happiest the man who has made the greatest number of people happy.
Edit 2 - the idea I'm really looking for here is that the content we write makes readers happy, so if anyone can think of a better link for that idea... - PrincessofLlyr  royal court 18:32, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment ~ I think that edit 3 below (by Hi878) really fits your idea. (I did not see your post below, lol... forgive (me) and forget) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 12:58, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - The last link seems sort of odd... I have an idea.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 22:33, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

in favour of edit 3. Simply south...... trying to improve for 5 years 20:50, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

→ Experience acclaims as happiest the man who has made the greatest number of people happy.
Edit 3 - Any better? Hi 8 7 8  (Come shout at me!) 22:33, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - exactly what I was looking for! PrincessofLlyr  royal court 01:15, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Support ~ nicely done! –p joe f (talk • contribs) 12:58, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

✅ edit 3 per consensus. Simply south...... trying to improve for 5 years 20:50, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

=== Melius abundare quam deficere ("Better too much than not enough") === A common Latin phrase. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 10:57, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Weak Oppose - 'too much' should never be superior to 'not enough' - doing nothing to an article is not inferior to POV-pushing/adding uncited/unreliable info etc.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 12:03, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Q: Are you disputing the Latin saying or the link I used? Is it better to have too much food or not enough? Anyway, it is linked to WP:BOLD (and I know that BOLD does not striclty mean abundance). I could not do better and we are in emergency, any suggestions? –p joe f (talk • contribs) 12:41, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't agree with the saying itself (since Doctrine of the Mean is a Confucian classic ;) but that doesn't matter. And having too much food and not enough are just the same. I just don't think being way too bold is better than doing nothing.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 10:36, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Support -  MMS  2013  13:15, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Weak oppose - It's a good quote but I don't think it really applies to Wikipedia editing. It can be bold to add information where there's a risk of potentially adding too much, but it can be just as bold to help trim an article but potentially lose too much. I don't feel comfortable saying one is always better than another.--Yaksar (let's chat) 20:30, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I would have to agree with Kayau's rationale on this one.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 01:20, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

per consensus. Simply south...... trying to improve for 5 years 20:50, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

→ Does the Brotherhood exist?
I know this may be seen as comparing WP to Ingsoc, but we've done that before (with if there is hope, it lies in the proles), so what the heck. :)  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 16:00, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't get it. Simply south...... 20:05, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
 * The Brotherhood were supposedly anti-Ingsoc ('trolling' Oceana) but it was not certain whether it was just a rumour or it really existed. I'm trying to say that someone whom we consider a troll doesn't have to be one.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 10:02, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I like it, but I also think that many people won't get it.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 01:17, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

in favour of edit 1. Simply south...... trying to improve for 5 years 20:50, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

→ Does the Brotherhood exist?
Edit 1 This makes more sense to me.  Forty two  19:40, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - Yes! I'm going to forget about the whole "People might not get it" thing. :)  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 22:29, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Support ~ this version. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 12:53, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

✅ per consensus. Simply south...... trying to improve for 5 years 20:50, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

===→ Non pro nobis laboramus ("We labor not for ourselves") === Latin motto. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:00, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Support Yes! &#0149;martyx&#0149; tk ct gy 10:32, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - Good link.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 22:50, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Good. sonia ♫  00:56, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/May 6, 2011 (per consensus; 4 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 13:12, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

→ Hasta la vista, baby.
Terminator 2: Judgment Day (1991) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 17:12, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Support I'll be back! &#0149;martyx&#0149; tk ct gy 10:35, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Support Pop culture references at their very best, good link too It's Malpass 93! (drop me a ___) 16:54, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - :)  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 22:49, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
 * ...heh, sure. sonia ♫  00:56, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/May 4, 2011 (per consensus; 4 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 13:09, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

→ After all, tomorrow is another day!
Gone With the Wind (1939) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 16:47, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Support &#0149;martyx&#0149; tk ct gy 10:37, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - Seems fine.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 22:48, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Sure. sonia ♫  00:56, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/May 3, 2011 (per consensus; 4 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 13:03, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

→ Some might say, we will find a brighter day.
Lyric from the 1995 Oasis song Some Might Say. It's Malpass 93! (drop me a ___) 12:45, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment - I would prefer to remove the first part. I also added the arrow link.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 13:59, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
 * If I went with Some might say..., would that be better? And thanks for the arrow link :) It's Malpass 93! (drop me a ___) 14:20, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
 * That still adds little to them motto, IMO.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 01:01, 6 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Oppose - I would have to agree with Kayau about the beginning. In addition, FAR is for demoting FAs, not promoting them. That doesn't seem to fit the message I think you want. Was FAC what you meant?  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 01:14, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

(in favour of Edit 3) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 12:52, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

→ Some might say, we will find a brighter day.
Edit 1 with WP:FAC instead of WP:FAR per Hi878. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:35, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I think that we should drop the beginning.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 22:28, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

(in favour of Edit 3) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 12:52, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

→ Some might say, we will find a brighter day.
Edit 2 with WP:VILLAGEPUMP instead of WP:TALK, and WP:FAC instead of WP:FAR. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:35, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I still don't quite think that the beginning is necessary.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 22:28, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

(in favour of Edit 3) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 12:52, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

→ We will find a brighter day.
Edit 3 ~ removed the first part per Kayau, and WP:FAC instead of WP:FAR. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:35, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - favorite of them all. PrincessofLlyr  royal court 18:27, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - Perfect.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 22:28, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment Hadn't been tracking this, but I'm glad somoeone took it upon themselves to pursue it. My Oasis MOTD might make it yet. Cheers guys :) It's Malpass 93! (drop me a ___) 10:48, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Support ~ this version –p joe f (talk • contribs) 12:52, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/May 2, 2011 (per consensus; 4 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 12:52, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

→ I'll be back!
The Terminator (1984) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:49, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - :)  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 20:29, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Support Hasta la vista, baby! ;) &#0149;martyx&#0149; tk ct gy 11:04, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/April 30, 2011 (per consensus; 3 in support and 0 opposed; we are in a state of emergency, please HELP if you can! Thank you.) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 12:29, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

→ Peace cannot be achieved through violence, it can only be attained through understanding.
Albert Einstein –p joe f (talk • contribs) 12:10, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - Yes!  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 20:26, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Support &#0149;martyx&#0149; tk ct gy 11:13, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/April 29, 2011 (per consensus; 3 in support and 0 opposed; we are in a state of emergency, please HELP if you can! Thank you.) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 12:26, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

→ No two people on earth are alike, and it's got to be that way in music or it isn't music.
Billie Holiday and William Dufty, Lady Sings the Blues (1956) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:37, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - That'll do.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 17:41, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/April 28, 2011 (emergency motto) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:15, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

===→ Every day, hundreds of thousands of visitors from around the world collectively make tens of thousands of edits and create thousands of new articles to augment the knowledge held by the Wikipedia encyclopedia.=== Excerpt taken from the lead intro of About. I know this is not a "motto" but we are in an emergency now! –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:23, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Weak support - this is an example of what we can save for an emergency.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 13:47, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - Obviously not good enough for a regular motto... I really don't want to use it as an emergency motto, either, but... Gah. If it becomes ABSOLUTELY necessary, then fine. Otherwise, burn it. :)  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 01:27, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/April 27, 2011 (emergency motto; there is not a motto for tomorrow, 27 April 2011. Please, help if you can!) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:23, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

→ Aren't you a little short for a stormtrooper?
--  Forty two  21:02, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - Lovely.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 22:05, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Support Simply south...... trying to improve for 5 years 22:25, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 12:04, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/April 26, 2011 (per consensus; 4 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 13:35, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

→ If we have no peace, it is because we have forgotten that we belong to each other.
Mother Teresa –p joe f (talk • contribs) 14:54, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I don't really like the last link. I have an idea.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 03:48, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

(in favour of Edit 1) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 22:18, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

→ If we have no peace, it is because we have forgotten that we belong to each other.
Edit 1 ~ How about this? Hi 8 7 8  (Come shout at me!) 03:48, 14 April 2011 (UTC)


 * SUPER!!! (and better than mine, of course.) Thank you, Hi878! –p joe f (talk • contribs) 11:09, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/April 25, 2011 (emergency motto for Easter Monday) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 22:18, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

→ Mmmm-hmmm! This is a tasty burger!
Pulp Fiction –p joe f (talk • contribs) 15:24, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - :)  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 03:49, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Can I have one? support Simply south...... trying to improve for 5 years 19:54, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/April 23, 2011 (emergency motto) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:28, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

→ Lord of himself,—that heritage of woe!
Lord George Gordon Noel Byron (1788–1824), Lara, Canto I (1814) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 11:13, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - Seems fine.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 01:36, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/April 21, 2011 (emergency motto) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 13:47, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

→ A vandal without an editor is like a goldfish without a bicycle. An editor without a vandal is like a neck without a pain.
(A quote from my friend) 日  向  テ  マ  リ  
 * Question the first bit is a bit profound for me to understand (my reading comprehension is terrible). Could you please explain? Thanks  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 10:37, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
 * A goldfish has no need for a bicycle. However, I don't quite think that this was worded well; obviously, a vandal doesn't need an editor; that seems somewhat strange to say.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 01:16, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment: The quote itself looks good, but doesn't a Wikipedia motto need links? Wilhelmina Will (talk) 02:45, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Reply - it doesn't necessarily need to have some if it's clearly self-referential.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 15:50, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose ~ It's self-referential for experienced editors who are involved in Wikipedia essays, MOTD, or other WPs, but not for readers. imho it needs links. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:51, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I move to Neutral. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:11, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south...... 18:56, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment - I'd rather have it go without links, but WP:VANDAL could work if it needed one.  MMS  2013 
 * Oppose - It should have links. In addition, the first part seems a bit weird; of course a vandal doesn't need an editor! Am I missing something?  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 01:16, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

(no consensus) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 13:42, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

→ Man creates dinosaurs...Dinosaurs eat man...Woman inherits the Earth.
~ A H  1 (TCU) 12:28, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
 * question - is this intended to be humorous?  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 14:23, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - Obviously, Kayau! I think it is fine.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 01:10, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 13:40, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/April 20, 2011 (emergency motto) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 13:40, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

→ Wisdom, both for its own sake and for the sake of teaching.
Its been awhile.-- B lack W atch 21  19:47, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Support. Great message, especially the first link being rarely used. ~ A H  1 (TCU) 19:28, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - Fantastic; I agree, it's nice to have a little-used link. Very good job.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 01:48, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 06:48, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/April 19, 2011 (per consensus) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 13:32, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

If you never believe in something bigger than yourself, then you'll never do anything bigger than yourself.
~ A H  1 (TCU) 00:54, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I hate the links. I'll try some better ones.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 01:42, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

(in favour of Edit 1) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 13:28, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

If you never believe in something bigger than yourself, then you'll never do anything bigger than yourself.
Edit 1 ~ What do you all think? Hi 8 7 8  (Come shout at me!) 01:42, 7 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Support a bit better than the original. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 13:08, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/April 18, 2011 (emergency motto) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 13:28, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

→ Let's face the music and dance
Simply south...... 16:44, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - Seems perfectly fine.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 01:40, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 06:50, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/April 17, 2011 (emergency motto) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 13:25, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

=== → O lord! my boy, my Arthur, my fair son! My life, my joy, my food, my all the world! My widow-comfort, and my sorrow's cure! === William Shakespeare (1564–1616), The Life and Death of King John, Act III, Scene IV (1623) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 11:51, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - Wow. :)  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 01:39, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Support ^ —James (Talk • Contribs) • 10:41pm • 12:41, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/April 16, 2011 (emergency motto) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 13:22, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

→ We have seen better days.
William Shakespeare (1564–1616), The Life of Timon of Athens, Act IV, Scene II (1623) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 13:06, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - For the emergency list. Made me laugh. :)  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 01:39, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - Wouldn't be a bad idea ;) —James (Talk • Contribs) • 10:41pm • 12:41, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/April 15, 2011 (emergency motto) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 13:20, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

===→ You are all geniuses, and you are all beautiful. You don't need anyone to tell you who you are. You are what you are. Get out there and get peace, think peace, live peace, and breathe peace, and you'll get it as soon as you like.=== John Lennon (1940–1980) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 11:01, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Support. Good message. ~ A H  1 (TCU) 00:56, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - Fine.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 01:37, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Support Lovely quote, good choice of links. —James (Talk • Contribs) • 10:42pm • 12:42, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/April 14, 2011 (per consensus) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 13:18, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Show, don't tell.
 Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 15:01, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment - I think that WP:PEA would be better suited for this motto.  MMS  2013  12:58, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - Edit 1 is far better.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 01:26, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

Show, don't tell.
Edit 1 per MMS -  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 15:01, 23 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Support (Edit 1) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 06:56, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - Perfect.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 01:26, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Support —James (Talk • Contribs) • 10:44pm • 12:44, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

✅ (Edit 1) for Motto of the day/April 13, 2011 (per consensus; 4 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 13:13, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

→ Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much.
Oscar Wilde. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 13:06, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - really good! PrincessofLlyr  royal court 15:52, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Support. Supportive and humorous. ~ A H  1 (TCU) 00:55, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

✅ per consensus. Simply south...... trying to improve for 5 years 14:48, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

===→ The sentiment of art like the religious sentiment, like scientific curiosity, is born of wonder; the man who wonders at nothing lives in a state of imbecility and stupidity.=== Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel (1770–1831), Lectures on Aesthetics: Symbolic Art (1826)
 * Support - good message.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 13:47, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Support. Broad in scope. ~ A H  1 (TCU) 00:58, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

✅ per consensus. Simply south...... trying to improve for 5 years 14:48, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

=== → In everything I am, in everything I do I am your servant, I need you. === "I Need You" by NoMeansNo from their 1983 album Why Do They Call Me Mr. Happy?. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 10:57, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Weak support - the last link should be replaced with something a tad more exciting or removed, IMO; it adds little to the motto.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 12:01, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Weak Support - as Kayau, I like everything but the last link. Maybe something about how important editors are to WP if we can find that. PrincessofLlyr  royal court 12:31, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Weak Support per Kayau  MMS  2013  12:11, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

in favour of edit 1. Simply south...... trying to improve for 5 years 14:48, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

==== → In everything I am, in everything I do I am your servant, I need you. ==== Edit 1 with Wikipedia as the subject that needs readers, but I prefer the original. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 13:11, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
 * support - the last link is better.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 10:41, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
 * support I like this one a lot for some reason.--Yaksar (let's chat) 20:31, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Support. Directs the message to the audience. ~ A H  1 (TCU) 01:00, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

✅ per consensus. Simply south...... trying to improve for 5 years 14:48, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

==== → In everything I am, in everything I do I am your servant, I need you. ==== Edit 2 auto-referential/emergency version. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 13:11, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Stong support - Yes! We need more editors!  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 10:41, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

✅ for emergencies. Simply south...... trying to improve for 5 years 14:48, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

→ The way to do complete justice indeed, is to let in the one side, without prejudicing the other.
Thought I would try linking the whole motto. Opinions?  MMS  2013  13:13, 3 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:09, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - Assuming bad faith should not be equated with siding.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 10:54, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south...... 00:16, 23 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Support. The prejudice could be interpreted to mean the assumption an edit possibly done in bad faith. ~ A H  1 (TCU) 01:02, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

✅ per weak consensus. Simply south...... trying to improve for 5 years 14:48, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

New idea
Again, this is not an april fool's day joke. Could someone translate Gong Zizhen's poem? I think it can link to WP:STICK.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 15:48, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment - And you think that one of the people here will be able to translate that?  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 00:11, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Reply - Either Sonia or Derild4921 can, but neither seem to be particularly active here.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 02:20, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, I'm not just not as active anymore. :P. I could try, but somehow I can't access to the link so can you copy and paste the poem here or on my talk page? Thanks. Derild  49  21  ☼  22:34, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
 * You want the entire poem translated? Or just the one verse the link goes to?   RichardOwen97  talk  17:16, 7 February, 2011 (UTC)

Babelfish
"The enormous and powerful sorrow of parting is daytime slanting, recites east the whip to refer to is a horizon. The coal dust is not heartless, changes to makes spring the putty to protect the flower.

That makes perfect sense! Simply south...... 18:51, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Pretty good for Babelfish (though apparently it didn't see through the synecdoche)! :) I've thought about it, and maybe it will be better only to include the last two lines. My version of the BF translation is below.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 08:08, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

→ The fallen petal is not heartless, It shall dissolve into the spring soil to nourish the flower.
 Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 08:08, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - Good message.  MMS  2013  13:19, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Weak support - version below is better. WVRMad • Talk • Guestbook  16:42, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

→ The fallen petal is not heartless, It shall dissolve into the spring soil to nourish the flower.
With different link (to avoid the redlink)  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 08:08, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Just did a minor edit to make it make sense. Simply south...... 19:52, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Support (this version) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:59, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - better than having a redlink. WVRMad • Talk • Guestbook  16:40, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south...... 00:16, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

✅ per consensus. Simply south...... 18:49, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

=== → Silent companions of the lonely hour, Friends, who can alter or forsake. Who for inconstant roving have no power, And all neglect, perforce, must calmly take. === Caroline Norton (1808–1877), To My Books. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 12:07, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Strong Support - Love this one!  MMS  2013  12:10, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Support. However, I'm not sure about inconstant roving.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 10:37, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

✅ per consensus. Simply south...... 18:49, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

→ Of all the gin joints in all the towns in all the world, she walks into mine.
Rick Blaine portrayed by Humphrey Bogart in Casablanca (1942) directed by Michael Curtiz, starring Humphrey Bogart, Ingrid Bergman and Paul Henreid. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 13:12, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - I simply had to smile at this! PrincessofLlyr  royal court 15:16, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Support -  MMS  2013  12:09, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Support. Frankly I don't see too much 'underlying meaning' here, but what the heck - we're lacking mottos. :)  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 13:01, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I like it :) sonia ♫  08:09, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

✅ per consensus. Simply south...... 18:49, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

=== → That place that does contain My books, the best companions, is to me A glorious court, where hourly I converse With the old sages and philosophers. === John Fletcher (1579–1625) and Philip Massinger (1583–1640) as Beaumont and Fletcher where Baumont is Francis Beaumont (1584–1616), The Elder Brother, Act I, Scene II (c.a. 1625) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 12:37, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - good message and links. PrincessofLlyr  royal court 15:17, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Support -  MMS  2013  12:07, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - great job with the linking. :)  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 12:51, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

✅ per consensus. Simply south...... 18:49, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

→ It's amazing how much you can learn if your intentions are truly earnest.
I think AGF might may possibly be overused a bit (although I defer to others on that one) but I thought this was too good of a quote to pass up.--Yaksar (let's chat) 20:55, 26 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Support ~ I like it very much! –p joe f (talk • contribs) 10:40, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment - I'm not sure if this is a bit too nit-picking, but the quote seems to be about your intentions, while AGF is about assuming others'.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 12:50, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Do you think a link to WP:DGF might be better?--Yaksar (let's chat) 01:36, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Yep, it would. I think the motto can be perfected if learn is also linked.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 14:21, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
 * What do you mean? I don't totally understand.--Yaksar (let's chat) 22:42, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Have you considered linking it, It's amazing how much you can learn if your intentions are truly earnest.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 13:50, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Ah, got it, I'll have a look and see what could work, thanks!--Yaksar (let's chat) 18:34, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: For now I just changed it to DGF, I'm struggling to find a good link for the first clause, so any help is appreciated, although I think its current state is pretty good too.--Yaksar (let's chat) 19:55, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

in favour of edit 1. Simply south...... 15:27, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

→ It's amazing how much you can learn if your intentions are truly earnest.
Edit 1 – WP:LEARN seems an obvious choice, IMO.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 10:47, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Support -  MMS  2013  12:16, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Support (Edit 1) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 13:31, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

✅ edit 1 per consensus. Simply south...... 15:27, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

→ It would be most unfortunate if long periods of peace and economic prosperity are replaced by endless bickerings over partisan interests.
 Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 14:01, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - Good message.  MMS  2013  12:08, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - good. PrincessofLlyr  royal court 12:32, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 14:27, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/March 26, 2011 (emergency) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 14:27, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

Silence exists as the greatest impediment to a long-term goal.
~ A H  1 (TCU) 12:28, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I like the quote, but I'm not sure about the linking. Why is WP:100k the greatest impediment, and why is Wikipedia the long term goal?--Yaksar (let's chat) 11:09, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Isn't "Silence/WP:Missing articles" the greatest impediment? –p joe f (talk • contribs) 10:50, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 10:50, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
 * support good message.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 12:04, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - although I have to agree with Yaksar that it is initially confusing. PrincessofLlyr  royal court 12:34, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Support -  MMS  2013  13:18, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/March 25, 2011 (emergency) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 14:09, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

Another new idea
I'm wondering if anyone could think of a good translation for 忍一時風平浪靜，退一步海闊天空. The best I can think of is 'If you tolerate for a moment, the winds will stop and the waves will be quiet; if you take a step back, the sea will be as wide as the sky.' That doesn't make much sense :)  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 14:57, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Endure temporary calm, take a step backwards?   RichardOwen97  talk  11:44, 6 February, 2011 (UTC)
 * That's not bad, but the proverb (you know, the parts about the ocean and waves etc) make it a statement rather than an imperative.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 12:23, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

Putting the above through Babelfish, translating from chinese comes up with "Endures to be uneventful for a while, draws back a boundlessness". In Japanese "Patience temporarily wind flat 浪 靜, the retreating/quitting part sea 闊 sky". In Korean "time, department skies". Hope this helps!!!! Simply south...... 15:12, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

- time, department skies. Simply south...... 00:16, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

My Chinese is awful, but here's a handful of attempts (varying from accurate translation to accurate sentiment; it's hard to do both and be comprehensible!) Take your pick :) sonia ♫  22:41, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Stand strong for a moment and the storm will abate; step back and the sea will mirror the sky.
 * Take a moment's stand and the waves will be quiet; take a step back and the ocean will be calm.
 * A moment's endurance will quiet the storm; a step back will silence the sea.
 * A moment's endurance will bring respite; a step back will bring peace.


 * I personally prefer the third, so...  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 01:07, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

So it is basically saying don't do things irrationally. Think it over? Also, does anyone know what time, department skies means? Good ol. Translations. Difficultly north (talk) 02:07, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Nope, it is saying that one should drop the stick, even when reasoning is on one's side. Something the League of Social Democrats really need to learn.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 06:56, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

in favour of translation. Simply south...... 20:36, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

A moment's endurance will quiet the storm; a step back will silence the sea.
here it is.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 01:07, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
 * "How's A moment's endurance will quiet the storm; a step back will silence the sea."? The second link could also be WP:GETOVERIT or, as in the original, WP:STICK, but I quite like the message given by WP:QUIET in that context :) sonia ♫  06:30, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

- see below. Simply south...... 20:36, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

A moment's endurance will quiet the storm; a step back will silence the sea
Edit 1 per Sonia; I think it's better!  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 08:39, 6 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Support (Edit 1) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:52, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Support (Edit 1) -  MMS  2013  12:17, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - good message. PrincessofLlyr  royal court 15:34, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

✅ edit 1 (?) per consensus. Simply south...... 20:36, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Don't put the cart before the horse
I feel this would encourage editors to make sure their sources are reliable before adding them as citations.--Yaksar (let's chat) 19:02, 8 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:56, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Neutral . While I do think this is a good set of links, this motto has huge potential and it may be possible to fit stronger sets of links.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 10:57, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Switching to support due to the lack of mottos here (as well as the lack of better ideas in my brain. :P ) Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 10:46, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

- not enough discussion. Simply south...... 00:16, 23 February 2011 (UTC) ✅ per consensus. Simply south...... 20:36, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - this is good! PrincessofLlyr  royal court 15:33, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

===→ Write it, cut it, paste it, save it, load it, check it, quick rewrite it=== Any better ideas for the individual phrases are much appreciated.--Yaksar (let's chat) 04:52, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Weak oppose as I'm not sure about save and rewrite. I've added one below.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 02:07, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

in favour of edit 1. Simply south...... 20:36, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

====→ Write it, cut it, paste it, save it, load it, check it, quick rewrite it==== Edit 1 ~ I know the original quote means save, as in save the document before shutting down the computer, but you can rescue one too. ;-)  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 02:07, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south...... 18:56, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

✅ per very weak consensus. Simply south...... 20:36, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Weak Support (edit 1) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:26, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Weak Support -  MMS  2013  12:09, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

→ "Cigarette?" "Yes, I know!"
Please can someone fix the fotmatting? Also the end part can be alternatively written as "yes, it is!" Difficultly north (talk) 17:06, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - it works well.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 12:32, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Support ~ What's the problem with the format? It looks fine. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 10:48, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
 * The linking had originally come out incorrectly, but it's fixed now.--Yaksar (let's chat) 11:13, 1 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Oppose It's nothing personal, but it just seems too hard to interpret what it means for someone who hasn't seen the film. It also just doesn't seem, ermm, motto-y enough. But please don't take this the wrong way.--Yaksar (let's chat) 11:12, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

✅ per weak consensus. Simply south...... 09:04, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

→ What you do not want done to yourself, do not do to others.
Nice quote.-- ♫Greatorangepumpkin♫ T 18:16, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - obvious and simple. PrincessofLlyr  royal court 18:17, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Weak Support ~ this is The Golden Rule, or, more precisely, its negative form or the Silver Rule. Even if it is one of the most important maxims/rules in our world, and one of the most basic concepts in our society, I think it has been used before many times in its different forms. For this reason I give it a weak support. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:15, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

✅ per weak consensus. Simply south...... 09:02, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

→ The world is a fine place and worth the fighting for and I hate very much to leave it.
Nice quote. ♫Greatorangepumpkin♫ T 18:10, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - good. PrincessofLlyr  royal court 18:17, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Support + changed the arrow link to point to Ernest Hemingway and not Wikiquote (I did the same for Confucius in the above nomination). –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:21, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

✅ per weak consensus. Simply south...... 09:02, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

Try to see the forest for the trees
Try to look at the bigger picture, not just how something's being viewed right now. Also considering having it link to WP:UNDUE.--Yaksar (let's chat) 19:02, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - I'm not sure if Joe Bloggs will understand it, but it's a good enough message.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 10:51, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

- not enough discussion. Simply south...... 00:16, 23 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 10:49, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

✅ per weak consensus. Simply south...... 09:02, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

→ Growing old is compulsory, Growing up is optional
I've heard this quite a few times before. I thought it would be good.. Thomas888b (Say Hi) 17:29, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Great quote! Can you think of any Wikipedia links that apply and add those? We normally don't approve mottoes with no links. PrincessofLlyr  royal court 18:17, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
 * The ages of wikipedians? Thomas888b (Say Hi) 20:46, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Terrific! Use that as the second link, and I think it would be fine. PrincessofLlyr  royal court 22:06, 5 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Note I added an arrow for the apparent origin of the quote.--Yaksar (let's chat) 22:24, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

→ Growing old is compulsory, growing up is optional
With links.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 08:41, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - pretty funny. Simply south...... 09:06, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Support -- Thomas888b (Say Hi) 15:32, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:54, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

per emergency and WP:IAR of WP:COI.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 01:36, 12 March 2011 (UTC)