Wikipedia:Motto of the day/Nominations/Archive 38

→ Fun and Mental is Fundamental
• A cleverly-titled chapter in the 2007 comedy film Mr. Magorium's Wonder Emporium, starring Dustin Hoffman and Natalie Portman. ~ Krenakarore (talk) 10:19, 20 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Support Simply south...... eating shoes for 5 years So much for ER 13:49, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - Looks good.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 18:30, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:12, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/September 16, 2011 (per consensus; 4 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:28, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

→ The only sensible way to live in this world is without rules.
Avenue X at Cicero (talk) 19:17, 31 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Oppose - This seems to be advocating totally abandoning the rules...  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 03:23, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Support ~ there are no rules on Wikipedia but "agreements"... and agreement can be changed, IAR not because it is the basis of all rules. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 10:58, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

(in favour of Edit 1) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:25, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

→ [Sometimes] The only sensible way to live in this world is without rules.
Edit 1 Avenue X at Cicero (talk) 08:18, 1 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Support. Because IAR. ~ AH1 (discuss!) 16:32, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - Better, although it would be even better with a comma after "Sometimes". :)  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 02:35, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south...... eating shoes for 5 years So much for ER 16:07, 15 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Changed bracket. Avenue X at Cicero (talk) 21:21, 19 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Support ~ moving my preference to Edit 1 –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:21, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

✅ (Edit 1) for Motto of the day/September 15, 2011 (per consensus; 4 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:25, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

→ I want to be alone.
Grusinskaya, the dancer, portrayed by Greta Garbo in Grand Hotel, a 1932 American drama film directed by Edmund Goulding, based on the 1930 play of the same title by William A. Drake, who had adapted it from the 1929 novel Menschen im Hotel by Vicki Baum, screen adaptation by William A. Drake and Béla Balázs, starring Greta Garbo, John Barrymore, Joan Crawford, Wallace Beery, Lionel Barrymore, Lewis Stone, Jean Hersholt, music composed by William Axt and Charles Maxwell, cinematography by William H. Daniels. There was a controversy about this line because Greta said in a later interview that "[She] only said &#147;I want to be let alone&#148;. There is all the difference." But, she clearly says: "I want to be alone". Watch this scene on YouTube. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:20, 12 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Support - Not sure if we should encourage wikibreaks or not, but this seems harmless enough. —  Mr. Stradivarius ♫ 13:12, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - King of pessimistic, isn't it? Do we really want people to take this on as their motto to live by? :)  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 18:27, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Re: Imho, it serves to raise awareness of wikibreak. Isn't? –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:44, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, but what I said is still true. Do we want someone to adopt this as their motto?  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 22:28, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Sure! For all of those who are taking or will take a wikibreak. We all need a wikibreak when we are busy, sick, at school/work, holiday/vacation and etcetera. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 11:58, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Look at the quote, not the link, dearest sir. Do we want someone to take that as their motto on Wikipedia?  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 20:38, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Per Hi.  That Ole Cheesy Dude  ( Talk to the hand! ) 12:16, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

(not enough discussion) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 11:16, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south...... eating shoes for 5 years So much for ER 00:03, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - We've lost too many editors --- (Wait, where did ↑he↑ come from?) already. -- Σ  talk contribs   23:09, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - Nothing wrong with it. Speaking of wikibreaks, it's time to go back to mine. ;) 96.250.28.224 (talk) 18:12, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
 * ^^ Oh shit, my bad. I am SimonKSK. 96.250.28.224 (talk) 18:12, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

→ WIKIPEDIA for World Heritage
 WIKIPEDIA for World Heritage!  –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:54, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south...... eating shoes for 5 years So much for ER 00:03, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - this seems like promotion, not a motto. Simply south...... digging mountains for 5 years 13:25, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment + Note: Yes, it's a promotion and not a motto, but what is wrong with it? We need to get people to sign up the petition, and it would be really great if we could show this "promo" next September (if approved, of course). –p joe f (talk • contribs) 11:10, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - I make a clear distinction between promotion of Wikipedia, and promotion of other things. It does say in my userboxes page that I have a pro-Wikipedia bias. ;) —  Mr. Stradivarius ♫ 13:13, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I think that we need to at least try to turn these things into mottos; I really don't like just having a blatant advertisement as a "motto".  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 18:27, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

→ What if everyone was given free access to the sum of all human knowledge?
Edit 1 with a phrase that exists on that page. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 06:58, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - Okay, now it just doesn't make sense.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 22:27, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

(both versions) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 11:15, 2 August 2011 (UTC) - no consensus. Simply south...... eating shoes for 5 years So much for ER 00:03, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

→ To begin to toboggan, first buy a toboggan, but not a too big a toboggan. A too big a toboggan is not a toboggan to buy to begin to toboggan.
Simply south...... digging mountains for 5 years 21:58, 8 July 2011 (UTC) - no consensus. Simply south...... eating shoes for 5 years So much for ER 00:03, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I think that the link is a bit too extreme for the quote, but I do love the quote.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 23:14, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Should there be a comma after "a too big" in the first line, or should the "a" be dropped? I don't think the link quite fits, but I can't think of one that's clearly better. Category:Wikipedia humor, perhaps. -- Black Falcon (talk) 18:29, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - These are all far too serious. —  Mr. Stradivarius ♫ 13:43, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

→ To begin to toboggan, first buy a toboggan, but not a too big a toboggan. A too big a toboggan is not a toboggan to buy to begin to toboggan.
This should work. Dorothy 1. Simply south...... improving for 5 years 17:44, 14 July 2011 (UTC) - no consensus. Simply south...... eating shoes for 5 years So much for ER 00:03, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - These are all far too serious. —  Mr. Stradivarius ♫ 13:43, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - Per Mr. Stradivarius.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 18:19, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

====→ To begin to toboggan, first buy a toboggan, but not a too big a toboggan. A too big a toboggan is not a toboggan to buy to begin to toboggan.==== Wicked Witch of the East. A different take on the motto. -- Black Falcon (talk) 18:01, 14 July 2011 (UTC) - no consensus. Simply south...... eating shoes for 5 years So much for ER 00:03, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - These are all far too serious. —  Mr. Stradivarius ♫ 13:43, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - Actually, I like this one, but I like the next edit just a bit more.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 18:20, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

====→ To begin to toboggan, first buy a toboggan, but not a too big a toboggan. A too big a toboggan is not a toboggan to buy to begin to toboggan.==== Wicked Witch of the West. A more literal interpretation of "a too big a toboggan". -- Black Falcon (talk) 18:01, 14 July 2011 (UTC) - no consensus. Simply south...... eating shoes for 5 years So much for ER 00:03, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I wasn't sure how to but yes I was also thinking it would be good if used for advice. I guess I'm one of this witch's followers. Simply south...... improving for 5 years So much for ER 17:00, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - These are all far too serious. —  Mr. Stradivarius ♫ 13:43, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - I think that this one is perfect.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 18:21, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

→ To begin to toboggan, first buy a toboggan, but not a too big a toboggan. A too big a toboggan is not a toboggan to buy to begin to toboggan.
Edit 4. The more light-hearted version. —  Mr. Stradivarius ♫ 13:44, 17 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Support (edit 4) ~ This seems to be the most "appropriate" linking. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 11:23, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I prefer the Wicked Witch of the West.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 18:21, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

(ALL VERSIONS) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 11:13, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south...... eating shoes for 5 years So much for ER 00:03, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

→ Sometimes to remove graffiti you just need a good scrubber with a good amount of soap.
Keeping with vandalism, I actually thought of this while scrubbing Puffy Paint off of me. :S Beluga  boy cup of tea? 23:23, 1 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 06:51, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Support. Love it!  That Ole Cheesy Dude  ( Talk to the hand! ) 12:16, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - Very good.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 02:44, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - Below sounds better.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 20:42, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Between Neutral and Support - It sends a good message, but I personally feel that not all graffiti should be classified as vandalism. :)  Simon KSK  18:14, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

✅ per consensus. Simply south...... eating shoes for 5 years So much for ER 00:03, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Sometimes to remove graffiti you just need a good scrubber with a decent amount of soap.
I didn't want to sound too redundant, so I replaced the second "good" with "decent". Beluga boy ''cup of tea? 12:30, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - I like this more. By the way, if you made up the quote, you shouldn't have a "→" at the start of it; that implies that it is actually quoted from somewhere. Also, I don't know what you thought you were doing in how you formatted this edit, but I fixed it.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 20:41, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

in favour of original. Simply south...... eating shoes for 5 years So much for ER 00:03, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

===→ Sit tibi terra levis ("May the earth rest lightly on you") === R.I.P.. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 13:01, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - Looks perfect to me.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 18:40, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

- no complete consensus. Simply south...... eating shoes for 5 years So much for ER 16:07, 15 August 2011 (UTC)


 * This has been nominated on the specials page, and it has a pretty good chance there.  Hi878 isn't home.   (Can I take a message?) 21:11, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

→ Ideas and collaboration, not extremism.
~ AH1 (discuss!) 16:16, 1 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 06:56, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Support Great.  That Ole Cheesy Dude  ( Talk to the hand! ) 12:16, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - It is scaring me how many I am supporting today.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 02:40, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

✅ per consensus. Simply south...... eating shoes for 5 years So much for ER 16:38, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

Watch me go from sundown to downtown.
~ AH1 (discuss!) 16:16, 1 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Support ~ I really like this one. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:18, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Support Love it.  That Ole Cheesy Dude  ( Talk to the hand! ) 12:16, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - Fantastic!  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 02:37, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

✅ per consensus. Simply south...... eating shoes for 5 years So much for ER 16:07, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

I want you for the MOTD Army.
Zombification of that old quote. -- The Σ talkcontribs 05:45, 7 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Oppose - We aren't an army, for one thing.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 05:47, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Emergency motto then? -- The Σ talk<sub style="margin-left:-3.5ex">contribs 05:59, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
 * NO! Emergency mottos should be almost-good ones, not crappy ones! This quote, or any version of it, I oppose completely, emergency or otherwise.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 06:00, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
 * The WP:CVU is an army. Just look at their userboxes! -- The Σ talk<sub style="margin-left:-3.5ex">contribs 20:26, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I think we should, in general, avoid Wikipedia–army comparisons. CVU may be an exception to that, so perhaps a CVU-related motto could work. -- Black Falcon (talk) 18:31, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - Agreed, I don't like the idea of Wikipedians being an army. It goes against the whole ethos of this place. — <b style="text-shadow:0.15em 0.15em 0.1em #555; color: #194D00; font-style: oblique; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif"> Mr. Stradivarius ♫</b> 14:08, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

per consensus. Simply south...... eating shoes for 5 years So much for ER 16:07, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

→ I want YOU for Counter-Vandalism Unit
Edit 1. A modified variant of "I want YOU for U.S. Army" that highlights WP:CVU. -- Black Falcon (talk) 18:31, 8 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Oppose - It still implies that CVU is an army, and I don't like any aspect of Wikipedia being called an army. Besides, in this form, how is this even a motto?  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 21:09, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - Of course it's an army. -- The Σ talk<sub style="margin-left:-3.5ex">contribs 21:43, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I'll admit that this one is more likely, but we have enough problems with over-zealous patrollers biting the newbies as it is. — <b style="text-shadow:0.15em 0.15em 0.1em #555; color: #194D00; font-style: oblique; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif"> Mr. Stradivarius ♫</b> 14:08, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south...... eating shoes for 5 years So much for ER 16:07, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

→ I want YOU for Article Rescue Squadron
Edit 2 –p joe f (talk • contribs) 06:59, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - No objection to this on the above grounds, but it just doesn't seem to strike the right tone, somehow. — <b style="text-shadow:0.15em 0.15em 0.1em #555; color: #194D00; font-style: oblique; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif"> Mr. Stradivarius ♫</b> 14:08, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I REALLY don't like any version of this motto at all, as stated above.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 18:16, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south...... eating shoes for 5 years So much for ER 16:07, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

→ I want YOU!
Edit 3 –p joe f (talk • contribs) 06:59, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
 * ... to marry a cardboard cutout of a tree? -- Σ  talk<sub style="margin-left:-3.5ex;"> contribs   00:25, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I thought it was supposed to be a real tree... I'm definitely opposing now.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 18:17, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - As per my first comment. — <b style="text-shadow:0.15em 0.15em 0.1em #555; color: #194D00; font-style: oblique; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif"> Mr. Stradivarius ♫</b> 14:08, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I REALLY don't like any version of this motto at all, as stated above.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 18:17, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

all four versions (no consensus) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:29, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south...... eating shoes for 5 years So much for ER 16:07, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

→ Don't make me destroy you.
-- The Σ talk<sub style="margin-left:-3.5ex">contribs 05:41, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I have a better idea.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 21:47, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - Blocking is a technical function that prevents a user account or IP address from editing, often only temporarily. It isn't quite strong enough for "destroy" in my mind but I think that, on the whole, the quote works. -- Black Falcon (talk) 17:24, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - Seems a bit scary for a motto. I prefer the light-hearted version. — <b style="text-shadow:0.15em 0.15em 0.1em #555; color: #194D00; font-style: oblique; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif"> Mr. Stradivarius ♫</b> 14:10, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment - A different version was used on February 20, 2007.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 20:13, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

- withdrawn\FUI. Simply south...... eating shoes for 5 years So much for ER 16:07, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

→ Don't make me destroy you.
Something-or-Other 1 -  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 21:47, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Withdrawn - A different version was used on February 20, 2007.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 20:13, 21 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Oppose - "Please be a giant dick so we can block you" connects to "Don't make me destroy you" how? The former invites a vandal to wreak havoc and destruction, whereas the latter is a stern warning. -- The Σ talk<sub style="margin-left:-3.5ex">contribs 05:37, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Did you think that the title might be sarcastic? :) Obviously, we aren't seriously telling people to do that, dearest sir.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 05:49, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Weak support, 2nd preference - It's funny, but the link-to-motto connection is less clear than in the original motto. -- Black Falcon (talk) 17:24, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - Funny = Good. — <b style="text-shadow:0.15em 0.15em 0.1em #555; color: #194D00; font-style: oblique; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif"> Mr. Stradivarius ♫</b> 14:10, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 11:32, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - A different version was used on February 20, 2007.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 20:13, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Re: 2007 is a long time ago. What's the problem? –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:27, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
 * The fact that it was used before. Are you really going to ask me that? You know I always oppose when they have been used before. :)  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 22:29, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

(no consensus; 3 in support and 1 opposed Edit 1) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:27, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

- withdrawn. Simply south...... eating shoes for 5 years So much for ER 16:07, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

===→ Nihil Sine Deo ("Nothing without God") === Latin motto –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:21, 5 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Oppose - The five pillars as God? I know they're important, but we might be offending some people here. — <b style="text-shadow:0.15em 0.15em 0.1em #555; color: #194D00; font-style: oblique; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif"> Mr. Stradivarius ♫</b> 10:16, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I was uncertain about this nom.... sorry! –p joe f (talk • contribs) 10:17, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I am inclined to agree.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 21:44, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south...... eating shoes for 5 years So much for ER 16:07, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

====→ Nihil Sine Deo ("Nothing without God") ==== Ravenous Bugblatter Beast of Traal 1 - Or will people not get this one? Hi 8 7 8  (Come shout at me!) 21:44, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Is this to do with Hermes Conrad? Simply south...... improving for 5 years So much for ER 16:06, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Is what? The link, or my replacement for the word "Edit"?  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 18:15, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

both versions (no consensus AND not enough discussion) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:18, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south...... eating shoes for 5 years So much for ER 16:07, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

→ It is only the dead who have seen the end of war.
Plato (424/423 BC – 348/347 BC) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:18, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I thought that the end of edit warring was when you found consensus... I'm sure there are some links we can use for this, but I can't think of any right now. — <b style="text-shadow:0.15em 0.15em 0.1em #555; color: #194D00; font-style: oblique; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif"> Mr. Stradivarius ♫</b> 10:20, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - Seems rather pessimistic, doesn't it? Does this mean that to solve the problem of edit warring, we should all just leave? Great message, my dear sir.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 21:38, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
 * What about using Lamest edit wars (shortcut: WP:LAME) for the last link? –p joe f (talk • contribs) 10:21, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Hmm, I'm not really liking that. That just seems like we're disparaging people who have left the project. — <b style="text-shadow:0.15em 0.15em 0.1em #555; color: #194D00; font-style: oblique; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif"> Mr. Stradivarius ♫</b> 14:17, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south...... eating shoes for 5 years So much for ER 16:07, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

→ It is only the dead who have seen the end of war.
Edit 1 -- The Σ talk<sub style="margin-left:-3.5ex">contribs 01:55, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - Same as for the original. By the way, my dear sir: NEW EDITS GO IN A SUBHEADING.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 21:39, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - As per Hi. The more I think about this one, the harder I think it will be to find links that work. But if someone can think of something clever, I'm all ears. — <b style="text-shadow:0.15em 0.15em 0.1em #555; color: #194D00; font-style: oblique; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif"> Mr. Stradivarius ♫</b> 14:17, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

both versions (no consensus AND not enough discussion) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:14, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south...... eating shoes for 5 years So much for ER 16:07, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

→ I want to thank you, for giving me the best day of my life. Oh, just to be with you is having the best day of my life.
Simply south...... digging mountains for 5 years 12:30, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - The quote seems a bit too extreme for the link.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 22:18, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I agree with Hi878. <span style="font-family:Palatino, Georgia, serif;"> — Mr. Stradivarius  ♫ 10:35, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
 * WP:FUN instead? Simply south...... digging mountains for 5 years 12:29, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
 * WP:BS maybe? -- The Σ talk<sub style="margin-left:-3.5ex">contribs 20:53, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

in favour of Sqigglywiggly 5. Simply south...... eating shoes for 5 years So much for ER 16:07, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

→ I want to thank you, for giving me the best day of my life. Oh, just to be with you is having the best day of my life.
Squigglywiggly 1 per me. Simply south...... digging mountains for 5 years 08:40, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - Doesn't match the extreme-ness of the quote, in my opinion.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 22:32, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

in favour of Sqigglywiggly 5. Simply south...... eating shoes for 5 years So much for ER 16:07, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

→ I want to thank you, for giving me the best day of my life. Oh, just to be with you is having the best day of my life.
Squigglywiggly 2 per Sigma. Simply south...... digging mountains for 5 years 08:40, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - Doesn't match the extreme-ness of the quote, in my opinion.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 22:32, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Support per me. -- The Σ talk<sub style="margin-left:-3.5ex">contribs 06:45, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

in favour of Sqigglywiggly 5. Simply south...... eating shoes for 5 years So much for ER 16:07, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

→ I want to thank you, for giving me the best day of my life. Oh, just to be with you is having the best day of my life.
Sqigglywiggly 3 per another link, alhough it might be as overkill as 1 Simply south...... digging mountains for 5 years 08:40, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - The page title is good, but not the actual content... :) Maybe we should give up on this quote; I don't see how we could find a link that actually works and fits how extreme the quote is.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 22:33, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

in favour of Sqigglywiggly 5. Simply south...... eating shoes for 5 years So much for ER 16:07, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

====→ I want to thank you, for giving me the best day of my life. Oh, just to be with you is having the best day of my life.==== Sqigglywiggly 4 ~ this is my attempt. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:52, 28 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Support although I am wondering about the final link. Simply south...... digging mountains for 5 years 19:27, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - All of it is perfect, except for the last link.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 22:31, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
 * You know that I do not like to explain my entries because no one can explain their meaning to readers. Anyway, here is an article that became part of both FA and Core articles. Surely there must be something better. Any suggestions? –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:46, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I was more not liking the location of the link, not the link itself. Putting it on "is having the best day of my life" seems strange, to me.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 23:16, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south...... digging mountains for 5 years 21:50, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

in favour of Sqigglywiggly 5. Simply south...... eating shoes for 5 years So much for ER 16:07, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

====→ I want to thank you, for giving me the best day of my life. Oh, just to be with you is having the best day of my life.==== Sqigglywiggly 5 per Hi 8 7 8. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:05, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - Perfect!  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 18:18, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

✅ per weak consensus. Simply south...... eating shoes for 5 years So much for ER 16:07, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

→ I want to thank you, for giving me the best day of my life. Oh, just to be with you is having the best day of my life.
squigglywiggly the sixth - The problem is that right after you say this you have to die if you want to produce the intended effect. -- Σ  talk<sub style="margin-left:-3.5ex"> contribs   07:00, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I prefer the fifth one.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 22:25, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south...... eating shoes for 5 years So much for ER 16:07, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

→ The large print giveth and the small print taketh away.
Verification. A lyric from the album Small Change (IIRC) by Tom Waits. -- Black Falcon (talk) 06:13, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - What?  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 23:21, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose. What connects the links? Either I'm a total idiot (quite possible) or it's too obscure a link choice... That Ole' Cheesy Dude (Talk to the hand!) 17:09, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I meant that policies and guidelines such as WP:BOLD and WP:IAR, which "give" editors expanded license, tend to be the "large print" on Wikipedia (what we advertise, e.g. Introduction), whereas the "small print" (the more specific guidelines and policies) tend to restrict what editors can do (in part by proscribing certain behavior, and in part by indicating what editors should do). However, you seem to be correct that the connection is too obscure and/or convoluted. -- Black Falcon (talk) 20:50, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose, this is rude to the gnomes. -- The Σ talk<sub style="margin-left:-3.5ex">contribs 19:18, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I didn't mean that editors who work on the "small print" take away from the encyclopedia; however, I can see now how it may be read in that way. Per above, the connection seems to be just too obscure. -- Black Falcon (talk) 20:50, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Per Σ. — <b style="text-shadow:0.15em 0.15em 0.1em #555; color: #194D00; font-style: oblique; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif"> Mr. Stradivarius ♫</b> 14:32, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

per consensus. Simply south...... eating shoes for 5 years So much for ER 16:07, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

→ The large print giveth and the small print taketh away.
Why edit 1? How about squigglywiggly 1? Simply south...... digging mountains for 5 years 12:33, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - Wouldn't it be the other way around?  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 22:38, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Not sure how relevant biting newbies is here. — <b style="text-shadow:0.15em 0.15em 0.1em #555; color: #194D00; font-style: oblique; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif"> Mr. Stradivarius ♫</b> 14:32, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

per consensus. Simply south...... eating shoes for 5 years So much for ER 16:07, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

→ The large print giveth and the small print taketh away.
squigglywiggly 2 -- The Σ talk<sub style="margin-left:-3.5ex">contribs 00:44, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Support That's a good squigglywiggly.  That Ole Cheesy Dude  ( Talk to the hand! ) 01:15, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - WP:GLOSSARY is full of the acronyms. I have an idea.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 19:22, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Confusing, maybe, but "taking away"? I'm not sure this quite fits. — <b style="text-shadow:0.15em 0.15em 0.1em #555; color: #194D00; font-style: oblique; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif"> Mr. Stradivarius ♫</b> 14:32, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

per consensus. Simply south...... eating shoes for 5 years So much for ER 16:07, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

→ The large print giveth and the small print taketh away.
Squigglywiggly 3 - I think something simpler, like this, would be better. Hi 8 7 8  (Come shout at me!) 19:22, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

- No consensus yet reached. Hi 8 7 8  (Come shout at me!) 01:51, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose. As per Edit 2. — <b style="text-shadow:0.15em 0.15em 0.1em #555; color: #194D00; font-style: oblique; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif"> Mr. Stradivarius ♫</b> 14:32, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I was thinking something along the lines of using full page names in discussions is good (gives understanding?), and using all of the acronyms is bad (they taketh away understanding?).  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 18:13, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south...... eating shoes for 5 years So much for ER 16:07, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

→ The large print giveth and the small print taketh away.
Edit 4. An alternative perspective based on IAR. — <b style="text-shadow:0.15em 0.15em 0.1em #555; color: #194D00; font-style: oblique; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif"> Mr. Stradivarius ♫</b> 14:32, 17 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Support (edit 4) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 11:36, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment - Can you explain how those links connect to their pages? I get the idea, but how does "large print" link to IAR?  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 18:12, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south...... eating shoes for 5 years So much for ER 16:07, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

→ When you're going through hell, keep going.
PsyMar (talk) 22:12, 26 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Support - On the condition that you limit the first link to the word "hell", as opposed to "going through hell".  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 22:35, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Support -- Σ  talk<sub style="margin-left:-3.5ex"> contribs   16:42, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Support per Hi878. :) Beluga  boy cup of tea? 01:50, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Support. A most very sensible idea. ~ AH1 (discuss!) 16:38, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 11:02, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/September 9, 2011 (per WP:SNOW) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 11:32, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

→ I'm addicted and I just can't get enough.
Avenue X at Cicero (talk) 14:00, 26 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Support - Looks good.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 22:34, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Support -- Σ  talk<sub style="margin-left:-3.5ex"> contribs   16:42, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 11:03, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/September 8, 2011 (per consensus; 4 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 11:29, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

===→ Per ardua ad astra ("Through Adversity to the Stars") === Latin motto –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:38, 26 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Support - Seems fine.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 22:31, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Support. Encouraging. ~ AH1 (discuss!) 16:40, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Support -  MMS  2013  00:10, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/September 7, 2011 (per consensus; 4 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 11:27, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

→ War does not determine who is right — only who is left
Bertrand Russell (18 May 1872 – 2 February 1970) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:25, 26 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Support - Very good message.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 22:31, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Support -- Σ  talk<sub style="margin-left:-3.5ex"> contribs   16:42, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Support The message is clear, and I like it. Beluga  boy cup of tea? 01:51, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/September 6, 2011 (per consensus; 4 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 11:24, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

===→ We fought for our future Destroyed the invader And brought to our homeland the laurels of fame Our glory will live in the memory of nations And all generations will honour her name=== Nescit cedere. -- The Σ talk<sub style="margin-left:-3.5ex">contribs 03:01, 13 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Support - This is now officially perfect, according to me. — <b style="text-shadow:0.15em 0.15em 0.1em #555; color: #194D00; font-style: oblique; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif"> Mr. Stradivarius ♫</b> 13:02, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - Ok, Hi's version is better... — <b style="text-shadow:0.15em 0.15em 0.1em #555; color: #194D00; font-style: oblique; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif"> Mr. Stradivarius ♫</b> 10:14, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Support (switching my preference to Edit 1) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 11:03, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - Purely because I actually have an idea, finally.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 18:30, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

(in favour of Edit 1) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 11:20, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

====→ We fought for our future Destroyed the invader And brought to our homeland the laurels of fame Our glory will live in the memory of nations And all generations will honour her name ==== Edit 1 Sort of... Hi 8 7 8  (Come shout at me!) 18:30, 20 July 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm beginning to consider moving this to the special section, as it's almost October. Thoughts? -- Σ talk<sub style="margin-left:-3.5ex">contribs 19:15, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I'd rather get this motto out there as soon as possible, seeing as we went through so much to get it to a point where it is acceptable. :) I don't want to wait any longer than necessary.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 19:16, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - I like this one better than the one above. — <b style="text-shadow:0.15em 0.15em 0.1em #555; color: #194D00; font-style: oblique; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif"> Mr. Stradivarius ♫</b> 10:14, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't see how the last link relates to everything else. -- Σ  talk<sub style="margin-left:-3.5ex"> contribs   22:37, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Really? It is fitting under the idea of going down in history, in my opinion.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 16:49, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Support (edit 1) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:48, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/September 5, 2011 (per consensus; 4 in support and 1 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 11:20, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

===→ What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans, and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or the holy name of liberty and democracy?=== Mahatma Gandhi (2 October 1869 – 30 January 1948) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 17:52, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
 * You've confused totalitarianism with authoritarianism. -- The Σ talk<sub style="margin-left:-3.5ex">contribs 22:20, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I love all of it, except for the "totalitarianism" link. Fix that, and I shall support. I tried to come up with something, but I failed rather miserably.   Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 00:12, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Support. I checked the definitions of totalitarianism and authoritarianism to see what the difference was, but it didn't seem all that relevant to the situation here. I don't see why article ownership can't be a metaphor for total political and economic control by a nation state. (Of course, I'm no political scientist, and I'm open to correction here.) <span style="font-family:Palatino, Georgia, serif;"> — Mr. Stradivarius  ♫ 07:15, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south...... digging mountains for 5 years 21:50, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

(no consensus) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 11:07, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

If you're good at editing, always do it for free.
Avenue X at Cicero (talk) 11:50, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - I was about to oppose, but then I thought about it, and realized that there are people who edit for money, and changed my mind. Good job!  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 22:33, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Support -- Σ  talk<sub style="margin-left:-3.5ex"> contribs   16:42, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Support. Safe. jorgenev 19:21, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

✅ per consensus. Simply south...... improving for 5 years So much for ER 19:49, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

→A martini. Shaken, not stirred.
James Bond (a.k.a 007) portrayed by Sean Connery in Goldfinger a directed by Guy Hamilton, written by Ian Fleming, starring Sean Connery, Shirley Eaton, Gert Fröbe, Honor Blackman, Harold Sakata, Bernard Lee, Tania Mallet, with music composed by John Barry. Watch the scene. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 13:15, 19 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Oppose February 6th.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 18:10, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Oops ~ I have not checked the archives /o\. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 06:49, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

→A martini. Shaken, not stirred.
Edit 2 with Help:Editing and WikiProject Wikify, instead of "Raise a glass high!". –p joe f (talk • contribs) 13:20, 19 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Oppose February 6th.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 18:10, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

(Withdrawn by nominator) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:05, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

In all we trust
Avenue X at Cicero (talk) 09:45, 19 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Support + Note: There was a similar nomination, "In Jimbo we trust", but it was rejected on November 2006. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 10:40, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - Looks fine.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 18:37, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Support Great.  That Ole Cheesy Dude  ( Talk to the hand! ) 20:04, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Support.  Rcsprinter  (talk)  11:24, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/September 3, 2011 (per WP:SNOW) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:00, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

→ To Dare is To Do
Avenue X at Cicero (talk) 14:59, 17 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Oppose - Nice idea, but I'm not sure fans of other teams will appreciate us using a Spurs motto. — <b style="text-shadow:0.15em 0.15em 0.1em #555; color: #194D00; font-style: oblique; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif"> Mr. Stradivarius ♫</b> 08:34, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Support ~ Why not? I am not a Spurs supporter, but I think it conveys a good (and bold) message. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 10:51, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Support Doesn't particularly matter about other teams, if they feel cheated, then let them contribute their own team's motto. Good quote,  That Ole Cheesy Dude  ( Talk to the hand! ) 12:57, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - Should we not use that motto from the Russian National Anthem, then? Will it make editors of other nationalities feel bad? A motto is a motto; we shouldn't oppose over the source.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 18:42, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi, that's going to go unnoticed. Remember the Hitler quotes? -- Σ talk<sub style="margin-left:-3.5ex">contribs 19:06, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, I don't think we should give the source as much weight as the quote itself, but I don't think we can ignore it. That said, I'm not completely against the idea of using this. There's no doubt that it's a good motto. — <b style="text-shadow:0.15em 0.15em 0.1em #555; color: #194D00; font-style: oblique; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif"> Mr. Stradivarius ♫</b> 10:08, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I remember the Hitler quotes, and I didn't care then, either. How many people do you think actually look at the source of these quotes, anyways?  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 19:14, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/September 2, 2011 (per consensus; 4 in support and 1 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:59, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

→ Made it, Ma! Top of the world!
No. 18 on AFI's 100 Years...100 Movie Quotes list. -- Black Falcon (talk) 19:40, 13 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Support - Very nice. — <b style="text-shadow:0.15em 0.15em 0.1em #555; color: #194D00; font-style: oblique; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif"> Mr. Stradivarius ♫</b> 12:51, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Support ~ Yes I like it too. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 10:55, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - Looks fine.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 18:36, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - Good.  That Ole Cheesy Dude  ( Talk to the hand! ) 20:02, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/September 1, 2011 (per WP:SNOW) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:56, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

→ Fasten your seatbelts. It's going to be a bumpy night!
Margo Channing portrayed by Bette Davis in All About Eve a 1950 Anerican drama film written and directed by Joseph L. Mankiewicz, based on the 1946 short story "The Wisdom of Eve", by Mary Orr, starring Bette Davis, Anne Baxter, George Sanders, Celeste Holm and Thelma Ritter, and music composed by Alfred Newman. ► –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:24, 28 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Oppose - I don't really like the link.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 22:34, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south...... improving for 5 years 19:10, 13 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Support - I do. -- Σ  talk<sub style="margin-left:-3.5ex;"> contribs   01:54, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I don't like the link either, and the wikiquette alerts noticeboard may be phased out anyway. (I am heavily involved in its possible replacement, WP:DRN, so I may be biased here.) In any case, I think I know a better link... — <b style="text-shadow:0.15em 0.15em 0.1em #555; color: #194D00; font-style: oblique; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif"> Mr. Stradivarius ♫</b> 12:54, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

(in favour of Edit 1) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:54, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

→ Fasten your seatbelts. It's going to be a bumpy night!
Edit 1. I think this captures the dramatic nature of the quote, if you know what I mean. ;) — <b style="text-shadow:0.15em 0.15em 0.1em #555; color: #194D00; font-style: oblique; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif"> Mr. Stradivarius ♫</b> 12:57, 17 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Support (edit 1) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 10:58, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - Looks fine.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 18:35, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/August 31, 2011 (per consensus; 3 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:54, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

===→ Ubi panis ibi patria ("Where there is bread, there is (my) country") === Latin motto of all emigrants/immigrants. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:55, 28 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Support - Looks fine.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 22:33, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south...... improving for 5 years 19:10, 13 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Support - Yep, like it. — <b style="text-shadow:0.15em 0.15em 0.1em #555; color: #194D00; font-style: oblique; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif"> Mr. Stradivarius ♫</b> 12:58, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/August 30, 2011 (per consensus; 3 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:52, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

→ Show me the money!
I'm not completely sure about this one since it is, after all, a promotional motto, but I think it's worth proposing. -- Black Falcon (talk) 18:45, 13 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Support - Absolutely, yes. I can't see anything at all wrong about fundraising for Wikipedia's cause on Wikipedia itself. Just think of all those Jimbo banner ads. :) — <b style="text-shadow:0.15em 0.15em 0.1em #555; color: #194D00; font-style: oblique; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif"> Mr. Stradivarius ♫</b> 13:00, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Support ~ There is nothing wrong with this. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 11:02, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Support -- Σ talk<sub style="margin-left:-3.5ex">contribs 03:27, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I think that we can do better, and actually make it a MOTTO. For instance...  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 18:34, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/August 29, 2011 (per consensus; 4 in support and 1 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:50, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

→ Show me the money!
Edit 1 - I'm sure someone can come up with something better. Hi 8 7 8  (Come shout at me!) 18:34, 20 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Oppose, as this encourages editcountitis. -- Σ talk<sub style="margin-left:-3.5ex">contribs 22:29, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

(in favour of the original) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:50, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

===→ Novus ordo saeclorum (New Order of the Ages) === Latin motto on the reverse of the Great Seal of the United States (1782) and printed on the back of the United States one-dollar bill since 1935. Here is to signify: "the beginning of the Wikipedia Era". –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:54, 12 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Support - This also sounds like pro-Wikipedia bias, but that's fine by me. ;) — <b style="text-shadow:0.15em 0.15em 0.1em #555; color: #194D00; font-style: oblique; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif"> Mr. Stradivarius ♫</b> 13:16, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - Pay attention, everyone! I am actually supporting a non-project-space link!  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 18:24, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, it is still about Wikipedia... — <b style="text-shadow:0.15em 0.15em 0.1em #555; color: #194D00; font-style: oblique; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif"> Mr. Stradivarius ♫</b> 10:15, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I know, but I almost always oppose when the link is to the article on Wikipedia. I found it somewhat surprising that I was fine with it.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 19:18, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/August 28, 2011 (per consensus; 3 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:39, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

→ Not stepping o'er the bounds of modesty.
William Shakespeare (1564–1616), Romeo and Juliet, Act IV, Scene II (1597)


 * I never knew Shakespeare had a WP account. Is Romeo and Juliet his sock? -- The Σ talk<sub style="margin-left:-3.5ex">contribs 21:23, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Dunnolol –p joe f (talk • contribs) 11:12, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - I like it, and I think W.S. would approve. — <b style="text-shadow:0.15em 0.15em 0.1em #555; color: #194D00; font-style: oblique; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif"> Mr. Stradivarius ♫</b> 13:17, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - Lets not start putting word in Mr. Shakespeare's mouth, my dear Mr. Stradivarius. :)  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 18:24, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/August 27, 2011 (per consensus; 3 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:38, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

===→ I took the road less traveled by And that has made all the difference.=== -- The Σ talk<sub style="margin-left:-3.5ex">contribs 06:45, 11 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Support - I like this - a good and very under-used link. — <b style="text-shadow:0.15em 0.15em 0.1em #555; color: #194D00; font-style: oblique; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif"> Mr. Stradivarius ♫</b> 13:18, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
 * This is okay. My problem is (if I have one) that the second part is unlinked, so I decided to propose the one below. Also, I was not able to find a second link for this version. What about using something like: "Help:Editing" for the second line? Imho, it needs a link for "making the difference". –p joe f (talk • contribs)
 * Support - I think that this is perfect the way it is, actually.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 18:23, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:35, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/August 26, 2011 (per consensus; 4 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:35, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

====→ I took the road less traveled by And that has made all the difference.==== Edit 1 –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:11, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
 * 2nd preference support -- The Σ talk<sub style="margin-left:-3.5ex">contribs 03:05, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - Too complicated, and we use WP:DEV and WP:FA all the time. The first version seems simpler and more powerful to me. — <b style="text-shadow:0.15em 0.15em 0.1em #555; color: #194D00; font-style: oblique; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif"> Mr. Stradivarius ♫</b> 13:20, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I prefer the original.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 18:23, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

(in favour of the original) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:35, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

→ After all, tomorrow is another day!
Verification. A motto derived from this quote was selected for 27 July 2006: "After all, tomorrow is another featured article candidate!" -- Black Falcon (talk) 17:41, 21 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Support - Since the other one used was different, I will support this. The link seems fine.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 23:59, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - Used twice before, and I'm not sure why I thought a different version of the quote worked either.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 20:10, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:49, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Strong oppose WP:MOTD/S Simply south...... digging mountains for 5 years 22:07, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

allthough this qualifies as FUI. Simply south...... digging mountains for 5 years 21:50, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose per Simply South. Fair use images are not allowed on Wikipedia space. :P -- The Σ talk<sub style="margin-left:-3.5ex">contribs 06:08, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Maybe this got lost at some point, but I'm not following you about the fair-use images. Is there going to be an image used with this motto or something? — <b style="text-shadow:0.15em 0.15em 0.1em #555; color: #194D00; font-style: oblique; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif"> Mr. Stradivarius ♫</b> 13:51, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Above, Simply South reopened it because "this qualifies as FUI." Take a look at where WP:FUI goes, even though that wasn't the page Mr. South was talking about. Any more questions? :)  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 20:10, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - Looks good to me. Not sure what the comments about fair-use images are getting at. — <b style="text-shadow:0.15em 0.15em 0.1em #555; color: #194D00; font-style: oblique; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif"> Mr. Stradivarius ♫</b> 13:51, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
 * People, we have a page above called FREQUENTLY USED IDEAS  20:04, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
 * If you think it is so important, put the motto on it. :) I for one never have looked at that page when nominating.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 20:10, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

(no consensus; 3 in support and 3 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:31, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

→ Mother of Mercy! Is this the end of Rico?
Litlle Caesar (aka "Rico") portrayed by Edward G. Robinson in Little Caesar, a 1931 American Pre-Code crime/gangster film directed by Mervyn LeRoy, based on a 1929 novel of the same name by William R. Burnett, screenplay adaptation by Francis Edward Faragoh, Robert N. Lee, Robert Lord and Darryl F. Zanuck, starring Edward G. Robinson, Douglas Fairbanks, Jr. and Glenda Farrell, and with music composed by Erno Rapee. (See the scene on YouTube) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:39, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - A little quirky, but I like it. — <b style="text-shadow:0.15em 0.15em 0.1em #555; color: #194D00; font-style: oblique; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif"> Mr. Stradivarius ♫</b> 10:13, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - This is one of my rare "What the hell; I'll support it" supports.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 21:45, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/August 25, 2011 (per consensus; 3 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:19, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

→ New knowledge is the most valuable commodity on Earth. The more truth we have to work with, the richer we become.
Another Cat's Cradle one.--Yaksar (let's chat) 20:50, 18 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Oppose - Horrible second link.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 23:25, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose as is, per the second link. -- Black Falcon (talk) 01:58, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose. I like the WP:GROWTH version. — <b style="text-shadow:0.15em 0.15em 0.1em #555; color: #194D00; font-style: oblique; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif"> Mr. Stradivarius ♫</b> 10:32, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

(in favour of Edit 4) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:12, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

→ New knowledge is the most valuable commodity on Earth. The more truth we have to work with, the richer we become.
Edit 1. Trying a different 2nd link. -- Black Falcon (talk) 01:58, 21 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Oppose - I have an idea.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 05:02, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose. I like the WP:GROWTH version. — <b style="text-shadow:0.15em 0.15em 0.1em #555; color: #194D00; font-style: oblique; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif"> Mr. Stradivarius ♫</b> 10:32, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

(in favour of Edit 4) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:12, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

→ New knowledge is the most valuable commodity on Earth. The more truth we have to work with, the richer we become.
Edit 2 - How's this? Hi 8 7 8  (Come shout at me!) 05:02, 21 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Support - Yes, this is better than Edit 1. -- Black Falcon (talk) 15:46, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Support ~ I do prefer this version (edit 2) my 2nd favourite after edit 4 below. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 16:48, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Support Oppose - WP:GROWTH is definitely better. — <b style="text-shadow:0.15em 0.15em 0.1em #555; color: #194D00; font-style: oblique; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif"> Mr. Stradivarius ♫</b> 10:32, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I've changed my mind - I think edit 4 is the best. — <b style="text-shadow:0.15em 0.15em 0.1em #555; color: #194D00; font-style: oblique; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif"> Mr. Stradivarius ♫</b> 10:39, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

(in favour of Edit 4) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:12, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

→ New knowledge is the most valuable commodity on Earth. The more truth we have to work with, the richer we become.
Fish 3 Another emergency motto. -- The Σ talk<sub style="margin-left:-3.5ex">contribs 05:18, 21 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Oppose - That seems to make MotD sound a bit more important than it is.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 06:02, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Well of course. We want the people to think that MOTD is an important project. -- The Σ talk<sub style="margin-left:-3.5ex">contribs  00:04, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

- No consensus yet reached. Hi 8 7 8  (Come shout at me!) 01:51, 4 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Oppose. Per Hi. — <b style="text-shadow:0.15em 0.15em 0.1em #555; color: #194D00; font-style: oblique; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif"> Mr. Stradivarius ♫</b> 10:32, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

(in favour of Edit 4) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:12, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

→ New knowledge is the most valuable commodity on Earth. The more truth we have to work with, the richer we become.
Edit 4 (with Wikipedia for the 2nd link and WP:TRUTHS=Verifiable but not false for the 3d) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:15, 5 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Oppose Support. Again, there's that WP:TRUTH link. Maybe we should write our own version so that we have an essay to link to that isn't sarcastic? — <b style="text-shadow:0.15em 0.15em 0.1em #555; color: #194D00; font-style: oblique; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif"> Mr. Stradivarius ♫</b> 10:32, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok, forget that - I see it actually is a different essay. I think this version is the best yet after reading it. — <b style="text-shadow:0.15em 0.15em 0.1em #555; color: #194D00; font-style: oblique; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif"> Mr. Stradivarius ♫</b> 10:37, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - On the condition that you, first of all, switch "earth" to "Earth", and second, make the link only over the word "Earth".  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 21:37, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
 * ✅ –p joe f (talk • contribs)

✅ for Motto of the day/August 24, 2011 (per consensus; 3 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:12, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

→ Without establishing national laws, how can you suppress the rebellion?
Verification. A motto of Ma Hung-kwei, a 20th-century Chinese warlord and general. -- Black Falcon (talk) 06:00, 18 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Oppose - I prefer WP:5P.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 23:16, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I prefer edit 1. — <b style="text-shadow:0.15em 0.15em 0.1em #555; color: #194D00; font-style: oblique; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif"> Mr. Stradivarius ♫</b> 14:39, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

(in favour of Edit 1) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:08, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

→ Without establishing national laws, how can you suppress the rebellion?
Edit 1. Linked "national laws" to WP:5P, which contains a more general statement of principles than can be found in WP:LOP. -- Black Falcon (talk) 06:00, 18 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Support - The best of the three.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 23:15, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 16:52, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/August 23, 2011 (per consensus; 3 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:08, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

→ Without establishing national laws, how can you suppress the rebellion?
Edit 2. Changed focus to WP:VANDALISM, versus WP:NOT. -- Black Falcon (talk) 06:00, 18 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Support, brilliant! -- The Σ talk<sub style="margin-left:-3.5ex">contribs 07:13, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - Without policies, the block button would still be there, I would think.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 23:15, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
 * True, but how would we know when to use it? :) -- Black Falcon (talk) 20:53, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - Agreed, this looks like the best version. — <b style="text-shadow:0.15em 0.15em 0.1em #555; color: #194D00; font-style: oblique; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif"> Mr. Stradivarius ♫</b> 14:39, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

- No consensus yet reached. Hi 8 7 8  (Come shout at me!) 01:52, 4 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Oppose - Per Hi. — <b style="text-shadow:0.15em 0.15em 0.1em #555; color: #194D00; font-style: oblique; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif"> Mr. Stradivarius ♫</b> 14:39, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

(edit 3) (in favour of Edit 1) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:08, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

→ Liberty, equality, fraternity
The motto of France just popped in my head and reflected Wiki ideologies, so here goes my first nomination. Avenue X at Cicero (talk) 14:29, 17 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Support - I see that this has already appeared here on August 13th, but I'm inclined to support it because it has different links. — <b style="text-shadow:0.15em 0.15em 0.1em #555; color: #194D00; font-style: oblique; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif"> Mr. Stradivarius ♫</b> 08:31, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Yeah, three times is definitely too many. Twice I could have lived with. — <b style="text-shadow:0.15em 0.15em 0.1em #555; color: #194D00; font-style: oblique; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif"> Mr. Stradivarius ♫</b> 10:04, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Weak Oppose ~ Approved twice on 25 July 2010 and 13 August 2008. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 10:47, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - Used twice already? Come on, nobody can still want to support it...  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 18:37, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - Two is already too many. Three is a killer.  That Ole Cheesy Dude  ( Talk to the hand! ) 20:01, 21 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Appeared thrice too many. Avenue X at Cicero (talk) 16:47, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

→ There was never a good war, or a bad peace.
A Franklin quote. Avenue X at Cicero (talk) 15:23, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - WP:Motto of the day/June 16, 2011. -- Σ talk<sub style="margin-left:-3.5ex">contribs 19:54, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Op per Sigma.  That Ole Cheesy Dude  ( Talk to the hand! ) 20:00, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - Obviously.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 20:15, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment - Aargh...Should have seen it in the archives, :-( Avenue X at Cicero (talk) 08:29, 22 July 2011 (UTC)


 * - Used before, extremely recently.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 16:51, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

→ Mankind's greatest achievements have come about by talking, and its greatest failures by not talking.
Sorry it's been so long. I found this quote yesterday and I thoguht it'll work for Motto of the Day. Secret Saturdays  ( talk to me )what's new? 16:45, 16 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Support. Fab!  That Ole Cheesy Dude  ( Talk to the hand! ) 17:06, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - Works for me. -- Σ  talk<sub style="margin-left:-3.5ex;"> contribs   17:18, 16 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Support - Slight doubts over the message of the last link, but I thought it was historically interesting, so I say go for it. :) — <b style="text-shadow:0.15em 0.15em 0.1em #555; color: #194D00; font-style: oblique; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif"> Mr. Stradivarius ♫</b> 12:50, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Support ~ Thank you, Secret Saturdays, this is a great (and ispirational) quote. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 10:54, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/August 22, 2011 (per WP:SNOW) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 11:53, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

===→ The world isn't divided into good people and Death Eaters. We've each got little bit of light and dark in us.=== -- The Σ talk<sub style="margin-left:-3.5ex">contribs 19:48, 10 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Support - Excellent! I hope you won't mind, but I changed the WP-shortcut links to meta. It's worth noting that a similar motto was used in Motto of the day/Schedule/Archive 2008; however, the two mottos share no links and only half of the text, and so the meaning is completely different. -- Black Falcon (talk) 18:13, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - Yep, liking this. — <b style="text-shadow:0.15em 0.15em 0.1em #555; color: #194D00; font-style: oblique; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif"> Mr. Stradivarius ♫</b> 13:21, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Support ~ It's a bit too "darkish" but it's okay. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 11:20, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/August 21, 2011 (per consensus; 4 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 11:50, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

→ I'm as mad as hell, and I'm not going to take this anymore!
-- Black Falcon (talk) 17:29, 8 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Support - :)  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 18:06, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - Boom! — <b style="text-shadow:0.15em 0.15em 0.1em #555; color: #194D00; font-style: oblique; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif"> Mr. Stradivarius ♫</b> 13:54, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Support ~ Outbursting motto. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 11:30, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/August 20, 2011 (per consensus; 4 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 11:47, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

→ Remember when you were young, you shone like the sun. ... Shine on you crazy diamond.
Roger Waters, Richard Wright, and David Gilmour "Shine On You Crazy Diamond" from the 1975 album Wish You Were Here by Pink Floyd. This song/piece[ of Art], a nine-part – 26 minutes composition, is a tribute to former band member (and one of the most influential artists of all time) Roger Keith "Syd" Barrett (6 January 1946, Cambridge, England – 7 July 2006, Cambridge, England), who left the band in 1968 and died exactly 5 years ago (R.I.P. Syd). I'm not sure about the set of links I used here. I tried something related to newbies, but I failed. Any suggestions? –p joe f (talk • contribs) 10:11, 7 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Support - I think that it is wonderful.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 18:47, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - Agree with Hi878. -- Black Falcon (talk) 17:59, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - Poetry in links. — <b style="text-shadow:0.15em 0.15em 0.1em #555; color: #194D00; font-style: oblique; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif"> Mr. Stradivarius ♫</b> 13:55, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/August 19, 2011 (per consensus; X in support and X opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 11:45, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

===C'est la vie ("That's life")=== I found it hard to come up with a link and I think this is the only one that remotely fits. Simply south...... digging mountains for 5 years 15:49, 5 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Support - It looks fine to me.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 21:45, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - Yep, looks good. — <b style="text-shadow:0.15em 0.15em 0.1em #555; color: #194D00; font-style: oblique; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif"> Mr. Stradivarius ♫</b> 14:10, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Support ~ What about adding a link to "C'est la vie" (it's a disambiguation page)? –p joe f (talk • contribs) 11:42, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/August 18, 2011 (per consensus; 4 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 11:42, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

===→ Semper paratus. ("Always prepared.") === Lowercase Sigma (talk) 03:01, 17 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Weak support are you always prepared on tools? Would RCP work better? Difficultly north (talk) 19:10, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I like the idea, but not the linking. Mr. North's idea seems like it would be good.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 23:13, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose. I prefer edit 1. — <b style="text-shadow:0.15em 0.15em 0.1em #555; color: #194D00; font-style: oblique; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif"> Mr. Stradivarius ♫</b> 14:40, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

(in favour of Edit 1) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 11:40, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

====→ Semper paratus. ("Always prepared.") ==== Edit 1 per myself. Simply south...... eating shoes for 5 years 23:17, 19 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Support - Much better.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 00:52, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 16:54, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

- No consensus yet reached. Hi 8 7 8  (Come shout at me!) 01:52, 4 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Support - Simple is good. — <b style="text-shadow:0.15em 0.15em 0.1em #555; color: #194D00; font-style: oblique; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif"> Mr. Stradivarius ♫</b> 14:40, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

✅ (Edit 1) for Motto of the day/August 17, 2011 (per consensus; 4 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 11:40, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

→ Hold your horses!
-- The Σ talk<sub style="margin-left:-3.5ex">contribs 20:11, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Strong Oppose - too recent. Simply south...... digging mountains for 5 years 21:14, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I agree.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 22:35, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

- FUI. Simply south...... improving for 5 years 19:11, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

→ I stick my neck out for nobody
Rick Blaine portrayed by Humphrey Bogart in Casablanca, a 1942 film directed by Michael Curtiz based on Everybody Comes to Rick's by Murray Burnett and Joan Alison. Screenplay by Julius J. Epstein, Philip G. Epstein, Howard Koch, and Casey Robinson, starring Humphrey Bogart, Ingrid Bergman, and Paul Henreid; music composed by Max Steiner, cinematography by Arthur Edeson. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 10:26, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I don't really think that the link fits.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 19:08, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I don't quite see the connection. -- Black Falcon (talk) 21:17, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

→ I stick my neck out for nobody
Edit 1 with Just drop it. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 10:30, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I don't really think that the link fits.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 19:08, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I don't quite see the connection. -- Black Falcon (talk) 21:17, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

→ I stick my neck out for nobody
Fish the second -- The Σ talk<sub style="margin-left:-3.5ex">contribs 20:40, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - The best of them, so far.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 00:56, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - It took me a few minutes to see a connection, but it still seems a bit obscure to me. WP:QUIET is more about taking a humble and patient approach to discussions and disagreements rather than "stick[ing one's] neck out" for someone else. -- Black Falcon (talk) 21:17, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

→ I stick my neck out for nobody
Fish the third -- The Σ talk<sub style="margin-left:-3.5ex">contribs 20:40, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I prefer Edit 2.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 00:56, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I think WP:QUIET (Edit 2) is a better fit, although I oppose that one too. -- Black Falcon (talk) 21:17, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

→ I stick my neck out for nobody
Edit 4. -- Black Falcon (talk) 21:20, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I still think Edit 2 is the best.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 00:53, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

→ I stick my neck out for nobody
Fish the fifth -- The Σ talk<sub style="margin-left:-3.5ex">contribs 22:30, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I don't know... I like that Edit 2 sends a bit more of a serious message; so many of these are funny ones.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 04:27, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

all - no consensus. Simply south...... digging mountains for 5 years 19:33, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south...... improving for 5 years 19:11, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

===→ Non incautus futuri ("Not Unmindful of the Future") === Latin motto. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 10:18, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - Looks fine.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 19:06, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
 * The one time I decide to skip actually looking at the page... :) Oppose.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 23:17, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - The link's title is perfect, but the target is an old discussion page (the last active discussion was in 2003 or 2004). -- Black Falcon (talk) 21:26, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south...... digging mountains for 5 years 19:33, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

in favour of fish 1. Simply south...... improving for 5 years 19:11, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

====→ Non incautus futuri ("Not Unmindful of the Future") ==== Fish 1 -- The Σ talk<sub style="margin-left:-3.5ex">contribs 22:55, 30 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Support - This looks fine (and I actually checked the page this time!).  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 23:17, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:33, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

✅ per consensus. Simply south...... improving for 5 years 19:11, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

===→ Come you masters of war / You that build all the guns / You﻿ that build the death planes / You that build the big bombs / You that hide behind walls / You that hide behind desks / I just want you to know I can see through your masks.=== Bob Dylan's "Masters of War", a song from his 2nd studio album The Freewheelin' Bob Dylan released in 1963. ~ –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:37, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - Looks fine to me.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 22:33, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - good job. -- The Σ talk<sub style="margin-left:-3.5ex">contribs 17:06, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

✅ per consensus. Simply south...... improving for 5 years 19:11, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

→ I have always depended on the kindness of strangers.
-- Black Falcon (talk) 17:39, 8 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Support - That'll do.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 18:06, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
 * The quote sounds a little boring. -- The Σ talk<sub style="margin-left:-3.5ex">contribs 21:25, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Support. Good. Simply south...... digging mountains for 5 years 21:29, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 06:54, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/August 14, 2011 (per consensus; 4 in support and 1 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:01, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

→ If they give you ruled paper, write the other way.
 That Ole Cheesy Dude  ( Talk to the hand! ) 14:19, 4 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Support - Wonderful!  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 16:33, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Support (v‾‾‾‾‾v) ¿ʇxǝʇ uʍop-ǝpısdn ɹo sʇdıɹɔs ʍǝɹqǝɥ puɐ ɔıqɐɹɐ sɐ ɥɔns ƃuıʇıɹʍ ʇɟǝl oʇ ʇɥƃıɹ (^____^) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:05, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - Very nice. — <b style="text-shadow:0.15em 0.15em 0.1em #555; color: #194D00; font-style: oblique; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif"> Mr. Stradivarius ♫</b> 10:21, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/August 13, 2011 (per consensus; 4 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 06:51, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

→ Sims everywhere agree: The egg came first, but only after the chicken.
Or should it link to Straw poll? Simply south...... eating shoes for 5 years 10:08, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment - I think that WP:STRAW would probably be better.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 00:51, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

(in favour of Edit/Hay bale 1) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 06:49, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

- not enough discussion. Simply south...... digging mountains for 5 years 10:10, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

→ Sims everywhere agree: The egg came first, but only after the chicken.
Hay bale 1 per Hi878. Simply south...... digging mountains for 5 years 10:10, 4 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Support - Looks good.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 16:33, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment - Maybe linking WP:SOCK would be good. -- The Σ talk<sub style="margin-left:-3.5ex">contribs 17:05, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
 * How does having or being a sockpuppet relate to being indecisive? Simply south...... digging mountains for 5 years 20:33, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Socks → !vote stacking → consensus. -- The Σ talk<sub style="margin-left:-3.5ex">contribs 21:57, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:06, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - Looks ok to me. — <b style="text-shadow:0.15em 0.15em 0.1em #555; color: #194D00; font-style: oblique; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif"> Mr. Stradivarius ♫</b> 10:27, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - Fab stuff.  That Ole Cheesy Dude  ( Talk to the hand! ) 20:43, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/August 12, 2011 (per consensus; 5 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 06:49, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

→ Be generous with kindly words, especially about those who are absent.
I've been thinking of a way to incorporate the missing Wikipedians list for a while now, finally found my quote.  That Ole Cheesy Dude  ( Talk to the hand! ) 17:42, 28 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Support - Good job. Looks fine.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 22:34, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:34, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - As amusing as the humorous mottos can be, and as thought-provoking as the deeply philosophical ones are, I really like these more subdued and simple, yet still meaningful, ones. :) -- Black Falcon (talk) 05:59, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/August 11, 2011 (per consensus; 4 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 06:45, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

===→ Spectemur agendo ("Let us be judged by our acts.") === "Spectemur agendo", Metamorphoses (AD 8) by Publius Ovidius Naso (43 BC – AD 17 or 18) ♫ –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:54, 7 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Support - We as an encyclopedia dedicated to amassing knowledge in the vast warehouse of Wikipedia, will be judged on the quality and truthfulness of our articles. -- The Σ talk<sub style="margin-left:-3.5ex">contribs 07:07, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I don't get the first link. "be judged" = "Wikipedia is an encyclopedia"?  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 05:46, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Support. I took that as future generations judging us by the quality of our writing. <span style="font-family:Palatino, Georgia, serif;"> — Mr. Stradivarius  ♫ 14:31, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment: Yes, that was my intention, Mr. Stradivarius, but also to those who approach Wikipedia for the first time (and there are so many, particularly in the academic world.) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:34, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I like the intended meaning, but I feel that the content of WP:ENC does not do justice to that meaning. Perhaps WP:COMPREHENSIVE would work better in place of WP:ENC? -- Black Falcon (talk) 01:24, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Support Simply south...... digging mountains for 5 years 21:50, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

✅ per consensus. Simply south...... digging mountains for 5 years 21:50, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

====→ Spectemur agendo ("Let us be judged by our acts.") ==== Edit 1. I don't at all feel strongly about this one, but it may be worth a look. It's not nearly as thought-provoking as the original but it is perhaps more straightforward. The link to Help:User contributions could be replaced with Special:MyContributions. -- Black Falcon (talk) 01:52, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - Well, this one makes sense, at least.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 04:59, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south...... digging mountains for 5 years 12:09, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose. I prefer the original thought-provoking version, but I am open to persuasion if it doesn't get enough support. <span style="font-family:Palatino, Georgia, serif;"> — Mr. Stradivarius  ♫ 10:37, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

in favour of original. Simply south...... digging mountains for 5 years 21:50, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

→ I just want to say one word to you. Just one word. [...] “Plastics!”
Mr. McGuire portrayed by Walter Brooke to Benjamin Braddock portrayed by Dustin Hoffman in The Graduate, a 1967 American film directed by Mike Nichols, based on the 1963 novel The Graduate by Charles Webb, screenplay adaptation by Calder Willingham and Buck Henry, starring Anne Bancroft, Dustin Hoffman, Katharine Ross, William Daniels, Murray Hamilton, Elizabeth Wilson, cinematography by Robert Surtees, editing by Sam O'Steen, music composed by Dave Grusin, and songs written by Paul Simon. From the point of view of Ben(jamin), who replied to Mr. McGuire: "Exactly how do you mean?" → full 1 min. scene on YouTube. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 18:25, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I don't get it.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 00:12, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose. I don't get it either... <span style="font-family:Palatino, Georgia, serif;"> — Mr. Stradivarius  ♫ 06:58, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Benjamin also did not get it... so, I think it is perfect! –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:12, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

→ I just want to say one word to you. Just one word. [...] “Plastics!”
Take 2 with Special:NewPages for something new, which is the point of view of Mr. McGuire. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 18:25, 21 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Oppose - See above.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 00:12, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Same for this one. <span style="font-family:Palatino, Georgia, serif;"> — Mr. Stradivarius  ♫ 06:58, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Here, Mr. McGuire is excited for the "plastics" novelty, an innovation, a new idea, a new business. ♠ –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:12, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

per WP:SNOW. Simply south...... digging mountains for 5 years 21:50, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

===→ We fought for our future Destroyed the invader And brought to our homeland the laurels of fame Our glory will be in the memory of nations And all generations will honor her name=== Suggestions for the last line? -- The Σ talk<sub style="margin-left:-3.5ex">contribs 22:57, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - No, I can't think of any... It is all good, except for the last link. The last two lines seem a bit too grand for the link. :)  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 05:07, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

====→ We fought for our future Destroyed the invader And brought to our homeland the laurels of fame Our glory will be in the memory of nations And all generations will honor her name==== Edit 1 -- The Σ talk<sub style="margin-left:-3.5ex">contribs 05:39, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I don't know... I don't really like either of those.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 05:43, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

====→ We fought for our future Destroyed the invader And brought to our homeland the laurels of fame Our glory will be in the memory of nations And all generations will honor her name==== Edit 2, someone help me! -- The Σ talk<sub style="margin-left:-3.5ex">contribs 05:55, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I don't really like the media links.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 22:32, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Meaning media links in general.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 22:32, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I can't think of anymore... My ideas for this have run dry. -- The Σ talk<sub style="margin-left:-3.5ex">contribs 22:33, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

====→ We fought for our future Destroyed the invader And brought to our homeland the laurels of fame Our glory will be in the memory of nations And all generations will honor her name==== Edit 3 with Researching Wikipedia for the last link. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:55, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I don't like using a media link for the second-to-last line. I don't really like having press=nations.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 19:02, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

====→ We fought for our future Destroyed the invader And brought to our homeland the laurels of fame Our glory will be in the memory of nations And all generations will honor her name==== Edit 4 with Wikipedia records for the last link. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:55, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I don't like using a media link for the second-to-last line. I don't really like having press=nations.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 19:02, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

====→ We fought for our future Destroyed the invader And brought to our homeland the laurels of fame Our glory will be in the memory of nations And all generations will honor her name==== Edit 5 with Why Wikipedia is so great for the last link. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:55, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Support This is closer to what I was looking for. 2nd preference if fish 6 doesn't get through. -- The Σ talk<sub style="margin-left:-3.5ex">contribs 02:26, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I don't like using a media link for the second-to-last line. I don't really like having press=nations.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 19:03, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

====→ We fought for our future Destroyed the invader And brought to our homeland the laurels of fame Our glory will be in the memory of nations And all generations will honor her name==== Fish the Sixth -- The Σ talk<sub style="margin-left:-3.5ex">contribs 02:23, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I don't like using a media link for the second-to-last line. I don't really like having press=nations.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 19:03, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

====→ We fought for our future Destroyed the invader And brought to our homeland the laurels of fame Our glory will be in the memory of nations And all generations will honor her name==== Fish the seventh -- The Σ talk<sub style="margin-left:-3.5ex">contribs 20:33, 15 June 2011 (UTC) ====→ We fought for our future Destroyed the invader And brought to our homeland the laurels of fame Our glory will be in the memory of nations And all generations will honor her name==== Fish the eighth -- The Σ talk<sub style="margin-left:-3.5ex">contribs 00:57, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - Huh?  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 00:54, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Referring to the first sentence in the lead. -- The Σ talk<sub style="margin-left:-3.5ex">contribs 00:57, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I don't know... I really don't like any of the ideas for the last two lines.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 23:11, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
 * What ideas do you have then? -- The Σ talk<sub style="margin-left:-3.5ex">contribs 23:14, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
 * If I had any, I would have nominated them. :)  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 23:20, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south...... digging mountains for 5 years 23:40, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Since it is only the last two lines which are causing issues, perhaps we could just exclude them? By the way, I don't think this is an actual translation of the Soviet anthem; rather, it appears to be a relatively close English-language version of the Soviet anthem. A Google search seems to confirm this and points to Paul Robeson as the author. -- Black Falcon (talk) 01:27, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
 * But then it sounds unimpressive... -- The Σ talk<sub style="margin-left:-3.5ex">contribs 01:33, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Why is Hi the only one who's made an !opinion on these? More opinions requested. -- The Σ talk<sub style="margin-left:-3.5ex">contribs 22:19, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I've been wondering something similar: Why is my opinion being trusted so completely by you? :P  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 23:58, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Nobody's bothering to add their opinion, and therefore, being unanimously an oppose, a new idea was to be formed. Meanwhile, I doubt I'll be able to think of any more ideas. This is pretty much all everyone else has to choose from now. -- The Σ talk<sub style="margin-left:-3.5ex">contribs 00:06, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
 * And please don't close this until consensus is reached. -- The Σ talk<sub style="margin-left:-3.5ex">contribs 22:48, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I just had a look at all the links, and I agree with Hi878 that none of them seem to capture the lofty tone of the quote. I did find a couple more links that could possibly work - I'll post them here rather than make a new suggestion. How about wikimedia:Wikimedia Movement Strategic Plan Summary? (It's only three and a half years in the future though.) Also, WP:10 has a section about Wikipedia being in it for the long haul, though it's a bit short. I think pages related to Wikipedia will be like a long time in the future are the way to go here, but of course, I'm open to persuasion. <span style="font-family:Palatino, Georgia, serif;"> — Mr. Stradivarius  ♫ 07:38, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

====→ We fought for our future Destroyed the invader And brought to our homeland the laurels of fame Our glory will be in the memory of nations And all generations will honor her name==== Fish 9 -- The Σ talk<sub style="margin-left:-3.5ex">contribs 01:33, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - As above.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 04:58, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

all - there has still been no consensus determined in over 2 weeks. Simply south...... digging mountains for 5 years 21:50, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

→ When war is declared, Truth is the first casualty.
Arthur Ponsonby (1871–1946) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:04, 31 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Oppose - I think that you should take a look at the WP:TRUTH page, my dear sir. "Truth" in the sense meant on that page is part of Edit Wars, I would think.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 19:50, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
 * What about using WP:FIVE for "Truth"? –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:32, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I think that I would support that.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 22:30, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose. I think the truth link does fit, but nonetheless I like WP:FIVE better. <span style="font-family:Palatino, Georgia, serif;"> — Mr. Stradivarius  ♫ 07:45, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south...... digging mountains for 5 years 23:40, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

in favour of edit 2. Simply south...... digging mountains for 5 years 21:50, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

→ When war is declared, Truth is the first casualty.
Fish 1 for another emergency motto. -- The Σ talk<sub style="margin-left:-3.5ex">contribs 05:13, 21 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Oppose - Retire=War? Nice try.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 06:00, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Per Hi. <span style="font-family:Palatino, Georgia, serif;"> — Mr. Stradivarius  ♫ 07:45, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

in favour of edit 2. Simply south...... digging mountains for 5 years 21:50, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

→ When war is declared, Truth is the first casualty.
Edit 2 with WP:FIVE. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 16:42, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - Yes!  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 23:57, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Support. Yep, this looks good. <span style="font-family:Palatino, Georgia, serif;"> — Mr. Stradivarius  ♫ 07:45, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

✅ per consensus. Simply south...... digging mountains for 5 years 21:50, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

=== → When we look at a thing, we must examine its essence and treat its appearance merely as an usher at the threshold, and once we cross the threshold, we must grasp the essence of the thing; this is the only reliable and scientific method of analysis. === Mao Zedong (1893–1976), "A Single Spark Can Start A Prairie Fire" (5 January 1930) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:58, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - Some of the links seem kind of odd... The third and second to last seem especially weird.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 19:59, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Agreed - the link to WP:EDIT seems out of place. <span style="font-family:Palatino, Georgia, serif;"> — Mr. Stradivarius  ♫ 07:54, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

- not enough discussion. Simply south...... digging mountains for 5 years 23:40, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

in favour of edit 1 + 2 = 3

→ This is the only reliable and scientific method of analysis.
Fish 1, now shortened. -- The Σ talk<sub style="margin-left:-3.5ex">contribs 00:58, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - This looks fine.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 01:15, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I have been persuaded to oppose.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 22:29, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - This reminds me of truth by consensus and "wikiality". :) Consensus, on Wikipedia, is not a scientific method of analysis, and it is too fluid and subjective to be reliable. WP:VERIFIABILITY or WP:NOR may be better links, in my opinion. -- Black Falcon (talk) 01:41, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
 * But you don't analyse anything in those. -- The Σ talk<sub style="margin-left:-3.5ex">contribs 01:44, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Hmm, that's true. I'm tempted to suggest WP:TRUTH—based on the page's nutshell: "Your opinions are The Truth, and thus are unquestionably correct."—or meta:MPOV as tongue-in-cheek replacements. :)
 * I'm afraid I can't think of an alternative at the moment, so I'll have to revisit this later. -- Black Falcon (talk) 02:12, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose. This too reminds me of wikiality. Very truthy indeed ;) <span style="font-family:Palatino, Georgia, serif;"> — Mr. Stradivarius  ♫ 07:54, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

in favour of edit 1 + 2 = 3

→ This is the only reliable and scientific method of analysis.
Edit 2. Rather than have it about articles, how about making it a metaphor for disputes? <span style="font-family:Palatino, Georgia, serif;"> — Mr. Stradivarius  ♫ 07:54, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - This works.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 22:28, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
 * On second though, this isn't scientific, and nothing is being analyzed. In my opinion, we shouldn't stray too far away from the actual quote, in most cases.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 22:31, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

in favour of edit 1 + 2 = 3

→ This is the only reliable and scientific method of analysis.
Edit 1 + the following:

Σ <sub style="margin-left:-2.2ex; font-size:90%">k=0 2−k <sup style="margin-left:-5.5ex"> ∞

That eventually becomes 1 + 2 = 3. Heh. -- The Σ talk<sub style="margin-left:-3.5ex">contribs 01:47, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Marvelous! Now to dry my keyboard and lap of tea... :) -- Black Falcon (talk) 06:40, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - Lovely.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 21:34, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

✅ per consensus. Simply south...... digging mountains for 5 years 21:50, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

→ Don't Worry, Be Happy
Simply south...... digging mountains for 5 years 21:21, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I would prefer a more editor-oriented link.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 22:36, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - prefer Edit 1. -- Black Falcon (talk) 19:08, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

(in favour of Edit 1) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:01, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

→ Don't Worry, Be Happy
Edit 1 ~ Actually, found the perfect link. Simply south...... digging mountains for 5 years 22:40, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - I agree.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 23:54, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - me too. -- Black Falcon (talk) 19:08, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Support Oo-oo-oo-oo-oo-oo-oo... –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:29, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/August 7, 2011 (per consensus; 4 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:01, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

→ Omnia mutantur. ("Everything changes.")
-- The Σ talk<sub style="margin-left:-3.5ex">contribs 20:00, 28 June 2011 (UTC)


 * please could you translate this? Simply south...... digging mountains for 5 years 20:45, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
 * It's Latin, it means "All changes" - Omnia mutantur (or everything changes).  That Ole Cheesy Dude  ( Talk to the hand! ) 20:50, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay then. Support. Simply south...... digging mountains for 5 years 21:09, 28 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Support - Good one. Looks fine.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 22:35, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:31, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/August 6, 2011 (per consensus; 4 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:58, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

===→ Pari passu ("with an equal step") === Latin motto. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 17:58, 21 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Support - Looks good.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 00:11, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Support. Yep, that's a good one. <span style="font-family:Palatino, Georgia, serif;"> — Mr. Stradivarius  ♫ 06:59, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Support. Schedule this one, it's good stuff.  That Ole Cheesy Dude  ( Talk to the hand! ) 17:50, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/August 5, 2011 (per consensus; 4 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:55, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

→ I believe in one thing only, the power of human will.
-- The Σ talk<sub style="margin-left:-3.5ex">contribs 06:46, 20 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Support - Looks good.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 00:51, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 16:45, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

✅ per consensus. Simply south...... digging mountains for 5 years 10:09, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

→ I believe in one thing only, the power of human will.
Fish 1 Another emergency motto. -- The Σ talk<sub style="margin-left:-3.5ex">contribs 05:17, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - No! Emergency mottos still need to work.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 06:01, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

in favour of original. Simply south...... digging mountains for 5 years 10:09, 4 July 2011 (UTC)