Wikipedia:Motto of the day/Nominations/Archive 40

The greater the power, the dangerous the abuse.
This one would be for 23rd December 2012. I think it will be good.That's me! Have doubt?  Track me!  15:46, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Any reason why? Simply south...... "time, department skies" for 5 years 16:50, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

No date specified; already on schedule as result of normal nomination. Hi 8 7 8  (Come shout at me!) 18:37, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

→ I just want to tell you both, good luck. We're all counting on you.
Another famous quote. Shame I couldn't think of anything funny. Would WP:BOLD work as well? Simply south...... "time, department skies" for 5 years 15:47, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment - I would have said WP:ACE2011, except it is a bit late. I can't think of anything that isn't so overused as this... Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 22:36, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Thinking about this, I think this would be a great message for New Year's Eve or New Year's Day. Simply south...... "time, department skies" for 5 years 14:42, 17 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Support - For New Year's Day. Hi 8 7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 06:11, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:57, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - good message for the new year. <font face="Lucida Calligraphy"> PrincessofLlyr royal court 19:59, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Support, although the link isn't perfect. Still a great quote, and I do like it for the first or thirty-first.  Nolelover   Talk · Contribs  23:25, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - works for me. — <b style="text-shadow:0.15em 0.15em 0.1em #555; color: #194D00; font-style: oblique; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif"> Mr. Stradivarius ♫</b> 08:56, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/January 1, 2012 (per consensus) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:03, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

Happy New Year’s Eve...
Part 1 of 2 (for 31 December 2012). –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:57, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I would prefer having an actual motto. <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 19:47, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

... & Happy New Year from Motto of the Day!
Part 2 of 2 (for 1 January 2013). A bit bland but with a bit of suspense, and to the point. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:57, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I would prefer having an actual motto. <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 19:48, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

→ Be at war with your vices; at peace with your neighbours, and let every new year find you a better man.
This was told by Benjamin Franklin some 100's of years ago,I think it will do a great one for New Years Day. Night Of Darkness 13:27, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Support Although I'm the nom,but I think this will be very good among the others.Night Of Darkness 15:02, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment I don't think you needed to add this to inform evryone you support the nom, in fact i don't believe you'd nominate it in the first place if you didn't support it :-) benzband  ( talk ) 22:00, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - We already have one for New Year's Day, and I prefer that one. <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 18:29, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

As the original has already been approved. Note: I combined all nominations for New Year's for clarity, even though they were originally split. <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8  <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 18:37, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

→ A daughter of the gods, divinely tall. And most divinely fair.
For International Women's Day (IWD) Thursday, 8 March 2012."Alfred Tennyson (1809–1892), 'A Dream of Fair Women' (1833)" –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:48, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I don't really like "the gods" or "divinely tall". I'm not sure what to replace them with, though. By the way, do you really need to nominate these so far in advance? :P <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 01:08, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Reply: Yes, so we have time to make a better version of it. Any good suggestions? –p joe f (talk • contribs) 14:00, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
 * support I'm fine with "divinely tall"; "the gods" could also be linked to WP:EDIAN perhaps. <font color="#CC0099">sonia ♫  01:14, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Weak support - OK, but we do get a lot of links to WP:FA isn't their something else we could link to? <font face="Trebuchet MS" color="#8B0000">WVRMad •<font face="Trebuchet MS" color="#2E8B57">Talk •<font face="Trebuchet MS" color="#4682B4">Guestbook 16:54, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Weak oppose, mainly per Hi878, and suggest Edit 1. I think the quote is perfect for IWD (nice choice, pjoef), but I prefer a different link for "divinely tall". -- Black Falcon (talk) 05:22, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Weak oppose. I actually quite like this version, but I think edit 1 is better. — <b style="text-shadow:0.15em 0.15em 0.1em #555; color: #194D00; font-style: oblique; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif"> Mr. Stradivarius ♫</b> 14:45, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose in favor of edit 1. — mc10 ( t / c ) 04:03, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

(in favour of Edit 1) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:17, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

→ A daughter of the gods, divinely tall. And most divinely fair.
Edit 1. -- Black Falcon (talk) 05:22, 9 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Support - This seems better than the original, though I think there could probably be a better link than WP:LENGTH. — <b style="text-shadow:0.15em 0.15em 0.1em #555; color: #194D00; font-style: oblique; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif"> Mr. Stradivarius ♫</b> 14:45, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
 * What about using "Manual of Style (accessibility)" (shortcut: MOS:ACCESS) for the second link? It's about length. Otherwise, I will support this version (edit 1). –p joe f (talk • contribs) 12:01, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - I think that this one is perfect. Good job! <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 18:03, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Support --  Forty two  16:23, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Support – Links are much better than the original. — mc10 ( t / c ) 04:03, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Support (as per all of the above) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:09, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Support —  James ( Talk •  Contribs ) • 7:18pm • 09:18, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/March 8, 2012 (per WP:SNOW) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:17, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

===→ Whatever else be lost among the years, Let us keep Christmas still a shining thing...=== Alternate Christmas motto if the below series fails (which wouldn't upset me at all). I'm sure someone can come up with a better linking, as I have been failing recently at it (but none of you have seen that, because I haven't posted most of my ideas. :P). <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8  <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 03:23, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Strong Oppose in favour of edit 1. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:00, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Support (both versions with a slight preference for edit 1) for 25 December 2011. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:44, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Fine! Be that way! :P <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 19:16, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Support — James (Talk • Contribs) • 10:05am • 00:05, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - a very nice motto, though I think it could be even better if the second link was more relevant to the first. (Perhaps something about editors -community -new editors joining -cooperation?) <font face="Trebuchet MS" color="#8B0000">WVRMad •<font face="Trebuchet MS" color="#2E8B57">Talk •<font face="Trebuchet MS" color="#4682B4">Guestbook 16:47, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose in favor of edit 1. — mc10 ( t / c ) 21:30, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - yeah, edit 1 pips this at the post. Sorry! — <b style="text-shadow:0.15em 0.15em 0.1em #555; color: #194D00; font-style: oblique; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif"> Mr. Stradivarius ♫</b> 15:02, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Why are you sorry? I came up with both, so as long as you are supporting one of them... :) <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 16:22, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

in favour of edit 1. Simply south...... "time, department skies" for 5 years 18:27, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

====→ Whatever else be lost among the years, Let us keep Christmas still a shining thing...==== Edit 1 - Better second link, perhaps? <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8  <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 06:09, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Strong Support!!! –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:00, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - yes this is slightly better than the first one. Simply south...... playing tunes for 5 years 14:53, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Support (both versions with a slight preference for this one). –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:57, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Support —  James ( Talk •  Contribs ) • 7:19pm • 09:19, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - much better link! <font face="Lucida Calligraphy"> PrincessofLlyr royal court 13:48, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - Yeah ~ benzband  ( talk ) 17:24, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Support – Although the original wasn't bad, this version has better links. — mc10 ( t / c ) 21:30, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - suitably poignant + better than the original = ho ho ho. — <b style="text-shadow:0.15em 0.15em 0.1em #555; color: #194D00; font-style: oblique; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif"> Mr. Stradivarius ♫</b> 15:00, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

✅ per consensus. Simply south...... "time, department skies" for 5 years 18:27, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

→ Wikipedia is for life, not just for Christmas
Pun on the Dog's Trust slogan, 'A dog is for life, not just for Christmas'. For the day after Christmas. <small style="border:1px solid #444;background:grey"> <strong style="background:grey;color:#FFF"> RichardOwen97  talk  12:06, 9 January, 2011 (UTC)


 * comment - I fail to see any connection between the 2 links.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 15:05, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment - Make articles as complete as possible, don't leave out information and create stubs. Some users see the ease in which new articles can be created as problematic. Many users know something about a subject, but few have exhaustive knowledge of the subject they are writing about. That leads to users creating stubs (very short articles) that need to be extended by someone with more knowledge before the article can be useful to anyone. This irritates some because it leaves a lot of unfinished work in Wikipedia. ~ in the first link. <small style="border:1px solid #444;background:grey"> <strong style="background:grey;color:#FFF"> RichardOwen97  talk  17:39, 9 January, 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - sorry, too immediatist in my opinion.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 06:22, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment - I put this into a subheading under my proposal, due to the fact that we seem to be putting nominations for the same date in the same heading. <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 00:00, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I don't think that the links make sense. <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 00:00, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose – The links don't make much sense to me. — mc10 ( t / c ) 03:01, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - Excessive creation of stubs may not be constructive, but creating stubs needs to be done - we can't just create every article from scratch and expect it to be a C/B class article straight away. Just putting a little bit of information to sum the topic up could be useful for a reader just needing a definition or explanation. <font face="Trebuchet MS" color="#8B0000">WVRMad •<font face="Trebuchet MS" color="#2E8B57">Talk •<font face="Trebuchet MS" color="#4682B4">Guestbook 16:43, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

in favour of edit 1. Simply south...... "time, department skies" for 5 years 18:27, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

===→ Sit tibi terra levis ("May the earth rest lightly on you") === For September 11, 2011, the tenth anniversary of the September 11 attacks. Avenue X at Cicero (talk) 05:55, 14 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Support: Originally nominated by, moved here by . Avenue X at Cicero (talk) 05:55, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Support ~ It seems appropriate for 9/11. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 11:03, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - I'll close the other nomination. <font style="color:#DC143C">Hi878 isn't home.   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Can I take a message?) 21:09, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/September 11, 2011 (per consensus; 4 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:30, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

→ Will somebody please go to my Wikipedia page and add that I coined the word "Nawesome"?
This was said by 'Fat Mike' (see on wikiquote) and illustrates a blatant COI case benzband  ( talk ) 15:19, 27 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Support - Looks good. <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 18:50, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - I love that this is a real quote! <font face="Lucida Calligraphy"> PrincessofLlyr royal court 20:02, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, someone even acted upon it. It's still in there, if you can spot it ;) benzband  ( talk ) 09:59, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:10, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/December 31, 2011 (per consensus) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:14, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

===→ Via, Veritas, Vita ("The Way, The Truth, The Life") === It is attributed to Jesus Christ. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 10:45, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - Lovely! <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 20:03, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Support although i didn't really get the third link. benzband  ( talk ) 13:46, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - I love all these Latin mottoes you find. <font face="Lucida Calligraphy"> PrincessofLlyr royal court 14:46, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

✅ per consensus. Simply south...... dropping heavy trees for 5 years 20:39, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

→ The aims of life are the best defense against death.

 * benzband ( talk ) 23:19, 26 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Support - Can't really argue with that. <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 23:24, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Strong Support! –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:48, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Amen - <font face="Lucida Calligraphy"> PrincessofLlyr royal court 14:45, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

✅ per consensus. Simply south...... dropping heavy trees for 5 years 20:39, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

===→ Information is not knowledge. Knowledge is not wisdom. Wisdom is not truth. Truth is not beauty. Beauty is not love. Love is not music. Music is the best.=== Frank Vincent Zappa (21 December 1940, Baltimore, Maryland, U.S. – 4 December 1993, Los Angeles, California, U.S.). "Packard Goose", Joe's Garage: Act III, (1979) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pjoef (talk • contribs) 09:46, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Support! - ha ha ha ha! :-) benzband  ( talk ) 09:57, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose in favor of edit 2. benzband  ( talk ) 13:41, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I like all of it, except for the "beauty" link; what does that have to do with anything? <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 20:05, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

(in favour of Edit 1) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:00, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

====→ Information is not knowledge. Knowledge is not wisdom. Wisdom is not truth. Truth is not beauty. Beauty is not love. Love is not music. Music is the best.==== Edit 1 with WP:PERFECT for "beauty". Was also considering WP:LAYOUT, but this one seemed a shade more appropriate. — <b style="text-shadow:0.15em 0.15em 0.1em #555; color: #194D00; font-style: oblique; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif"> Mr. Stradivarius ♫</b> 09:08, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - That'll do. <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 19:07, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Support ok this is better :) benzband  ( talk ) 13:41, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Support ~ better than mine. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:51, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/January 12, 2012 (per consensus) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:00, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

→ The older generation are leading this country to galloping ruin!
John Lennon in A Hard Day's Night (1964). –p joe f (talk • contribs) 10:51, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Support -  benzband  ( talk ) 10:56, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - That'll do. <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 20:03, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - Yep, looks good. — <b style="text-shadow:0.15em 0.15em 0.1em #555; color: #194D00; font-style: oblique; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif"> Mr. Stradivarius ♫</b> 09:13, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

✅ per consensus. Simply south...... "time, department skies" for 5 years 13:17, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

→ Back in the garage with my bullshit detector.

 * benzband ( talk ) 17:56, 7 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Support - Although I would suggest making the last two words one link to WP:AVT, as it would make more sense that way. <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 22:37, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Also, I think having that link be to WP:CUV/T would be better, as that way, we could be advertising for all tools, instead of just one. <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 22:38, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
 * T'is now CUV/T :-)  benzband  ( talk ) 15:51, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I think that you should also make the last two words one link to CUV/T; it seems odd having two. <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 23:24, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
 * that too. I just wanted to make it clear that vandalism = (the) bullshit.  -  benzband  ( talk ) 15:30, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:42, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

✅ per consensus. Simply south...... "time, department skies" for 5 years 21:30, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

→ A thing of beauty is a joy forever.
John Keats (31 October 1795 – 23 February 1821) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 10:14, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - That'll do. <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 01:07, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - benzband  ( talk ) 17:51, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

✅ per consensus. Simply south...... "time, department skies" for 5 years 21:30, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

===→ Ubi bene ibi patria ("Where good, there fatherland") === Latin motto –p joe f (talk • contribs) 10:00, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - The translation of Edit 1 rolls off the tongue a bit better. <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 01:06, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

in favour of edit 1. Simply south...... "time, department skies" for 5 years 21:30, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

====→ Patria est ubicumque est bene ("Where ever we are well, that is our country") ==== Edit 1: Marcus Pacuvius (ca. 220-130 BC) quoted by Cicero (106 BC – 43 BC) in Tusculanae Quaestiones (45 BC), V, 37, 108. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 10:00, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - Purely because the translation makes more sense. <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 01:06, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - benzband  ( talk ) 17:50, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

✅ edit 1. Simply south...... "time, department skies" for 5 years 21:30, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

→ Friends can help each other.
"&#147;Friends can help each other. A true friend is someone who lets you have total freedom to be yourself-and especially to feel. Or, not feel. Whatever you happen to be feeling at the moment is fine with them. That's what real love amounts to-letting a person be what he really is.&#148; —Jim Morrison (8 December 1943 – 3 July 1971)" –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:35, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - Whatever. <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 01:05, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - benzband  ( talk ) 17:49, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

✅ per consensus. Simply south...... "time, department skies" for 5 years 21:30, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

===→ The first thing you have to do if you want to raise nice kids, is you have to talk to them like they are people instead of talking to them like they're property.=== "&#147;The most important thing to do in your life is to not interfere with somebody else's life. ... The first thing you have to do if you want to raise nice kids, is you have to talk to them like they are people instead of talking to them like they're property.&#148; —Frank Zappa at The Howard Stern Show in 1988" –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:31, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - The last link seems very odd, but I suppose it can work. <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 01:00, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - Yes i agree. benzband  ( talk ) 17:49, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

✅ per consensus. Simply south...... "time, department skies" for 5 years 21:30, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

→ Today I consider myself the luckiest man on the face of the Earth
Lou Gehrig (1903–1941) at Yankee Stadium, July 4, 1939 (also in The Pride of the Yankees (1942), which is a tribute to him.) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:41, 13 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Support - simple and beautiful. I love that. <font face="Lucida Calligraphy"> PrincessofLlyr royal court 14:20, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - I would have said save it for his birthday, but that is all the way in June. <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 05:35, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - benzband  ( talk ) 09:45, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/January 6, 2012 (per consensus; 4 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 10:24, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

→ Warning: A cheat is running the hospital! Hospital administrator is cheating!
If you use cheat codes on this game... Simply south...... "time, department skies" for 5 years 15:57, 9 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Support - The source is a redlink. <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 23:22, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Erm, got it wrong. Simply south...... "time, department skies" for 5 years 13:18, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:41, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - I like it. <font face="Lucida Calligraphy"> PrincessofLlyr royal court 14:21, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - benzband  ( talk ) 09:45, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/January 5, 2012 (per consensus; 5 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 10:22, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

→ I'm as mad as hell, and I'm not going to take this anymore!
Howard Beale portrayed by Peter Finch in Network, a 1976 Academy award winning American satirical film directed by Sidney Lumet, written by Paddy Chayefsky, starring Faye Dunaway, William Holden, Peter Finch, and Robert Duvall. Howard Beale (Peter Finch) delivering his "mad as hell" speech. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 10:00, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - funny :D ~  benzband  ( talk ) 17:30, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - That'll do. <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 02:12, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

✅ per consensus. Simply south...... "time, department skies" for 5 years 22:05, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

===→ Why would a guy wanna marry a guy? Security!=== Joe (Tony Curtis) and Jerry (Jack Lemmon) in Some Like It Hot (1958) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 14:00, 8 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Oppose - It seems like the second link should be in the spot of the first; I have no idea what the second link would be, though. <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 14:26, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment: if we rely on the titles only, then you are right. But, the first link points to the new user(s) registration form, while the second link explains the benefits of creating an account. Imho, they are placed correctly. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:38, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, but it seems like we would want the links to make sense within the context of the quote. <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 16:35, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - Benzband (talk) 18:10, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - Not showing your IP address seems like good security to me. (p.s. lol) — <b style="text-shadow:0.15em 0.15em 0.1em #555; color: #194D00; font-style: oblique; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif"> Mr. Stradivarius ♫</b> 11:58, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south...... "time, department skies" for 5 years 11:01, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

✅ per weak consensus. Simply south...... "time, department skies" for 5 years 22:05, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

===→ By adversity are wrought The greatest work of admiration, And all the fair examples of renown Out of distress and misery are grown.=== Samuel Daniel (1562–1619), The Earl of Southampton. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 14:30, 1 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Support.  ~ Benzband (talk) 17:10, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - Looks good. <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 03:52, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I'm not sure about the "distress" link. Featured content comes from editors thinking of leaving the project? Sometimes, maybe, but I think it usually comes from contented editors... It's interesting to see the historical link, but there must be one that works better with the rest of the motto. — <b style="text-shadow:0.15em 0.15em 0.1em #555; color: #194D00; font-style: oblique; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif"> Mr. Stradivarius ♫</b> 12:15, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Maybe make the last two links something to do with reviewing articles? WP:PR, WP:GAC, or WP:FAC? — <b style="text-shadow:0.15em 0.15em 0.1em #555; color: #194D00; font-style: oblique; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif"> Mr. Stradivarius ♫</b> 12:19, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I was thinking that a good article comes from hard work, and that a lot of work equally produces a lot of distress. I also think that the "poorly written articles" thingY explains itself. 99% of the articles on the English Wikipedia, inluding most FAs, started as short articles (stubs). WP:STUB is an alternative link for the latter. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 10:09, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south...... "time, department skies" for 5 years 11:01, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

✅ per weak consensus. Simply south...... "time, department skies" for 5 years 22:05, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

The greater the power, the dangerous the abuse.
I found this in a book I purchased 2 years ago,I thought that it will make a good motto. <font color="#007FFF">That's me! <font color="#BE0032">Have doubt?  <font color="#007FFF">Track me!  11:15, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - It feels like it needs something; I have an idea. Welcome to the project, and I hope you decide to stick around! <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 23:02, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - In favor of Edit 2.  benzband  ( talk ) 09:29, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
 * BTW, what is the book? -  benzband  ( talk ) 09:29, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Wow... Didn't even notice that. :) I'll try and find it. <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 17:29, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

in favour of edit 1. Simply south...... "time, department skies" for 5 years 22:05, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

→ The greater the power, the more dangerous the abuse.
Edit 1 - All I could come up with off the top of my head. <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8  <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 23:02, 26 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Support - Yep, this is better.  benzband  ( talk ) 09:29, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Support + Note: "The greater the power, the more dangerous the abuse" is a quote by Irish author and philosopher, Edmund Burke (1729–1797), who was a member of the House of Commons of the British Parliament. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:24, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Let's go with that, then. <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 05:32, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

✅ per consensus. Simply south...... "time, department skies" for 5 years 22:05, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

→ You are all geniuses, and you are all beautiful.
"&#147;You are all geniuses, and you are all beautiful. You don't need anyone to tell you who you are. You are what you are. Get out there and get peace, think peace, live peace, and breathe peace, and you'll get it as soon as you like.&#148; —John Lennon (9 October 1940 – 8 December 1980)" –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:28, 6 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Oppose - April 14. This has brought up bad memories... So many days without mottos... :) <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 01:03, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

(Withdrawn by nominator) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:50, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

→ A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools.
From the Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy. Going for the irony vote here - feel free to suggest something more sensible if you think that would be better. — <b style="text-shadow:0.15em 0.15em 0.1em #555; color: #194D00; font-style: oblique; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif"> Mr. Stradivarius ♫</b> 15:38, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I don't get it... The first link seems very odd, and the rest seems insulting. :) <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 16:24, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

(in favour of Edit 1) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:09, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

→ A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools.

 * Edit 1.  benzband  ( talk ) 17:56, 1 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Support - absolutely cannot go wrong with Douglas Adams! Great links. <font face="Lucida Calligraphy"> PrincessofLlyr royal court 20:15, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - This makes much more sense. <font style="color:#DC143C">Hi878 isn't home.   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Can I take a message?) 22:04, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:37, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/December 29, 2011 (per consensus; 4 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:09, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

→ Oh dear, oh dear!
Simply south...... "time, department skies" for 5 years 16:51, 29 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Support Nice and simple, would work fine. <font color="#A20846"> Rcsprinter  (yak)  17:13, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - fun.  benzband  ( talk ) 17:33, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - :) <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 02:14, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Support ~ Oh dear, this is Simply[ south] perfect! :D –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:39, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/December 28, 2011 (per WP:SNOW) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:08, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

→ Labour created man himself
Last sentence of the opening paragraph of "The Part Played by Labour in the Transition from Ape to Man" (1876) by Friedrich Engels (1820–1895), first published in German in Die Neue Zeit in 1895, and in English by Progress Publishers, Moscow in 1934, and also included in Dialectics of Nature (written in 1883 and first published in Russian and German in the USSR in 1925), Chapter IX "'Labour is the source of all wealth, the political economists assert. And it really is the source — next to nature, which supplies it with the material that it converts into wealth. But it is even infinitely more than this. It is the prime basic condition for all human existence, and this to such an extent that, in a sense, we have to say that labour created man himself.'" –p joe f (talk • contribs) 10:35, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - so very logical. <font face="Lucida Calligraphy"> PrincessofLlyr royal court 13:50, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - yes.  benzband  ( talk ) 17:33, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - I seem to be supporting a lot today; this is weird. <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 02:14, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/December 27, 2011 (per consensus; 4 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:06, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

→ It's all a big fat ego scene
James Marshall "Jimi" Hendrix (1942–1970), interview with Dick Cavett, The Dick Cavett Show (1969). "Dick Cavett: 'Do you think music has a meaning?'

Jimi Hendrix: 'Oh yeah, definitely. It's getting to be more spiritual, so, than anything. Pretty soon, I believe, that we're going to have to rely on music to, uh like, get some kind of peace of mind or satisfaction, or direction actually. More so than politics. Because politics is really an ego scene. That's the way I look at it anyway. It's all a big fat ego scene, for instance.'

DC: 'Ego scene?'

Jimi: 'Well yeah. It's the art of words, which means nothing. So therefore you have to rely on a more of a earthier substance like music or the arts, theater, acting, painting, whatever. We want our sound to go into the soul of the audience, and see if it can awaken some little thing in their minds... Cause there are so many sleeping people. ... I wouldn't say that I'm the greatest guitarist ever. I'd say probably that I'm the greatest guitarist sitting in this chair. ... I don't really live on compliments. As a matter of fact, they have a way of distracting me. I know a whole lot of musicians, artists out there who hears the compliments and thinks 'wow, I must have been really great' and so they get fat and satisfied and they get lost and forget about their actual talent and start living in another world.'" –p joe f (talk • contribs) 10:11, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Support! - Brilliance. Pure brilliance. <font face="Lucida Calligraphy"> PrincessofLlyr royal court 13:52, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - t'is so.  benzband  ( talk ) 17:32, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - Looks good. <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 02:13, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/December 26, 2011 (per consensus; 4 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:05, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

===→ In varietate concordia (United in diversity) === Motto of the European Union. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:45, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Support- amen. <font face="Lucida Calligraphy"> PrincessofLlyr royal court 13:54, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - of course.  benzband  ( talk ) 17:30, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - Can't really argue. <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 02:11, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/December 24, 2011 (per consensus; 4 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:03, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

===→ Some books are drenched sands, On which a great soul's wealth lies all in heaps, Like a wrecked argosy.=== Alexander Smith (1829 or 1830-1867), A Life Drama, Scene II. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:41, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - great links! <font face="Lucida Calligraphy"> PrincessofLlyr royal court 13:55, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - benzband  ( talk ) 17:30, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - Although I would like to say that in my opinion, limiting Help:Section only to the word "heaps" would make more sense. <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 02:10, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/December 22, 2011 (per consensus; 4 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:01, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

===→ Ladies and gentleman, this is your stewardess speaking. We regret any inconvenience the sudden cabin movement might have caused. This is due to periodic air pockets we encountered. There's no reason to be alarmed and we hope you enjoy the rest of your flight. By the way, is there anyone on board who knows how to fly a plane?=== <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8  <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 21:04, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Support (moved to edit 1) - Like. Most of those links are terrific. Not sure about the last one though. I think of retired users as not working on articles. But I don't know that I have any more creative suggestions, so feel free to ignore that. <font face="Lucida Calligraphy"> PrincessofLlyr royal court 05:23, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I was thinking that all of the crap in the links up until that, repeated over several articles, made a user decide to retire. Perhaps I made that a bit too obscure. :) <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 03:18, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

(in favour of Edit 1) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:00, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

====→ Ladies and gentleman, this is your stewardess speaking. We regret any inconvenience the sudden cabin movement might have caused. This is due to periodic air pockets we encountered. There's no reason to be alarmed and we hope you enjoy the rest of your flight. By the way, is there anyone on board who knows how to fly a plane?==== How about this? Otto the Autopilot 1. Simply south...... "time, department skies" for 5 years 10:52, 28 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Support - that works! <font face="Lucida Calligraphy"> PrincessofLlyr royal court 14:14, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Meh - I prefer my idea, but if nobody else likes it, I suppose I can be persuaded to live with this. Mine does have a somewhat depressing ending. Your "Edit" alternative was what did it, though; most certainly not your link. I would never admit that someone else picked a better link than me. <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 03:18, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:06, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - benzband ( talk ) 17:29, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/December 21, 2011 (per consensus; 4 in support and 1 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:00, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

===→ All right, Striker, you listen, and listen close. Flying a plane is no different from riding a bicycle; it's just a lot harder to put baseball cards in the spokes.=== Best I could come up with for the last link... Anyone have anythig better, or is this fine? <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8  <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 21:04, 27 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Support - I think the last link works. <font face="Lucida Calligraphy"> PrincessofLlyr royal court 13:58, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - benzband  ( talk ) 17:28, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:42, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/December 20, 2011 (per consensus; 4 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:58, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

→ So it goes.
<font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8  <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 21:04, 27 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Support - makes so much sense. <font face="Lucida Calligraphy"> PrincessofLlyr royal court 05:17, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - benzband  ( talk ) 17:57, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Support ~ good one. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:47, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/December 19, 2011 (per consensus; 4 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:56, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

→ I'm a doctor, not an escalator!
Simply south...... "time, department skies" for 5 years 17:46, 27 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Oppose - Although I like the quoe, the link seems a little weird. <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 17:50, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
 * The new link seems even weirder. :) <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 18:14, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Don't you mistake your Doctor for an escalator? Simply south...... "time, department skies" for 5 years 23:36, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I see your point. Support. <font style="color:#DC143C">Hi878 isn't home.   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Can I take a message?) 22:05, 2 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Support - in favor of things that should be painfully obvious, but aren't. <font face="Lucida Calligraphy"> PrincessofLlyr royal court 22:13, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Support ~ it is good enough. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:49, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/December 18, 2011 (per consensus; 4 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:53, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

===→ McCroskey: Johnny, what can you make of this? Johnny: This? Well, I can make a hat; I can make a brooch; I can make a teradactyl!=== <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8  <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 21:04, 27 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Support hahaha. Simply south...... "time, department skies" for 5 years 21:09, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - Love it. Great quote, perfect links! <font face="Lucida Calligraphy"> PrincessofLlyr royal court 05:21, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk0• contribs) 08:07, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/December 17, 2011 (per consensus; 4 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:53, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

→ Blistering barnacles!
Simply south...... "time, department skies" for 5 years 17:53, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - That'll do. <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 18:14, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - ha ha  benzband  ( talk ) 18:18, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - *grin* <font face="Lucida Calligraphy"> PrincessofLlyr royal court 05:16, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

✅ per consensus. Simply south...... "time, department skies" for 5 years 00:53, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

===→ I shall not ask Jean Jaques Rousseau If birds confabulate or no. 'Tis is clear that they were always able To hold discourse—at least in fable.=== William Cowper (1731–1800), "Pairing Time Anticipated", The Poetical Works of William Cowper, Volume 1 (1859). –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:56, 22 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment. I'm not really sure what this means... I think Cowper's English is too deep for this simple editor. — <b style="text-shadow:0.15em 0.15em 0.1em #555; color: #194D00; font-style: oblique; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif"> Mr. Stradivarius ♫</b> 11:30, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * (very-very humble) explanation: well, this is a bit complicated. William Cowper studied the educational reforms by Jean-Jacques Rousseau, who thought that it was inappropriate to tell fairy tales and stories about talking animals to children, and that those stories should be withheld from them and their education for being only vehicles of deception. Then, Cowper replied with his fable, "Pairing Time Anticipated: A Fable", which starts with the lines I used for this nomination. What would Rousseau think of Disney? lol –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:51, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Support. Looks good.  Wether it means anything or not is a different matter… (ask jimbo ;)  - Benzband (talk) 17:42, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - Although, as below, are you sure with quotes you split up  'tis ? <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 23:21, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Corrected. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:51, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - I like. No problem with making people think for a change! Comment on grammar, "tis is" seems redundant. Possibly that got overlooked in the previous correction? <font face="Lucida Calligraphy"> PrincessofLlyr royal court 05:10, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

✅ per consensus. Simply south...... "time, department skies" for 5 years 00:53, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

→ We all inhabit this small planet. We all breathe the same air. We all cherish our children's future.
John Fitzgerald "Jack" Kennedy (1917-1963), American University speech: "A Strategy of Peace", Washington D.C. (10 June 1963) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 10:19, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment. I don't dislike this version, but I think a more serious link than WP:Breathe might work better. — <b style="text-shadow:0.15em 0.15em 0.1em #555; color: #194D00; font-style: oblique; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif"> Mr. Stradivarius ♫</b> 12:24, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Weak Support as i prefer edit 1. - Benzband (talk) 17:32, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - In favor of Edit 1. <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 23:23, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose in favor of edit 1. — mc10 ( t / c ) 05:15, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

in favour of edit 1. Simply south...... "time, department skies" for 5 years 11:01, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

→ We all inhabit this small planet. We all breathe the same air. We all cherish our children's future.
Edit 1, with the third link replaced with Wikipedia is a community. — <b style="text-shadow:0.15em 0.15em 0.1em #555; color: #194D00; font-style: oblique; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif"> Mr. Stradivarius ♫</b> 12:24, 22 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Support - Benzband (talk) 17:32, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - Much better. <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 23:23, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Strong Support!!! ~ I was not sure about the second link and I used WP:Breathe only because of its similarity to that part. WP:COMMUNITY is perfect. Thanks. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:17, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Support – Links work better than the original version. — mc10 ( t / c ) 05:15, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

✅ per consensus. Simply south...... "time, department skies" for 5 years 11:01, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

===→ "Surely you can't be serious." "I am serious. And don't call me Shirley."=== Ted Striker, portrayed by Robert Hays, and Dr. Barry Rumack, portrayed by Leslie Nielsen, in Airplane! (a.k.a. Flying High!), a 1980 satirical comedy film directed and written by David Zucker, Jim Abrahams, and Jerry Zucker, starring Robert Hays, Julie Hagerty, Leslie Nielsen, Robert Stack, Lloyd Bridges, Peter Graves, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, and Lorna Patterson. ( Watch the scene on YouTube ). –p joe f (talk • contribs) 10:10, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - Can't say no to this. — <b style="text-shadow:0.15em 0.15em 0.1em #555; color: #194D00; font-style: oblique; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif"> Mr. Stradivarius ♫</b> 11:28, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Support. Fun  - Benzband (talk) 17:35, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - Depressing that I didn't come up with this... <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 23:22, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Support – Wikipedia needs some more humor. — mc10 ( t / c ) 05:14, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

✅ per WP:SNOW. Simply south...... "time, department skies" for 5 years 11:01, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

===→ In the dime stores and bus stations, People talk of situations, Read books, repeat quotations, Draw conclusions on the wall.===
 * Benzband (talk) 12:58, 20 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Support - Looks good. <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 16:37, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:11, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - Yep, looks good. — <b style="text-shadow:0.15em 0.15em 0.1em #555; color: #194D00; font-style: oblique; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif"> Mr. Stradivarius ♫</b> 11:31, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Support – Excellent quote. — mc10 ( t / c ) 05:14, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

✅ per WP:SNOW. Simply south...... "time, department skies" for 5 years 11:01, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

→ No great thing is created suddenly.

 * Might fit WP's upcoming birthday? - Benzband (talk) 16:31, 19 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Support - Nominations for specific dates go on the specials page. :) This seems good. <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 18:30, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:14, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - Very nice. — <b style="text-shadow:0.15em 0.15em 0.1em #555; color: #194D00; font-style: oblique; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif"> Mr. Stradivarius ♫</b> 11:32, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Support – Nice quote. — mc10 ( t / c ) 05:12, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

✅ per WP:SNOW. Simply south...... "time, department skies" for 5 years 11:01, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

→ Remember, you're fighting for this woman's honor, which is probably more than she ever did.
Rufus T. Firefly portrayed by Groucho Marx during a battle sequence in Duck Soup, a 1933 Marx Brothers anarchic comedy film directed by Leo McCarey. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:12, 15 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Support - :) <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 00:51, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - i remember now  :D  - Benzband (talk) 17:46, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - Love the Marx brothers. — <b style="text-shadow:0.15em 0.15em 0.1em #555; color: #194D00; font-style: oblique; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif"> Mr. Stradivarius ♫</b> 11:39, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

✅ per consensus. Simply south...... "time, department skies" for 5 years 11:01, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

===→ Stella quarta decima ("The Fourteenth Star") === Latin motto appearing on the 1785–1786 coin of the Vermont Republic (1777–1791). It seems that they were keeping an eye on becoming the fourteenth state of the United States. And thus it was in 1791... and thus the link to WP:SIGNUP. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:32, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - Although I don't think many will get it... <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 00:50, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - Once explained. - Benzband (talk) 17:59, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - Might make people click on the arrow... — <b style="text-shadow:0.15em 0.15em 0.1em #555; color: #194D00; font-style: oblique; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif"> Mr. Stradivarius ♫</b> 11:40, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Support – Hopefully, people read the article linked to understand it. — mc10 ( t / c ) 05:11, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

✅ per WP:SNOW. Simply south...... "time, department skies" for 5 years 11:01, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

→ Older men declare war. But it's the youth who must fight and die!
Herbert Hoover (1874–1964), the 31st President of the United States (1929–1933). There are also a couple of alternative links: WP:NPA, WP:OWNER, WP:POINT, WP:GAME... and many more. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:12, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - No, this is good. <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 00:50, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - Yes, this is good. Benzband (talk) 15:51, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - Agreed. — <b style="text-shadow:0.15em 0.15em 0.1em #555; color: #194D00; font-style: oblique; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif"> Mr. Stradivarius ♫</b> 11:41, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Support – Excellent links for the quotes. — mc10 ( t / c ) 05:10, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

✅ per WP:SNOW. Simply south...... "time, department skies" for 5 years 11:01, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

===→ 'Tis better to be lowly born, And range with humble livers in content. Than to be perked up in a glistering grief, And wear a golden sorrow.=== William Shakespeare (1564–1616), The Famous History of the Life of King Henry the Eighth, Act II, Scene III (1623) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:03, 15 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Support - Perfect links, I think. It seemed that there was a typo in it; was I correct? <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 00:49, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm not 100% sure, but within the context of the play, it is: "I swear,  ' tis better to...", while as a quotatation it becomes: " ' T is better to..." –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:51, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * It seems to me like you wouldn't split the word up when quoting, but I don't actually know... <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 23:19, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - Benzband (talk) 15:53, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - Yes, very nice. — <b style="text-shadow:0.15em 0.15em 0.1em #555; color: #194D00; font-style: oblique; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif"> Mr. Stradivarius ♫</b> 11:42, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Support – Links match the text fairly well. — mc10 ( t / c ) 05:12, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

✅ per consensus. Simply south...... "time, department skies" for 5 years 11:01, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

→ Philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways. The point, however, is to change it.

 * You got the point. [i hope] you got the general sense. - Benzband (talk) 11:46, 12 November 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry, but I don't get the point, in the sense that I think there should be a better link for "Philosophers". Readers are peoples who take advantage-make use of Wikipedia. In other words, they are customers, clients or (eventually) guests but not philosophers. What about using: "User:Jimbo Wales/Statement of principles" or one of the links/essays in the "Philosophy" group within Essays on building Wikipedia → (Articles must be written, Be a reliable source, Cohesion, Concede lost arguments, 8 simple rules for editing our encyclopedia, Explanationism, Here to build an encyclopedia, Paradoxes, Product, process, policy, Purpose, The role of policies in collaborative anarchy, Ten Simple Rules for Editing Wikipedia, Trifecta, User Creed, Wikipedia in brief, Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, Avoid vague introductions)? Also see the "Philosophy" group in Civility.... Does this make more sense and have a better link? –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:16, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Wow! That's a lot of links! (you really have a whole arsenal of them…)  Well, i have changed the upper comment because it obviously wasn't [100%] accurate :-)  Benzband (talk) 18:19, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Support ~ I reallly think that I have changed my opinion. Maybe the link for "Philosophers" is not really the more correct link when referred to the concept expressed by Karl Marx, who despised them and the futility/uselessness of their thoughts, and then he was "classified" as one of them obviously hahaha, but in our case it fits perfectly with our context, Wikipedia, and conveys a great message (not only read, but apply to improve the whole thing). Support! –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:07, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - I like it the way it is, actually... <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 00:48, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - Looks good to me. I was never that deep a thinker, though, to be fair. — <b style="text-shadow:0.15em 0.15em 0.1em #555; color: #194D00; font-style: oblique; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif"> Mr. Stradivarius ♫</b> 11:46, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

✅ per consensus. Simply south...... "time, department skies" for 5 years 11:01, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

→ Everything tending to encourage superstitious belief in authority is to be removed from the statutes.

 * This was less intended as a "there is no cabal" than as a "admins ≠ gods" message. -  Benzband (talk) 11:46, 12 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Oppose - This looks like propaganda to me. Did you notice that the first link is a proposed policy? <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 00:46, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
 * OK ( maybe i am bad at linking :) Anyway, let's just call it a "failed POV push" (sorry ;)  - Benzband (talk) 18:05, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - as well as the first link being a proposed policy, it also looks quite radical. — <b style="text-shadow:0.15em 0.15em 0.1em #555; color: #194D00; font-style: oblique; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif"> Mr. Stradivarius ♫</b> 11:48, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose – Links do not seem to make much sense. — mc10 ( t / c ) 05:03, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

in favour of edit 1. Simply south...... "time, department skies" for 5 years 11:01, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

→ Everything tending to encourage superstitious belief in authority is to be removed from the statutes.

 * Edit 1, no big deal. - Benzband (talk) 20:52, 20 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Support - This'll do. <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 04:48, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:08, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - Yep, better. — <b style="text-shadow:0.15em 0.15em 0.1em #555; color: #194D00; font-style: oblique; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif"> Mr. Stradivarius ♫</b> 11:48, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Support – New link is much better than before. — mc10 ( t / c ) 05:04, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

✅ per consensus. Simply south...... "time, department skies" for 5 years 11:01, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

→ They have a world to win.

 * Benzband (talk) 11:46, 12 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Support (this version) + note: you have (probably) missed the very last line: "WORKERS OF ALL COUNTRIES, UNITE!" ;) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:51, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
 * "missed" in the sense i don't didn't know what to link to ;) - Benzband (talk) 17:56, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - Seems good. <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 00:45, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Edit one [two] is better. <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 03:35, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - prefer edit 2. — <b style="text-shadow:0.15em 0.15em 0.1em #555; color: #194D00; font-style: oblique; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif"> Mr. Stradivarius ♫</b> 11:51, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose in favor of edit 2. — mc10 ( t / c ) 05:05, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

in favour of edit 2. Simply south...... "time, department skies" for 5 years 11:01, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

→ They have a world to win.

 * Edit 1 - for IP users.  Benzband (talk) 11:46, 12 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Oppose - I prefer the original. <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 00:45, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - prefer edit 2. — <b style="text-shadow:0.15em 0.15em 0.1em #555; color: #194D00; font-style: oblique; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif"> Mr. Stradivarius ♫</b> 11:51, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose in favor of edit 2. — mc10 ( t / c ) 05:05, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

in favour of edit 2. Simply south...... "time, department skies" for 5 years 11:01, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

====→ They have a world to win. WORKERS OF ALL COUNTRIES, UNITE!====
 * Edit 2 per pjoef. - Benzband (talk) 17:56, 16 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Support - I moved it so that the noms were chronological. :) This is the best. <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 03:35, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Support (both this version 1 & the original) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:11, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - This one is the best yet. — <b style="text-shadow:0.15em 0.15em 0.1em #555; color: #194D00; font-style: oblique; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif"> Mr. Stradivarius ♫</b> 11:51, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Support – This version is the best out of the three. — mc10 ( t / c ) 05:05, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

✅ per consensus. Simply south...... "time, department skies" for 5 years 11:01, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

→ Gratitude is a duty which ought to be paid, but which none have a right to expect.

 * Can anyone think of other links for the rest of the sentence? - Benzband (talk) 10:55, 12 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Oppose - In favor of Edit 2. <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 00:44, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - prefer edit 2. — <b style="text-shadow:0.15em 0.15em 0.1em #555; color: #194D00; font-style: oblique; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif"> Mr. Stradivarius ♫</b> 11:52, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose in favor of edit 2. — mc10 ( t / c ) 05:07, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

in favour of edit 2. Simply south...... "time, department skies" for 5 years 11:01, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

→ Gratitude is a duty which ought to be paid, but which none have a right to expect.

 * Edit 1. - Benzband (talk) 10:55, 12 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Oppose - In favor of Edit 2. <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 00:44, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - prefer edit 2. — <b style="text-shadow:0.15em 0.15em 0.1em #555; color: #194D00; font-style: oblique; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif"> Mr. Stradivarius ♫</b> 11:52, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose in favor of edit 2. — mc10 ( t / c ) 05:07, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

in favour of edit 2. Simply south...... "time, department skies" for 5 years 11:01, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

→ Gratitude is a duty which ought to be paid, but which none have a right to expect.
Edit 2 ~ based on Edit 1 by Benzband and expanded. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:29, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - By far the best. <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 00:44, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - I agree (the previous are were lacking links) - Benzband (talk) 17:45, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - Nice links. — <b style="text-shadow:0.15em 0.15em 0.1em #555; color: #194D00; font-style: oblique; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif"> Mr. Stradivarius ♫</b> 11:52, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Support – Better than the previous two versions. — mc10 ( t / c ) 05:07, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

✅ per consensus. Simply south...... "time, department skies" for 5 years 11:01, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

===→ Greed, for lack of a better word, is good. Greed is right. Greed works. Greed clarifies, cuts through, and captures the essence of the evolutionary spirit. Greed, in all of its forms.=== Gordon Gekko portrayed by Michael Douglas in Wall Street, a 1987 American drama film directed by Oliver Stone, written by Michael Apted, Jim Jarmusch, Akiva Goldsman, Richard Donner, Ehren Kruger, Jean-Jacques Annaud, Stanley Weiser, Jim Thomas, John Thomas and Oliver Stone, starring Michael Douglas, Charlie Sheen, Daryl Hannah, Martin Sheen, Terence Stamp, John C. McGinley, Hal Holbrook, music written and composed by Stewart Copeland, Joel McNeely and Maurice Jarre, cinematography by Robert Richardson. Note: "sources" in the part of "greed". –p joe f (talk • contribs) 12:27, 25 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Oppose - I think that the second link is, for lack of a better word, moronic. Also, the last one seems somewhat odd; can you explain what you meant with it? It is probably fine, but I'm just curious; the only one I actually have a problem with is the second. <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 23:28, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Reply: the set of links refers to a "greed" of references, a lack of references/sources, and this is the reason why I used the link for Citations missing in the second link, while the word "greed" reminds me of "Age Of Greed" ( link ), 2nd track off Killing Joke's 1990 album Extremities, Dirt & Various Repressed Emotions, and preceded by the opening track, "Money Is Not Our God" ( link ), which speaks for itself (^____^). –p joe f (talk • contribs) 11:25, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - Pro-American capitalist bias. → Σ  τ  c . 23:51, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Reply: It's a fictional character, the antihero of a film released more than 20 years ago, but it is very actual nowadays with the ongoing financial Armageddon. It seems (to me) more counterpropaganda than propaganda (^_____^). –p joe f (talk • contribs) 11:25, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Hmmm… it still isn't very clear.  Or maybe it's not to me because of lack of wp:source  - Benzband (talk) 11:44, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * That was about the pro-capital[ev]i[l]sm thingY. About the nomination and its set of links, here is a greed of sources instead of a greed of money/power. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 12:14, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * OK. I think i'll settle for the sources.  Support.  - Benzband (talk) 17:15, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - Pro-American capitalist bias. <font face="Lucida Console" color="black" size="1">JORGENEVSKI 11:35, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
 * You have just made my day... <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 03:49, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I was also wondering… a joke, Jorgenev?  :D  ~ Benzband (talk) 16:35, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south...... "time, department skies" for 5 years 18:49, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I think I see it, but I'm not sure others will get the irony. (Or maybe I'm not seeing it at all?) — <b style="text-shadow:0.15em 0.15em 0.1em #555; color: #194D00; font-style: oblique; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif"> Mr. Stradivarius ♫</b> 11:56, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

per consensus. Simply south...... "time, department skies" for 5 years 11:01, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

===→ Spiritus intus alit ("the spirit nourishes within") === Latin motto. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 13:52, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - That'll do. <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 14:25, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - Benzband (talk) 18:08, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - Good stuff — <b style="text-shadow:0.15em 0.15em 0.1em #555; color: #194D00; font-style: oblique; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif"> Mr. Stradivarius ♫</b> 11:59, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Support – Links fit well enough. — mc10 ( t / c ) 05:07, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

✅ per WP:SNOW. Simply south...... "time, department skies" for 5 years 11:01, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

===→ The wine of life is drawn, and the mere lees Is left this vault to brag of.=== William Shakespeare (1564–1616), Macbeth, Act II, Scene VIII (1623) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:16, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south...... "time, department skies" for 5 years 22:31, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I don't think the last link fits. <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 21:31, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment: I was imagining a deletion discussion and at the end the article is safe and can stay in Wikipedia. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 06:57, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
 * What about using: Speedy keep? –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:15, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I think that would work. I would support it.  -  benzband  ( talk  • feed ) 22:00, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - Agreed, links don't quite fit. — <b style="text-shadow:0.15em 0.15em 0.1em #555; color: #194D00; font-style: oblique; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif"> Mr. Stradivarius ♫</b> 12:00, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

per consensus. Simply south...... "time, department skies" for 5 years 11:01, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

→ It is error alone that needs the support of government. Truth can stand by itself.

 * No need for me to comment. This can stand by itself. - Benzband (talk) 09:48, 16 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Support - I hope you were trying to be funny... <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 17:05, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, i was. Only trying, though —i'm sorry if it failed.  :) -Benzband (talk) 17:52, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Weak Support ~ I don't like the set of links very much. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:39, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south...... "time, department skies" for 5 years 22:31, 1 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Support - fair enough, let's go with the original. — <b style="text-shadow:0.15em 0.15em 0.1em #555; color: #194D00; font-style: oblique; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif"> Mr. Stradivarius ♫</b> 01:00, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

✅ per consensus. Simply south...... "time, department skies" for 5 years 11:01, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

→ It is error alone that needs the support of government. Truth can stand by itself.

 * Edit 1 with a different set of links. I can't guarantee that it's any better though.  - Benzband (talk) 17:52, 16 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Oppose - I prefer the original, actually. <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 03:33, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

in favour of origina;. Simply south...... "time, department skies" for 5 years 11:01, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

→ It is error alone that needs the support of government. Truth can stand by itself.

 * Edit 2. The traditional edit-war metaphor. — <b style="text-shadow:0.15em 0.15em 0.1em #555; color: #194D00; font-style: oblique; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif"> Mr. Stradivarius ♫</b> 12:03, 22 November 2011 (UTC)


 * [i think] i get what you mean but i don't get why WP:WAR needs the support of WP:BLOCK :) - Benzband (talk) 18:50, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Blocks can end them. :) <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8  <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 23:18, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I prefer the original, just because we use edit wars quite a bit. Nice to see you here again! <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 23:18, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Support… (but i do agree about edit wars Hi878 :) -  benzband  ( talk  • feed ) 21:54, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

in favour of original. Simply south...... "time, department skies" for 5 years 11:01, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

===→ We announce the birth of a conceptual country, NUTOPIA. [...] we ask for diplomatic immunity and recognition in the United Nations of our country and our people.=== "Declaration of Nutopia" signed by John Lennon (9 October 1940 - 8 December 1980) and Yoko Ono on the 1st of April 1973. Was it a joke? –p joe f (talk • contribs) 10:25, 11 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Support - I second that! Benzband (talk) 17:07, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - It seems that you are determined to make MotD have an advertisement for a motto. That link doesn't connect with the quote; being called a World Heritage Site doesn't connect to "diplomatic immunity and recognition", in my opinion. Diplomatic immunity can happen with without being a world heritage site, I'm pretty sure. <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 22:25, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment - Your comment has confused me. Did you meen: "diplomatic immunity can happen without being a world heritage site" ? - Benzband (talk) 09:00, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, I meant that... <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 17:00, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Isn't the "World Heritage" a recognition? I agree with you about the "diplomatic immunity" but I treated the AND as a logical conjunction and put them together into one link. There is also a "Protection of cultural objects..." during wartime (Article No. 53 of the UN's Treaty No. 17512 of 8 June 1977) that approaches to the definition of "diplomatic immunity". –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:21, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south...... "time, department skies" for 5 years 22:31, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south...... "time, department skies" for 5 years 11:01, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

→ Listen to them. Children of the night. What music they make!
Count Dracula performed by Béla Ferenc Dezső Blaskó (a.k.a. Bela Lugosi) in Dracula, a 1931 vampire-horror film directed by Tod Browning and Karl Freund, based on the 1897 novel Dracula by Bram Stoker, and the 1924 stage play Dracula by Hamilton Deane and John L. Balderston, starring Bela Lugosi, Helen Chandler, David Manners, Dwight Frye, and Edward Van Sloan. See the scene on YouTube. I have an idea .... What about using this nomination for next Halloween? If it is good enough, of course. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 10:01, 11 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Support - That'll do. <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 22:22, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - Used in the motto shop; it defeats the point of giving someone a motto if it then becomes the Motto of the Day; it defeats the point of giving them said motto. <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 17:05, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

- not enough discussion. Simply south...... "time, department skies" for 5 years 22:31, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

→Listen to them. Children of the night. What mu-u-u-sic they make.
Edit 1 of original motto. <font color="#004730" face="Trebuchet MS">Beluga <font color="#004730" face="Trebuchet MS">boy ''cup of tea? 12:15, 3 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Oppose - Used in the motto shop; it defeats the point of giving someone a motto if it then becomes the Motto of the Day; it defeats the point of giving them said motto. <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 17:05, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment I created this motto for the MS indeed, but however do not blame me, it was personally requested by User:Pjoef (the one who requested the motto in the first place) that I place it here. So don't point fingers at me (not to take a jab at Pjoef). <font color="#004730" face="Trebuchet MS">Beluga <font color="#004730" face="Trebuchet MS">boy ''cup of tea? 19:30, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I was not doing anything like pointing the finger at you, nor is there a finger to point; I was stating that since it was used in the motto shop, it shouldn't be used here. <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 19:37, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
 * It was packed, but never picked up, nor shipped. This nom. was originally intended to be a special nomination for Halloween, but I nominated it here just few days before the 31st of Ocotber. Then I asked Motto Shop to make a package and deliver it to some editors, but it was again too late.... Maybe next year? –p joe f (talk • contribs) 13:44, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Perhaps... If that is the case, this nom can be closed. I hadn't noticed that the motto wasn't delivered. :) <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 14:24, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south...... "time, department skies" for 5 years 11:01, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

→ Love means never having to say you're sorry.
"Love means never having to say you're sorry" is a line from the 1970 novel and film Love Story. –p joe f (talk • contribs)
 * Support - Whatever. <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 03:53, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Weak support - Not sure it's sending quite the right message, but hey, I was never that big on depth. — <b style="text-shadow:0.15em 0.15em 0.1em #555; color: #194D00; font-style: oblique; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif"> Mr. Stradivarius ♫</b> 12:09, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Support ~ i've only just go it :) —but isn't wikilove a means of saying sorry?  -  benzband  ( talk  • feed ) 21:58, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

✅ per consensus. Simply south...... "time, department skies" for 5 years 11:01, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

→ History is nothing but the actions of men in pursuit of their ends.

 * Benzband (talk) 11:46, 12 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Support (both versions) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:17, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - In favor of Edit 1. <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 00:47, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

(in favour of Edit 1) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:22, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

→ History is nothing but the actions of men in pursuit of their ends.
Fish 1. See coal ball for example. → Σ  τ  c. 08:05, 15 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Support (both versions) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:17, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - Considering that we don't link to WP:FOUR very often... <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 00:47, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Support as well.  - Benzband (talk) 17:48, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Coal ball: History is nothing but the actions of men in pursuit of their ends. ;-)  Benzband (talk) 20:57, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/November 27, 2011 (per consensus; 4 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:22, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

→ We're on the highway to hell
Are we failing? Note:I was thinking that for the Highway link I could have something like the day-to-day essay or something, but I can't find it. So I settled with WP:ROAD. See what you think of this. <font color="#FFB911"> Rcsprinter  (chat)  11:03, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
 * How about Special:RecentChanges?<font face="Lucida Console" color="black" size="1">JORGENEVSKI 11:06, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
 * That's good. Have changed it. Thanks. <font color="#7026DF"> Rcsprinter  (speak)  11:23, 29 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Support <font face="Lucida Console" color="black" size="1">JORGENEVSKI 11:34, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - Seems rather depressing. <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 18:43, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Weak oppose - Actually is rather depressing (even if a bit true ;) but if it represented overall feeling towards the project, many wikipedians wouldn't be here…  Benzband (talk) 11:40, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

(in favour of Edit 2) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:44, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

→ We're on the highway to hell
Edit 1 –p joe f (talk • contribs) 10:49, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - Ha ha!  i like this better than the original.  Benzband (talk) 11:14, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - Not quite as depressing. :) <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 03:49, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - Edit 2 is better. <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 22:24, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

(in favour of Edit 2) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:44, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

→ We're on the highway to hell
Edit 2 –Link changed to block. <font color="#A20846"> Rcsprinter  (whisper)  21:51, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - Duh... Much better than Edit 1. <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 22:24, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - Yes, the best i think so too.  ~ Benzband (talk) 10:46, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:42, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/November 25, 2011 (per consensus; 4 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:44, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

===→ Henceforth I'll bear Affliction till it do cry out itself, Enough, enough, and die.=== The Earl of Gloucester to his son Edgar in King Lear, Act IV, Scene VI (1623) by William Shakespeare (1564–1616). Note for Benzband: Edgar replies: "Cheer up and be at peace." –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:14, 25 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Support - Although this may be seen as publicity, it actually introduced me to a great tool… :)   ~ Benzband (talk) 10:24, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Question - Would it not be better to expand the link so that it isn't specific to one tool? <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 23:24, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
 * In what way? To all tools or to something like Category:Wikipedia counter-vandalism tools? –p joe f (talk • contribs) 11:31, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Something like the second, I think. Isn't there a page that lists vandalism tools that isn't a category? WP:CUV/T is what I was thinking, I believe. <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 22:23, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

in favour of edit 1. Simply south...... "time, department skies" for 5 years 18:50, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

====→ Henceforth I'll bear Affliction till it do cry out itself, Enough, enough, and die.==== Edit 1 The Earl of Gloucester expanded to all tools (WP:CUV/T) by Hi878. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 13:20, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - Obviously... <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 14:25, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - Although this may be seen as publicity, it actually introduced me to a whole load of great tools… :)   ~ Benzband (talk) 18:14, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

✅ per consensus. Simply south...... "time, department skies" for 5 years 18:50, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

→ Blue flower, red thorns.
Also, my intention wasn't to oppose red links, but to have them turned into blue links (through article creation). - Benzband (talk) 12:06, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Although i'm not so sure about the source (i haven't seen the film, i just came across this), i linked liked the idea so here it is.


 * Comment: I like the idea, Here are some alternative links: <ul><li>for "Blue" or "Blue flower": Manual of Style/Linking, Portal:Contents, Portal:Contents/Outlines, Portal:Featured content, Featured articles, Portal:Contents/Indexes; </li><li>for "red" or "red thorns": WP:RED is perfect, but also WP:CREATE, Most wanted articles (or one of the articles taken from that list), Your first article seem to be okay. </li></ul> Imho, the first link, WP:CREATE, does not fit perfectly. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 12:29, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * . I have used your ideas in edits 1 and 2.  Thanks!!…  Benzband (talk) 17:08, 1 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Oppose - In favor of Edit Whatever. <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 03:51, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

(in favour of Edit I've lost count (3)) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 13:23, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

→ Blue flower, red thorns.

 * Edit 1. With WP:LINKS and WP:RED.  - Benzband (talk) 17:08, 1 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Oppose - In favor of Edit Whatever. <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 03:51, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Strong Support-Funny, funny funny! This is better than the original, simply for the fact that the links are more relevant. This is it. <font color="#004730" face="Trebuchet MS">Beluga <font color="#004730" face="Trebuchet MS">boy ''cup of tea? 15:32, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

(in favour of Edit I've lost count (3)) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 13:23, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

→ Blue flower, red thorns.

 * Edit 2. Similar to edit 1, but with WP:LINKS and WP:WANTED.  - Benzband (talk) 17:08, 1 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Oppose - In favor of Edit Whatever. <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 03:51, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - In favor of Edit 1. --<font color="#004730" face="Trebuchet MS">Beluga <font color="#FF2400" face="Trebuchet MS">boy ''cup of tea? 13:05, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

(in favour of Edit I've lost count (3)) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 13:23, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

→ Blue flower, red thorns.
Edit I've lost count - A less linked area I think. Simply south...... "time, department skies" for 5 years 22:10, 1 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Support - Best of the four. <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 03:51, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - Edit ∞ also keeps the original idea. Benzband (talk) 16:32, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 13:11, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/November 23, 2011 (per consensus; 4 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 13:23, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

===→ Sic semper tyrannis ("Thus always to tyrants") === Latin motto. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 14:45, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - Thus be it. Benzband (talk) 16:57, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - That'll do. <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 03:53, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - Wasn't so sure about it at first, but then I checked out the link and I loved it. <font color="#004730" face="Trebuchet MS">Beluga <font color="#004730" face="Trebuchet MS">boy ''cup of tea? 12:16, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

✅ per consensus. Simply south...... "time, department skies" for 5 years 16:24, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

===→ Si Quæris Peninsulam Amœnam Circumspice ("If you seek a pleasant peninsula, look about you") === Official motto of the US state of Michigan. Note circumspice is second-person singular present active imperative of "circumspiciō", which means "look around". –p joe f (talk • contribs) 11:59, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - Looks good. <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 23:25, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Support: I think so too. - Benzband (talk) 11:31, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I think I understand so support. Simply south...... "time, department skies" for 5 years 22:38, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

✅ per consensus. Simply south...... "time, department skies" for 5 years 22:38, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

→ I'd hate to take a bite out of you. You're a cookie full of arsenic.
J. J. Hunsecker (portrayed by Burt Lancaster) to Sidney Falco (portrayed by Tony Curtis) in Sweet Smell of Success, a 1957 American satirical film noir directed by Alexander Mackendrick, written by Ernest Lehman, Clifford Odets and Ernest Lehman, starring Burt Lancaster, Tony Curtis, Susan Harrison and Martin Milner. (See the scene on U2be). –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:41, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I don't see the connection. <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 23:35, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south...... playing tunes for 5 years 17:08, 18 October 2011 (UTC)


 * I think I do. Support. Simply south...... playing tunes for 5 years 19:38, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south...... "time, department skies" for 5 years 22:32, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

===→ SPQR (Senatus Populusque Romanus) ("The Senate and People of Rome") === "Wikipedia Caput Mundi!!!" –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:41, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I wouldn't really call this a motto. <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 23:34, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south...... playing tunes for 5 years 17:08, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south...... "time, department skies" for 5 years 22:32, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

===→ Peace cannot be kept by force; it can only be achieved by understanding.===
 * Benzband (talk) 10:25, 16 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Support - This looks good. <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 17:10, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Support ~ it's strange that it hasn't nominated before. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:32, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

✅ per consensus. Simply south...... "time, department skies" for 5 years 22:32, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

====→ Peace cannot be kept by force; it can only be achieved by understanding.====
 * Edit 1. - Benzband (talk) 10:27, 16 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Oppose - The original makes more sense. <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 17:10, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

in favour of original. Simply south...... "time, department skies" for 5 years 22:32, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

===→ Semper Paratus ("Always Ready") === Latin motto. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:55, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - For the ambassadors. Benzband (talk) 18:39, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I don't really like the link. <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 21:28, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

in favour of edit 1. Simply south...... "time, department skies" for 5 years 22:32, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

====→ Semper Paratus ("Always Ready") ==== Edit 1 <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 21:28, 19 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Support (both versions) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 06:46, 25 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Support- for the CVU. -Benzband (talk) 10:31, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

✅ per consensus. Simply south...... "time, department skies" for 5 years 22:32, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

→ All our lives transformed / Touched forever more / All connected / All as one
A quatrain from "The Raven King", a song by Killing Joke featured on their 2010 album Absolute Dissent. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:46, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Support -  Yes!  :)  Benzband (talk) 18:48, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - That'll do. <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 21:29, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

✅ per consensus. Simply south...... "time, department skies" for 5 years 22:32, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

→ Everyone should be respected as an individual, but no one idolized.

 * Benzband (talk) 10:11, 16 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Oppose - I have an idea. <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 17:09, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

in favour of edit 1. Simply south...... "time, department skies" for 5 years 22:32, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

→ Everyone should be respected as an individual, but no one idolized.
Edit 1 <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 17:09, 16 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Support - Yes, this works better. :D  - Benzband (talk) 17:48, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:33, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

✅ per consensus. Simply south...... "time, department skies" for 5 years 22:32, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

→ Everyone should be respected as an individual, but no one idolized.
Fish 2 → Σ  τ  c. 19:59, 16 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Weak Support - This works, but i prefer Edit 1 :)  Benzband (talk) 17:51, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I like NVC. <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 01:05, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

in favour of edit 1. Simply south...... "time, department skies" for 5 years 22:32, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

→ Boldness be my friend.

 * From William Shakespeare's play Cymbeline. - Benzband (talk) 09:54, 16 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Support - Looks good. I fixed the source link; more specific links are good things. <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 17:07, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok -thanks for doing so. - Benzband (talk) 18:51, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:33, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

✅ per consensus. Simply south...... "time, department skies" for 5 years 22:32, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

→ If they won't f**king stop, then we're gonna f**king stop them!
The last line of "From Protest to Resistance" from Conflict's 1984 album Increase the Pressure. Lyrics written by Colin Jerwood. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 10:50, 27 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Oppose - Although I think it is fine, there is a rather large chance of people disliking this one. <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 04:06, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes I understand. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:17, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south...... playing tunes for 5 years 20:21, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Weak Support - I also think it's fine. (but i must moderate for the same reason as Hi878 :)  Benzband (talk) 18:54, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south...... "time, department skies" for 5 years 22:32, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

===→ The Good are better made by Ill, As odors crushed are sweeter still.=== Samuel Rogers (30 July 1763 – 18 December 1855), Jacqueline (1814) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 10:09, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - Looks good. <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 04:05, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

- not enough discussion. Simply south...... playing tunes for 5 years 20:21, 11 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Support I like this one actually. Simply south...... "time, department skies" for 5 years 22:32, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

✅ per consensus. Simply south...... "time, department skies" for 5 years 22:32, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

===→ When forces of oppression come to maintain themselves in power against established law, peace is considered already broken.=== Guerrilla Warfare (1960), Chapter 1: "General Principles of Guerrilla Warfare" by Ernesto "Che" Guevara (14 June 1928 – 9 October 1967). –p joe f (talk • contribs) 10:13, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - Very true indeed. Benzband (talk) 17:11, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - Looks fine. <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 22:23, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

✅ per consensus. Simply south...... "time, department skies" for 5 years 22:32, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

===→ Semper Fidelis ("Always Faithful") === Motto widely used in medieval Europe, and then adopted by the United States Marine Corps in 1883. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:40, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I prefer Edit 2. <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 22:21, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

in favour of edit 2. Simply south...... "time, department skies" for 5 years 22:32, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

====→ Semper Fidelis ("Always Faithful") ==== Edit 1 with Principles. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:40, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I prefer Edit 2. <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 22:21, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

in favour of edit 2. Simply south...... "time, department skies" for 5 years 22:32, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

====→ Semper Fidelis ("Always Faithful") ==== Edit 2 with WP:JWP. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:40, 11 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Support - This is my favorite. <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 22:21, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
 * This is my favourite too. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 11:35, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - This one works best out of them all. - Benzband (talk) 18:01, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

✅ per consensus. Simply south...... "time, department skies" for 5 years 22:32, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

====→ Semper Fidelis ("Always Faithful") ==== Edit 3 with WP:FIVE. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:40, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I prefer Edit 2. <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 22:21, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

in favour of edit 2. Simply south...... "time, department skies" for 5 years 22:32, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

====→ Semper Fidelis ("Always Faithful") ==== Edit 4 with WP:TRIFECTA. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:40, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I prefer Edit 2. <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 22:21, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

in favour of edit 2. Simply south...... "time, department skies" for 5 years 22:32, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

===→ The rising blushes, which her cheek o'er–spread, Are op'ning roses in the lily's bed.=== Evander under the name of Lycidas to Laura in Dione: A Pastoral Tragedy, Act II, Scene II (late 1719; originally published in Poems on Several Occasions, London, 1720) by John Gay (1685-1732). –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:25, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - Looks good. <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 22:19, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - Is good.  Benzband (talk) 18:57, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

✅ per consensus. Simply south...... "time, department skies" for 5 years 22:32, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

→ Bear free and patient thoughts.
Edgar, son of the Earl of Gloucester (meaning: "cheer up and be at peace.") in King Lear, Act IV, Scene VI (1623) by William Shakespeare (1564–1616) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:56, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I prefer Edit 2. <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 22:18, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

in favour of edit 2. Simply south...... "time, department skies" for 5 years 22:32, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

→ Bear free and patient thoughts.
Edit 1 with WP:KIND for the first link. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:56, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I prefer Edit 2. <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 22:18, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - "Kind" as in "cheer [others] up"? - Benzband (talk) 09:38, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

in favour of edit 2. Simply south...... "time, department skies" for 5 years 22:32, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

→ Bear free and patient thoughts.
Edit 2 with WP:FUN for the first link. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:56, 11 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Support - This is the best. <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 22:18, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - This version is the more fun. Benzband (talk) 08:55, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Also, "fun" works OK as the "cheer up" in "cheer up and be at peace."
 * This my prefered version. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 11:59, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

✅ edit 2 per consensus. Simply south...... "time, department skies" for 5 years 22:32, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

→ Prodigious!
Simply south...... playing tunes for 5 years 09:34, 22 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Support - Whatever. <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 00:56, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 06:41, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Support -- Benzband (talk) 10:26, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/November 10, 2011 (per consensus; 4 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 12:08, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

→ Hello, everybody. This is Mrs. Norman Maine.
Vicki Lester portrayed by Judy Garland in A Star Is Born, a 1954 American musical film directed by George Cukor, written by William A. Wellman, Robert Carson, Dorothy Parker, Alan Campbell, Moss Hart, starring Judy Garland and James Mason, music composed by Harold Arlen, written by Ira Gershwin, directed by Ray Heindorf, and orchestrated by Skip Martin. Originally on the 1937 film of the same name, starring Janet Gaynor and Fredric March, directed by William A. Wellman. This is the last line of both films. Shortly before, Norman Maine, a former matinee idol and Vicki's husband, drowned himself into the ocean. When Vicki arrives on stage for the finale, she is asked to say a few words to her fans. Then the crowd erupts into a standing ovation. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 10:50, 18 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Oppose - this implies that no matter what, they will always get a barnstar for everything they do. That's not how it works. Simply south...... playing tunes for 5 years 17:08, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I agree with Mr. South. <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 21:30, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

(in favour of Edit 1) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 12:06, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

→ Hello, everybody. This is Mrs. Norman Maine.
How about this? Piano 1. Simply south...... playing tunes for 5 years 17:08, 18 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Support - This is good. <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 21:30, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Support for this version (edit 1) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 06:44, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Support Why not? - Benzband (talk) 10:29, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/November 9, 2011 (per consensus; 4 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 12:06, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

→ It is best to risk sparing a guilty person than to condemn an innocent one.

 * OK, don't assume because of this that i am a guilty person. (or should you?)  -  Benzband (talk) 17:38, 28 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Support - Looks good. <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 01:49, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Support (both the original and edit 2) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 06:58, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

(in favour of Edit 2) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 12:03, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

→ It is best to risk sparing a guilty person than to condemn an innocent one.

 * Edit 1. This won't spare me from the wrath of deletionists…  :)  - Benzband (talk) 17:38, 28 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Oppose - Considering what a "Good Article" is... This situation is rather unlikely. <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 01:49, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose Can coal ball be deleted? I think the chance is rather low. → Σ  τ  c . 08:11, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose ~ edit 2 and the original are better than this versions (IMHO). –p joe f (talk • contribs) 06:59, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

(in favour of Edit 2) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 12:03, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

→ It is best to risk sparing a guilty person than to condemn an innocent one.

 * Edit 2. Hey, you're right, maybe the original (Edit 0) is better anyway. - Benzband (talk) 14:50, 30 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Support - This works, actually. <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 16:31, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Support (both the original and edit 2) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 06:58, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south...... playing tunes for 5 years 19:39, 12 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Weak support Simply south...... playing tunes for 5 years 19:57, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

✅ (Edit 2) for Motto of the day/November 8, 2011 (per consensus; ĳ.5–4 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 12:03, 1 November 2011 (UTC)