Wikipedia:Motto of the day/Nominations/Archive 42

→ You're responsible for your actions, so you don't blame other people.
Billy, british duke. benzband ( talk ) 17:41, 17 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:27, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Support - Fartherred (talk) 22:25, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

✅ per consensus. Simply south...... going on editing sprees for just 6 years (as of 28/03/2006) 20:19, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

→ It ain't about how hard you hit; it's about how hard you can get hit, and keep moving forward.
From the film Rocky Balboa (2006), where Rocky (Sylvester Stallone) gives his only son (Milo Ventimiglia) some profound advice. Bulldog73 talk da contribs  go rando 04:57, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Support - although i don't get the first link. benzband  ( talk ) 15:43, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment It means that it doesn't matter whether you're an admin or not, but whether you can keep a cool head during disputes. Bulldog73 talk da contribs  go rando 22:26, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
 * ok, it makes more sense now  benzband  ( talk ) 09:14, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
 * comment - I understand that you intend the motto to mean that using admin power in an edit war is not what decides the issue, but rather being cool and using accepted policy based arguments in a good dispute resolution process will bring good results. However this is based upon using your explanation as a crutch for a motto that is too lame to explain itself.  There is a valuable heart but it should be improved. Fartherred (talk) 02:48, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

in favour of edit 1. Simply south...... going on editing sprees for just 6 years (as of 28/03/2006) 20:19, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

→ It ain't about how hard you hit; it's about how hard you can get hit, and keep moving forward.
Edit 1 - How about this one? Bulldog73 talk da contribs  go rando 14:25, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Support - Acceptable. Fartherred (talk) 00:22, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Support - benzband  ( talk ) 15:53, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Support Edit 1 or 2 - but prefer Edit 1 &#0149;martyx&#0149; tk ct gy 14:02, 26 March 2012 (UTC) ←Small text pasted here from right below by benzband  ( talk )

✅ per consensus. Simply south...... going on editing sprees for just 6 years (as of 28/03/2006) 20:19, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

→ It ain't about how hard you hit; it's about how hard you can get hit, and keep moving forward.
Edit 2 ~ Does this work? There are some alternatives such as WP:FORGIVE for both "how hard you can get hit" and "keep moving forward". –p joe f (talk • contribs) 10:09, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Support - Edit 1 or Edit 2, either is OK. Fartherred (talk) 21:51, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Support Edit 1 or 2 - but prefer Edit 1 &#0149;martyx&#0149; tk ct gy 14:02, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

in favour of edit 1. Simply south...... going on editing sprees for just 6 years (as of 28/03/2006) 20:19, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck
Shriram (talk) 14:32, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Support Mr  little  irish  14:43, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Support - Fartherred (talk) 20:45, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Weak support - i think it could do without the sockpuppetry link. Also, couldn't a more original approach be found for the duck test? benzband  ( talk ) 15:43, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Quackstion: Does it need to be atributed to James Whitcomb Riley: "when I see a bird that walks like a duck and swims like a duck and quacks like a duck, I call that bird a duck"? –p joe f (talk • contribs) 10:36, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

✅ per consensus. Simply south...... going on editing sprees for just 6 years (as of 28/03/2006) 20:19, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck
Quack 1 with only one link, per benzband. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 10:36, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Support either edit but prefer the single link &#0149;martyx&#0149; tk ct gy 14:00, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

in favour of original. Simply south...... going on editing sprees for just 6 years (as of 28/03/2006) 20:19, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

===→ Aurora Musis amica ("Dawn is friend to the Muses") === Desiderius Erasmus (c.a. 1466–1536), De Ratione Studii. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:35, 21 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Support - The links on the latin one make it look like "create friendly editors" ;) benzband  ( talk ) 19:42, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Reviewed, found quite acceptable at this time. Perusing Erasmus, came across - "But one thing the facts cry out, and it can be clear, as they say, even to a blind man, that often through the translator’s clumsiness or inattention the Greek has been wrongly rendered; often the true and genuine reading has been corrupted by ignorant scribes, which we see happen every day, or altered by scribes who are half-taught and half-asleep."[24] So he included the Greek text to permit qualified readers to verify the quality of his Latin version. -- Just a suggestion, though the effect of over-linking can be comical, perhaps too much of a good thing.
 * Suggest change to (?) Aurora Musis  amica ("Dawn is friend to the Muses") Still ...  NewbyG  ( talk) 23:48, 9 March 2012 (UTC)


 * support - The first version is acceptable. Fartherred (talk) 02:42, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

✅ per consensus. Simply south...... going on editing sprees for just 6 years (as of 28/03/2006) 20:19, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

====→ Aurora Musis  amica ("Dawn is friend to the Muses") ==== Submitting this as a variation on the above, thanks. NewbyG ( talk) 21:25, 10 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment: I like the links you've used, but there is an unwritten rule that prohibits to link to the main/article namespace with the exception of Wikipedia. I must confess that personally I have never understood the reason for this. Probably, it serves to promote other namespaces such as WikiProjects, Help pages, MoS, Policies and guidelines, and etcetera. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 11:35, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south...... facing oncoming traffic for over 5 years 18:44, 14 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Note: There is a new proposal to use wlink to articles in the article/main namespace. Please, give us your opinion about this. Thanks! –p joe f (talk • contribs) 20:26, 15 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Weak Oppose - i think linking to "friendship" is rather confusing in parallel with "muses", to those who haven't got a clue what the latin means. benzband  ( talk ) 15:43, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

in favour of original'. Simply south...... going on editing sprees for just 6 years (as of 28/03/2006)

→ Fluoridation is the most monstrously conceived and dangerous plot we have ever had to face.
Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb (1964) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:38, 7 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Support - ??? benzband  ( talk ) 18:52, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Reviewed, found needs work at this time. How about Tendentious editing is the most monstrously conceived and dangerous plot we have ever had to face.  NewbyG  ( talk) 15:52, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Although that may seem better, this is a quote and therefore we must respect it as is otherwise it isn't really a quote (sorry if i'm a trifle unclear ;) Also, you can make an "edited" version below (using level 4 header) if you wish to do so. Cheers ~ benzband  ( talk ) 17:23, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

→ Tendentious editing is the most monstrously conceived and dangerous plot we have ever had to face.
Edit 1 ~ Submitting a variation on the above, thanks. Note though that this is no longer a direct quote, so no arrow (is that right?) NewbyG  ( talk) 21:20, 10 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Well, it's a very little variation of, so I readded the arrow link. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 12:15, 11 March 2012 (UTC)


 * I support using the quote, but without linking to tendentious editing. Just the straight quote, it is the most monstrous and dangerous plot of which I am aware and for which the facts are well known and accessible. User:Pedant (talk) 17:09, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * comment - Without linking to WP policy, it cannot be considered for MOTD. Fartherred (talk) 18:29, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * To correct my statement: A motto of the day must deal with Wikipedia policy, whether by literal interpretation of the words or by links that show a metaphorical relationship. Fartherred (talk) 18:40, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * comment - See the discussion on the talk page, about links, if interested. NewbyG  ( talk) 03:46, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south...... facing oncoming traffic for over 5 years 18:44, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
 * comment - I have now offered two mottos that link to WP:Tendentious editing, above. So we are not forced to consider the fluoridation controversy as an example of tendentiousness.  It is considered humorous by some, but some people still drink bottled water to avoid fluoridation.  So, pick your motto.  Fartherred (talk) 21:57, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose - i think the meaning is understood just with the link, you don't need to change the quote itself to include "tendentious editing". benzband  ( talk ) 15:43, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south...... going on editing sprees for just 6 years (as of 28/03/2006) 20:19, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

Let the darkness be gone and there be light.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Anubhab91 (talk • contribs) 18:44, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
 * This phrase is often found in prayers. Hope, it is suitable here.


 * Hi, welcome to MOTD and thanks for your contribution. However do you know the source, if there is one? Also, culd you find some links to make this relevant to Wikipedia? Simply south...... facing oncoming traffic for over 5 years 18:44, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Here is one source from the Gita:
 * Tamasa Ma Yotirgamaya Anubhab91 (talk) 04:07, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

in favour of edit 2. Simply south...... going on editing sprees for just 6 years (as of 28/03/2006) 20:19, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

Let the darkness be gone and there be light.
Edit 1 - Welcome to MOTD!, user:Anubhab91, and thank you for the suggestion for our motto shop. This Edit 1 (a fourth-level header used) is now linked to a page in WPspace. People, please look carefully at the (2) articles also linked, they are educational, and uplifting, which is what a motto ought to strive to be, and they also represent what we are really here for, the writing of articles. Please, any users who are wishing to discuss the matter of links, there is a section currently open on the talk page for the project, comments are welcome there. (Sorry, I didn't do the arrow thing, could some other helpful user care to comment and fix that if convenient. Linking to the Gita ought to do, or...) Ty NewbyG  ( talk) 07:40, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment - Am i to understand this has been used by the motto shop? in which case it shouldn't really be used again here. benzband  ( talk ) 15:43, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Why not? There are some mottos that have been used over and over again, think to "all for one and one for all" for example. Also, this was (probably) used for Motto Shop but not here. I'm for using it here (if there is consensus, of course). –p joe f (talk • contribs) 10:44, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

in favour of edit 2. Simply south...... going on editing sprees for just 6 years (as of 28/03/2006) 20:19, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

→ Let the darkness be gone and let there be light.
Edit 2 - I add another link to policy and remove the link to for light because it can be understood without a link. "Let there be light." was the moto for the 14th of June, 2010. I searched back through archive 20 and there was no motto "let the darkness be gone." so there is no reason to oppose this nomination on that grounds. If it is a problem we could remove: "Let there be light." Fartherred (talk) 06:00, 19 March 2012 (UTC)


 * How about using WP:FA for "let there be light"? I will support this version (edit 2) with or without the WP:FA/light link. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 10:47, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Support as per pjoef suggestion &#0149;martyx&#0149; tk ct gy 13:58, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

✅ per consensus. Simply south...... going on editing sprees for just 6 years (as of 28/03/2006) 20:19, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

→ Let's put it on. The last suit you'll ever wear.
Men in Black (1997) Shriram (talk) 03:28, 10 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 10:32, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Support - Fartherred (talk) 03:15, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Support - benzband  ( talk ) 16:41, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Needs a little more consensus to send through.-- LAA Fan '' 22:25, 24 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Support &#0149;martyx&#0149; tk ct gy 14:05, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/April 30, 2012 (per WP:SNOW) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 13:00, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

It is hard to improve without admitting error.
Fartherred (talk) 14:54, 9 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Reviewed and found acceptable, well stated and useful motto. NewbyG  ( talk) 15:52, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Support - Excellent. — Smtchahal (talk &#124; contribs) 05:36, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Support --Thereen (talk) 08:08, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Support (Switching my preference and support to Edit 1 below) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 10:51, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Weak Support - have also made an edit using WP:ADMIT (see below). benzband  ( talk ) 11:17, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

(in favour of Edit 1 4:0 vs 5:0) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 12:58, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

It is hard to improve without admitting error.
Edit 1 ~ benzband  ( talk ) 11:17, 11 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Support (this version) Admitting you're wrong seems to be better. –p joe f (talk • contribs)
 * Support This is much better than the one above!  ·Add§hore·  T alk T o M e ! 13:48, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Support (this edit 1) : much better link. NewbyG  ( talk) 20:58, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
 * comment - I should not support my own nomination, but I do not oppose the changed link. Fartherred (talk) 13:43, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

- I found it hard to determine which one was the best option. Simply south...... facing oncoming traffic for over 5 years 17:45, 23 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Support Edit 1 &#0149;martyx&#0149; tk ct gy 14:06, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/April 29, 2012 (per WP:SNOW) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 12:58, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

→ All your base are belong to us
Simply south...... facing oncoming traffic for over 5 years 16:54, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: Variants of this phrase were featured in June 2006 (All your knowledge are belong to us!) and March 2007 (All your edits are belong to us!). -- Black Falcon (talk) 18:59, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't see the connection to Link rot; would you explain, please? Thanks, -- Black Falcon (talk) 18:59, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
 * The English is broken, the links are broken. Simply south...... facing oncoming traffic for over 5 years 19:11, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

(in favour of Edit 1 aka Sudowoodo 1) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 12:47, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Or

→ All your base are belong to us
Sudowoodo 1. Simply south...... facing oncoming traffic for over 5 years 19:13, 20 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Support, this edit with the link to WTF. The text is classic, of course, might even be suitable for an April Fool motto, perhaps. Ty NewbyG  ( talk) 01:56, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Support - benzband  ( talk ) 16:29, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Support &#0149;martyx&#0149; tk ct gy 14:09, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 11:35, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

✅ (edit 1 ~ aka Sudowoodo 1) for Motto of the day/April 28, 2012 (per WP:SNOW) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 12:47, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Everybody has a story to tell
Not quite sure where this is from. Simply south...... facing oncoming traffic for over 5 years 00:52, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Joe Strummer maybe? –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:25, 20 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:25, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Support - benzband  ( talk ) 16:29, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Support &#0149;martyx&#0149; tk ct gy 14:09, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/April 27, 2012 (per consensus; 4 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 12:44, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

→ The reason men oppose progress is not that they hate progress, but that they love inertia.
Elbert Hubbard (1856-1915), american writer, artist and philosopher. benzband ( talk ) 15:43, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose - This motto currently links to the User:Skomorokh/No problem page by redirect. Fartherred (talk) 06:53, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

(in favour of Edit 1) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 12:42, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

→ The reason men oppose progress is not that they hate progress, but that they love inertia.
Edit 1 –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:27, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Support - Edit 1 is acceptable. Fartherred (talk) 02:56, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Support - Of course ;-) benzband  ( talk ) 16:29, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Support &#0149;martyx&#0149; tk ct gy 14:03, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

✅ (edit 1) for Motto of the day/April 26, 2012 (per consensus; 3 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 12:42, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

→ I don't care too much for money. Money can't buy me love.
From Paul McCartney in Can't Buy Me Love
 * comment - This should be considered an alternative to the Union of Bought and Paid for Scientists motto below. Fartherred (talk) 14:45, 17 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Support - accepting one doesn't dismiss the possibility of the other getting accepted as well ;) benzband  ( talk ) 15:43, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Support ~ Well done! –p joe f (talk • contribs) 10:00, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Support &#0149;martyx&#0149; tk ct gy 14:03, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/April 25, 2012 (per consensus; 4 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 12:40, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Debate and discuss but don't argue with a friend, you may win the argument but you lose a friend

 * This phrase was often used in my school bulletin board. Hope, it is suitable here. Madhuric (talk) 09:24, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose - could you find some good link(s) for your motto? benzband  ( talk ) 15:43, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

(in favour of Edit 2) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 12:39, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Debate and discuss but don't argue with a friend; you may win the argument, but you will lose your friend.
Edit 1 - Suitable links found, and grammar corrected. Bulldog73 talk da contribs  go rando 22:40, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Support - i have also proposed a slight addition in edit 2. :-) benzband  ( talk ) 09:18, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

(in favour of Edit 2) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 12:39, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Debate and discuss but don't argue with a friend; you may win the argument, but you will lose your friend.
Edit 2, added a final link. benzband ( talk ) 09:18, 18 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Support Looks better. :-) Bulldog73 talk da contribs  go rando 20:54, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Support (edit 2). Excellent Teamwork! –p joe f (talk • contribs) 10:03, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Support &#0149;martyx&#0149; tk ct gy 14:02, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

✅ (edit 2) for Motto of the day/April 24, 2012 (per consensus; 4 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 12:39, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

→ Why Can’t We All Just Get Along?

 * Fartherred (talk) 21:34, 16 March 2012 (UTC)


 * comment - The stamping motto above, the fluoridation motto below, and this one all link to WP:Tendentious editing. We should pick one of the three and that should be enough until we have run mottos linking a fair selection of what is available in WP: space. Fartherred (talk) 14:01, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Support - Because we're humans. benzband  ( talk ) 15:43, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 10:25, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Support &#0149;martyx&#0149; tk ct gy 14:01, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/April 23, 2012 (per consensus; 4 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 12:36, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

===→ I'm going to live through this, and when it's all over, I'll never be hungry again - no, nor any of my folks!=== Gone with the Wind (1939) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:55, 13 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Support Looks good. Bulldog73 talk da contribs  go rando 05:08, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Support - benzband  ( talk ) 15:43, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Support but shouldn't it be I'll never be... instead of I'll never be...? &#0149;martyx&#0149; tk ct gy 13:55, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Welcome back! I hope you are fine! I'm sorry martyx, but I do not understand the difference. There is another version that uses: "I'm never going to" instead of "I'll never". A gigolo (aka google ~ lol) search produces about the same results (5k for the first, and 3.5k for the latter). In the finale of the film, Vivien Leigh says "I'll never". –p joe f (talk • contribs) 12:22, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/April 22, 2012 (per consensus; 4 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 12:33, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

→ The bad affright, afflict the best!
Daughter of Jove, relentless power, Thou tamer of the human breast. Whose iron scourge and torturing hour The bad affright, afflict the best! Thomas Gray (1716–1771), Hymn to Adversity (1753). Trying to promote a WikiProject. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:43, 13 March 2012 (UTC)


 *  Support And no adversity shall overcome us! NewbyG  ( talk) 03:43, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Support - benzband  ( talk ) 14:46, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Support &#0149;martyx&#0149; tk ct gy 13:54, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/April 21, 2012 (per consensus; 4 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 12:31, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

===→ Habit is Heaven's own redress: it takes the place of happiness.=== Alexander Pushkin's Eugene Onegin, Ch. 2, st. 31. Habit is Heaven's own redress: it takes the place of happiness. Ditto.-- GoP T <sup style="color:#8EE5EE;">C <sub style="color:#8EE5EE;">N 18:10, 10 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Support + note: I changed the arrow link to point to Eugene Onegin and moved the 2-line motto within the header. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:40, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Support - benzband  ( talk ) 10:12, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

✅ per consensus. Simply south...... facing oncoming traffic for over 5 years 23:17, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

===→ I sit on the kerb The driver changes the wheel. I don't like to be, where I'm coming from. I don't like to be, where I'm going to. Why do I watch the wheel change With impatience?=== I sit on the kerb The driver changes the wheel. I don't like to be, where I'm coming from. I don't like to be, where I'm going to. Why do I watch the wheel change With impatience? "The Wheel Change", a great poem by Brecht.-- GoP <sub style="color:#8EE5EE;">T <sup style="color:#8EE5EE;">C <sub style="color:#8EE5EE;">N 18:01, 10 March 2012 (UTC) The driver changes the wheel. [...] </li><li>[...] I don't like to be, where I'm coming from. I don't like to be, where I'm going to. [...] </li><li>[...] Why do I watch the wheel change With impatience?</li></ol> –p joe f (talk • contribs) 10:27, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
 *  oppose  - too long Fartherred (talk) 03:30, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Note + suggestion: I moved the 7-line motto within the header. How about dividing it into three parts for three consecutive days? <ol><li>I sit on the kerb
 * Comment - agree with this suggestion (it would then dismiss the "too long" argument). benzband  ( talk ) 11:05, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment - agree with this suggestion (interesting idea to have a motto which spans three consecutive days). NewbyG  ( talk) 20:13, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Support - It would be nice to get more than a month's worth of mottos scheduled in advance. The separated mottos are acceptable.  Fartherred (talk) 17:34, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

✅ per consensus. Simply south...... facing oncoming traffic for over 5 years 23:17, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

A fan remembers the art of an artist better than the artist himself.
I created it myself, I've experienced it. — Smtchahal (talk &#124; contribs) 05:32, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment - Could you find a link for this motto? benzband  ( talk ) 17:19, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

in favour of edit 1. Simply south...... facing oncoming traffic for over 5 years 23:17, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

A fan remembers the art of an artist better than the artist himself.
Edit 1 with links. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 10:31, 11 March 2012 (UTC)


 * support (Edit 1) Oh that's very good. NewbyG  ( talk) 21:01, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
 * support - OK. This once we can refer to Jimbo, but don't over do it. Fartherred (talk) 23:19, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

✅ per consensus. Simply south...... facing oncoming traffic for over 5 years 23:17, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

===→ The Union of Concerned Scientists says the Bush administration manipulates and suppresses science. The administration points out that the Union of Bought and Paid for Scientists disagrees.=== Apparently originates from fark.com. Maybe a better link could be found for the first part. benzband ( talk ) 10:42, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
 * oppose - If editors have a desperate need to comment on politics there are choices available at Lamest edit wars or the article about the party of choice can be edited directly. I suggest that Wikipedia's MOTD not become an arm of the Democratic National Committee or of any Republican, Libertarian, or Communist counterpart.  Please stick to the community or purpose of Wikipedia.  We do not worship the Union of Concerned Scientists and I doubt that it was suggesting that the Bush administration suppressed Wikipedia. Fartherred (talk) 03:54, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * comment - I strongly discourage editors to edit directly an article about a political party just to comment on politics without thinking carefully first, as they have quite a good chance of being reverted :P I totally agree that this motto is probably not very good, especially the first link as you pointed out. As for the purpose of Wikipedia, i realize (and don't deny) most of my nominations may not be up to it. Oh ,and the two mentioned "Unions" never existed, they were just made up by somebody [wasting time?] on the internet some day.. ^^ benzband  ( talk ) 19:37, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * If you believe that the Union of Concerned Scientists does not exist, perhaps you should begin the process of deleting its article from Wikipedia as a hoax. As for editing directly the article about some political organization, it is a good way for an editor one disagrees with to go away and get into trouble so they will be less effective in disagreeing. Fartherred (talk) 07:05, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Ha ha, oh my god… i am in total error. I am not american, i did not know of the UCS, and just happened read this on the internet through a simple twist of fate. Mea maxima culpa. However, even if the UCS does exist this doesn't stop it from being a pun on the name : concerned vs paid. Thus, a paid scientist editor is bound to be biased. After reflection i also understand that the introduction of "Bush" into the phrase could make this nomination offensive. So please take a look at Edit 1. Best regards ~ benzband  ( talk ) 17:12, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

→ The administration points out that the Union of Bought and Paid for Scientists disagrees.
Edit 1, which won't offend anybody (apart from if they happen to know the full quote, but i cant help that ;) benzband  ( talk ) 17:12, 13 March 2012 (UTC)


 *  Support Edit 1  NewbyG  ( talk) 03:54, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
 * oppose - The Edit 1 version is insulting to those who work as scientists in general because scientists in general are paid to work and put in a full work week or more each week. The contribution of amateur scientists to the body of modern science is precious little.  The motto also implies that scientists would make their research outcomes anything that is required to get another grant approved by the government.  While there have been problems in this regard, most scientists make sure personal desire for a particular outcome does not influence research results.  The Can't Buy Me Love motto above should be considered as an alternative way of linking to WP:PEW.
 * What really lies behind this is not scientists, it's users. Now, most users aren't paid to edit WP; however some are, thus the existence WP:PEW. Once again, the quote is but an excuse to introduce the motto-reader to the essay. benzband  ( talk ) 18:06, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
 * The quote does not merely introduce the motto-reader to the essay, it also belittles scientists in general. Since it is the business of Fark to insult and belittle people in an attempt at humor, Fark is in general not a good source of mottos for Wikipedia which is not in the business of making fun of people.  Fartherred (talk) 06:41, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

both versions of the motto. No consensus. -- LAA Fan '' 22:29, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

→ A person who knows all sciences but does not know himself is a poor and ignorant person.
From A Calendar of Wisdom by Leo Tolstoy.-- GoP <sub style="color:#8EE5EE;">T <sup style="color:#8EE5EE;">C <sub style="color:#8EE5EE;">N 12:13, 11 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Weak Support ~ the set of links isn't too bad, but isn't too good either. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:58, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
 *  Oppose probably. Just don't think we need the word Troll, but then I lean towards poetry and sometimes living in Fairyland I know. NewbyG  ( talk) 03:58, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose Anubhab91 (talk) 14:36, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
 * comment - No person other than God knows himself perfectly. Some self knowledge is good, more is better, but self knowledge should not be one's whole aim.  I find children with only a primitive form of self knowledge can still have riches and wisdom in their perception of the universe.  I think this motto is too hard on those who do not know themselves.  I would like to see more efforts by G.O.Pumpkin so we can have more to comment on. Fartherred (talk) 20:22, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Weak Support - the links could do with some improvement. Also, i must point out that it ain't ignorance causes so much trouble; it's folks knowing so much that ain't so. benzband  ( talk ) 14:42, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

Due to lack of support.-- LAA Fan '' 22:22, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

→ Trying is just the first step toward failure.
Homer Simpson (The Simpsons - 1989). benzband ( talk ) 10:42, 11 March 2012 (UTC)


 * support - An interesting way to link to the WP:Failure article. Fartherred (talk) 04:29, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Support User:Pedant (talk) 17:36, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * hum... not a very good message. Let me see if I can help.... –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:29, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Support Good link, support this and edit one also, difficult to choose between. NewbyG  ( talk) 20:09, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

✅-- LAA Fan '' 22:19, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

→ Trying is just the first step toward failure.
Edit 1 –p joe f (talk • contribs)
 * Support - also. benzband  ( talk ) 17:35, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
 * comment - We could go with either one, but I prefer the original link. Fartherred (talk) 17:55, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

In favor of the original.-- LAA Fan '' 22:19, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

Look both ways, before you cross the street.
Maybe a bit trite, but this was extremely useful advice when taught to me in first-grade school in Australia, in the sixties, and it’s still true today, and probably still taught at schools many places. NewbyG ( talk) 18:23, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

in favour of edit 1. Simply south...... facing oncoming traffic for over 5 years 17:47, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

Look both ways, before you cross the street.
Edit 1, with WP:POINT covering the entire motto. benzband ( talk ) 17:19, 10 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Support - level 4 header version - more closely related link Fartherred (talk) 04:49, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Support (both versions, with a slight preference for edit 1) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 10:34, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

✅ per consensus. Simply south...... facing oncoming traffic for over 5 years 17:47, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

===→ Barbarus hic ego sum ("I am the barbarian here") === Publius Ovidius Naso (Ovid) (43 BC – AD 17/18), Tristia 5/10:37, written in exile on the Black Sea (9–12 CE). –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:55, 7 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Support - Wow ~ i really enjoyed that article ;) benzband  ( talk ) 17:55, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Support Andie '' (Leave a message!) 12:06, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment Not really liking the double-up linking at this moment, other than that fine I think, could perhaps (?) NewbyG  ( talk) 00:00, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
 * support this version User:Pedant (talk) 17:19, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

✅ per consensus. Simply south...... facing oncoming traffic for over 5 years 21:44, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

====→ Barbarus hic ego sum ("I am the barbarian here") ==== Edit 1 ~ Might be be an improvement .. NewbyG ( talk) 21:34, 10 March 2012 (UTC)


 * "Ostracism" is in the article namespace. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 12:21, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: There is a new proposal to use wlink to articles in the article/main namespace. Please, give us your opinion about this. Thanks! –p joe f (talk • contribs) 20:26, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

in favour of original. Simply south...... facing oncoming traffic for over 5 years 21:44, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

====→ Barbarus hic ego sum ("I am the barbarian here") ==== Edit 2 (per NewbyG) with BARBARIAN, but for both links. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 12:21, 11 March 2012 (UTC)


 * support this version User:Pedant (talk) 17:19, 12 March 2012 (UTC) ~ Moved to the original. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 10:55, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment yes, this is fine. Aren't the links the same as the third-level header? NewbyG  ( talk) 03:48, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, you are right! This is the same as the original. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 10:55, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

in favour of original. Simply south...... facing oncoming traffic for over 5 years 21:44, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

===→ Bellum magis desierat, quam pax coeperat ("It was rather that war ended, than that peace began") === Tacitus (55 – 120), Historiae 4:1 (c. 100–110) –p joe f (talk'' • contribs) 10:04, 13 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Support - Shriram (talk) 12:48, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Support - NewbyG  ( talk) 03:42, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Support - Perspective. benzband  ( talk ) 15:43, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

✅ per consensus. Simply south...... facing oncoming traffic for over 5 years 01:00, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

→ Now is when things happen
from http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Glenn User:Pedant (talk) 17:32, 12 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Support - benzband  ( talk ) 19:52, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:49, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Support - Now and Zen. NewbyG  ( talk) 04:01, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

✅ per consensus. Simply south...... facing oncoming traffic for over 5 years 00:55, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

→ If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue, yours is the Earth and everything that's in it.
from If— by Rudyard Kipling -- Fartherred (talk) 13:30, 12 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Support (note: I changed the arrow link to point directly to the poem.) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:52, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Support Took me a while to get the final link! I am not a visually-oriented person. NewbyG  ( talk) 04:00, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Support - benzband  ( talk ) 14:43, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

✅ per consensus. Simply south...... facing oncoming traffic for over 5 years 00:55, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

→ The strongest of all warriors are these two — Time and Patience.
From War and Peace by Leo Tolstoy.-- GoP <sub style="color:#8EE5EE;">T <sup style="color:#8EE5EE;">C <sub style="color:#8EE5EE;">N 12:13, 11 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Support - I love this  ·Add§hore·  <sup style="color:black;">T alk T o M e ! 13:43, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Support - Good one. — Smtchahal (talk &#124; contribs) 13:12, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Support - Yes, great quote :-) benzband  ( talk ) 19:52, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:53, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/April 8, 2012 (per consensus) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:32, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

→ When joy disappears, look for your mistake.
From A Calendar of Wisdom by Leo Tolstoy.-- GoP <sub style="color:#8EE5EE;">T <sup style="color:#8EE5EE;">C <sub style="color:#8EE5EE;">N 12:13, 11 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Support good links NewbyG  ( talk) 08:23, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * support - accepable Fartherred (talk) 14:12, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Support - ha ha, funny one  benzband  ( talk ) 19:52, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:55, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/April 7, 2012 (per consensus) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:30, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

→ The only thing that we know is that we know nothing — and that is the highest flight of human wisdom.
From War and Peace by Leo Tolstoy. So true :).-- GoP <sub style="color:#8EE5EE;">T <sup style="color:#8EE5EE;">C <sub style="color:#8EE5EE;">N 12:13, 11 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Support  ·Add§hore·  <sup style="color:black;">T alk T o M e ! 13:44, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Support. Good links. Surely Socrates held a similar notion as well. NewbyG  ( talk) 08:21, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Support - benzband  ( talk ) 19:52, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:59, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/April 6, 2012 (per consensus) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:28, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

→ The vocation of every man and woman is to serve other people.
From What Is To Be Done? by Leo Tolstoy -- GoP <sub style="color:#8EE5EE;">T <sup style="color:#8EE5EE;">C <sub style="color:#8EE5EE;">N 12:13, 11 March 2012 (UTC)


 * support - It is a nice motto and an acceptable link, but the source is a propaganda pamphlet which helped inspire the Russian revolution. I wonder if there could have been some way out of Russia's social ills which did not involve so much violence and death.  Fartherred (talk) 04:47, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Support - i shall not judge, only deplore; however i personally think there could have been such a way. benzband  ( talk ) 19:52, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:02, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/April 5, 2012 (per consensus) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:27, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

→ Revolution is a successful effort to get rid of a bad government and set up a worse.
My favourite Wilde quote. Not sure if we had this already.-- GoP <sub style="color:#8EE5EE;">T <sup style="color:#8EE5EE;">C <sub style="color:#8EE5EE;">N 11:51, 11 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Support There are sooo many quotes attributed to Oscar Wilde, most very clever; these links work I think. NewbyG  ( talk) 08:17, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Support - I like the links — Smtchahal (talk &#124; contribs) 13:15, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Support - Maybe the WP:POINT link could be replaced, but i couldn't say what with. Other than that [very minor detail], great! benzband  ( talk ) 19:52, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Weak Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:11, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/April 4, 2012 (per consensus) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:25, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

→ Life is a banquet and most poor suckers are starving to death!
Auntie Mame (1958) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:38, 7 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Support - benzband  ( talk ) 17:55, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Support Shriram (talk) 03:05, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Support Good links NewbyG  ( talk) 08:10, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/April 3, 2012 (per consensus) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:22, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

→ You never listen to a word i said
Public Image by PiL. "You never listen to word that I said You only seen me for the clothes I wear Or did the interest go so much deeper It must have been the colour of my hair"

Lyrics of first verse as on the internet (i believe they are not 100% accurate). benzband ( talk ) 18:13, 28 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:24, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Neutral Support I didn't understand. Understood-- Ankit Maity <sup style="color:magenta;">Talk <sub style="color:green;">Contribs 07:47, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Take a look at WP:TLDR ("too long, didn't read") : this concerns those users that write big long posts that nobody reads (i shall give no names ;) and then understandably feel they are being ignored. benzband  ( talk ) 16:54, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Support User:Pedant (talk) 17:42, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/April 2, 2012 (per consensus) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:19, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

→ I could've been somebody, instead of a bum, which is what I am.
On the Waterfront (1954) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 12:22, 28 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Support - benzband  ( talk ) 18:13, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Reviewed, found quite acceptable at this time. NewbyG  ( talk) 15:52, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/April 1, 2012 (moved [by pjoef to Motto of the day/May 1, 2012) (per consensus; 3 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:18, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

===→ Now when the primrose makes a splendid show, And lilies face the March-winds in full blow.=== William Wordsworth (1770–1850), "Poor Robin" –p joe f (talk • contribs) 12:19, 28 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Support - benzband  ( talk ) 18:13, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh, yes! Support User:Pedant (talk) 17:14, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/March 31, 2012 (per consensus; 3 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:17, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

→ Time and change can do no more.
On me, on me Time and change can heap no more! The painful past with blighting grief Hath left my heart a withered leaf. Time and change can do no more. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:18, 21 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Support - WP:Deadline would also work, but then it's more often used… benzband  ( talk ) 19:38, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Reviewed, and found quite acceptable at this time. NewbyG  ( talk) 18:32, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/March 30, 2012 (per consensus; 3 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:14, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

===→ So now I'm home investigatin' myself! Hope I don't find out too much . . . Good God!=== In Talkin' John Birch Paranoid Blues. Ha ha. — benzband  ( talk ) 17:59, 16 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:39, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Reviewed, found quite acceptable at this time. NewbyG  ( talk) 15:52, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
 * support User:Pedant (talk) 17:11, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/March 29, 2012 (per consensus) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:13, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

→ I just lost all m' picnic spirit.
In Talkin' Bear Mountain Picnic Massacre Blues. This one may be kind of depressing for people who get it. — benzband  ( talk ) 17:59, 16 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:39, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Support - Thereen (talk) 08:13, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/March 28, 2012 (per consensus; 3 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:11, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

===→ Send danger from the east unto the west, So honor cross it from the north to south.=== William Shakespeare (1564–1616), Henry IV, Part 1, Act I, Scene III (1598) "'Send danger from the east unto the west, So honor cross it from the north to south,' And let them grapple: O! the blood more stirs To rouse a lion than to start a hare!""Saw" it on a 2-part TV series about an unquiet reign somewhere at the beginning of the 15th century :). What a "History" :)! –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:30, 7 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Support - supposing they meet in the middle? x) benzband  ( talk ) 18:52, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment ~ yes, in the middle of Shakespeare's tetralogy, Richard II→Henry IV (I&II)→Henry V, in the middle of Great Britain (excluding Scotland), and in the middle of 1403 (^____^). –p joe f (talk • contribs) 10:00, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
 * It seems Henry IV is the "danger" then (Lancaster - west // Northumberland - north). And he wins…  ~  benzband  ( talk ) 14:03, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Support - Good one. NewbyG  ( talk) 23:32, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/March 27, 2012 (per consensus; 3 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:06, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

===→ Aegrescit medendo ("The cure is worse than the disease") === Publius Vergilius Maro (a.k.a. Virgil or Vergil) (15 October 70 BC, Andes, Cisalpine Gaul, Roman Republic – 21 September 19 BC, Brundisium, Apulia, Roman Empire), Aeneid (c.a. 19 BC) 12:46 (as "Aegrescitque medendo"). –p joe f (talk • contribs) 10:17, 24 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment - The cure to what?  benzband  ( talk ) 18:57, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose - The cure to gaming the system is worse than the act of gaming the system? Are you sure about that?  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 05:07, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Reply: "'haudquaquam dictis uiolentia Turni flectitur; exsuperat magis aegrescitque medendo' ('In no way is the violence of Turnus altered by the king's words; it mounts higher and grows sick with the attempt at healing.') —Aeneid (12:46)"I was referring to an editor who uses the policies but in bad faith. I can understand and realize that this is not easily not easily interpretable. Maybe, we could use something like: WP:3RR, WP:WAR, .... –p joe f (talk • contribs) 15:59, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

(not enough discussion) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:03, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose Although it is true we need the cure,don't we.-- Ankit Maity <sup style="color:magenta;">Talk <sub style="color:green;">Contribs 07:22, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Reviewed, found quite acceptable at this time. NewbyG  ( talk) 15:52, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

(no consensus; 2 in support and 2 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:05, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

→ So long as the state exists there is no freedom. When there is freedom, there will be no state.
Vladimir Ilyich Lenin (22 April 1870, Simbirsk, Russian Empire - 21 January 1924, Gorki, Russian SFSR, Soviet Union), The State and Revolution (1917) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:30, 24 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Support - I perceived it differently until i clicked :P benzband  ( talk ) 18:57, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Suggestion - What about limiting the links to the words "the state", "freedom", "freedom", and "state"? It seems like it would make more sense that way.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 05:04, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
 * ✅ –p joe f (talk • contribs) 16:02, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

(not enough discussion) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:59, 7 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Oppose - The freedom to own any propety and the freedom to buy and sell comes from the state. If there were no state, one would only have one's own claim to own any property.  A band of brigands could take what they wanted.  If there is an organized resistance to banditry, this is the state and those who control the resistance are the government.  The motto is simply false.  Fartherred (talk) 20:15, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I think he was talking about "pure communism". –p joe f (talk • contribs) 12:13, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
 * comment - This was not about pure communism which has been seen in some Christian monastic groups among others. In pure communism the members voluntarily renounce ownership of anything and become dependent upon the community to provide food shelter and clothing as the community sees fit.  They give up the freedom to own, buy, and sell in exchange for the freedom to serve a higher purpose, such as prayer or translating manuscripts, without the distractions of owning things.  Pure communism has never resulted from violent overthrow of a state and those espousing true communism have in general not supported such violence.  The motto quoted is false and inflammatory.  The purpose of Wikipedia has nothing to do with eliminating the state.  While editors contribute to Wikipedia for their work to be redistributed freely, they often write other things for which they are paid.  Many of our editors own securities or businesses and have a stake in avoiding communism.  Lenin and Marx before him intended to incite the violent taking of material goods from the owners of capital.  There is still a communist party in Russia which subscribes to Lenin's quotations.  Wikipedia should not involve itself in this conflict.  Fartherred (talk) 02:08, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * "In a higher phase of communist society, after the enslaving subordination of the individual to the division of labor, and with it also the antithesis between mental and physical labor, has vanished, after labor has become not only a livelihood but life's prime want, after the productive forces have increased with the all-round development of the individual, and all the springs of co-operative wealth flow more abundantly—only then can the narrow horizon of bourgeois law be left behind in its entirety and society inscribe on its banners: From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs!"

- Karl Marx

Only now can we fully appreciate the correctness of Engels' remarks mercilessly ridiculing the absurdity of combining the words “freedom” and “state”. 'So long as the state exists there is no freedom. When there is freedom, there will be no state.' The economic basis for the complete withering away of the state is such a high state of development of communism at which the antithesis between mental and physical labor disappears, at which there consequently disappears one of the principal sources of modern social inequality--a source, moreover, which cannot on any account be removed immediately by the mere conversion of the means of production into public property, by the mere expropriation of the capitalists. —Vladimir Ilyich Lenin (1870 – 1924), The State and Revolution', Chapter V: The Economic Basis of the Withering Away of the State: 4. The Higher Phase of Communist Society. This is just for completeness, but it is a still open topic, and who knows when it will be completed/achieved. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:57, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Wait, wait! What about anarcho-pacifism? benzband  ( talk ) 20:01, 12 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Reviewed, found quite acceptable at this time. NewbyG  ( talk) 15:52, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Support as listed, with links to WP:OWN and WP:CONS. Oppose without the links, per WP:soapbox User:Pedant (talk) 17:02, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment - the links are the whole point. I doubt this nom would get anywhere if it lacked them :-) benzband  ( talk ) 19:57, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/March 26, 2012 (per consensus; 4 in support and 1 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:04, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

→ The degree of civilization in a society can be judged by entering its prisons.
From The House of the Dead by Fyodor Dostoevsky. Not bad :)-- GoP <sub style="color:#8EE5EE;">T <sup style="color:#8EE5EE;">C <sub style="color:#8EE5EE;">N 18:15, 10 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Support - acceptable Fartherred (talk) 03:12, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Support ~ good one. I changed the arrow link to point to The House of the Dead and moved the motto/sentence within the header. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:35, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Support - benzband  ( talk ) 10:12, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/March 25, 2012 (per consensus) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 12:36, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

===→ Always contented with his life, and with his dinner, and his wife.=== Alexander Pushkin's Eugene Onegin, Ch. 1, st. 12. -- GoP <sub style="color:#8EE5EE;">T <sup style="color:#8EE5EE;">C <sub style="color:#8EE5EE;">N 18:07, 10 March 2012 (UTC)  Always contented with his life, and with his dinner, and his wife.


 * Support - amusing Fartherred (talk) 03:34, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Support + note: I changed the arrow link to point to Eugene Onegin and moved the 2-line motto within the header. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:40, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Support - benzband  ( talk ) 10:12, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/March 24, 2012 (per consensus) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 12:34, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

→ The world's a bubble, and the life of man less than a span.
Francis Bacon (english philosopher, etc.) benzband  ( talk ) 17:55, 7 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Reviewed, found quite acceptable, from an authoritative and well-spoken source. NewbyG  ( talk) 15:52, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Support --Thereen (talk) 08:09, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 10:53, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/March 23, 2012 (per consensus) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 12:27, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

===→ Certainly, in taking revenge, a man is but even with his enemy; but in passing it over, he is superior; for it is a prince's part to pardon.=== Bacon's Essays (1625). benzband ( talk ) 17:55, 7 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Support - Excellent links. NewbyG  ( talk) 00:07, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Support- Thereen (talk) 08:10, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 10:54, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/March 22, 2012 (per consensus) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 12:25, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

→ We cannot conceive of any end or limit to the world, but always as of necessity it occurs to us that there is something beyond…
Bacon in Novum Organum. benzband ( talk ) 17:55, 7 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Support - maybe the best of the present crop of Bacon aphorisms.  NewbyG  ( talk) 00:04, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Support Shriram (talk) 03:02, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 10:54, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/March 21, 2012 (per consensus) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 12:23, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

===→ Aut imiteris aut oderis ("Either imitate it or hate it") === Seneca, Epistulae morales ad Lucilium, 7:7. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 12:32, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Support - benzband  ( talk ) 18:13, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Support - Excellent. NewbyG  ( talk) 23:51, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Support - Nice one. — Smtchahal (talk &#124; contribs) 05:20, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/March 20, 2012 (per consensus) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 12:17, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

===→ Everyone’s worried about stopping terrorism. Well, there’s really an easy way: Stop participating in it.===
 * benzband ( talk ) 18:11, 15 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Oppose - The third one is weird, and the fourth seems unconnected.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 04:16, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
 * IMHO, the third link isn't "weird". For the fourth and last link, I suggest: Stop it, WP:FORGIVE, or WP:DROPIT. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 10:24, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose -- Ankit Maity <sup style="color:magenta;">Talk <sub style="color:green;">Contribs 07:24, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

(in favour of Edit 1) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 12:02, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

====→ Everyone’s worried about stopping terrorism. Well, there’s really an easy way: Stop participating in it.====
 * Edit 1, per p joe f. benzband  ( talk ) 16:54, 17 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Oppose - The third link has nothing to do with vandalism; it just happens to have a page title that fits with the quote. It doesn't have anything to do with the other links. The third is about dispute resolution, whiel the second is about vandalism. Pick one topic and make it consistent.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 23:09, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment : I get it. I've changed the last two links without bothering to make an other version as you're quite right about this. benzband  ( talk ) 22:32, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Support - Yay!  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 22:35, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Support ~ It is quite perfect, right now. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:04, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south...... having large explosions for 5 years 13:25, 6 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Support No problems with it other than it originating from Chomsky.  Enigma <sup style="color:#FFA500;">msg  15:27, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Support -- Ankit Maity <sup style="color:magenta;">Talk <sub style="color:green;">Contribs 07:24, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Support No problems with it at this time. NewbyG  ( talk) 23:28, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/March 19, 2012 (per consensus) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 12:02, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

→ I said that.
Again Talking World War III Blues, comes just after the above nom. (see quote) — benzband  ( talk ) 17:59, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/March 18, 2012 -- Ankit Maity <sup style="color:magenta;">Talk <sub style="color:green;">Contribs 16:38, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:40, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Support - BlowingTopHat (talk) 23:57, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Support Love it.-- Ankit Maity <sup style="color:magenta;">Talk <sub style="color:green;">Contribs 07:20, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

→ I'll let you be in my dreams if I can be in yours.
In Talkin' World War III Blues. Excerpt: ""Half of the people can be part right all of the time, and some of the people can be all right part of the time, but all of the people can't be all right all of the time." I think Abraham Lincoln said that. "I'll let you be in my dreams if I can be in yours," I said that."

— benzband  ( talk ) 17:59, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/March 17, 2012 -- Ankit Maity <sup style="color:magenta;">Talk <sub style="color:green;">Contribs 16:38, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:40, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Support - BlowingTopHat (talk) 23:57, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Support -- Ankit Maity <sup style="color:magenta;">Talk <sub style="color:green;">Contribs 07:19, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

→ The greatest medicine is a true friend.
Sir William Temple, 1st Baronet (25 April 1628, London, England – 27 January 1699, Moor Park, Surrey, England). –p joe f (talk • contribs) 10:30, 24 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Support - benzband  ( talk ) 18:57, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Suggestion - I think it would make more sense removing the link from the word "the".  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 05:10, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
 * ✅ –p joe f (talk • contribs) 10:34, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

(not enough discussion) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:04, 7 February 2012 (UTC) ✅ for Motto of the day/March 16, 2012 -- Ankit Maity <sup style="color:magenta;">Talk <sub style="color:green;">Contribs 16:38, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Support. Would be nice if the page linked to the word 'true friend' would link to a page more related to the words but it will do  ·Add§hore·  <sup style="color:black;">T alk T o M e ! 17:46, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Support -- Ankit Maity <sup style="color:magenta;">Talk <sub style="color:green;">Contribs 07:21, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

→ The greatest medicine is a true friend.
Edit 1 with WP:TWINKLE as the "''true friend". –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:20, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose - i prefer the original :) benzband  ( talk ) 18:03, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Very weak support -- Ankit Maity <sup style="color:magenta;">Talk <sub style="color:green;">Contribs 07:21, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

→ The greatest medicine is a true friend.
Edit 2 with WP:FRIENDS as the "''true friend". –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:20, 7 March 2012 (UTC) as other versions of a successful motto. -- Ankit Maity <sup style="color:magenta;">Talk <sub style="color:green;">Contribs 16:42, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Weak support - i prefer the original :) benzband  ( talk ) 18:03, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Weak Support -- Ankit Maity <sup style="color:magenta;">Talk <sub style="color:green;">Contribs 07:21, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

===→ Age quod agis ("Do what you are doing") === I nominated this Latin phrase in 2009, but it was rejected. Should I try again with this? I used a generic "WP:WRITERS" here, "WP:Bold" was used in 2009, and "WP:CTW" should be a good alternative link. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:14, 7 February 2012 (UTC) ✅ for Motto of the day/March 15, 2012 Ankit Maity <sup style="color:magenta;">Talk <sub style="color:green;">Contribs  07:15, 8 March 2012 (UTC) ===→ Face front you got the future shining Like a piece of gold But I swear as we get closer It look more like a lump of coal=== Written by Joe Strummer - benzband  ( talk ) 19:25, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Support - for CTW as well. benzband  ( talk ) 18:52, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Support - BlowingTopHat (talk) 23:59, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Support  Enigma <sup style="color:#FFA500;">msg  15:28, 7 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Oppose - It seems a bit akward... I have no suggestions on how to fix it, though.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 03:32, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree with Hi 8 7 8, it does not convey a good message. How about using something related to "vested" users/contributors? –p joe f (talk • contribs) 10:30, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok i get the message. See further up i have proposed a different excerpt from the song. benzband  ( talk ) 16:16, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south...... having large explosions for 5 years 12:58, 6 February 2012 (UTC) Thrown out - WP:SNOW, with 0 for and 4 against. -- Ankit Maity <sup style="color:magenta;">Talk <sub style="color:green;">Contribs 07:09, 8 March 2012 (UTC) -- Ankit Maity <sup style="color:magenta;">Talk <sub style="color:green;">Contribs 07:09, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose - As it has been said that there is another version further up this page could this not be 'closed'? Also I don't like the working.  ·Add§hore·  <sup style="color:black;">T alk T o M e ! 17:42, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose/Retrieve Indeed, the other version was even accepted a little while back. This nomination just doesn't work :S ~ benzband  ( talk ) 17:49, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Can any user close these discussions?  ·Add§hore·  <sup style="color:black;">T alk T o M e ! 17:54, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Technically only those who volonteer to be "Decision makers/Archivists" (listed on the participants page, please feel free to join). Recently active are: p joe f, Hi 8 7 8  and Simply south. I don't close discussions as i am prone to mistakes/errors in judgment. This said, i think anyone can close a discussion provided it is consensus (which i pretty much think this is ;)  benzband  ( talk ) 18:06, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose Simply.-- Ankit Maity <sup style="color:magenta;">Talk <sub style="color:green;">Contribs 07:51, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

===→ A sweet content Passing all wisdom or its fairest flower.=== Orion (1843) by Richard Henry Horne (1803–1884). –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:03, 21 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Support - benzband  ( talk ) 19:35, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Support  ·Add§hore·  <sup style="color:black;">T alk T o M e ! 17:47, 6 March 2012 (UTC)


 * ✅ - for March 14, 2012. All supported.  Rcsprinter  (orate)  16:50, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

→ Help, help, I'm being repressed!
See also : WP:Minority opinions. benzband ( talk ) 18:13, 28 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:23, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Support  ·Add§hore·  <sup style="color:black;">T alk T o M e ! 17:49, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Support - BlowingTopHat (talk) 23:53, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Support But the i should be I. (fixed by pjoef) That's a grammatical error.-- Ankit Maity <sup style="color:magenta;">Talk <sub style="color:green;">Contribs  07:44, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/March 13, 2012 (per consensus) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:30, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

→ You only see me for the clothes I wear
See above quote. benzband ( talk ) 18:13, 28 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:24, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Support  ·Add§hore·  <sup style="color:black;">T alk T o M e ! 17:48, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Support - BlowingTopHat (talk) 23:55, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Support i→I and otherwise (fixed by pjoef) it's awesome.-- Ankit Maity <sup style="color:magenta;">Talk <sub style="color:green;">Contribs  07:49, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/March 12, 2012 (per consensus) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:28, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

→ We'll always have Paris.
Casablanca (1942) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:23, 21 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Support - benzband  ( talk ) 19:40, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Support  ·Add§hore·  <sup style="color:black;">T alk T o M e ! 17:48, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Support - BlowingTopHat (talk) 23:56, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/March 11, 2012 (per consensus; 4 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:25, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

→ The kind of garage band who should be returned to the garage immediately.
From : The Clash are the kind of garage band who should be returned to the garage immediately, preferably with the engine running, which would undoubtedly be more of a loss to their friends and families than to either rock or roll. → more at Garageland (song). — benzband  ( talk ) 15:48, 13 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:46, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Support - Love it  ·Add§hore·  <sup style="color:black;">T alk T o M e ! 17:47, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Support - BlowingTopHat (talk) 23:58, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/March 10, 2012 (per consensus; 4 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:24, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

→ You're in suspension
From the chorus of Liar by the Sex Pistols -as in suspension (punishment). benzband ( talk ) 21:11, 17 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Oppose - I think it's a bit too boring.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 23:16, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Although i see what you mean, i cannot help but point out your violation of WP:BORING! :-) benzband  ( talk ) 22:38, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, well... That doesn't apply here! Take that!  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 23:12, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Huh, your arguments are pretty lame compared with the big guns  benzband  ( talk ) 19:03, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Support ~ Why not... but copyvio permitting. (^____^) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:40, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south...... having large explosions for 5 years 13:25, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Support - Works for me.  MMS  2013  14:23, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Support - I like it although I think it would be good if something could be added to this.  ·Add§hore·  <sup style="color:black;">T alk T o M e ! 17:44, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/March 9, 2012 (per consensus; 4 in support and 1 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:12, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

→ Don't judge a book just by the cover.
In EMI by the Sex Pistols. "Dont' judge a book just by the cover Unless you cover just another And blind acceptance is a sign Of stupid fools who stand in line"

— benzband  ( talk ) 18:13, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/March 8, 2012 Ankit Maity <sup style="color:magenta;">Talk <sub style="color:green;">Contribs  07:59, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:24, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Support  ·Add§hore·  <sup style="color:black;">T alk T o M e ! 17:49, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Support - BlowingTopHat (talk) 23:54, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Support - Anubhab91 (talk) 07:15, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Support Believe me it's old.-- Ankit Maity <sup style="color:magenta;">Talk <sub style="color:green;">Contribs 07:45, 7 March 2012 (UTC)