Wikipedia:Motto of the day/Nominations/Archive 43

→ April fool, n. The March fool with another month added to his folly.
For April Fool's! From The Devil's Dictionary by Ambrose Bierce (1911). Apologies if it's hard to understand :/. Bulldog73 talk da contribs  go rando 03:28, 21 March 2012 (UTC)


 * That's a cute one! VanessaLylithe (talk) 14:22, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, funny ^^ benzband  ( talk ) 20:46, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 13:06, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/April 1, 2012 (per consensus; 4 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 13:06, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Normal nominations
===→ I came in here for a special offer A guarantee personality=== The Clash are Lost in the Supermarket. benzband ( talk ) 17:05, 11 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:30, 15 May 2012 (UTC)


 * ✅ Moved here.  Rcsprinter  (babble)  16:31, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/July 11, 2012 (per consensus; 3 in support and 0 opposed) ~ done by  Rcsprinter  (babble)  16:31, 31 May 2012 (UTC) and logged by  benzband  ( talk ) 14:16, 9 June 2012 (UTC) and corrected by Simply south...... always punctual, no matter how late for just 6 years

→ Possessions never meant anything to me.
NOFX in "Linoleum". benzband ( talk ) 15:29, 20 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Support Bulldog73 talk da contribs  go rando 20:04, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:02, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/July 10, 2012 (per consensus; 3 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:47, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

===→ There's a war going down between my brothers tonight I dont want no war going down, going down tonight.=== Operation Ivy in "Unity" (stop that waaar!) benzband  ( talk ) 20:07, 16 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Support Bulldog73 talk da contribs  go rando 20:04, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Strong support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:04, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/July 9, 2012 (per consensus; 3 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:45, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

===→ Cito enim arescit lacrima ("Soon indeed is dried the tear") === Marcus Tullius Cicero (106 BC – 43 BC), De Partitione Oratoria (c.a. 57 BC). (WP:DEADLINE, WP:CHILL, and WP:WIP are good alternatives) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 10:37, 15 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Support benzband  ( talk ) 16:53, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Support Either edit, but I prefer Edit 1. Bulldog73 talk da contribs  go rando 20:04, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

(in favour of Edit 1) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:44, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

====→ Cito enim arescit lacrima, præsertim in alienis malis ("Soon indeed is dried the tear, especially when it is shed for the misfortunes of others") ==== Edit 1 (full sentence and different wlink) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 10:37, 15 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Support benzband  ( talk ) 16:53, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Support Either edit, but I prefer Edit 1. Bulldog73 talk da contribs  go rando 20:04, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/July 8, 2012 (per consensus; 3 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:44, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

→ All of a sudden, she's playing Hamlet's mother!
All About Eve (1950), written and directed by Joseph L. Mankiewicz, based on "The Wisdom of Eve" (1946) by Mary Orr. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:55, 15 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Support benzband  ( talk ) 16:53, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Support Bulldog73 talk da contribs  go rando 20:04, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/July 7, 2012 (per consensus; 3 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:42, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

===→ Tho' losses and crosses Be lessons right severe, There's wit there, ye'll get there, Ye'll find nae otherwhere.=== Robert Burns (1759–1796), Epistle to Davie, A Brother Poet (1785) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:51, 15 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Support benzband  ( talk ) 16:53, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Support Bulldog73 talk da contribs  go rando 20:04, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/July 6, 2012 (per consensus; 3 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:40, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

→ We haven't got the money, so we've got to think!
Ernest Rutherford in Bulletin of the Institute of Physics (1962). benzband ( talk ) 13:07, 14 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Support ("We haven't got the money, so we've got to think!") could be an alternative) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:33, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Support Either this quote or the alternative Pjoef suggested Bulldog73 talk da contribs  go rando 20:04, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/July 5, 2012 (per consensus; 3 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:39, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

→ Remember what we are doing here.
Should the arrow link to User:Jimbo Wales or Jimbo Wales? benzband ( talk ) 13:07, 14 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Where it links is fine. Support as a bit of self-promotion never hurt anyone. Simply south...... coming and going for just 6 years 14:56, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:36, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Support Bulldog73 talk da contribs  go rando 20:04, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/July 4, 2012 (per consensus; 4 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:37, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

→ Eureka!
Archimedes has just found the answer. benzband ( talk ) 17:43, 13 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:38, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Support It was Douglas Adams that "invented" the answer... Bulldog73 talk da contribs  go rando 20:04, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/July 3, 2012 (per consensus; 3 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:36, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

→ Another fine mess you've gotten me into.
Laurel & Hardy in Another Fine Mess. benzband ( talk ) 17:43, 13 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:39, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Support Bulldog73 talk da contribs  go rando 20:04, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/July 2, 2012 (per consensus; 3 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:34, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

→ I find then, that i am but a bad anatomist.
Wolfe Tone, a few days before death, having tried to cut his throat in prison but sliced his windpipe instead. benzband ( talk ) 17:43, 13 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:40, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Support Bulldog73 talk da contribs  go rando 20:04, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/July 1, 2012 (per consensus; 3 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:33, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

→ A desperate disease requires a dangerous remedy.
Guy Fawkes (although his remedy can easily be imagined as more pyrotechnical than a simple block). benzband ( talk ) 17:43, 13 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Support Bulldog73 talk da contribs  go rando 20:04, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:32, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/June 30, 2012 (per consensus; 3 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:32, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

→ How about 'Cloudcuckooland'?
Aristophanes in The Birds (on naming the capital of the birds). benzband ( talk ) 17:43, 13 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:41, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Support Bulldog73 talk da contribs  go rando 20:04, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/June 29, 2012 (per consensus; 3 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:29, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

→ Haste is blind and improvident.
Titus Livius Patavinus. benzband ( talk ) 17:02, 13 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Support ("Omnia non properanti clara certaque erunt; festinatio improvida est, et cæca" / "All things will be clear and distinct to the man who does not hurry; haste is blind and improvident.") –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:50, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Support Bulldog73 talk da contribs  go rando 20:04, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/June 28, 2012 (per consensus; 3 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:28, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

===→ I have met them at close of day Coming with vivid faces From counter or desk among grey Eighteenth-century houses. I have passed with a nod of the head Or polite meaningless words.=== W. B. Yeats in Easter, 1916. benzband ( talk ) 17:02, 13 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:04, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Support Bulldog73 talk da contribs  go rando 20:04, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/June 26, 2012 Motto of the day/July 28, 2012 (per consensus; 3 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:25, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

===→ All changed, changed utterly: A terrible beauty is born.=== See above. benzband ( talk ) 17:02, 13 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:05, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Support Bulldog73 talk da contribs  go rando 20:04, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/June 26, 2012 (per consensus; 3 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:23, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

→ Take rest; a field that has rested gives a bountiful crop.
An other one from Ovid :D benzband  ( talk ) 18:03, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

(in favour of Edit 1) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:27, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

→ Take rest; a field that has rested gives a bountiful crop.
Edit 1. benzband ( talk ) 18:03, 2 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Support Edit 1 - Bulldog73 talk da contribs  go rando 04:06, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Support (edit 1) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:15, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

✅ (Edit 1) for Motto of the day/June 25, 2012 (per consensus; 3 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:27, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

===→ Causa latet, vis est notissima ("The cause is hidden, but the result is well known.") === Publius Ovidius Naso (Ovid) (43 BC – AD 17/18), Metamorphoses (AD 8), IV, 287 –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:56, 1 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Support - benzband  ( talk ) 10:40, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Support Bulldog73 talk da contribs  go rando 02:04, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/June 24, 2012 (per consensus; 3 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:24, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

===→ Strange! that a harp of thousand strings Should keep in tune so long.=== Isaac Watts (1674–1748), Hymns and Spiritual Songs, Book II, "Hymn 19". –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:56, 1 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Support - benzband  ( talk ) 10:40, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Support Bulldog73 talk da contribs  go rando 02:04, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/June 23, 2012 (per consensus; 3 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:23, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

→ We find the defendants incredibly guilty.
The Producers (1968) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:16, 1 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Support - benzband  ( talk ) 10:40, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Support Bulldog73 talk da contribs  go rando 02:04, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/June 22, 2012 (per consensus; 3 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:21, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

===→ Know when to speake; for many times it brings Danger to give the best advice to kings.=== "Caution in Councell", Hesperides (1648) by Robert Herrick (1591–1674). –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:10, 24 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Support Bulldog73 talk da contribs  go rando 14:21, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Support benzband  ( talk ) 17:24, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/June 18, 2012 (per consensus; 3 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:20, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

→ What if they do not believe me or listen to me and say, 'The Lord did not appear to you'?
Moses. benzband ( talk ) 15:47, 20 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Weak Support Pretty straightforward. Bulldog73 talk da contribs  go rando 03:43, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:29, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

✅ per weak consensus. Simply south...... coming and going for just 6 years 00:13, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

→ A person often meets his destiny on the road he took to avoid it.
Jean de La Fontaine. benzband ( talk ) 15:47, 20 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Support Bulldog73 talk da contribs  go rando 03:43, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:39, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

✅

===→ This world of ours… must avoid becoming a community of dreadful fear and hate, and be, instead, a proud confederation of mutual trust and respect.=== Dwight D. Eisenhower. benzband ( talk ) 15:47, 20 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Support Bulldog73 talk da contribs  go rando 03:43, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:39, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

✅ per consensus. Simply south...... coming and going for just 6 years

→ If youth knew, if age could.
Henri Estienne (1528 or 1531-1598). –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:19, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Support - benzband  ( talk ) 17:49, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south...... going on editing sprees for just 6 years (as of 28/03/2006) 20:35, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

✅ per weak consensus. Simply south...... coming and going for just 6 years 00:13, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

→ Our virtues are most frequently but vices in disguise.
"Nos vertus ne sont, le plus souvent, que de vices déguisés." Réflexions ou sentences et maximes morales ("Reflections; or Sentences and Moral Maxims") or Maximes (1665–1678), Epigraph, François de La Rochefoucauld (1613–1680). –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:09, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Support - benzband  ( talk ) 17:49, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I do not see how the motto has any relation to the link, and the motto of the 5th of May already links to WP:DIVA. Fartherred (talk) 00:04, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south...... going on editing sprees for just 6 years (as of 28/03/2006) 20:35, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south...... coming and going for just 6 years 00:13, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

→ When people are divided, the only solution is agreement.
John Hume (1937—), politician (Nobel Peace Prize along with Trimble). benzband ( talk ) 10:26, 17 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 10:28, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Support Of course. Bulldog73 talk  da contribs  go rando 14:16, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

✅ per consensus. Simply south...... coming and going for just 6 years 00:13, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

→ Tell me and I forget, teach me and I may remember, involve me and I learn.
Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790). benzband ( talk ) 09:33, 17 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 10:31, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Support Bulldog73 talk da contribs  go rando 14:08, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

✅ per consensus. Simply south...... coming and going for just 6 years 00:13, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

→ Faith is taking the first step even when you don't see the whole staircase.
Martin Luther King, Jr. (1929-1968) Bulldog73 talk da contribs  go rando 06:10, 17 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 06:48, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Support - benzband  ( talk ) 09:15, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

✅ per consensus. Simply south...... coming and going for just 6 years 00:13, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

→ Beauty is in the eye of the beer-holder.
99 Bottles of Beer… ♬ benzband  ( talk ) 10:18, 14 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 06:59, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Support - Humourous. Simply south...... going on editing sprees for just 6 years (as of 28/03/2006) 10:13, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

✅ per consensus. Simply south...... coming and going for just 6 years 00:13, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

→ Who you gonna believe, me or your own eyes?
Chico Marx (1887–1961) Bulldog73 talk da contribs  go rando 03:42, 14 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Support - But isn't this spoken by Chico Marx in Duck Soup (1933)? (per IMDB, Marx-brothers.org, and more if you search on Google :) benzband  ( talk ) 08:02, 14 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks, this has been changed to reflect your comments. :) Bulldog73 talk da contribs  go rando 21:06, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Yup yup that's perfect! benzband  ( talk ) 08:55, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:00, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

✅ per consensus. Simply south...... coming and going for just 6 years 00:13, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

→ A truly great man will neither trample on a worm nor sneak to an emperor.
Benjamin Franklin (1706–1790) in Poor Richard's Almanack. Bulldog73 talk da contribs  go rando 02:33, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Support - benzband  ( talk ) 09:44, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
 * isn't it "nor seek to become an emperor"? Also i have changed the arrow link so it points directly to the Almanack. :) benzband  ( talk ) 09:44, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
 * No, it's not "seek to become an emperor." Bulldog73 talk da contribs  go rando 21:28, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
 * *facepalm* my mistake benzband  ( talk ) 07:55, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:04, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

✅ per consensus. Simply south...... coming and going for just 6 years 00:13, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

→ Oh, no, it wasn't the airplanes. It was Beauty killed the Beast.
Robert Armstrong as Carl Denham in King Kong (1933). Bulldog73 talk da contribs  go rando 08:04, 12 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Support - benzband  ( talk ) 15:39, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:06, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

✅ per consensus. Simply south...... coming and going for just 6 years 00:13, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

→ Of course you have to support the troops.
Neil Young (1945—). (This is sarcasm, i.e. not to be taken seriously.) benzband  ( talk ) 09:46, 10 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Weak Support Eh, I'm not going for the sarcasm idea. Bulldog73 talk da contribs  go rando 03:01, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok see my nom a bit further up using this link ("i'm a little intelectual" :) benzband  ( talk ) 15:39, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

in favour of edit 1. Simply south...... coming and going for just 6 years 00:13, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

→ Of course you have to support the troops.
Edit 1. benzband ( talk ) 09:44, 13 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Support Much better. Bulldog73 talk da contribs  go rando 03:15, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Support (edit 1) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:07, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

✅ per consensus. Simply south...... coming and going for just 6 years 00:13, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

===→ Caedimus, inque vicem praebemus crura sagittis ("We shoot, and in turn expose our legs to arrows") === Aulus Persius Flaccus (34–62), Satires 4:42. Also quoted as "We shoot, and in turn present a target for the barbs of others", depicting an enthusiastic controversialist. It is often used by writers in relation to publishing contexts as "We lash. OR We strike others, in censuring and publishing their faults." The last part, "to expose our legs to arrows", means to present ourself as a target, or, more accurately, it refers to the gladiator that while he shoots an arrow, he moves up his shield leaving his legs vulnerable. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:23, 10 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Support - benzband  ( talk ) 09:46, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

in favour of shoot 4. Simply south...... coming and going for just 6 years 00:13, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

====→ Caedimus, inque vicem praebemus crura sagittis ("We shoot, and in turn expose our legs to arrows") ==== Shoot 2. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:23, 10 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Weak Support - Do not feed the trolls. :/ benzband  ( talk ) 09:46, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

in favour of shoot 4. Simply south...... coming and going for just 6 years 00:13, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

====→ Caedimus, inque vicem praebemus crura sagittis ("We shoot, and in turn expose our legs to arrows") ==== Shoot 3. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:23, 10 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Oppose - i don't get it (and the others seem pretty good already :) benzband  ( talk ) 09:46, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

in favour of shoot 4. Simply south...... coming and going for just 6 years 00:13, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

====→ Caedimus, inque vicem praebemus crura sagittis ("We shoot, and in turn expose our legs to arrows") ====

Shoot 4 ~ wotcher i wanna have a go too  benzband  ( talk ) 09:46, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Support, my favourite together with the original. Hey [Be]n Nice Sho[o]t (Filter[ed]) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:15, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Support - out of the others I think this one fits best and besides, the link is hardly used. Simply south...... going on editing sprees for just 6 years (as of 28/03/2006) 15:23, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I've been using it a lot recently  benzband  ( talk ) 15:36, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

✅ per consensus. Simply south...... coming and going for just 6 years 00:13, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

→ You owe me money!
The Hustler (1961) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 13:14, 27 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Support - [How much?] benzband  ( talk ) 17:41, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * 100k or more ~ hahahaha –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:17, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank goodness you didn't specify what currency ~ i can just pay you Zimbabwean dollars (300 000 000 000 000 ZW$ to 1 US$ in 2009) :P benzband  ( talk ) 10:53, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south...... going on editing sprees for just 6 years (as of 28/03/2006) 22:20, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

✅ per weak consensus. Simply south...... coming and going for just 6 years 00:13, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

===→ Try and join the scene but you're too obscene, You're looking like a big, fat, pink, baked bean; How did you figure that you'd be any use, when all you're gonna get is my abuse?=== The Sex Pistols in Satellite. benzband ( talk ) 16:13, 24 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 11:32, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose - too harsh - Fartherred (talk) 04:30, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment - it's intended to be, so that established editors reflect on what attitude they should have toward new ones (don't bite, etc). It's a kind of satire. benzband  ( talk ) 17:32, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south...... going on editing sprees for just 6 years (as of 28/03/2006) 22:20, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south...... coming and going for just 6 years 00:13, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

→ If one is to be called a liar, one may as well make an effort to deserve the name.
Duh. benzband ( talk ) 20:36, 23 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment - The danger with ironic advice is that it might be taken literally. It is not that people would put the literal interpretation into practice, but that they would think it is a bad motto.  Fartherred (talk) 22:40, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Hmm,, i get your point. I'll just explain why i did this though: based on the fact that the essay "liar liar pants on fire" says among other things don't go around calling other editors liars (but try to be constructive); in the quote the person accused ("one") is apparently not a liar, but may become one as a consequence of being called a liar. Thus, this is a warning that by calling editors liars you may make them so (as well as causing disrupt and bad feeling). The alternative to simply calling them a liar is provided on the linked page. :-) benzband  ( talk ) 15:44, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

-no consensus. Simply south...... going on editing sprees for just 6 years (as of 28/03/2006) 22:20, 9 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:19, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

✅ per weak consensus. Simply south...... coming and going for just 6 years 00:13, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

→ Welcome to Costco, I love you.
Idiocracy (2006) by Mike Judge. benzband ( talk ) 19:05, 3 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 06:46, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose I don't think we should use the names of companies here. Bulldog73 talk da contribs  go rando 05:16, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Placed in it's original context, i don't think this line is very promoting of Costco :P benzband  ( talk ) 10:11, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose - With Bulldog I think using company names is bad policy, and I do not think it adds anything to the motto. Fartherred (talk) 23:42, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south...... going on editing sprees for just 6 years (as of 28/03/2006) 20:35, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

(no consensus; 2 in support and 2 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:04, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

→ You think Einstein walked around thinkin' everyone was a bunch of dumb shits?
See above. benzband ( talk ) 19:05, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment - To answer this i shall quote Einstein himself: "It's not that I'm so smart, it's just that I stay with problems longer" (see also Dunning-Kruger effect) :P benzband  ( talk ) 19:22, 3 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 06:47, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I think we can do better. Fartherred (talk) 22:37, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose I simply don't like anything about it.  Enigma msg  19:52, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Really?  benzband  ( talk ) 20:00, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete Too many words.  Enigma msg  20:58, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south...... going on editing sprees for just 6 years (as of 28/03/2006) 20:35, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

(no consensus; 2 in support and 2 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:03, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

===→ I came in here for a special offer A guarantee personality=== The Clash are Lost in the Supermarket. benzband ( talk ) 17:05, 11 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:30, 15 May 2012 (UTC)


 * ✅ Moved here.  Rcsprinter  (babble)  16:31, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/July 11, 2012 (per consensus; 3 in support and 0 opposed) ~ done by  Rcsprinter  (babble)  16:31, 31 May 2012 (UTC) and logged by  benzband  ( talk ) 14:16, 9 June 2012 (UTC) and corrected by Simply south...... always punctual, no matter how late for just 6 years

→ Possessions never meant anything to me.
NOFX in "Linoleum". benzband ( talk ) 15:29, 20 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Support Bulldog73 talk da contribs  go rando 20:04, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:02, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/July 10, 2012 (per consensus; 3 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:47, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

===→ There's a war going down between my brothers tonight I dont want no war going down, going down tonight.=== Operation Ivy in "Unity" (stop that waaar!) benzband  ( talk ) 20:07, 16 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Support Bulldog73 talk da contribs  go rando 20:04, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Strong support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:04, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/July 9, 2012 (per consensus; 3 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:45, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

===→ Cito enim arescit lacrima ("Soon indeed is dried the tear") === Marcus Tullius Cicero (106 BC – 43 BC), De Partitione Oratoria (c.a. 57 BC). (WP:DEADLINE, WP:CHILL, and WP:WIP are good alternatives) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 10:37, 15 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Support benzband  ( talk ) 16:53, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Support Either edit, but I prefer Edit 1. Bulldog73 talk da contribs  go rando 20:04, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

(in favour of Edit 1) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:44, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

====→ Cito enim arescit lacrima, præsertim in alienis malis ("Soon indeed is dried the tear, especially when it is shed for the misfortunes of others") ==== Edit 1 (full sentence and different wlink) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 10:37, 15 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Support benzband  ( talk ) 16:53, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Support Either edit, but I prefer Edit 1. Bulldog73 talk da contribs  go rando 20:04, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/July 8, 2012 (per consensus; 3 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:44, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

→ All of a sudden, she's playing Hamlet's mother!
All About Eve (1950), written and directed by Joseph L. Mankiewicz, based on "The Wisdom of Eve" (1946) by Mary Orr. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:55, 15 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Support benzband  ( talk ) 16:53, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Support Bulldog73 talk da contribs  go rando 20:04, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/July 7, 2012 (per consensus; 3 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:42, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

===→ Tho' losses and crosses Be lessons right severe, There's wit there, ye'll get there, Ye'll find nae otherwhere.=== Robert Burns (1759–1796), Epistle to Davie, A Brother Poet (1785) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:51, 15 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Support benzband  ( talk ) 16:53, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Support Bulldog73 talk da contribs  go rando 20:04, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/July 6, 2012 (per consensus; 3 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:40, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

→ We haven't got the money, so we've got to think!
Ernest Rutherford in Bulletin of the Institute of Physics (1962). benzband ( talk ) 13:07, 14 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Support ("We haven't got the money, so we've got to think!") could be an alternative) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:33, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Support Either this quote or the alternative Pjoef suggested Bulldog73 talk da contribs  go rando 20:04, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/July 5, 2012 (per consensus; 3 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:39, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

→ Remember what we are doing here.
Should the arrow link to User:Jimbo Wales or Jimbo Wales? benzband ( talk ) 13:07, 14 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Where it links is fine. Support as a bit of self-promotion never hurt anyone. Simply south...... coming and going for just 6 years 14:56, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:36, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Support Bulldog73 talk da contribs  go rando 20:04, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/July 4, 2012 (per consensus; 4 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:37, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

→ Eureka!
Archimedes has just found the answer. benzband ( talk ) 17:43, 13 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:38, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Support It was Douglas Adams that "invented" the answer... Bulldog73 talk da contribs  go rando 20:04, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/July 3, 2012 (per consensus; 3 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:36, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

→ Another fine mess you've gotten me into.
Laurel & Hardy in Another Fine Mess. benzband ( talk ) 17:43, 13 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:39, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Support Bulldog73 talk da contribs  go rando 20:04, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/July 2, 2012 (per consensus; 3 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:34, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

→ I find then, that i am but a bad anatomist.
Wolfe Tone, a few days before death, having tried to cut his throat in prison but sliced his windpipe instead. benzband ( talk ) 17:43, 13 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:40, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Support Bulldog73 talk da contribs  go rando 20:04, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/July 1, 2012 (per consensus; 3 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:33, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

→ A desperate disease requires a dangerous remedy.
Guy Fawkes (although his remedy can easily be imagined as more pyrotechnical than a simple block). benzband ( talk ) 17:43, 13 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Support Bulldog73 talk da contribs  go rando 20:04, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:32, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/June 30, 2012 (per consensus; 3 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:32, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

→ How about 'Cloudcuckooland'?
Aristophanes in The Birds (on naming the capital of the birds). benzband ( talk ) 17:43, 13 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:41, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Support Bulldog73 talk da contribs  go rando 20:04, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/June 29, 2012 (per consensus; 3 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:29, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

→ Haste is blind and improvident.
Titus Livius Patavinus. benzband ( talk ) 17:02, 13 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Support ("Omnia non properanti clara certaque erunt; festinatio improvida est, et cæca" / "All things will be clear and distinct to the man who does not hurry; haste is blind and improvident.") –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:50, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Support Bulldog73 talk da contribs  go rando 20:04, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/June 28, 2012 (per consensus; 3 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:28, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

===→ I have met them at close of day Coming with vivid faces From counter or desk among grey Eighteenth-century houses. I have passed with a nod of the head Or polite meaningless words.=== W. B. Yeats in Easter, 1916. benzband ( talk ) 17:02, 13 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:04, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Support Bulldog73 talk da contribs  go rando 20:04, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/June 26, 2012 Motto of the day/July 28, 2012 (per consensus; 3 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:25, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

===→ All changed, changed utterly: A terrible beauty is born.=== See above. benzband ( talk ) 17:02, 13 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:05, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Support Bulldog73 talk da contribs  go rando 20:04, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/June 26, 2012 (per consensus; 3 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:23, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

→ Take rest; a field that has rested gives a bountiful crop.
An other one from Ovid :D benzband  ( talk ) 18:03, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

(in favour of Edit 1) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:27, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

→ Take rest; a field that has rested gives a bountiful crop.
Edit 1. benzband ( talk ) 18:03, 2 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Support Edit 1 - Bulldog73 talk da contribs  go rando 04:06, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Support (edit 1) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:15, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

✅ (Edit 1) for Motto of the day/June 25, 2012 (per consensus; 3 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:27, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

===→ Causa latet, vis est notissima ("The cause is hidden, but the result is well known.") === Publius Ovidius Naso (Ovid) (43 BC – AD 17/18), Metamorphoses (AD 8), IV, 287 –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:56, 1 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Support - benzband  ( talk ) 10:40, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Support Bulldog73 talk da contribs  go rando 02:04, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/June 24, 2012 (per consensus; 3 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:24, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

===→ Strange! that a harp of thousand strings Should keep in tune so long.=== Isaac Watts (1674–1748), Hymns and Spiritual Songs, Book II, "Hymn 19". –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:56, 1 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Support - benzband  ( talk ) 10:40, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Support Bulldog73 talk da contribs  go rando 02:04, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/June 23, 2012 (per consensus; 3 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:23, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

→ We find the defendants incredibly guilty.
The Producers (1968) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:16, 1 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Support - benzband  ( talk ) 10:40, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Support Bulldog73 talk da contribs  go rando 02:04, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/June 22, 2012 (per consensus; 3 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:21, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

===→ Know when to speake; for many times it brings Danger to give the best advice to kings.=== "Caution in Councell", Hesperides (1648) by Robert Herrick (1591–1674). –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:10, 24 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Support Bulldog73 talk da contribs  go rando 14:21, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Support benzband  ( talk ) 17:24, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/June 18, 2012 (per consensus; 3 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:20, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

→ What if they do not believe me or listen to me and say, 'The Lord did not appear to you'?
Moses. benzband ( talk ) 15:47, 20 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Weak Support Pretty straightforward. Bulldog73 talk da contribs  go rando 03:43, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:29, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

✅ per weak consensus. Simply south...... coming and going for just 6 years 00:13, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

→ A person often meets his destiny on the road he took to avoid it.
Jean de La Fontaine. benzband ( talk ) 15:47, 20 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Support Bulldog73 talk da contribs  go rando 03:43, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:39, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

✅

===→ This world of ours… must avoid becoming a community of dreadful fear and hate, and be, instead, a proud confederation of mutual trust and respect.=== Dwight D. Eisenhower. benzband ( talk ) 15:47, 20 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Support Bulldog73 talk da contribs  go rando 03:43, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:39, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

✅ per consensus. Simply south...... coming and going for just 6 years

→ If youth knew, if age could.
Henri Estienne (1528 or 1531-1598). –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:19, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Support - benzband  ( talk ) 17:49, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south...... going on editing sprees for just 6 years (as of 28/03/2006) 20:35, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

✅ per weak consensus. Simply south...... coming and going for just 6 years 00:13, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

→ Our virtues are most frequently but vices in disguise.
"Nos vertus ne sont, le plus souvent, que de vices déguisés." Réflexions ou sentences et maximes morales ("Reflections; or Sentences and Moral Maxims") or Maximes (1665–1678), Epigraph, François de La Rochefoucauld (1613–1680). –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:09, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Support - benzband  ( talk ) 17:49, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I do not see how the motto has any relation to the link, and the motto of the 5th of May already links to WP:DIVA. Fartherred (talk) 00:04, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south...... going on editing sprees for just 6 years (as of 28/03/2006) 20:35, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south...... coming and going for just 6 years 00:13, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

→ When people are divided, the only solution is agreement.
John Hume (1937—), politician (Nobel Peace Prize along with Trimble). benzband ( talk ) 10:26, 17 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 10:28, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Support Of course. Bulldog73 talk  da contribs  go rando 14:16, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

✅ per consensus. Simply south...... coming and going for just 6 years 00:13, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

→ Tell me and I forget, teach me and I may remember, involve me and I learn.
Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790). benzband ( talk ) 09:33, 17 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 10:31, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Support Bulldog73 talk da contribs  go rando 14:08, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

✅ per consensus. Simply south...... coming and going for just 6 years 00:13, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

→ Faith is taking the first step even when you don't see the whole staircase.
Martin Luther King, Jr. (1929-1968) Bulldog73 talk da contribs  go rando 06:10, 17 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 06:48, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Support - benzband  ( talk ) 09:15, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

✅ per consensus. Simply south...... coming and going for just 6 years 00:13, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

→ Beauty is in the eye of the beer-holder.
99 Bottles of Beer… ♬ benzband  ( talk ) 10:18, 14 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 06:59, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Support - Humourous. Simply south...... going on editing sprees for just 6 years (as of 28/03/2006) 10:13, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

✅ per consensus. Simply south...... coming and going for just 6 years 00:13, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

→ Who you gonna believe, me or your own eyes?
Chico Marx (1887–1961) Bulldog73 talk da contribs  go rando 03:42, 14 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Support - But isn't this spoken by Chico Marx in Duck Soup (1933)? (per IMDB, Marx-brothers.org, and more if you search on Google :) benzband  ( talk ) 08:02, 14 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks, this has been changed to reflect your comments. :) Bulldog73 talk da contribs  go rando 21:06, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Yup yup that's perfect! benzband  ( talk ) 08:55, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:00, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

✅ per consensus. Simply south...... coming and going for just 6 years 00:13, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

→ A truly great man will neither trample on a worm nor sneak to an emperor.
Benjamin Franklin (1706–1790) in Poor Richard's Almanack. Bulldog73 talk da contribs  go rando 02:33, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Support - benzband  ( talk ) 09:44, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
 * isn't it "nor seek to become an emperor"? Also i have changed the arrow link so it points directly to the Almanack. :) benzband  ( talk ) 09:44, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
 * No, it's not "seek to become an emperor." Bulldog73 talk da contribs  go rando 21:28, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
 * *facepalm* my mistake benzband  ( talk ) 07:55, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:04, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

✅ per consensus. Simply south...... coming and going for just 6 years 00:13, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

→ Oh, no, it wasn't the airplanes. It was Beauty killed the Beast.
Robert Armstrong as Carl Denham in King Kong (1933). Bulldog73 talk da contribs  go rando 08:04, 12 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Support - benzband  ( talk ) 15:39, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:06, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

✅ per consensus. Simply south...... coming and going for just 6 years 00:13, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

→ Of course you have to support the troops.
Neil Young (1945—). (This is sarcasm, i.e. not to be taken seriously.) benzband  ( talk ) 09:46, 10 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Weak Support Eh, I'm not going for the sarcasm idea. Bulldog73 talk da contribs  go rando 03:01, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok see my nom a bit further up using this link ("i'm a little intelectual" :) benzband  ( talk ) 15:39, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

in favour of edit 1. Simply south...... coming and going for just 6 years 00:13, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

→ Of course you have to support the troops.
Edit 1. benzband ( talk ) 09:44, 13 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Support Much better. Bulldog73 talk da contribs  go rando 03:15, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Support (edit 1) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:07, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

✅ per consensus. Simply south...... coming and going for just 6 years 00:13, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

===→ Caedimus, inque vicem praebemus crura sagittis ("We shoot, and in turn expose our legs to arrows") === Aulus Persius Flaccus (34–62), Satires 4:42. Also quoted as "We shoot, and in turn present a target for the barbs of others", depicting an enthusiastic controversialist. It is often used by writers in relation to publishing contexts as "We lash. OR We strike others, in censuring and publishing their faults." The last part, "to expose our legs to arrows", means to present ourself as a target, or, more accurately, it refers to the gladiator that while he shoots an arrow, he moves up his shield leaving his legs vulnerable. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:23, 10 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Support - benzband  ( talk ) 09:46, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

in favour of shoot 4. Simply south...... coming and going for just 6 years 00:13, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

====→ Caedimus, inque vicem praebemus crura sagittis ("We shoot, and in turn expose our legs to arrows") ==== Shoot 2. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:23, 10 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Weak Support - Do not feed the trolls. :/ benzband  ( talk ) 09:46, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

in favour of shoot 4. Simply south...... coming and going for just 6 years 00:13, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

====→ Caedimus, inque vicem praebemus crura sagittis ("We shoot, and in turn expose our legs to arrows") ==== Shoot 3. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:23, 10 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Oppose - i don't get it (and the others seem pretty good already :) benzband  ( talk ) 09:46, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

in favour of shoot 4. Simply south...... coming and going for just 6 years 00:13, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

====→ Caedimus, inque vicem praebemus crura sagittis ("We shoot, and in turn expose our legs to arrows") ====

Shoot 4 ~ wotcher i wanna have a go too  benzband  ( talk ) 09:46, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Support, my favourite together with the original. Hey [Be]n Nice Sho[o]t (Filter[ed]) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:15, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Support - out of the others I think this one fits best and besides, the link is hardly used. Simply south...... going on editing sprees for just 6 years (as of 28/03/2006) 15:23, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I've been using it a lot recently  benzband  ( talk ) 15:36, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

✅ per consensus. Simply south...... coming and going for just 6 years 00:13, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

→ You owe me money!
The Hustler (1961) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 13:14, 27 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Support - [How much?] benzband  ( talk ) 17:41, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * 100k or more ~ hahahaha –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:17, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank goodness you didn't specify what currency ~ i can just pay you Zimbabwean dollars (300 000 000 000 000 ZW$ to 1 US$ in 2009) :P benzband  ( talk ) 10:53, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south...... going on editing sprees for just 6 years (as of 28/03/2006) 22:20, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

✅ per weak consensus. Simply south...... coming and going for just 6 years 00:13, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

===→ Try and join the scene but you're too obscene, You're looking like a big, fat, pink, baked bean; How did you figure that you'd be any use, when all you're gonna get is my abuse?=== The Sex Pistols in Satellite. benzband ( talk ) 16:13, 24 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 11:32, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose - too harsh - Fartherred (talk) 04:30, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment - it's intended to be, so that established editors reflect on what attitude they should have toward new ones (don't bite, etc). It's a kind of satire. benzband  ( talk ) 17:32, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south...... going on editing sprees for just 6 years (as of 28/03/2006) 22:20, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south...... coming and going for just 6 years 00:13, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

→ If one is to be called a liar, one may as well make an effort to deserve the name.
Duh. benzband ( talk ) 20:36, 23 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment - The danger with ironic advice is that it might be taken literally. It is not that people would put the literal interpretation into practice, but that they would think it is a bad motto.  Fartherred (talk) 22:40, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Hmm,, i get your point. I'll just explain why i did this though: based on the fact that the essay "liar liar pants on fire" says among other things don't go around calling other editors liars (but try to be constructive); in the quote the person accused ("one") is apparently not a liar, but may become one as a consequence of being called a liar. Thus, this is a warning that by calling editors liars you may make them so (as well as causing disrupt and bad feeling). The alternative to simply calling them a liar is provided on the linked page. :-) benzband  ( talk ) 15:44, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

-no consensus. Simply south...... going on editing sprees for just 6 years (as of 28/03/2006) 22:20, 9 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:19, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

✅ per weak consensus. Simply south...... coming and going for just 6 years 00:13, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

→ Welcome to Costco, I love you.
Idiocracy (2006) by Mike Judge. benzband ( talk ) 19:05, 3 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 06:46, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose I don't think we should use the names of companies here. Bulldog73 talk da contribs  go rando 05:16, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Placed in it's original context, i don't think this line is very promoting of Costco :P benzband  ( talk ) 10:11, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose - With Bulldog I think using company names is bad policy, and I do not think it adds anything to the motto. Fartherred (talk) 23:42, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south...... going on editing sprees for just 6 years (as of 28/03/2006) 20:35, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

(no consensus; 2 in support and 2 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:04, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

→ You think Einstein walked around thinkin' everyone was a bunch of dumb shits?
See above. benzband ( talk ) 19:05, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment - To answer this i shall quote Einstein himself: "It's not that I'm so smart, it's just that I stay with problems longer" (see also Dunning-Kruger effect) :P benzband  ( talk ) 19:22, 3 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 06:47, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I think we can do better. Fartherred (talk) 22:37, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose I simply don't like anything about it.  Enigma msg  19:52, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Really?  benzband  ( talk ) 20:00, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete Too many words.  Enigma msg  20:58, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south...... going on editing sprees for just 6 years (as of 28/03/2006) 20:35, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

(no consensus; 2 in support and 2 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:03, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

→ "You fight like a dairy farmer" "How appropriate. You fight like a cow."
Simply south...... going on editing sprees for just 6 years (as of 28/03/2006) 10:35, 17 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Support - benzband  ( talk ) 15:06, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Support I'll take your word for it that the links go along with the message, although I'm not completely clear.  Enigma msg  20:59, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:41, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/June 5, 2012 (per consensus; 4 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:50, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Generally, if a door is locked, it will not open unless you have the key
Good old showers. Simply south...... going on editing sprees for just 6 years (as of 28/03/2006) 15:34, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
 * [Weak] Support - [prefer edit 1 :] benzband  ( talk ) 17:49, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

in favour of edit 1. Simply south...... going on editing sprees for just 6 years (as of 28/03/2006) 20:43, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

Generally, if a door is locked, it will not open unless you have the key
Edit 1 (in 3-part) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:51, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Support - benzband  ( talk ) 08:10, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Support - Fartherred (talk) 00:19, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

✅ per consensus. Simply south...... going on editing sprees for just 6 years (as of 28/03/2006) 20:43, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

===→ Bis dat qui cito dat ("He gives twice who gives promptly") === Publilius Syrus. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:27, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Support - benzband  ( talk ) 17:49, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Support - Fartherred (talk) 00:13, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

✅ per consensus. Simply south...... going on editing sprees for just 6 years (as of 28/03/2006) 20:43, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

→ Our deeds are sometimes better than our thoughts
Festus: "A Village Feast" by Philip James Bailey (1816-1902). –p joe f (talk • contribs) 11:45, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Support - benzband  ( talk ) 16:29, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

(not enough discussion) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:15, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Support - Fartherred (talk) 23:51, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Support  Enigma msg  19:59, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

✅ per consensus. Simply south...... going on editing sprees for just 6 years (as of 28/03/2006) 20:43, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

===→ Listen to me, mister. You're my knight in shining armor. Don't you forget it. You're going to get back on that horse, and I'm going to be right behind you, holding on tight, and away we're gonna go, go, go!=== On Golden Pond (1981). –p joe f (talk • contribs) 11:23, 20 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Support - benzband  ( talk ) 16:29, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

(not enough discussion) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:12, 4 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Weak Support I don't really get the links. Bulldog73 talk da contribs  go rando 19:57, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

✅ per weak consensus. Simply south...... going on editing sprees for just 6 years (as of 28/03/2006) 20:43, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

→ Truth is mighty and will prevail. There is nothing wrong with this, except that it ain't so.
Mark Twain (1835-1910). benzband ( talk ) 19:22, 3 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 06:45, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Support - Fartherred (talk) 23:48, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Support  Enigma msg  19:59, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

✅ per consensus. Simply south...... going on editing sprees for just 6 years (as of 28/03/2006) 20:43, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

→ One must be a little foolish, if one does not want to be even more stupid.
Michel de Montaigne. Missed April Fools' Day though… :D benzband  ( talk ) 17:56, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

in favour of edit 1. Simply south...... going on editing sprees for just 6 years (as of 28/03/2006) 10:06, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

→ One must be a little foolish, if one does not want to be even more stupid.
Edit 1. benzband ( talk ) 17:56, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

Maxim 6: "La passion fait souvent un fou du plus habile homme, et rend souvent les plus sots habiles." ("Passion often renders the most clever man a fool, and even sometimes renders the most foolish man clever.") Maxim 208: "Il y a des gens niais qui se connaissent et qui emploient habilement leur niaiserie." ("There are foolish people who recognize their foolishness and use it skillfully.")Support both versions as normal or special nominations. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:00, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Support Either edit depending on if we're willing to wait until 2013 :) &#0149;martyx&#0149; tk ct gy 09:42, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
 * If we are prepared to wait i'll move this nom (the original that is) to the Special Nominations page. benzband  ( talk ) 19:23, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
 * François de La Rochefoucauld.
 * Support - If we want to reuse mottos, it should be as an alternative to not choosing any for that day. We have archives going back to 2006 to use before using one motto twice, once as a special nomination, within two years.  So for this motto we should choose one form or another and I pick edit one. Fartherred (talk) 22:38, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: I've bold-ed each comment so it appears clear[er] to the closing person who's supporting what. benzband  ( talk ) 08:39, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

✅ per consensus. Simply south...... going on editing sprees for just 6 years (as of 28/03/2006) 10:06, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Don't pull kitty's tail. Don't dump junk articles on Wikipedia.

 * It may be difficult to have a good motto refer to WP:RRRSAITYRRRSNC but here is an attempt. If this is too subtle for Wikipedians and needs to be explained, it should be rejected.  Fartherred (talk) 04:24, 2 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Support - Oppose in favor of edit 1. See also above nominations ~ also attempts at linking to RRRSAITYRRRSNC. benzband  ( talk ) 17:56, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I wonder if the first one should link to WP:PKA? Simply south...... going on editing sprees for just 6 years (as of 28/03/2006) 09:59, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I'd certainly support that  benzband  ( talk ) 17:06, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

in favour of edit 1. Simply south...... going on editing sprees for just 6 years (as of 28/03/2006) 10:06, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Don't pull kitty's tail. Don't dump junk articles on Wikipedia.
Edit 1 per Simply south. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:02, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Support - benzband  ( talk ) 19:28, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

✅ per consensus. Simply south...... going on editing sprees for just 6 years (as of 28/03/2006) 10:06, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

→ Certainly, for us who understand life, figures are a matter of indifference.
Antoine de Saint-Exupéry (1900-1944) in The Little Prince. benzband ( talk ) 17:41, 17 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Weak Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:26, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

- not enough discussion. Simply south...... going on editing sprees for just 6 years (as of 28/03/2006) 20:20, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

✅ per weak consensus. Simply south...... going on editing sprees for just 6 years (as of 28/03/2006) 10:06, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

===→ I can't think of a better way to spend the night. Than speeding around underneath the yellow lights.=== The Clash in London's Burning. benzband ( talk ) 17:41, 17 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Support[er of The Clash] :D ~ What are the "yellow lights"? WP:MOS? WP:PNA? Cleanup? Category:Wikipedia backlog? –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:34, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

✅ per weak consensus. Simply south...... going on editing sprees for just 6 years (as of 28/03/2006) 10:06, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

====→ I can't think of a better way to spend the night. Than speeding around underneath the yellow lights.==== Edit 1, per p joe f. benzband ( talk ) 20:42, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

in favour of original. Simply south...... going on editing sprees for just 6 years (as of 28/03/2006) 10:06, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

====→ I can't think of a better way to spend the night. Than speeding around underneath the yellow lights.==== Edit 2, with a link playing on the idea of light. benzband ( talk ) 20:42, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south...... going on editing sprees for just 6 years (as of 28/03/2006) 20:20, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

in favour of original. Simply south...... going on editing sprees for just 6 years (as of 28/03/2006) 10:06, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

→ All the commandments.
Jesus Christ (7–2 BC to 30–36 AD), the central figure of Christianity; also regarded as an important prophet of God in Islam. benzband ( talk ) 17:03, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

Are you referring to the Gospel According to Mark (12:28)? "And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him, Which is the first commandment of all? And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these." –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:44, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Hum... not really a motto (imho), but the link works fine.
 * Yes, that's the one… benzband  ( talk ) 16:29, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south...... going on editing sprees for just 6 years (as of 28/03/2006) 20:20, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south...... going on editing sprees for just 6 years (as of 28/03/2006) 10:06, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

→ The undiscovered country from whose bourn no traveler returns.
William Shakespeare (1564-1616), english poet and playwright in Hamlet. benzband ( talk ) 17:03, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

To be, or not to be— that is the question: Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune Or to take arms against a sea of troubles, And by opposing end them. To die— to sleep— No more; and by a sleep to say we end The heartache, and the thousand natural shocks That flesh is heir to. 'Tis a consummation Devoutly to be wish'd. To die— to sleep. To sleep— perchance to dream: ay, there's the rub! For in that sleep of death what dreams may come When we have shuffled off this mortal coil, Must give us pause. There's the respect That makes calamity of so long life. For who would bear the whips and scorns of time, Th' oppressor's wrong, the proud man's contumely, The pangs of despis'd love, the law's delay, The insolence of office, and the spurns That patient merit of th' unworthy takes, When he himself might his quietus make With a bare bodkin? Who would these fardels bear, To grunt and sweat under a weary life, But that the dread of something after death— The undiscover'd country, from whose bourn No traveller returns— puzzles the will, And makes us rather bear those ills we have Than fly to others that we know not of? Thus conscience does make cowards of us all, And thus the native hue of resolution Is sicklied o'er with the pale cast of thought, And enterprises of great pith and moment With this regard their currents turn awry And lose the name of action.— Soft you now! The fair Ophelia!— Nymph, in thy orisons Be all my sins rememb'red. He (Hamlet) asks himself whether he should accept, fight, or give up with his life. "Be all my sins rememb'red!!!" :D –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:23, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Hum... :) this is about the fear of death and the refuse to take any action during "our" lifetime, and "the undiscover'd country" is the land of the dead. ([The Tragedy of ] Hamlet, Prince of Denmark, Act III, Scene I: Elsinore. A Room in the Castle, Hamlet's famous "To be, or not to be" soliloquy):
 * Ok, i suppose people do leave Wikipedia… benzband  ( talk ) 16:29, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
 * IMHO, WP:WP (C) alone does not work (even if it is a nice link, as it is, it is saying that Wikipedia is the land of the dead ~ I could be wrong, of course). How about adding something like WP:RIP to the last part? → "→ The undiscovered country from whose bourn no traveler returns." –p joe f (talk • contribs) 11:45, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

→ The undiscovered country from whose bourn no traveler returns.
Edit 1, per p joe f. benzband ( talk ) 15:49, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south...... going on editing sprees for just 6 years (as of 28/03/2006) 20:20, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose - implies that everyone's life is Wikipedia, until we die. Simply south...... going on editing sprees for just 6 years (as of 28/03/2006) 10:18, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south...... going on editing sprees for just 6 years (as of 28/03/2006) 10:06, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

→ No price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself.
Friedrich Nietzsche (1844-1900), german philosopher, poet and composer. benzband ( talk ) 15:43, 17 March 2012 (UTC)


 * 100,000 €/$/£, or less? Hahaha. Anyway, I totally disagree with this very-very stupid sentence (very-very few have the opportunity to try to have this "privilege", which is not a privilege but the contrary because everything is connected/linked, try to turn off the Sun, and only a very-very small part of them is able to reach this "goal", which is not a goal), but I support the motto because of the link. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:45, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Quite right, no price should be paid as this is no privilege, but a human right. But in the context of Wikipedia i just meant that WP does everything it can to stay independent. benzband  ( talk ) 16:29, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south...... going on editing sprees for just 6 years (as of 28/03/2006) 20:20, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south...... going on editing sprees for just 6 years (as of 28/03/2006) 10:06, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

→ Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack.
"If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack."

- Winston Churchill (1874-1965), british politician (notably PM during WWII).

This quote could also be used with regard to the WP user-warning system, which is based on levels (uw-v1, uw3, uw-block…) benzband  ( talk ) 15:43, 17 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment: He (Winston Churchill) is saying to hit the point three times = to disrupt Wikipedia to illustrate a point, which is not a good message to convey, but as a separate/standalone sentence it could work. What about using WP:3RR? –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:54, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose. - Too ambiguous. Fartherred (talk) 02:55, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

→ Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack.
Edit 1, per p joe f [slightly modified]. benzband ( talk ) 16:29, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south...... going on editing sprees for just 6 years (as of 28/03/2006) 20:20, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south...... going on editing sprees for just 6 years (as of 28/03/2006) 10:06, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

→ You only live once, but if you do it right, once is enough.
Mae West (1893–1980) Bulldog73 talk da contribs  go rando 03:44, 11 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Support - benzband  ( talk ) 12:19, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Support Simply south...... going on editing sprees for just 6 years (as of 28/03/2006) 12:27, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Support  ·Add§hore·  T alk T o M e ! 11:03, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:07, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/May 26, 2012 (per WP:SNOW) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:49, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

→ That's the second biggest monkey head I've ever seen!
Insult comeback 1 Simply south...... going on editing sprees for just 6 years (as of 28/03/2006) 19:58, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Support - benzband  ( talk ) 08:10, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

(in favour of Insult comeback 3) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:47, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

→ That's the second biggest monkey head I've ever seen!
Insult comeback 2 Simply south...... going on editing sprees for just 6 years (as of 28/03/2006) 19:58, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose - i don't get it :/ benzband  ( talk ) 09:47, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

(in favour of Insult comeback 3) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:47, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

→ That's the second biggest monkey head I've ever seen!
Insult comeback 3 - thinking about it I think this suits it best. Simply south...... going on editing sprees for just 6 years (as of 28/03/2006) 22:16, 9 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Support (Ic3) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:34, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Support - benzband  ( talk ) 08:10, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Support  ·Add§hore·  T alk T o M e ! 11:04, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/May 24, 2012 (per consensus; 4 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:46, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

→ So I got that going for me, which is nice.
Caddyshack 1980. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:12, 4 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Support - benzband  ( talk ) 17:49, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Support  ·Add§hore·  T alk T o M e ! 11:05, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Support - Fartherred (talk) 00:09, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/May 23, 2012 (per consensus; 4 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:45, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

→ Stamp out tendentious editing.

 * Fartherred (talk) 21:43, 16 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Oppose It doesn't look very interesting. Bulldog73 talk da contribs  go rando 05:01, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose - Was this phrase created specifically for the link? In any case i would prefer to see an actual quote (such as the ones further down the page) rather than this self-cited nom, as it would be more interesting and we happen to have several at hand. benzband  ( talk ) 15:43, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
 * comment - Yes. I made up the motto to be ironic humorous advice in how to deal with tendentious editing. I should have linked "stamp" to WP:COOL and "tendentious editing" separately to WP:Tendentious editing.  I cannot turn what is not a quote into a quote so I would be satisfied if the Rodney King quote below gets approved as a motto.  Editors certainly have the right to prefer quotations for mottos.  Fartherred (talk) 02:33, 19 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Support even if it is more a warning than a motto. Stop instead of "Stamp out" and an exclamation mark "!" could also work. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 10:24, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south...... going on editing sprees for just 6 years (as of 28/03/2006) 20:20, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

Due to lack of consensus.-- LAA Fan '' 20:00, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

The slower and more carefully I go, and if I keep my cool, it seems that  the quicker I get there!

 * Submitted, hope people like the links. Please do a fourth-level header if an improvement comes to mind.  NewbyG  ( talk) 03:36, 14 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment So you're saying that if users keep a cool head, they will turn from eventualists to inclusionists? Bulldog73 talk da contribs  go rando 05:06, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for commenting; I may have been a bit cryptic here, so to answer your question: I consider myself both an inclusionist and an eventualist, what I was trying to say here is something like "keep a cool head and you will achieve your goals". NewbyG  ( talk) 06:44, 17 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment - once explained, i see what you mean; but this may be a bit confusing to the random motto-reader. Maybe a tweaking of the links could make this work better? benzband  ( talk ) 15:43, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south...... going on editing sprees for just 6 years (as of 28/03/2006) 20:20, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

Due to lack of interest/consensus.-- LAA Fan '' 19:58, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

===→ If you would hit the mark, you must aim a little above it: Every arrow that flies feels the pull of the earth.=== Henry Wadsworth Longfellow (1807-1882) Bulldog73 talk da contribs  go rando 05:43, 7 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Support - benzband  ( talk ) 10:09, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Strong Support (super[b]) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:48, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/May 22, 2012 (per consensus; 3 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:02, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

→ Being an intellectual creates a lot of questions and no answers.
Janis Joplin (1943-1970). benzband ( talk ) 19:22, 3 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 06:45, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Support Good! Bulldog73 talk da contribs  go rando 00:04, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/May 21, 2012 (per consensus; 3 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:01, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

→ Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and consciencious stupidity.
Martin Luther King, Jr. benzband ( talk ) 17:56, 2 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 06:47, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Support I have a dream today! Bulldog73 talk da contribs  go rando 05:17, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Most people have them during the night…  benzband  ( talk ) 10:12, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/May 20, 2012 (per consensus; 3 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:59, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

→ Everything goes there
Excerpt : "Siberian: [after audition] Bullshit.

Igor: How come?

Siberian: No commercial potential. Go America, everything goes there."

Of course i could have used WP:BAND ("the worst rock band in the world") but it's right below. — benzband  ( talk ) 17:59, 16 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:53, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

(not enough discussion) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:10, 13 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Support <span style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;padding:1px;">&#0149;martyx&#0149; tk ct gy 13:53, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

(FOR THE LAST TIME; not enough discussion) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 12:29, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

✅ per consensus. Simply south...... going on editing sprees for just 6 years (as of 28/03/2006) 22:26, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

→ When God created Republicans, he gave up on everything else.
Frank Zappa on Thicke of the Night (1984). benzband ( talk ) 10:42, 11 March 2012 (UTC)


 * oppose - Mocking references to God and republicans is not the purpose of Wikipedia. The spirit of the real silly article link should be applied to the real silly motto which should not be accepted.  Fartherred (talk) 02:21, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * comment - i neither wish to "mock" or offend you (or anybody) with this this motto, and i do not think/assertain doing so is "the purpose of Wikipedia" :-) Motds should be taken on a different level than the simple phrase, in which the author expresses his POV of something being ridiculous and (jokingly) that shouldn't have been created. Now, the link[s], is [are] key to understanding: thus, here, the ridiculous thing is not Republicans as you may have thought, but a preposterous article, and the creator is actually a Wikipedian unaware [or not?] of the guideline. This quote is intended as humour, just as is the linked essay; the quote may (or may not) make you smile; in any case i for one thought it was hilarious (of course, i am probably biased on that last comment for being an atheist and leftist ;) benzband  ( talk ) 19:13, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * comment - You write: "the ridiculous thing is...a preposterous article" but there is no relation between the motto and a preposterous article other than the link. You might as well write: "Which Backstreet Boy is Gay", link it to WP:RRRSAITYRRRSNC and write I did not mean to offend, the whole point is the link.  Still there might be Backstreet Boy fan or a homosexual who is offended (I read often enough in the paper about homosexuals being offended).  If the link is the whole thing write: Eat an apple every day.  But since you wrote what you wrote I believe you intended to make fun of God and Republicans with the excuse that it was only a link to policy.  Your motto is as ridiculous as the excuse, not very funny, not an earth shaking insult, but not a high quality motto.  Fartherred (talk) 06:09, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
 * comment - "Which Backstreet Boy is Gay" is different from this nom. Here, Zappa is (jokingly) saying that something (in this case, the Republican Party, i think) is so bad it shouldn't have been created in the first place. I am quoting him and linking to an essay about "really silly things you shouldn't create" (get the parallel?). Now, your AfD proposal isn't even attributed, which of course would lead to confusion. It is an example of things you shouldn't create, i suppose, but i believe it is a pretty lame idea for a motto, in any case compared with this one.
 * Also, i'm not "make fun of God and Republicans", Zappa is. If you think about, God here isn't attacked. God created everything, therefore he created the Republican Party. The perceived insult being that he then realized it wasn't such a good idea, would be perceived by Republicans. Now, i believe they can take a joke. But if you don't like it, that's your unalienable right. You can oppose it. Simple a that. benzband  ( talk ) 13:29, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
 * comment - It is not required that a motto be a quote and have attribution. The "Look both ways" motto and many others have not had attribution. The important thing is that this motto makes fun of God and republicans.  The song title making fun of the Backstreet Boys is not suitable for a motto for good reason and the same principle applies to any other group that a motto might make fun of.  Fartherred (talk) 01:08, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

(not enough discussion) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 12:26, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south...... going on editing sprees for just 6 years (as of 28/03/2006) 22:26, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

→ You can not become a fat man by one meal.
Chinese saying as quoted by Ambassador Zhang Weidong taken from Minestry of Foreign Affairs of the People's Republic of China Fartherred (talk) 17:00, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment - Motto lacks wikilink. benzband  ( talk ) 17:19, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment - The application to Wikipedia would be that an editor cannot become an experienced editor by one day of reading policy and editing. Is there an essay or policy that says about that that the saying can link to? Fartherred (talk) 17:50, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment - Now I have added a link. If the motto is not approved, I might nominate it again with a different link.  Fartherred (talk) 23:12, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment - You can always make an "edit", with different links. (see example below :) ~ benzband  ( talk ) 10:08, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

in favour of '''edit 1. Simply south...... going on editing sprees for just 6 years (as of 28/03/2006) 22:26, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

→ You can not become a fat man by one meal.
Edit 1, with an extra link. benzband ( talk ) 10:08, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

- not enough discussion. Simply south...... facing oncoming traffic for over 5 years 23:11, 24 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Weak Support <span style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;padding:1px;">&#0149;martyx&#0149; tk ct gy 14:05, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Support (edit 1) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 11:31, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

✅ per consensus. Simply south...... going on editing sprees for just 6 years (as of 28/03/2006) 22:26, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

→ You can not become a fat man by one meal.
Edit 2, different linkes. <span style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;padding:1px;">&#0149;martyx&#0149; tk ct gy 13:45, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

in favour of edit 1. Simply south...... going on editing sprees for just 6 years (as of 28/03/2006) 22:26, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

→ Pick up your savior and strong prayer and get out of here
"Leaving" by Hate Dept. form their 1998 album Technical Difficulties. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:27, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Support - benzband  ( talk ) 17:55, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose - This motto is a simple expression of bigotry. Fartherred (talk) 20:27, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Óppose, procedural oppose, this one may result in too much acrimony, we probably ought to be cautious, and not take that risk. NewbyG  ( talk) 20:02, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south...... facing oncoming traffic for over 5 years 21:42, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south...... going on editing sprees for just 6 years (as of 28/03/2006) 19:15, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

→ Sticks and Stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me.

 * Fartherred (talk) 04:24, 2 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Support - benzband  ( talk ) 17:56, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:03, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/May 17, 2012 (per consensus; 3 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:41, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

→ Never ascribe to malice that which can adequately be explained by incompetence
Napoleon Bonaparte (1769-1821), french/corsican general and emperor. benzband ( talk ) 17:41, 17 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 11:13, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Support - Fartherred (talk) 22:22, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/May 16, 2012 (per consensus; 3 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:38, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

→ Never ascribe to malice that which can adequately be explained by incompetence
Edit 1, with WP:AGF (probably a more often linked to page). benzband ( talk ) 15:48, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

- not enough discussion. Simply south...... going on editing sprees for just 6 years (as of 28/03/2006) 20:20, 31 March 2012 (UTC). – striked-out –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:38, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment - The first version is better simply because it links to a less common policy page, and a good one. We do not operate by only the most popular 10% of WP policies.  Fartherred (talk) 04:37, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I know that's why i stated that in edit intro :-) Also i try to come up with obscure essays glad that's seen positively  benzband  ( talk ) 17:27, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

(in favour of the original) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:38, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

→ This is my own, my native land!

 * by Sir Walter Scott in The Lay of the Last Minstrel - Fartherred (talk) 04:33, 31 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Support :-) benzband  ( talk ) 09:36, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Support <span style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;padding:1px;">&#0149;martyx&#0149; tk ct gy 09:41, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:06, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/May 15, 2012 (per consensus) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:34, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

→ I'm starting with the man in the mirror; I'm asking him to change his ways
In a nutshell we EDIANS are all the same and I'm asking you to be BOLD when editing <span style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;padding:1px;">&#0149;martyx&#0149; tk ct gy 13:51, 27 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Support. Simply south...... going on editing sprees for just 6 years (as of 28/03/2006) 17:27, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Support. benzband  ( talk ) 09:36, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:06, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/May 14, 2012 (per consensus) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:33, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

===→ Nil posse creari de nihilo. ("Nothing can be created from nothing.") === Titus Lucretius Carus (ca. 99 BC – ca. 55 BC), De rerum natura ("On the Nature of Things"), Book I, line 156–157. Variant translation: "Nothing can be created out of nothing." –p joe f (talk • contribs) 13:39, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

(in favour of Edit 1) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:31, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

====→ Nil posse creari de nihilo. ("Nothing can be created from nothing.") ==== Edit I –p joe f (talk • contribs) 13:39, 27 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Support Edit zero? :) <span style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;padding:1px;">&#0149;martyx&#0149; tk ct gy 13:52, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Support - nothing can be created out of pessimism. benzband  ( talk ) 15:39, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/May 13, 2012 (per consensus; 3 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:31, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

→ No object is so beautiful that, under certain conditions, it will not look ugly.
Oscar Wilde This phrase accounts for lots of people taking a go at Wikipedia, although it [WP] is probably the most awesome encyclopedia the world has ever seen (as yet :) benzband  ( talk ) 10:42, 11 March 2012 (UTC)


 * support weakly  - Wikipedia has limitations and faults, but the cursory examination I gave to the WP:Criticisms article reveals disparaging comments that are mostly not based in fact. If some one has ulterior motives for thinking something is ugly, they are likely able to convince themselves.  The motto is aesthetically displeasing considering the implication of the link that some people consider Wikipedia ugly. Fartherred (talk) 04:22, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * comment - you probably meant WP:Criticism, not WP:Criticisms, as it was WP:Criticism that was linked on this motto. Once again, the link enlightens the reader. The word "ugly" should not be taken "à la Lettre"; the inferred meaning is more that Wikipedia is a great encyclopedia, but even being such does not make it perfect. That is, i think, also Wilde's intention. Cheers ~  benzband  ( talk ) 19:44, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * comment - It makes more sense now that ben sent me to the correct link. There is no use explaning how I got to the wrong link.  Fartherred (talk) 07:20, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

(in favour of Edit 2) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:29, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

→ No object is so beautiful that, under certain conditions, it will not look ugly.
Edit 1 –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:19, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Support - benzband  ( talk ) 14:38, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

(in favour of Edit 2) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:29, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

→ No object is so ugly that, under certain conditions, it will not look beautiful.
Edit 2 by rewording the sentence (if possible) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:19, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Support - benzband  ( talk ) 14:38, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

(all 3 vesrsions; not enough discussion) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 12:28, 27 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Support Edit 2 <span style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;padding:1px;">&#0149;martyx&#0149; tk ct gy 13:41, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

✅ Edit 2 for Motto of the day/May 12, 2012 (per consensus; X in support and X opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:29, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

→ I think it would be fun to run a newspaper.
Walter Parks Thatcher in Citizen Kane. benzband ( talk ) 18:58, 25 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 11:29, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Support <span style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;padding:1px;">&#0149;martyx&#0149; tk ct gy 13:42, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/May 11, 2012 (per consensus; 3 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:23, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

→ At twenty-one, so many things appear solid, permanent, untenable.
Orson Welles. benzband ( talk ) 18:54, 25 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 11:29, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Support Maybe only link so many things... and exclude the 'At twenty-one,' part? <span style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;padding:1px;">&#0149;martyx&#0149; tk ct gy 13:43, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Support - Orson Welles might have considered that some faults of thinking are proper to one age group, but the link does not indicate only one age group should consider improving things. Fartherred (talk) 04:33, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Anyway, on WP, nobody knows you're twenty-one. :P benzband  ( talk ) 17:35, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/May 10, 2012 (per consensus) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:20, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

===→ They think they're so clever, they think they're so right But the truth is only known by guttersnipe=== The Clash in Garageland. benzband ( talk ) 12:21, 24 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 11:32, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Support - Linking to outdated and imperfect policy pages is OK. It might motivate some people to contribute to updating policy.  Fartherred (talk) 04:29, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Which one is outdated/imperfect? benzband  ( talk ) 17:37, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/May 9, 2012 (per consensus; 3 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:19, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

→ Give it to him. Why? It's his.
-- Ankit Maity <sup style="color:magenta;">Talk <sub style="color:green;">Contribs 16:29, 8 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment This one is OKish, no reason to rule it out, (I tidied the punctuation). NewbyG  ( talk) 03:51, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

- not enough discussion. Simply south...... facing oncoming traffic for over 5 years 17:45, 23 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 11:34, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Support - I can understand something from this motto. Fartherred (talk) 04:26, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Support - Give 'Em Enough Rope! benzband  ( talk ) 17:36, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/May 8, 2012 (per consensus) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:16, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

===→ Bellum omnium contra omnes ("The war of all against all") === "Bellum omnium contra omnes" by Thomas Hobbes (1588–1679) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 11:29, 20 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Support - benzband  ( talk ) 16:29, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Support - Fartherred (talk) 22:27, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/May 7, 2012 (per consensus; 2 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:14, 4 April 2012 (UTC)