Wikipedia:New Zealand Wikipedians' notice board/Archive 22

Archive for July - December 2016

Chris Amon biography nominated for main page recent deaths
Kia ora koutou, I have nominated Chris Amon for listing on the WP main page under "Recent Deaths" however I suspect the nomination will be opposed due to the lack of citations in the article. Some paragraphs have none at all. If anyone would like to pitch in and add references to the uncited statements, that would be great! I suspect that all the details of his career do appear online, as there are plenty of references in the ref list, however they need to be matched up to the statements. MurielMary (talk) 11:05, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

Add missing articles
There is high interest in the Rio Olympics and New Zealand at the 2016 Summer Olympics contains a large number of redlinks. As per WP:NOLYMPICS, all Olympic competitors—with the exception of reserves for team sports—are inherently notable. So why don't we have a collective blitz and turn those redlinks into articles? I've dealt with rowing already.  Schwede 66  19:17, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

And here's what needs doing:
 * Canoeing
 * Marty McDowell Mattlore (talk) 22:42, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Aimee Fisher Mattlore (talk) 22:42, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Kayla Imrie Mattlore (talk) 22:42, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Jaimee Lovett Mattlore (talk) 22:42, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Caitlin Ryan —  Schwede 66  22:53, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Equestrian
 * Julie Brougham —  Schwede 66  20:13, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Tim Price —  Schwede 66  22:57, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Clarke Johnstone —  Schwede 66  19:15, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Field hockey
 * James Coughlan (field hockey) —  Schwede 66  23:52, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Nic Woods —  Schwede 66  23:52, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Devon Manchester —  Schwede 66  23:52, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Kane Russell —  Schwede 66  23:52, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Blair Tarrant —  Schwede 66  23:52, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Shay Neal —  Schwede 66  23:52, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Hayden Phillips (field hockey) Mattlore (talk) 10:00, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Brooke Neal Mattlore (talk) 05:34, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Kirsten Pearce Mattlore (talk) 05:34, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Kelsey Smith —  Schwede 66  08:37, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Pippa Hayward — Mattlore 8 August 2016
 * Rugby sevens
 * Lewis Ormond —  JaumeBG  (talk)  03:53, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Ruby Tui —  JaumeBG  (talk)  04:44, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Sione Molia — Tamariki 11 August 2016
 * Niall Williams (rugby union) — Tamariki 7 August 2016
 * Sailing
 * Sam Meech Mattlore (talk) 03:51, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Josh Junior Mattlore (talk) 21:58, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Alex Maloney Mattlore (talk) 04:11, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Molly Meech Mattlore (talk) 04:11, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Gemma Jones (sailor) Mattlore (talk) 21:58, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Shooting
 * Natalie Rooney — Lugnuts 8 August 2016
 * Chloe Tipple Mattlore (talk) 03:40, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Swimming
 * Kane Radford Mattlore (talk) 22:18, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Triathlon
 * Tony Dodds —  Schwede 66  01:49, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Wrestling
 * Craig Miller (wrestler) Mattlore (talk) 21:36, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

That's 31 competitors to do, out of 199 in total. I suggest we cross them out once names go blue; that way, we can see progress.  Schwede 66  19:36, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Make that 32, now that Tim Price replaces Jonathan Paget in eventing.  Schwede 66  19:15, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Sione Molia as a rugby reserve who's replacing an injured player brings this to 33.  Schwede 66  05:17, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
 * As Molia is only a traveling reserve - I'm not sure he meets notability criteria. The women's sevens team will also have two traveling reserves. Mattlore (talk) 06:53, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
 * The moment he plays, I understand he gets counted as an Olympic competitor.  Schwede 66  08:37, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
 * He's previously played for New Zealand in the IRB Sevens World Series, so already meets WP:NRU. Paora (talk) 11:05, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
 * The traveling reserves for the women's squad are Michaela Blyde and Shiray Tane. Mattlore (talk) 21:58, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

The silver medal goes to the New Zealand Wikipedians for being the second project on the English Wikipedia to have articles for their 2016 Olympians. We got pipped by the Canadians, but as a country, they are a tad more numerous so will certainly have a higher WP to athlete ratio than us. So once again, we are performing splendidly. How about we now try and get every medallist biography up to at least start class? I'll prepare a to do list.  Schwede 66  23:52, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

Medalist?
I was wondering which way NZ English spells this word, "medalist" (1-L) or "medallist" (2-L's) ; I noticed that Category:Olympic medalists for New Zealand uses one, while Category:Olympic medallists for Great Britain uses two. -- 65.94.171.217 (talk) 23:02, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Currently Great Britain is the only Olympic category to use the two. However, for the commonwealth games categories, all countries use medaLList. Mattlore (talk) 00:23, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Should the NZ Olympic categories use two "L"'s? -- 65.94.171.217 (talk) 03:29, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
 * My NZ spell checker that comes with Firefox wants to see two "L". Throwing the options into Google and restricting the search to NZ domain names sees one "L" win by a land mile. So the one "L" version seems to be more common, despite what Firefox thinks.  Schwede 66  05:55, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Our esteemed print media seem to all use two, in a quick search I couldn't find any using one. Mattlore (talk) 06:03, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

10,000 Challenge
Hi, I was wondering if anybody would like to collaborate long term in trying to reach a 10,000 article improvement/creation drive for New Zealand at WikiProject New Zealand/The 10,000 Challenge like we're doing for the UK at The 10,000 Challenge? Regional contests fuel the drive but it's a permanent goal now. Would wikipedians here be interested in running a similar thing and some regional contests/editathons to increase output? it could be a lower target if there's not enoguh editors, but I'm hoping to get multiple 10,000 challenges running at the same time to benefit everywhere.♦ Dr. Blofeld  16:16, 11 September 2016 (UTC)

, any thoughts on what a reasonable target would be? How may contributors does NZ have like yourself?♦ Dr. Blofeld  08:30, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Good question. Don't really know of the top of my head. Maybe a dozen semi-active to active contributors? What do others think? Anyway, if that's half-way right, then "10,000" is a really scary number. Even "1,000" would be big for little old New Zealand, I reckon. That said, I'm just about to mass-produce three dozen Olympic rowers that are redlinked.  Schwede 66  09:19, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, 10,000 would be too big for NZ. The focus though would be more on cleanup/improving article quality and destubbing, so a minor reference would be listed as well as new articles etc. There would need to be at least three or four people interested in doing it first though!♦ Dr. Blofeld  09:33, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Well, that's the kind of thing I'm doing all the time anyway. I track new articles, but not improvements; the latter would be the more numerous.  Schwede 66  10:11, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Yeah, there's probably not enough editors then to sustain one for NZ then which is a shame. We could do with cloning a few dozen of you!♦ Dr. Blofeld  12:09, 12 September 2016 (UTC)

Union Churches
I've created a stub at Union Church (Australia), and it has since occurred to me to wonder, did or do similar buildings exist in New Zealand, either by that name or another? The possibility that they might was suggested to me by discussion at talk:charitable trust.

It occurred to me that the rural NZ experience might be similar to that of parts of Oz. If so, it might be appropriate to broaden and rename the current stub.

Or, if they did/do exist and are already covered by another article, I'd like to at least link to that from the new stub. It seems relevant. TIA Andrewa (talk) 21:51, 11 September 2016 (UTC)


 * There are certainly a number of Union Churches in New Zealand, and Heritage New Zealand has quite a few of them on its register. I recall that the one in Burkes Pass is Category I and therefore inherently notable, but it doesn't have its own article yet. I would have to be convinced, though, that there is a link between Australian and New Zealand union churches to justify a common article. My inclination would be to have separate articles for the two countries and whilst there obviously isn't one for NZ as yet, somebody will get round to writing that article one day.  Schwede 66  00:42, 12 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the reply. The link would be if these were set up on the same basis as the Australian ones. The ones in other countries listed at Union Church seem to be of quite a different character.


 * And that maw be true of New Zealand too. I see http://www.heritage.org.nz/the-list/details/0131 lists the current use as Religion - Church, and that there is No public access.


 * This suggests to me that it may be a conventional church run by a congregation, not a trust-run building, but it doesn't actually say. How do I find out? Andrewa (talk) 01:53, 12 September 2016 (UTC)


 * The simplest way to find out would be to ask the local i-site, in this case the one at Thames. If a place hasn't got an i-site, I'd look whether they had a museum.  Schwede 66  02:55, 12 September 2016 (UTC)


 * We have the same concept of a building owned by a trust and available to multiple church groups, but we tend not to call them "Union Churches". The example closest to me is the "Soldiers' Memorial Church" in Titirangi, which is used by the Traditional Anglican Parish of West Auckland, the local Anglican parish for a weekday communion service, the local Presbyterians sometimes, a Celtic service once a month and various weddings as well as funerals from the local RSA. In NZ, our "Union" Church concept is basically the same as the "Uniting" Church in Australia. Usually it's a combination of Presbyterian and Methodist parishes that cannot sustain separate buildings and services and so have joined forces. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 06:04, 13 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks... then it's definitely not looking good to have a single article covering both. Andrewa (talk) 06:32, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

Automobile, motor bike and motor sport photographs
I am on the look out for any photographs relating to New Zealand made automobiles - historic cars and bikes, kit cars, racing/rally cars, and motor cycles for the articles about or related to the Automotive industry in New Zealand, Kit and replica cars of New Zealand, and Motor sport in New Zealand. If anyone comes across any that can be uploaded to Wikimedia Commons Category:Vehicles in New Zealand I would appreciate it. NealeFamily (talk) 02:00, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
 * You are based in Wellington, right? Why not catch up with the Kennett Bros; they have boxes full of old bike photos that would all be PD by now.  Schwede 66  02:05, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
 * http://www.digitalnz.org/ allows facetting to restict to images and 'share' licensing. Stuartyeates (talk) 08:00, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Thankyou both, these will definitely fill in some gaps - 04:37, 18 September 2016 (UTC)NealeFamily (talk)

Local Body Elections 2016

 * Candidates representing NZ political parties

There are Green, Labour and United Future candidates standing for Auckland local elections, 2016 as well as local boards in the region. Labour has a section on Auckland Local elections only. Does this mean there aren't successful Labour candidates in local body politics anywhere else in NZ? Green infobox notes the numbers in Wellington City and Regional Councils, Dunedin City Council and Christchurch community boards.

Just wondering if this is something worth noting in those political party's respective pages or note on the local election page.


 * Retention of current council members etc.

I noticed some city council pages lists the members of current council etc. I wonder if it is worth archiving them in one page, perhaps adding to the bottom of or the talk page of New Zealand local elections, 2013 so the info is not lost. I am not suggesting we create new pages, just retain some of the old info somewhere until such time someone decides whether they need organising. Any thoughts or objections? Linnah (talk) 15:57, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Linnah If there's a section with current officeholders, make a new officeholder section with the current one as subsection with the year of election as the subsection heading. Add the new people above and by implication invite others to add previous councils below. Stuartyeates (talk) 00:46, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

Māori language
Where can I find a Wikipedia style guide for Māori language, e.g., use of macrons, formation of plurals of Māori words in English sentences? Thanks! Wikid (talk) 06:23, 22 September 2016 (UTC)


 * I don't think there is one (it would be good if there was, though). Personally I use macrons where appropriate - i.e. only leaving them out when a proper name, such as that of a company or a book, doesn't have them - and form plurals of English loan-words according to Māori language rules (the same as what I'd do with many Latin loan-words). Daveosaurus (talk) 06:37, 22 September 2016 (UTC)


 * I know of no wikipedia style guide. The best I'm aware of is http://www.stats.govt.nz/about_us/what-we-do/our-publications/style-guides/style-manual/maori-language Stuartyeates (talk) 19:47, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

Thanks - I'll pursue my WikiGnome activities along those lines (e.g. "tohungas" becomes "tohunga"). Wikid (talk) 01:49, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

Could someone please review 'Shannon Te Ao' for me
I started a page on Shannon Te Ao, winner of the 2016 Walters Prize but hit publish a little early and so got tagged for speedy deletion. The original editor hasn't been back to reverse that; would someone mind having a look for me? Auchmill (talk) 03:53, 2 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Kia ora Auchmill, I've had a look and added some questions to the talk page. MurielMary (talk) 21:40, 29 October 2016 (UTC)

Merge proposal Inland Revenue Department (New Zealand) and Rewrite Advisory Panel
See Talk:Rewrite_Advisory_Panel for discussing the merge. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 12:55, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

Soundscape festival (merge)
Hello! while looking at old merge proposals I came across Soundscape (New Zealand festival). I can't find any info on this festival from later than 2013. is it still going? And if not, can it be merged into University of Waikato? Sophie means wisdom (talk) 12:52, 6 November 2016 (UTC)

WikiProject Oceania/The 10,000 Challenge
Hi, WikiProject Oceania/The 10,000 Challenge is up and running based on The 10,000 Challenge for the UK which has currently produced over 2300 article improvements and creations. If you'd like to see large scale quality improvements happening for New Zealand and Oceania like The Africa Destubathon, which has produced over 1600 articles in 5 weeks, sign up on the page. The idea will be an ongoing national editathon/challenge for Oceania but fuelled by a contest if desirable to really get articles improved and created.I know for Oceania it is a very tall order, but that's where a big contest like the Africa one would help fuel it! If there is a minimum of 4 or 5 people who work on New Zealand articles interested I'll create a 1000 Challenge for New Zealand feeding into the continent one. I would like some support from wikipedians here to get the Challenge off to a start anyway with some articles to make doing a Destubathon for New Zealand, Australia and Oceania worthwhile! Cheers.♦ Dr. Blofeld  21:57, 20 November 2016 (UTC)

Here's a poser
Abel Tasman made two Pacific Voyages, during which he made several discoveries, including that of the Three Kings Islands at the northern tip of New Zealand.

He was accompanied by the artist Isaack Gilsemans who created the sketch seen at right of his visit to the Kings on 13 December 1642. It shows three ships, two in the foreground and one on the horizon.

That's odd because Tasman had only two ships on his first voyage in 1642, but three on the second voyage in 1644.

So, did Gilsemans not draw the sketch until after the second voyage, forgetting there were only two ships when they were at the Three Kings? Or does his image faithfully show another explorer's ship that was passing at that time, someone we don't know about?

Any historians here have a theory? Moriori (talk) 02:07, 3 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Not a historian, but I notice the image on the Isaack Gilsemans page also shows two ships (plus sundry canoes). I'd guess that Gilsemans sketched what he thought an imaginary observer of the whole fleet would see. Daveosaurus (talk) 02:18, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
 * The ship on the horizon looks to me like some sort of stylistic thing, like the anchor seemingly floating on the sea surface. Nurg (talk) 09:32, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I have shown the image to friends, asking them (without prompting) what the scene depicts, and they see a ship on the horizon with at least two flags. An anchor appears in the bay in the foreground, so an anchor out on the horizon would be unusual indeed. A very interesting point made by one friend is that the giant on the right is actually facing seaward and is (1) waving to the vessel on the horizon, or (2) is performing a whakapohane aimed at Tasman's ships. Enlarge the image and you can actually see the buttcrack, which supports the theory of him facing seaward. Curious indeed. Moriori (talk) 20:22, 15 December 2016 (UTC)


 * I would have thought it highly unlikely that Tasman passed another explorer on the first voyage and failed to mention it anywhere. Perhaps it is a composite picture, as in the drawing of the encounter at Murderer's Bay; The larger depictions are of the ship's positions (more or less) at the time of the encounter, the smaller depictions indicating the direction in which they left the scene. DerbyCountyinNZ  (Talk Contribs) 03:28, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

2016 Community Wishlist Survey Proposal to Revive Popular Pages
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Entry on the new PM Bill English nominated for the Wikipedia main page as "In the news"
As a new editor I'm unfamiliar with the process for drawing attention to this nomination, which may take up to 7 days. It may be useful to have the entry added to ITN earlier than that. Please promote this nomination wherever it may be seen by fellow NZ wikipedians. Here is the nomination: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Bill_English#Nominated_for_ITN Thanks EvidenceFairy (talk) 05:02, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

Rewrite needed for Whanganui Regional Museum
I have a COI with the Whanganui Regional Museum – my employer – so about a year ago posted some suggestions for improvement and references to its Talk page. Nothing much happened as a result, sadly. Recently though there have a been a couple of information dumps obviously taken from Museum press releases about changed hours and address. They're anonymous, so could be from a tourist information office or even my colleagues. If anyone would like to have a go at improving this article, in particular adding an infobox with clear links to temporarily-changed address and website, that would be great. I'm happy to make basic factual changes, but would rather someone else did, as I'm always explaining to museums and galleries why they can't just write their own Wikipedia pages! Giantflightlessbirds (talk) 21:11, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

Joe Warbrick peer review
Seasons greetings everyone. I've opened a peer review for Joe Warbrick, the 19th century Maori rugby player. I'm looking for feedback here before nominating at WP:FAC sometime early next year. So if anyone has a spare couple of hours over the holiday season I'd appreciate any constructive feedback you're willing to offer. Thanks! -- Shudde  talk 14:39, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

Category:Recipients of the New Zealand 1990 Commemoration Medal has been nominated for discussion
Category:Recipients of the New Zealand 1990 Commemoration Medal, which is within the scope of this WikiProject, has been nominated for deletion. A discussion is taking place to see if it abides with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. RevelationDirect (talk) 03:14, 27 December 2016 (UTC)