Wikipedia:New Zealand Wikipedians' notice board/Archive 26

New Zealand wine region articles
Hi, as per the discussion above (and others elsewhere) I've created initial Redirects with possibilities for the major NZ wine regions. These currently point to the corresponding sections of the New Zealand wine article, with a view to spinning these off into separate articles over the next few weeks or months. I've also cargo-cult-copied an existing navigation template, Template:Wine regions of New Zealand, which has the links to these articles, included here for convenience:

Please feel free to be WP:BOLD and start hacking on a new wine region article! The Central Otago article as already existed for some time, and it's about time the others got some attention too. Any questions, please reply here or get in touch some how, and if you are in Wellington in the month week or two, I hope to see you at the next Wiki meet up. Happy New Year!—Jon (talk) 04:37, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
 * That looks great; at a Wikibrunch last year some of us were talking about seriously working on the coverage of NZ wine on Wikipedia, and even organising a "Wiki Loves Wine" weekend in the Wairarapa this summer, with a winery to host. Do come along to one of the Wellington meetups and we can chat about it. –Giantflightlessbirds (talk) 00:48, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

NZ By-elections
Have completed the NZ by-elections for 1891 on with a brief article on each of the missing ones. And started on by-elections to 1890. With electorates incorporating City of or Town of it is preferable to include redirects from the various options used in some articles; eg for 1877 City of Auckland West by-election include redirects from 1877 Auckland West by-election, also City of Auckland West by-election, 1877 and Auckland West by-election, 1877: some politician articles and by-election templates use the shorter name without “city of” etc. The by-election articles are brief, but I try and mention (from Papers Past) something about unsuccessful candidates who do not have an article on them.

Have also added a link to obituaries from Papers Past for some of the brief articles on 19c politicians; they often say where from etc. Noticed while doing it for Isaac Wilson (New Zealand politician) that he died in 1912 not 1901 (as given in JO Wilson’s "Parliamentary Record"); there was an Isaac Wilson from Kaiapoi who hung himself from a tree in 1901, but no mention in the news item on him of the Kaiapoi Woollen Mills etc that the ex-MP was involved with! See his article’s talk page. An obituary on Henry Manders ("Alas poor Manders") said he died during a spree. Hugo999 (talk) 10:37, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

Upcoming Wikipedia events in Wellington
Critter of the Week Wikibrunch Wikipedians provide backup for Jesse Mulligan's popular radio show, and we’re trying to recruit a Critter Task Force to make sure there are good, up-to-date articles for every species talked about. Wikipedians interested in natural history should come along to this brunch and learn about how you can help: editing, proofing, finding sources, tracking down photos.
 * Sat 12 Jan
 * 10:30 am–1:00 pm
 * Home Cafe, National Library, 70 Molesworth St

Historic Buildings in Wikidata When Asaf Bartov gave a Wikidata masterclass last year, we promised we would run a beginner’s class in Wikidata. This is is it. If you’re interested in Wikidata, or in Wellington’s heritage, and want to learn about creating items, choosing properties, and adding photos, come along for a hands-on workshop.
 * Sun 13 Jan
 * 11:00 am–4:00 pm
 * Wellington City Archives, 28 Barker St

Wikidrinks: Happy Birthday, Wikipedia! A chance to celebrate Wikipedia Day (Wikipedia turns 18, so can legally drink in NZ), catch up and make plans for the next few months.
 * Tues 15 Jan
 * 6:00–9:30 pm
 * Dragonfly (courtyard out back), 70 Courtenay Pl

See the NZ Wikipedian at Large project for more upcoming events. —Giantflightlessbirds (talk) 00:28, 8 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Excellent! I'd like to come along to the wikidata event; can I come along with a pre-canned question? I'm trying to figure out how to make the VIVC grape variety database ID numbers a first-class thing in Wikidata so that we can automatically link it up somehow(?) from Template:Infobox grape variety, and possibly make it behave like an authority control (or at least make it come up with the wikidata barcode thing at the bottom, when the wiki article somehow knows it should display a link to its wikidata entry; I've tried to do that with e.g. Corvinone or Sagrantino). Sorry if 1. I'm not making sense, and/or that 2. it's not related to heritage buildings! —Jon (talk) 01:14, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi Jon, sounds like a rather specialist question! I work on Wikidata a bit but won't be there (am based in Christchurch). When I have tricky queries like that I work with MisterSynergy who is an admin on Wikidata. Very knowledgeable guy!  Schwede 66  03:54, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure Ambrosia10, who'll be there, will be able to help you. She also knows her wine. —Giantflightlessbirds (talk) 05:42, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

Re-creating a deleted page
Hi there, I am a new Wikipedia contributor and I've been working on adding bios of NZ writers. I'd like to add one for Ashleigh Young, but a red link for her goes to a page saying that "A page with this title has previously been moved or deleted." (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ashleigh_Young&action=edit&redlink=1) This was in 2016 and could have been done on grounds of non-notability, but she has won a big overseas prize since then. I have posted a query on the talk page of the editor who deleted it, but there is a note that he/she may now off Wikipedia and previous queries on similar topics have gone unanswered. The same applies for NZ writer Fifi Colston, whose page was deleted in 2011 (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fifi_Colston&action=edit&redlink=1) but she has won a lot of awards since then. I feel that in both cases, mine would be a new page with different content, so is it OK just to go ahead? Or do I need to try and find the original page? Thanks for any advice! --Pippipip (talk) 20:13, 20 January 2019 (UTC)


 * The page WP:Requests for undeletion may help you. Akld guy (talk) 20:53, 20 January 2019 (UTC)


 * OK, I'll try that - thanks! --Pippipip (talk) 21:41, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
 * And now I know about Template:ping, cheers! Jon (talk) 22:55, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I've moved Colston to Draft:Fifi Colston as it needs work before it goes back to mainspace. Ashleigh Young has just been created from scratch. If you'd like to have a look through the deleted version of the Young article please say so and I'll make that available, too.  Schwede 66  03:24, 21 January 2019 (UTC)

Wikimedia Community User Group New Zealand
Hi guys, I'm trying to establish Wikimedia Community User Group New Zealand that would eventually lead into a regular chapter. It's going to a be a long journey but I'm determined. And I'll need your help. If you're keen to join us, please, put your signature on Meta. Feel free to add suggestions of our possible objectives and goals on a discussion page or directly into the main page. That'd be great. I hope to see you there! Regards, Podzemnik (talk) 20:36, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I didn't realise this idea had started way back in January! Let's get it done! has this user group been activated yet or shall one of the other NZ WP'ans go ahead and submit the request to start? MurielMary (talk) 02:29, 3 October 2019 (UTC)

Liste der Baudenkmale in Greymouth
Is there anyone with technical skills who could help to create list on NZ heritage buildings like de:Liste der Baudenkmale in Greymouth? I think it should be possible with some help of a bot. Data at http://www.heritage.org.nz/the-list are quite well structured I think. Regards, Podzemnik (talk) 11:27, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi Podzemnik, I remember using an Excel file (http://www.heritage.org.nz/the-list, "Export the full List") from the heritage website, then using some website converter (like https://tools.wmflabs.org/excel2wiki/) to change it into a wiki table to start the List of historic places in Dunedin page. I would suggest doing the whole West Coast at once. Let us known what your next step is I might be able to help. (Dushan Jugum (talk) 19:16, 22 January 2019 (UTC)).
 * If we embark on a project like that, may I suggest that we get the background info correct on Wikidata and then generate the various lists automatically?  Schwede 66  20:23, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Perhaps it would be best to work with Heritage NZ and get them to export their entire list for us from their database as a Wikidata-friendly spreadsheet, and do the Wikidata work with that? I agree we're beyond the days of manually creating lists in Wikipedia but not Wikidata. (Update: it looks like the entire list is already in Wikidata. So we should be working on improving those entries, as we recently did in Wellington at the Historic Buildings in Wikidata meetup). —Giantflightlessbirds (talk) 18:44, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Not quite sure what exactly you mean by "beyond the days of manually creating lists in Wikipedia but not Wikidata". I'm currently working on a spreadsheet that I will use to amend Wikidata entries for the East German sports people listed in a book; much easier to start with a spreadsheet than manually doing the work on Wikidata.  Schwede 66  19:14, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

Biography of Nicola Kawana, needs references since 2006
Greetings, Asking for help with article Nicola Kawana was tagged in 2006 as having no references. Hoping members of New Zealand wikiproject may be able to improve this article (totally outside my area of expertise). Thanks. JoeHebda (talk) 19:17, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks, took some refs from Huia Samuels, one is now only available on pressreader. The rest are puff pieces. If somone here loves Shortland Street they should do it right. (Dushan Jugum (talk) 19:59, 22 January 2019 (UTC)).
 * Thanks for improving the article. Regards, JoeHebda (talk) 13:02, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

Hawke's Bay Knowledge Base digital archive
Here's a mine of interesting historical and contemporary information about the Hawke's Bay region: the recently revamped Knowledge Bank, from the Hawke's Bay Digital Archives Trust. Just a pity they seem to have chosen CC-BY-NC 4.0 as their default license. I wonder if they could be persuaded? Jon (talk) 09:23, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

Peter Wells
Peter Wells has just died. The article is nominated at WP:ITN/C to appear on the front page under recent deaths. I think it needs a bit more work before it'll be accepted for publication there. If anyone can spare some time to help edit (and particularly to add citations), it would be appreciated. Ngā mihi. —Hugh (talk) 21:57, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

Te Ara and Jock Phillips
I've been working on the Te Ara: The Encyclopedia of New Zealand article and it could do with some more input from more knowledgeable folks; and along the way I've noticed the Jock Phillips article is a bit rough too. Any help appreciated — Jon (talk) 12:35, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

Two talks in Palmerston North
I'm giving a couple of lunchtime talks next week on the Massey campus in Palmerston North, one aimed at the general public and the other at researchers wanting to start engaging with Wikimedia. I'll be around on Tuesday, Wednesday, and most of Thursday to meet with anyone who's interested in talking Wikipedia. Please feel free to pass this on to anyone you think might be keen. More info and bookings.

—Giantflightlessbirds (talk) 07:45, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
 * 12:10–13:00, Tue 19 Mar, SSLB3: How Wiki Works (for the public)
 * 12:10–13:00, Wed 20 Mar, SDP4.30, Peren Seminar Room: Engaging with Wikimedia (for researchers)

Victims section in Christchurch mosque shootings
Seeking consensus on a "Casualties and victims" section for the Christchurch mosque shootings article. It includes a table listing the known victims by nationality. If you can, please indicate your support or objection at Talk:Christchurch mosque shootings. Neegzistuoja (talk) 19:28, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

Putiki
Was trying to figure out what the scope is of the Putiki page on the Māori WP; see the empty Wikidata entry. Is that about the suburb of Whanganui?  Schwede 66  18:20, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I'd say so, yes; that's certainly what the mi.WP page is about. —Hugh (talk) 22:29, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

Template:Historic New Zealand political parties
Some of the oldest template red links in Wikipedia are in Template:Historic New Zealand political parties: Advance New Zealand, Pakeha Party, United Political Party, Women's Independence Party. These have been in the template since at least 2005. Does anyone want to tackle any of these? bd2412 T 00:05, 22 March 2019 (UTC)


 * fixed up the link for "united (ii)", the page United New Zealand already exists Somej (talk) 05:29, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

Creation of a te reo wikipedia
I think there should be a te reo version of wikipedia simply because te reo is increasingly becoming part of every day life in New Zealand so it makes sense.Luke&#39;n&#39;Thomas (talk) 03:08, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Right here.  J 947 &thinsp;(c) , at 03:18, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

How to deal with possible conflict of interest editing by IPs?
A couple of IPs - here and here - have recently been making lots of edits to NZ and Pacific Island-related pages, mostly to add a reference to a single recently-published book. At first glance (not having read the book), the reference appears to be at least somewhat relevant, but it seems likely that the IP editors are closely associated with the book in some way - e.g., its author or publisher. I'm not sure that they've done anything wrong here, except that if there's a conflict of interest, then they should probably reveal it. What's the best way (if anything) to deal with this? Ross Finlayson (talk) 00:02, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
 * I noticed them as well. You could ask politely on their talk page(s) whether they have an association with the book, and if you fail to get a response you could post at WP:COIN. The best solution, but one that involves a lot more effort, would be to get a copy of the book from your local library (the Auckland library system has multiple copies available, so I expect other NZ libraries will have it) and check how relevant some of the references are.- gadfium 03:20, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
 * I've just added a note to the IPs' talk pages. Ross Finlayson (talk) 17:38, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
 * The best solution, but one that involves a lot more effort, would be to get a copy of the book ... and check how relevant some of the references are. Yes, indeed.  So many interesting-looking books, so little time.  I'm reminded of a time last year when a user (not an IP) added several references to a book claiming that the 'mistakes' in Captain Cook's map (showing Banks Peninsula as an island, and Stewart Island as a peninsula) weren't really mistakes at all, but were done deliberately to mislead England's adversaries.  That was possibly also a conflict of interest, though no-one called them out on this.  But the book looked interesting, and has been on my 'to read' list since. Ross Finlayson (talk) 17:38, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
 * They now have a new IP here Ross Finlayson (talk) 20:18, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
 * And another IP here Ross Finlayson (talk) 22:03, 9 April 2019 (UTC)

I've just posted a note about this on WP:COIN Ross Finlayson (talk) 21:51, 9 April 2019 (UTC)

This reference spam continues (all from IP addresses that appear to be located somewhere in the Bay of Plenty). I've posted a note about it here: Conflict_of_interest/Noticeboard Ross Finlayson (talk) 19:54, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

I've started a dialog with the author of the book at User talk:118.93.22.58.- gadfium 04:33, 19 June 2019 (UTC)

Request for input on possible merge
Formal request has been received to merge the article New Zealand Democratic Party for Social Credit into Social Credit Party (New Zealand); dated: March 2019. Proposer's Rationale: ''These are two iterations of the same political party which have separate articles. Social Credit renamed themselves as the Democratic Party in 1985 but in 2018 reverted back to being the Social Credit Party. The period as the Democratic Party would be now best served as a separate section in the article for the Social Credit Party.'' >>>Disussion is Here<<<  GenQuest  "Talk to Me" 17:53, 6 April 2019 (UTC)


 * sounds sensible Somej (talk) 10:22, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

Polyfest
I just noticed while looking something up that Polyfest is a red link. If I ever get my free time back I could try writing something myself but it would be good if someone with more spare time and better resources (and more actual Wikipedia experience!) got in ahead of me. Daveosaurus (talk) 10:03, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

Mahara software article
Hi - in order to avoid being inundated by a bunch of bots complaining about orphaned images, copyright and so on, I have moved a draft article for Mahara (software) into main article space and marked it as a free software stub. Is there a good way to mark my potential COI given that I currently work at Catalyst, which initially developed it? Jon (talk) 23:33, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Your COI declaration seems fine, but you might be considered to have a finanical conflict of interest if you were/are an employee working for the company which developed the software. You might want to ask about that at WP:COIN.As for moving the article the article just to avoid bot messages about image use and image copyright, well that wasn't necessarily a good idea because it might've created other problems. Even stubs are expected to be Wikipedia notable and this software doesn't seem to meet Wikipedia's general notablility guideline or even WP:PRODUCT, at least as currently sourced. There might be a software-specifc guideiline which this does meet and perhaps someone from this WikiProject will take a look and clarify whether that's the case, but it would've been better for you to submit the draft for review via WP:AFC instead of moving it to the mainspace yourself, especially given your COI declaration. As a draft you probably could've continued to work on improving things and better establishing Wikipedia notablility. Now that it's in the article namespace it's there to be edit by anyone and may even possibly end up being deleted if it's felt that the subject in not Wikipedia notable enough or not yet notable enough for an article to be written about it. Moreover, because of your COI, you're going to be expected to avoid directly editing the article yourself and instead make suggestions on the article talk page per WP:COIADVICE. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:45, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi, thanks for your explanations, very useful. As you can probably tell, although I've been on WP for a long time I'm much more of a part-time dabbler than a power user, so I'm not always up to speed with all the regs! Is it worth moving the article into the draft namespace? It's not the end of the world if the images get deleted I guess. — Jon (talk) 01:19, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

A new newsletter directory is out!
A new Newsletter directory has been created to replace the old, out-of-date one. If your WikiProject and its taskforces have newsletters (even inactive ones), or if you know of a missing newsletter (including from sister projects like WikiSpecies), please include it in the directory! The template can be a bit tricky, so if you need help, just post the newsletter on the template's talk page and someone will add it for you.
 * – Sent on behalf of Headbomb. 03:11, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

Categories being required to use "organization" rather than "organisation"
In case anyone wasn't aware, there was a recent RfC on requiring all categories to use "organization" rather than "organisation", which was closed in favour of the proposal. There is currently a discussion on whether there was sufficient notifications of this discussion. Comments are welcomed. Cheers, Number   5  7  20:54, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
 * The discussion has been reopened here. Number   5  7  19:13, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

DELETED by creator / editor - as permission to share the {link} to the facebook group wasn't obtained. re: /* Waitahuna Railway Station - currently undergoing restoration. */ 122.57.108.43 (talk) 01:53, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

New NZ school related article - help
Hey everyone, I am relatively new to Wikipedia (I have been editing articles for around a month) and have just created my first article. I was just looking for any feedback anyone may have or edits that you might want to make. Of course new information for the page is welcomed too. One thing I noticed is that the page doesn't seem to be indexed - it doesn't come up when I search for it, so if anyone could help with that too that would be great. The article is Balmoral School. Thanks. WBPchur (talk) 08:11, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi WBPchur. The page needs to be approved before it goes to google (you can still search it in Wikipedia). They are a little snowed under. In my experience it either gets approved in the first few days or you will have to wait for up to a month. Editors like to work at the start or end of lists. A few editors also patrol the new page area and will make changes to new pages. (Dushan Jugum (talk) 01:55, 2 May 2019 (UTC)).
 * Hi Dushan Jugum. Thanks for your response. Do you know if the article has automatically been submitted for approval or do I have to do something manually? Thanks again for your help. WBPchur (talk) 09:18, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Everything looks good WBPchur, now you just have to wait. Sometimes the reviewer will have some suggestions. Do not make my mistake and keep on constantly checking if the page has been promoted, you will be sent a notice when it happens and it may be a while. (Dushan Jugum (talk) 09:28, 2 May 2019 (UTC)).
 * Alright thanks for your help Dushan Jugum. I'm kind of new here so I'm still learning, but hopefully I should be good pretty soon. All the best! WBPchur (talk) 09:36, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

Te Wharehuia Milroy
The Māori acaedmic Te Wharehuia Milroy has died. Help in editing his article would be much appreciated. —Hugh (talk) 01:22, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

Zero Carbon Bill possible article?
Would anyone be interested in collaborating on an article about the newly introduced Zero Carbon Bill? Here are some useful resources for anyone up for the task: Also, I'm not sure whether the article should be titled simply Zero Carbon Bill, NZ Zero Carbon Bill or New Zealand Zero Carbon Bill? I think that this topic does deserve it's own article, though I would not like to undertake the process on my own. If anyone already is working on this article I'd love to know too. Thanks very much, WBPchur (talk) 08:00, 8 May 2019 (UTC).
 * From Ministry for the Environment
 * From the Zero Carbon Act page
 * From Stuff
 * From The Spinoff
 * Definitely worth doing. I suggest that the common name is Zero Carbon Bill, but obviously you'd also mention the official name (Climate Change Response (Zero Carbon) Amendment Bill). I'm time-poor at the moment so won't be much help. Happy to cast my eye over things once it's been progressed.  Schwede 66  02:53, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

Christchurch Wikipedia events coming up
I'm based in Christchurch until June 9 and am organising some public events folks might be interested in attending, either in person or remotely.


 * Fri 17 May, 13:00–14:00: "How to vandalise Wikipedia". A1 Lecture Theatre, University of Canterbury, Ilam, Christchurch
 * Sun 19 May, 12:00–17:00: "NZ Artists edit-a-thon", Christchurch Art Gallery
 * Mon 20 May, 13:00–16:00: "Hands-on Wikipedia". 388 Puaka-James Hight Library, University of Canterbury, Ilam. UC staff and students.
 * Wed 29 May, 18:00 on: Christchurch Wikipedians Meetup. Smash Palace, 172 High Street.
 * Wed 5 June, 17:30–19:00: "What Wikipedia Means for Libraries and Archives". Hao Room at Te Hāpua Halswell Centre, 341 Halswell Road, Christchurch
 * Fri 7 June, 12:00–13:00: "From Popper to Ruby Jones: image copyrights in the age of Wikipedia." A3 Lecture Theatre, University of Canterbury, Ilam, Christchurch
 * Fri 7 June, 17:00 on: Wikidrinks. Space Academy, 371 St Asaph St
 * Sat 8 June, 10:30–16:00: "Getting New Zealand Writers into Wikipedia" Tūranga, Cathedral Square, Christchurch. $10 tickets sold as part of Word Christchurch.

There's also likely to be a Wikipedia meetup to discuss forming a NZ Wikipedia user group on May 29, venue to be confirmed Added this to the list. For more information and more events see the Wikipedian at Large events calendar.

—Giantflightlessbirds (talk) 23:02, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
 * One of the main points of the 29 May meeting is to set up a New Zealand user group; hence Wikipedians outside of Christchurch may have an interest in the meeting, too. Jump onto the Christchurch Wikipedians meetup page to share your thoughts.  Schwede 66  01:43, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

"Coromandel Peninsula" or "The Coromandel": Discussion at Talk:Coromandel_Peninsula
Over the past couple of months, three editors -, , and - have been been making edits to the Coromandel Peninsula page, seeking to name the area "The Coromandel" rather than "Coromandel Peninsula". Each time, I (and others) have reverted these edits, arguing that the page refers to a geographical feature - named "Coromandel Peninsula" - and therefore it should continue to be named as such.

However, these editors have recently posted arguments for their position on the Talk page: Talk:Coromandel_Peninsula. While I'm not sure that I agree with them, I've decided to step aside and let other NZ editors weigh in (for or against), to try to establish a consensus position. Ross Finlayson (talk) 06:10, 19 June 2019 (UTC)

What's holding you back? Feedback request!
Kia ora koutou. I'm attending the Asia-Pacific Wikimedia Strategy Summit next weekend and would love to have some input from NZ Wikipedians to present on your behalf. The main questions for discussion seem to be: If people prefer to discuss off this page, please send me an email. MurielMary (talk) 09:40, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
 * What held you back or stopped you from moving forward in your work?
 * For each case, what would need to change in the movement structures to help you?

Operation Burnham
Hi there,

One article that has escaped the scope of WikiProject New Zealand is Operation Burnham, which deals with the NZSAS raid in Afghanistan and the official inquiry into Operation Burnham. I have added the template to its talk page. Can someone please assess the article. Andykatib 23:24, June 25, 2019 (UTC)

ACG Education - UP Education
Just a heads-up that https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ACG_Education needs an update. The company has split into ACG Schools and UP Education. Not too sure what the best way to handle this is. A comment has been added to the talk page that links to a press release that explains what has happened. 103.224.161.162 (talk) 21:28, 26 June 2019 (UTC)