Wikipedia:Not The Wikipedia Weekly/Episode 41/Planning

Recorded 31 March 2009.

Participants:
 * Robert Cummings, author of Lazy Virtues: Teaching Writing in the Age of Wikipedia
 * User:Awadewit
 * User:Ragesoss
 * User:John Broughton
 * User:Durova
 * User:AEG English4994

Relevant links

 * Inside Higher Ed - Opinion piece by Robert Cummings, with ensuing discussion among academics and others. The commenter who suggests Cummings be brought up for tenure review is Jon Awbrey, a banned former Wikipedian who comments on many Wikipedia-related stories in a similarly negative vein.
 * The Color Purple (film) (Wikirank statistics for the book and film articles, grokstats statistics for the film)
 * Durova's link - Potential restorations
 * Robert said in chat: "I would suggest that anyone who would like to author content on Wiki/Wikipedia writing assignments, who needs/wants academic credit for peer review of those contributions, consider: http://writingspaces.org/ "

=Planning=

Based on Awadewit's suggestion here, this is the organizing page for a podcast discussion of using Wikipedia as a teaching tool, particularly with editing assignments for students.

Interest list

 * Bob Cummings, author of Lazy Virtues: Teaching Writing in the Age of Wikipedia
 * User:Awadewit
 * User:Ragesoss
 * User:John Broughton
 * User:Bondegezou
 * User:Durova
 * User:Jbmurray?
 * User:JimmyButler
 * T. Mills Kelly
 * User:AEG English4994
 * your name here

Logistics
Later this week might be a good time to hold this discussion. Any preferred times or times that generally don't work?
 * Preferred times: Afternoon and evenings, EST
 * : Unfortunately my work hours are a tad long, 7:00AM - 7:30PM EST; however, if there is an opening I would be delighted to share. If not, then perhaps my students would offer an interesting perspective on such projects. I have two in mind; one that has reached FA and another currently dealing with the frustrations. Both are articulate - both would offer honest insights.

Also, we need someone with podcast experience to do the recording. Volunteers?

Potential times

 * Tuesday night, March 31/April 1: 00:30 UTC ( 8:30 PM EST; 5:30 PM PST)
 * Works for me.--ragesoss (talk) 20:02, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Me too. Awadewit (talk) 21:24, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry - As of the 30 of April March my second job starts, which carries me through 9:45 PM. Other than Sunday - I work from 7:00 AM until 9:45 PM. Maybe it is best to count me out - at least until my daughter finishes college four years from now.--JimmyButler (talk) 13:44, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
 * This is 31 March, though. Awadewit (talk) 04:07, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
 * oops - I thought this was April --- working two full time jobs is taking a toll! We start driving from 3:00 - 9:00 Monday (March 30).--JimmyButler (talk) 20:44, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Would it be possible to move it up a couple of hours? I might have interruptions that late in the day.  Durova Charge! 05:09, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
 * That works for me. I proposed it that late in an attempt to accommodate JimmyButler, but that's moot now.  22:30 UTC March 31?--ragesoss (talk) 05:23, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm fairly flexible on this - 22:30 UTC (6:30 p.m. EST) works for me. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 12:03, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
 * March 31st at 6:30 p.m. EST works for me. AEG English4994 (talk) 14:29, 28 March 2009 (UTC)AEG English4994
 * Perfect. :) Durova Charge! 16:19, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Works for me, too. Awadewit (talk) 16:34, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I think that's roughly a quorum. I'll let Mills Kelly and Robert Cummings know.--ragesoss (talk) 17:47, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Topics for discussion

 * Lazy Virtues: Teaching Writing in the Age of Wikipedia
 * Lazyness
 * Using theory to understand Wikipedia (economic theory, rhetorical theory, other possibilities)
 * Student attitudes to Wikipedia
 * Teacher attitudes to Wikipedia
 * What works, what doesn't and why
 * Sample assignments and the benefits of each to students and to Wikipedia
 * "Home-base" for assignments - on or off wiki?
 * Using wiki software to create assignments apart from Wikipedia
 * whatever you want to discuss

Report on discussion
I just found out about this discussion. If you had an interesting discussion, perhaps you could include a short report in the Signpost? I think the usefulness of Wikipedia in schools is a topic of wide interest. Best regards, -- Ssilvers (talk) 21:32, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm going to point to this discussion when we publish the in-progress reviews of Lazy Virtues.--ragesoss (talk) 23:25, 20 April 2009 (UTC)