Wikipedia:Notice board for Israel-related topics/Archive3

Sandberg Prize
For whom is the Sandberg Prize named? Is it Mordecai Sandberg? I could not find any information about this in English. If it's named for him, that should be added to the article with a good reference (one in Hebrew would be OK if it's not documented anywhere in English). Also, since he lived in Israel for a significant part of his life, the Hebrew spelling of his name would be welcome. Thanks. --Reuben (talk) 17:54, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Can you tell more about the prize? I found a story from Haaretz that tells one Willem Sandberg (וילם סנדברג) was once a dominant art advisor in the Israel Museum. trespassers william (talk) 15:54, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Here http://www.bezalel.ac.il/en/about/supporters/prizes/ Search Sandberg Prize on the page

History of Israeli Nationality
Finding the new article bot exposes a massive amount of articles needing improvement or otherwise dubious notability. This extensive new article, reads like an essay. Who would have noticed it? --Shuki (talk) 20:01, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Israel Palestine Collaboration
Following the recent ArbCom case, we've set up a new WikiProject Israel Palestine Collaboration. While the WikiProject is still developing, our goals are to promote a more hospitable editing environment for Israeli-Palestinian topics; quiet the battleground among editors; help prevent or resolve POV disputes; and mobilize Project members to work together to improve articles.

We'd like to see a broad range of participation from WIkipedia editors, from all points of view and from various editing and admin interests. So, please join this WikiProject as a member and help it make a difference with the articles in this topic area. Let me know if you have any questions or suggestions for the WikiProject, too. Thanks very much. HG | Talk 02:20, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Afd
Editors of the article Israel and the European Union may be interested in this. Squash Racket (talk) 15:45, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Jerusalem as part of 'Arab states'
Please have a look at the discussion over at List of World Heritage Sites in the Arab States - where some editors insist we list the Old City of Jerusalem in this list, despite the clear efforts of UNESCO to avoid listing it as being part of any state -Arab or Isreal. Canadian Monkey (talk) 05:35, 9 March 2008 (UTC)


 * What do I have to do, CM, upload a screenshot of the site? Go to http://whc.unesco.org/pg.cfm?cid=31&l=en&&&mode=table&order=region, scroll down to "Old City of Jerusalem and its Walls", note the "Region" listed as "ARB," as I've already told you at least twice already. Gahhhhh.... &lt;eleland/talkedits&gt; 05:41, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
 * What you have to do is answer a simple question: Which Arab state does UNESCO claim this site is in? One word would do. Canadian Monkey (talk) 05:54, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
 * The specific state name is not listed, likely because it is not clear whether it is Jordan or the Palestinian National Authority who will oversee the site after final status negotiations. It is however clear that the region is listed as "ARB", unlike the Old City of Acre and Tel Aviv which are listed as "EUR" (Europe) and the state as "IL" (Israel). Eleland's footnote explaining the issue is NPOV and appropriate. I don't understand why we should ignore that UNESCO lists the site as part of the Arab region. That seems rather significant, no?  T i a m u t talk 11:35, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
 * The specific name is not listed, becuase the official UNESCO position is that it is not in nay state. In the future, it might someday be in Jordan, or in a Palestinian state, or, as is more likely per recent proposal, in Israel. Your comment regarding Acre and Tel Aviv is actually quite illuminating with regards to this discussion. If you look at List of World Heritage Sites in Europe, you will not see either one of these, nor will you see Masada, any of the biblical Tels or the Nabatean cities. This is not because some anti-Israeli bigot removed them,  but rather for the mundane reason that the list is called List of World Heritage Sites in Europe, and UNESCO's listing of Tel Aviv in the "EUR" region does not magically change geography and move Tel Aviv or Acre into Europe. Similarly, UNESCO's listing of Old Jerusalem in the "ARB" region does not magically change geography or decide legal issues, and certainly does not override UNESCO"s own stated position that by accepting the Jordanian application, it is not making any political statement and is not deciding anything with regards to sovereignty. Canadian Monkey (talk) 15:29, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
 * It appears that Eleland has unilaterally decided that you were wrong, right after you brought this up. I think we should involve more editors in this discussion, and that Eleland acted incorrectly, although I will not revert his edit yet. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 18:39, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Requesting review
This isn't a request for FA peer review, but a friendly peer review from other editors regarding an article I recently expanded and would like to nominate for GA. The article is Arad, Israel. You may post comments here or on the talk page of the article (create a talk section there please). Thanks, Ynhockey (Talk) 18:52, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Second intifada
I wanted to wikify the Template:Campaignbox Second Intifada, and found both 2007-2008 Israel-Gaza conflict and 2008 Israel-Gaza conflict. I posted messages on their talkpages suggesting a partial merge, but they were not answered as yet. Then there's also Israel-Gaza conflict and Violence in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict 2008, and maybe others as well. Some are pretty messy not quite updated - none mention Mercaz HaRav massacre, for instance. Any ideas? -- Nudve (talk) 04:48, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I think that 2006, 2007, 2008 etc. articles for the Israel-Gaza conflict are not necessary. IMO, there should only be 3 categories of article:
 * 1) Israel-Gaza conflict, the most important article outlining the conflict and including info from the current 2006-8 versions
 * 2) YYYY in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, which would be more like a timeline, similar to other YYYY in X articles common on Wikipedia.
 * 3) Individual notable event articles, like Operation Hot Winter and Mercaz HaRav Massacre
 * All other articles are IMO not necessary and should be merged. Thanks for bringing up this issue to the attention of other editors on WP:Israel, and hopefully we will introduce order into this series of articles.
 * -- Ynhockey (Talk) 13:53, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
 * You're probably right. That might take a lot of work, though. Perhaps we should notice WP:Palestine as well? anyway, in the meantime, do you suggest we remove the YYYY links from the Gaza section of the campaignbox and just leave the operations? -- Nudve (talk) 14:28, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, that would be fine. Other than notifying WP Palestine, please notify other Israeli editors, because from my experience, most of them don't follow this page. I wonder if Tewfik is still active, he used to edit this kind of articles a lot. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 15:22, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
 * OK. Which editors? I won't notify the entire list of members. I'll post a notice on the talk page, maybe it will find a bigger audience. -- Nudve (talk) 15:33, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm trying to reach Tewfik by e-mail now, because he doesn't seem to be active on Wikipedia since December 2007. He would be the ideal user to perform these tasks. Right now I think the only other Israeli users who edit conflict-related articles are Michael Safyan and Jaakobou. The others have given up I think because of the numerous disputes in these articles. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 15:44, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
 * We're all on the brink of giving up, Ynhockey. But in terms of Israeli editors who still do edit conflict-related articles, you forgot to mention Number 57, Zeq, Leifern, Itzse, Humus Sapiens, Yahel Guhan, and IronDuke, to name a few. Hope that helps.  T i a m u t talk 16:43, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't tend to edit the conflict-related articles beyond occasional corrections/formatting (largely due to the reason and editors mentioned by Ynhockey), but I would also agree that a merger between the three Gaza conflict articles is a good idea, and with Ynhockey on the rest of the stuff (aside from bringing back Tewfik - I was quite glad when his contributions ended, as I'm afraid that he was not entirely capable of stickig to NPOV). Posting this at WT:Israel might elicit a greater response too. пﮟოьεԻ   5  7  20:34, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Hebrew naming conventions (again)
Yes, we're back on that subject again - after nearly 3 years of trying fruitlessly to create this important guideline for Wikipedia, and in fact operating by an unwritten draft thereof for a couple years now, I've finally formulated a final draft which seems to encompass the general consensus. Just notifying everyone about it (link: Naming conventions (Hebrew) (WP:HE)). If there are no major objections, we can finally turn this into an actual guideline, wow! -- Ynhockey (Talk) 21:23, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Image copyright
If any WP:israel members are interested, I uploaded a series of PD domain images from 1897 under the pre-1923 rule, but that does not let them be uploaded into the commons. I'd like to get them uploaded there, but I cannot figure out the copyright law of these images (for Switzerland [except the first one, which is Germany and 1898)). If anyone would like to look at it, be my guest. Epson291 (talk) 11:47, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Image:Second Zionist Congress.jpg

and

Image:Delegates at First Zionist Congress.jpg Image:Congress Hall (ZO) (1897).jpg Image:Participant card at the First Zionist Congress.jpg Image:The 'Basel Program'.jpg Image:Symbol of the First Congress.jpg

copyvio and merge

 * Nahal Charedi A merge was suggested last year, but the outcome is virtually certain since the page is copyvio. --Shuki (talk) 08:19, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Pro-Israel
I don't think this is a legit page. Is their anything comparable elsewhere? --Shuki (talk) 20:56, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree. I'd nominate it for deletion. -- Nudve (talk) 04:31, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

CfD nomination of Category:Jewish astronauts
Category:Jewish astronauts, has been nominated for deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. --Kaaveh (talk) 19:38, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Israeli-Arab
I figure this issue could use wider community observation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2008_May_7#Category:Arab_Citizens_of_Israel

Personally, I'm not aware that "Arab citizen of Israel" is a used/common term, but you might feel otherwise. Anyways, I figured this needs some more notice.  Jaakobou Chalk Talk  13:24, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Draft Guidelines for Lists of companies by country - Feedback Requested
Within WikiProject Companies I am trying to establish guidelines for all Lists of companies by country, the implementation of which would hopefully ensure a minimum quality standard and level of consistency across all of these related but currently disparate articles. The ultimate goal is the improvement of these articles to Featured List status. As a WikiProject that currently has one of these lists within your scope, I would really appreciate your feedback! You can find the draft guidelines here. Thanks for your help as we look to build consensus and improve Wikipedia! - Richc80 (talk) 21:54, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Letter of British Jews on 60th anniversary of Israel
I've nominated the page for deletion here. Feel free to comment. Epson291 (talk) 08:15, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Deleted. Thanks. --Shuki (talk) 21:13, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

CfD nomination of Category:Crime in the West Bank and Gaza Strip
Category:Crime in the West Bank and Gaza Strip has been nominated for deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. -- Avi (talk) 18:31, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Roi Rutenberg
This article has a long unsourced euology by Moshe Dayan on it. A source I found online said: "Moshe Dayan, eulogy after Roi Rutenberg at Kibbutz Nahal Oz, 1956, quoted in Uri Avneri, Israel Without Zionists: A Plan for Peace in the Middle East, New York: Collier Books, Macmillan, 1974, p. 154" I was wondering if anyone can help to verify the words from that text or any other text. I posted a little more info on the talk page. (Jewish Virtual Library is a Wikipedia mirror.) gren グレン 08:15, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Jewish Virtual Library is not a Wikipedia mirror. גרב (talk) 10:02, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I should have been more clear. This article on the Jewish Virtual library is a Wikipedia mirror. gren グレン 10:29, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

The Return to Zion / Gathering of Israel
Two OR based articles now exist. Legit subject, needs major work. --Shuki (talk) 21:17, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
 * The Return to Zion could use a lot of work, although I think it's more within the scope (and expertise) of WP:JH.
 * As for Gathering of Israel however, I'm afraid it might be unsalvageable: It relies completely on a pro-Israel propaganda site, and is an inappropriate mixture of biblical prophecies with modern Israeli history. I'd propose deletion. -- Nudve (talk) 05:44, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Muhammad_al-Durrah
Is the belief that the death of Al-Dura was staged, a fringe or conspiracy view? How much weight is WP:UNDUE for that theory? Should there be any difference in presentation of the article in light of recent French court case that found for Karsenty? Please check out this page at Fringe theories/Noticeboard -- then please be sure to check out Talk:Muhammad_al-Durrah Tundrabuggy (talk) 04:03, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Tantura massacre
I think the stub Tantura massacre could use some attention. -- SEWilco (talk) 19:14, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

wp:Naming_conventions_%28identity%29
This article has set up as a Wikipedia naming convention, the contention that the Arab citizens of Israel are an indigenous peoples that wish to be referred to as Palestinians. Tundrabuggy (talk) 03:39, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Voting on deletion of article Allegations of Israeli Apartheid going on now
Please check it out and vote: here: WP:Articles_for_deletion/Allegations_of_Israeli_apartheid_%288th_nomination%29Tundrabuggy (talk) 20:43, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Help with Hebrew spelling
I've just added a short article on an Israeli-built aircraft, the IAI Searcher. The article that I split it off from gave its Hebrew name as Meyromit - "High Flier". Could somebody here please transliterate Meyromit for me back to the Hebrew alphabet? I thought it might be מירמת - am I close?. Cheers --Rlandmann (talk) 22:30, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
 * It's "מרומית". The "high ...er" translation may be ok, but the word has a more specific meaning - a certain bird, apparently from the Chlidonias genus ( http://www.ynet.co.il/yaan/0,7340,L-238520-PreYaan,00.html ). Some foreign sources do refer to Searcher as 'Meyromit" ( http://www.janes.com/extracts/extract/juav/juav1299.html ). However, I've yet to see a hebrew source that mentions the name. The official IAF name for Searcher is "Hugla" ("חוגלה", Alectoris). Bukvoed (talk) 07:50, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Many thanks for your help! --Rlandmann (talk) 13:48, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Jerusalem FAR
Due to massive problems of accuracy, neutrality, and comprehensiveness, I've initiated a Featured Article Review; you can comment here. &lt;eleland/talkedits&gt; 22:54, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Allegations & Analogies & Apartheid
Is it really appropriate or necessary to have two of these inflammatory articles? Israel and the apartheid analogy / Allegations of apartheid? It strikes me that UN Res 181 requires that Israel honor and respect the language culture and religion of the local Arab population, thus in a sense the UN requires an "apartheid" or "separation" of the two cultures. As for the issue of the "apartheid" or "separation" wall, we have that throughout the world, Saudis/Yemen, Egypt/Gaza, US/Mexico Tundrabuggy (talk) 15:27, 3 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Ironic. "Allegations of Apartheid" was created by "pro-Israel" editors, to sort of deflect from the Israel issue by saying, "Hey, look! Everybody gets accused of apartheid, so it's not really serious, is it?" Your argument about UN 181 is at least original, although it has nothing to do with anything. Anyway yes, "allegations of apartheid" should be deleted, as there are no sources that actually discuss "allegations of apartheid" as an issue in itself, there is just a scraping of various academic / political sources which happen to use the word "apartheid" in passing as an epithet describing this or that nasty situation. (If anybody can find something like an academic monograph called "Apartheid: The 'A-Word' in Activist Discourse" I could be convinced otherwise.) &lt;eleland/talkedits&gt; 17:43, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I am sorry you can't appreciate the significance of UN181 in relation to concepts of "apartheid," but no matter. I would suggest that the apartheid system in most Arab countries visa vis Jews would be an improvement from the current situation, which currently is more like an ethnic cleansing. In what ways do Jews enjoy the same rights in Arab countries as Arabs do in Israel, in particular in what is now referred to as Palestine, or perhaps Jordan, for example?  Why then do we discuss "apartheid" in Israel but not in Arab countries?  It strikes me as a major contradiction and double standard.  At any rate, I don't think this is the place to further the discussion because the argument has been amply chewed over in the archives of the two articles, and this is a noticeboard.  If you care to continue, feel free to continue at my talk page, though I will be out the better part of the day.  Tundrabuggy (talk) 14:16, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

AfD

 * FYI : Articles for deletion/Palestinian Exodus 1949 to 1956 Ceedjee (talk) 09:08, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

OT-64 SKOT
Do Israeli sources mention the use of captured OT-64 SKOT armored persomel carriers by the IDF? Mieciu K (talk) 10:27, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

AfD -- 'Racism and Zionism'

 * FYI : Articles_for_deletion/Racism_and_Zionism -- Tundrabuggy (talk) 01:21, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Help request: 417 Israel-related articles needing geographical coordinates
Based on a search of Wikipedia's articles related to Israel, I've found some articles that I believe are about places in Israel, and could usefully have geographical coordinates added.

The articles in question are listed in Category:Israel articles missing geocoordinate data. At the time of writing, some examples included:
 * 1) Drom HaSharon Regional Council
 * 2) Fatima Gate
 * 3) Israeli National Maritime Museum
 * 4) Kamanneh
 * 5) Kfar Brandeis
 * 6) Maoz Haim
 * 7) Neiel

...and there are many more, as well. At the time of posting this notice, there were 417 articles in this category needing geographical coordinates.

Why add coordinates?
By adding coordinates, a Wikipedia reader can easily view the location on a street map, nautical chart, topographic map, by satellite photo, realtime weather map, and in many other ways. Coordinate data makes an article eventually appear in various services such as Google Maps' Wikipedia overlay, Google Earth, and Wikipedia's own internal map service. Coordinate data also helps readers looking for geographically-based data, such as locations near a reference point, or related information.

How can I do it?
The articles are all marked with coord missing tags, which need to be replaced with coord tags that contain the location's latitude/longitude coordinates; or you might be able to add coordinates to an existing infobox. You can find out how to do this at the Geocoding how-to for WikiProject members.

Please let me know if this is useful, or if I can help in any way. -- The Anome (talk) 22:39, 26 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I was going to add these coordinates, but didn't have enough time. I'll get around to it sometime soon. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 22:43, 26 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Thank you! -- The Anome (talk) 02:42, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Rashid Khalidi and the PLO
I have made what I believe to be is a fair, accurate, well sourced description of both sides of the controversy here Rashid Khalidi. I would appreciate your input here Talk:Rashid Khalidi. Thank you. -- Avi (talk) 20:54, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

RfC on Rashid Khalidi
Comments would be appreciated after reviewing the evidence here: Talk:Rashid Khalidi. Thank you. -- Avi (talk) 20:50, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Hummus
Request that editors review a number of recent additions to the Hummus article; specifically references to Israel in the Serving methods section. While most of the information is legitimately sourced, there is some question over whether the extensive use of quotes (and the sources of those quotes, ie: Joseph Massad etc) is causing the article to take on a bias tone, and effectively violate WP:NPOV. --Nsaum75 (talk) 02:50, 2 December 2008 (UTC)


 * The Hummus article is biased? You are kidding, right? You have a strange sense of hum mus or. Tundrabuggy (talk) 02:53, 2 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately its been quite active; even winning a spot on the list of Lamest edit wars . I never thought mashed chickpeas could be politicized, but they have. --Nsaum75 (talk) 02:56, 2 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Hummus has been protected until 5 Dec. 08, due to an edit war and issues under the Israel-Palestine Arbitration case. Among things being debated are: 1) the correct terminology for Palestine 2) whether or not to include sourced info that refers to Israel's adoption of hummus as the "Zionist Enterprise's" attempt to reject food from the Diaspora and 3) whether or not mention should be made of sourced info that states Jews adopted hummus because they wanted to forget their "Humiliating past in Europe" . Please feel free to join in on the discussion on the Hummus Talk page. --Nsaum75 (talk) 05:44, 4 December 2008 (UTC)