Wikipedia:Notice board for Palestine-related topics/Archive 1

Announcements

 * State of Palestine contains a wide variety of factual errors, mainly relating to the PNA, and anachronisms or errors regarding the PLO. I have tried to fix these but have been reverted. I'm going to leave it be but if anyone else has the time or patience they may wish to take a look at it. Palmiro | Talk 01:43, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Hi again, this template has been proposed for deletion, please make sure this does not happen so it can be worked on. Templates_for_deletion Thanks Pockets23 18:08, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
 * There is a proposal to move Great Uprising to Arab Revolt (Palestine, 1948). Discussion on Talk:Great Uprising. Palmiro | Talk 12:55, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
 * A large number of articles relating to Palestinian figures and organizations are coming under sustained POV attacks, note in particular Rashid Khalidi, as well as . The problem largely relates to a relatively new but very active user: Palmiro | Talk 23:14, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Using fully sourced material is not a POV attack. Your blanking on the page constitutes vandalism actually and you should stop. Amoruso 23:28, 20 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Palestinian exodus - inclusion of a large number of unsourced quotations, some obviously fabricated, others having no relevance. --Ian Pitchford 22:36, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Articles for deletion/List of massacres committed during the 1948 Arab-Israeli war - name speaks for itself
 * Talk:Deir Yassin massacre I would appreciate comments on whether a book written by the propaganda chief of one terrorist group (the Irgun) and distributed by another, the JDL qualifies as a reliable source. --Ian Pitchford 09:06, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Talk:Palestinian exodus As above. --Ian Pitchford 09:06, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
 * User:Guy Montag has moved Deir Yassin Massacre to Battle of Deir Yassin. There is now a survey about the move here. Regards, Huldra 12:08, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Also see Wikipedia talk:Central discussions/Apartheid. Due to some confusion, there are polls in both places.  --John Nagle 04:41, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Central discussions/Apartheid - there are a series of polls in progress on merging Israeli apartheid with other articles. 72.60.226.29 02:25, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Amin al-Husayni: I would welcome comments on the issues summarized here. --Ian Pitchford 11:22, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Articles on Israeli settlements: some users are taking the view that East Jerusalem settlements should be described as "Jerusalem neighborhoods". See, for example, http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pisgat_Ze%27ev&action=history. Any ideas on how this should be dealt with or if there is any centralised point at which it could be raised? Palmiro | Talk 12:46, 18 May 2006 (UTC)


 * New Yahoo Group: Wikipedians for Palestine The group is described as "for Wikipedians working to combat anti-Palestinian and pro-Zionist bias in the English language version of Wikipedia." Please spread the word.--DieWeibeRose 07:59, 31 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Government post Palestinian legislative election, 2006: I'd like to add a article/section on the new government that's forming. Can anyone suggest where's the best place to put it? Are there any precedents/naming conventions I can copy? Should it just be a section in the legislative elections article, a linked article or what? AndrewRT 17:49, 30 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Jack Abramoff's Connection to Israel-Palestine: I would like some help in keeping the facts about Abramoff's 'active Zionism' accurate and in the article. See also the relevant Talk and Mediation Cabal pages.--DieWeibeRose 08:11, 16 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Palestinian nationalism: I have completely rewritten, off the top of my head in a very inadequate way and without references, as an emergency measure to replace an article that was close to nonsense and filled with POV. It needs to be looked at with care, preferably by as many people as possible...Palmiro | Talk 21:06, 13 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Israeli West Bank barrier: I need help reasoning with User:Zeq - he continuously keeps reverting valid information for the sole reason that he doesn't like the source (the PLO Negotiation Affairs Department]) which has a comprehensive fact sheet about the wall based in Israeli and international human rights organizations, in English. He claims that it is an unacceptable source for WP and insists in keeping out anything it says, including that Qalqilya is a city of 45,000. Ramallite (talk) 20:00, 2 October 2005 (UTC)


 * I undeleted Palestinian immigration (Israel) b/c despite some of the problems raised, it is unique in covering two things: migration of Palestinians back to Israel and particularly the forms that took 1948-1956. I would propose that we extend it to include all Palestinian migration inwards to Green Line-demarcated Israel (1948-67 boundaries, but covering the period since 1948). New sections would cover Israeli immigration law, refer to the right of return, etc. The primary reason I restored it however is that Palestinian infiltration redirected to Palestinian political violence, while the overwhelming majority of Palestinian border crossers were either peacefully returning to their homes or engaged in apolitical activities. They should be covered in this article..--Carwil 19:30, 4 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I just stumbled upon upon the mini-article Regional racism, which states that Hamas and the Cornwall Liberation Front are "known alleged local regionally racist groups". The article is almost single-handedly created and edited by one user with a blank userpage and only that single contribution (plus a link to it), and has no sources, so it's probably very biased to his/her own POV. Guess that the people around here can judge better than I can. Regards, --Sugaar 03:49, 19 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Have created a template for Palestinian related stuff Template:Palestine. Hopefully it will connect a lot of the articles out there and make it easier to navigate. Please help! See talk page Template_talk:Palestine


 * I'm surprised that there is no article on Hannan Ashwari. -- Avi 14:23, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
 * My mistake on spelling (Hanan Ashrawi). Thanks, Tiamut. -- Avi 14:55, 11 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Saffuriya is being proposed for merger with Tzippori. Having heavily edited the Tzippori article myself to include information on Saffuriya and emphasize that it is the same place, I have supported the move. Please express your own opinions, which may be quite understandably completely different, at the page in question. Note too, that Wikiproject:Israel is flagging many pages that are also Palestine-related for its project work. As many of the pages in question cover Arab localities in Palestine 1948 where I reside, I have joined that group as well to ensure that "quality", "balanced" articles are produced there, as expressed in the objectives. I was wondering though if anyone would be interested in working out some kind of liaison process or drafting a proposed common policy for pages claimed by both groups since eventually standards drafted there or here will likely conflict or negate one another, and simply degenerate into massive edit wars. Kol sinni wa intu salmeen. Tiamut 10:19, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Template for Arabic script
I imported a template from the German wikipedia which makes Arabic script look nicer, as far as I can judge it who can barely read Arab letters. (Look at Arabic_language and Islam for examples of how it looks.) It is Template:Ar, with a variant Template:ArL. I propose that they be implemented thoroughout the English wikipedia so Arabic script becomes more readable. Perhaps a start would be for member of this noticeboard to use this template in the articles they are working on.

(This contribution is only loosely related to Palestine, but I don't know where else to announce it; feel free to move it where you think it is adequately placed.)--Robin.rueth 18:15, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
 * please use only Ar, not ArL. Please use ArabDIN for transliterations. See also Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Writing_systems. dab (&#5839;) 12:09, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

New articles

 * I created a new project page where new articles can be listed from now on. Please see Wikipedia:WikiProject Palestine/New articles. Letting others know about new articles exposes them to other editors to improve and contribute more information. I also suggest that if you find a new recent article (no need to list all related articles on WP), advise the editor to add it him/herself to the list as well. I tried to get the colours relevant, but that's not my forte. Of course a new format can be chosen, I just copied the same one that we use for now. Thanks and good luck. --Shuki 07:22, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Expansion requests

 * There's far too much red ink over at the List of Palestinian refugee camps. Let's try to create some stubs/expand the articles. --(Mingus ah um 01:22, 21 April 2006 (UTC))
 * Iran-Arab relations - This article needs some information on relations between the state of Palestine and Iran from the creation of Palestine onwards. Any other expansion would also be much appreciated...
 * Palestinian territories - This whole article, if it is to be the only article "allowed" to represent the country of Palestine, needs to be souped up with culture, geography, tourism, etc. That it is only an article about the political naming is absolutely pathetic and, in fact, offensive.
 * Church of the Nativity - Important Palestinian landmark. Ramallite (talk) 19:34, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I know this isn't really a Palestine-related request, but can somebody please complete the Islamic Calendar of 2005? It is very incomplete. --Munchkinguy 5 July 2005 01:38 (UTC)
 * Palestinian musicTiamut 20:25, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Palestinian costumes, I have started this article, but it is far, far from finished. It is really a wondeful and rich area, and the current article certainly does not give it the "credit due". Please work on it, if you can. It really is a great area to work with. (Best of all; I don´t think Shmuel Katz ever wrote a word about Palestinian costumes!! ;-D ). Due to non-Wikipedia causes I will probably not be much on Wikipedia in the near future. Regards, and best wishes to you all, Huldra 11:48, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Cleanup requests

 * History of Palestine - a hopelessly repetitive mess, with virtually no information on anything between Roman and British times. - Mustafaa 29 June 2005 18:39 (UTC)
 * No longer hopelessly repetitive, but much remains to be done, including merging Occupations of Palestine into it. Mustafaa 4 July 2005 16:24 (UTC)
 * Now merged; it's now merely at an ordinary level of gappiness instead of an incoherently repetitive olla podrida. Improvement still welcome, though. - Mustafaa 18:12, 16 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Gaza Strip
 * Good stuff - one comment - the article should mention its being part of the occupied territories, which is the primary identifying feature of its political geography - I've put a note on the talk page.Palmiro 11:05, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
 * While the article could still use some work, I think the article does a decent job at identifying the current Palestinian and Israeli positions regarding whether or not Gaza is still a part of the occupied territories (yes and no, respectively). --(Mingus ah um 01:30, 21 April 2006 (UTC))


 * Palestine Liberation Organization - Most "facts" at the article are wrongs and whole article can be used as part of PLO propaganda. Troll Refaim 14:40, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
 * I think you would be more interested in the Notice board for Israel-related topics ;).Heraclius 05:27, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

Useful Box
you can use this box in your page

Palestine-related Featured Articles
(hopefully!)

Cleaning up/Merging/Splitting Palestine related articles
Oops, already put this on the Palestine Portal discussion page. Want to suggest and get feedback on setting out a plan to make Palestinian-related articles easier to navigate. There are many discussions on the relevant pages but perhaps here we can organise better and get consensus on the best way forward. I've spent a lot of time navigating around these articles and there seems to be little connection between related topics. For example shouldn't PLO Executive Committee include the Politics of Palestine template (horizontal navigation bar). I would suggest using a country infobox for State of Palestine and a seperate template (horizontal navigation bar) with Palestine or Palestinian territories as its main page to include geography, history, demographics etc. There could be endless arguments about what should and should not be attached to the State of Palestine page so I think until there is a viable Palestinian state then the best thing to do is to make Palestine or Palestinian territories the starting point. Pockets23 10:52, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Active Palestinian Wikipedians

 * Ramallite (talk) 20:37, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Heraclius 21:17, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Tiamut 08:50, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Amjra 20:46, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

See also: WikiProject Palestine Membership list

Other active contributors on Palestine-related topics
Feel free to add or remove yourself from this list.


 * Thameen
 * Mustafaa (sometimes...)
 * Jove Is Mad(talk)
 * Zero
 * Marc Mywords - focused on arts & culture
 * Lawati
 * Mingus ah um
 * Tewfik - geography, history, culture (all dependent on free time)
 * User:A student of history - history and conflict
 * User:Pockets23(talk)
 * RolandR

See also: WikiProject Palestine Membership list

NPOV
this is an article about the involvement of the minors in Palestine in the suicide operations. it is written in an extreme POV, and there seems to be a persistant effort by some propagandists to keep it in their POV. Help needed.
 * Palestinian homeland
 * Child_suicide_bombers_in_the_Israeli-Palestinian_conflict
 * Iman Darweesh Al Hams
 * Gaza Strip
 * West Bank
 * Palestinian Territories
 * Deir Yassin massacre
 * Resistance_to_Israeli_Occupation
 * Timeline of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict - This page suffers from serious bias and POV pushing.
 * Violence in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict