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1995 Pacific Grand Prix

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 * A script has been used to generate a semi-automated review of the article for issues relating to grammar and house style; it can be found on the automated peer review page for August 2008.

This peer review discussion has been closed. I've listed this article for peer review because I think it can become a featured article. It is similar to the 1995 Japanese Grand Prix article, which recently became an FA. Thanks, D.M.N. (talk) 13:38, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Comments Hope these comments help. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:15, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I'd consider merging the first two sentences since the second is a little stilted.
 * Not sure how I'd be able to merge it without losing the flow of it. D.M.N. (talk) 17:11, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
 * "race" gets four mentions in the first para of the lead, a bit too much.
 * Removed one of the mentions - changed a part too: "David Coulthard, who started the Grand Prix from pole position,..." D.M.N. (talk) 17:11, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
 * " Hill, as a result, ..." = "As a result, Hill..."
 * Done. D.M.N. (talk) 17:11, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
 * "with Schumacher dropped down to fifth" - "dropping" or "and Schumacher dropped..."
 * Changed to "and Schumacher dropped..." D.M.N. (talk) 17:11, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
 * "Schumacher managed to get past Alesi and Hill during the first of three pit stops, allowing him, on a new set of slick tyres to close on Coulthard, who was on a two stop strategy." - this sentence needs work. A few too many clauses and commas for good reading.
 * The only feasable option, I think, is to split it into two sentences. It now reads: "Schumacher managed to get past Alesi and Hill during the first of three pit stops. This allowed him, on a new set of slick tyres, to close on Coulthard who was on a two stop strategy." - I've also changed the comma positions. D.M.N. (talk) 17:11, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
 * "to open a margin between the two of 21 seconds" - at what point? at the very end?  So maybe "to win by a margin of 21 seconds?"
 * I've changed it to: "Schumacher opened up a gap between the two of 21 seconds by lapping two seconds a lap faster than Coulthard, so that when his third stop came, he was still leading the race." - D.M.N. (talk) 17:11, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Reconfirm it was the 1995 Drivers Champion in that last line in the lead.
 * Done. D.M.N. (talk) 17:11, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't link "third round of the season" - instead I'd say "third round of the 1995 season
 * OK. Changed positioning of link.
 * "Only a maximum of 30 points were available for the remaining three races, which meant that Hill could still win the title." - why Only? If Hill could still win there's no real need for the Only there.
 * Yeah, guess so. Removed. D.M.N. (talk) 17:11, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
 * "third, fourth and fifth places were covered by three points:" not sure this is needed - the subsequent facts spell it out.
 * Agreed and removed. D.M.N. (talk) 17:11, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
 * "In the two weeks leading up to the race, there was heavy criticism towards, Damon Hill," -I think you need only one comma, the one after Hill.
 * Correct. Removed. D.M.N. (talk) 17:11, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Brundle's quote doesn't have quote marks or anything around it so it looks a little odd because the infobox and image squeeze it in - it appears as a normal paragraph rather than a quote.
 * Try and edit that section, and you'll see it's a quote. I have no idea why it's showing up like that. D.M.N. (talk) 17:11, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
 * "title—rival" - no em-dash here, just a hyphen.
 * Done (I think). D.M.N. (talk) 17:11, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
 * You use FIA as an abbreviation before abbreviating it.
 * Done. D.M.N. (talk) 17:11, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
 * "emphasied " -typo.
 * Fixed. D.M.N. (talk) 17:11, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
 * "The Benetton cars disappointed" - team, cars or cars and drivers? You're placing undue emphasis on the team/car here I think.
 * I'm talking about the car, but I've removed "disappointed" as that could be argued as POV. D.M.N. (talk) 17:11, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
 * "albeit two seconds off the pace." - why "albeit"?
 * Dunno. Removed "albeit". D.M.N. (talk) 17:11, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
 * "commenting on wasting a new set of" - wasting seems a little POV?
 * Good point. Changed to "commenting on using a new set of". D.M.N. (talk) 17:11, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
 * "from the dirty side of the track." - dirty side probably needs explanation for non-experts (I take it you mean the side opposite to the racing line?)
 * I've added a bit in brackets to explain. It now reads: " from the dirty side of the track (the side of the track that is opposite to the racing line)". D.M.N. (talk) 17:11, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
 * "only two positions behind team-mate Blundell" - two places?
 * Yep - same thing. Changed anyhow. D.M.N. (talk) 17:11, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
 * " 21 degrees celsius" - use the convert template for Imperial-ists...
 * Done (I think I've implemented it correctly). D.M.N. (talk) 17:11, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
 * "Coulthard converted his pole position to lead into " - pole position is lead so it wasn't converted. Perhaps you need to emphasise that he held his position at the front of the race?
 * I'm thinking something along the lines of "Coulthard, from his pole position slot on the grid, maintained his position at the front to lead into...." - Does that sound any better (note: I haven't yet put it into the article). D.M.N. (talk) 17:11, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Maybe something like "Coulthard, from pole position on the grid, held onto the lead into..."? more concise but captures everything you're saying?  The Rambling Man (talk) 17:17, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that sounds better. Reworded to your suggestion. ;) D.M.N. (talk) 17:25, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
 * "were baulked by the " I'm not sure what you mean by this?
 * Changed to "held up". D.M.N. (talk) 17:11, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Don't link Benetton in Benetton pitcrew - the section of the article you link to isn't specific.
 * Changed. D.M.N. (talk) 17:11, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
 * The tables aren't sortable so I'm wondering if you need to relink repeats (like Williams, Renault etc).
 * Um. As it's the same sort of information, I guess there's a valid argument to remove the links in the race table per WP:OVERLINK. Do you think I should remove them? I'm leaning towards removing them. D.M.N. (talk) 17:11, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't see a need to embolden the top six finishers - they have points in the points column so it should be obvious. If you leave it like that then you ought to have a key.
 * I've removed the unneccessary bold. D.M.N. (talk) 17:11, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Any reason why Lap is capitalised in the second table?
 * Nope. Uncapitalised. D.M.N. (talk) 17:11, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Probably worth explaining to a non-expert what the Pos, No etc means.
 * TBH, I really think that is self-explanatory. D.M.N. (talk) 17:11, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
 * No need to bold Schuey or Benetton in the Standings section. It's obvious they're top.  Because they're at the top!
 * Removed bold. D.M.N. (talk) 17:11, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I may have missed it but did you mention this was the last running of the Pacific GP?
 * Ah, nope. Better mention that! =D D.M.N. (talk) 17:11, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks! =D D.M.N. (talk) 17:24, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Comments - My peer-reviewing services were requested on my talk page, so I've come to offer some pre-FAC advice. Hopefully this won't take as long as the last one. Hope this helps. The lead should be your primary concern, but overall it's in good shape. I actually think you have an advantage with this as compared to the other article, because this race sounds more exciting, giving you plenty to write about.  Giants2008  ( 17-14 ) 22:30, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Couple of problems with the lead: It serves as a race recap only and could summarize the whole article better. The pre-race, qualifying and post-race sections aren't represented at all. Also, the one-sentence paragraph at the end of the lead could be moved to the end of the first paragraph.
 * I've rejiged it a little bit, but I don't want to go into too much detail. I don't want to represent the pre-race and qualifying too much there, as the main attention of the article is quite rightly the race. D.M.N. (talk) 10:25, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Background: "Schumacher would be more than twenty points ahead of Hill with two races remaining." Should be 20, to match the others numbers nearby.
 * After looking at point 4 here, I've changed it. D.M.N. (talk) 10:25, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Citation required for the media's criticism of Damon Hill's driving.
 * Done. D.M.N. (talk) 10:25, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
 * "However, the Formula One's governing body, the FIA emphasised..." I think this would be tighter writing: "However, Formula One's governing body emphasised..." The last word is British English, correct?
 * Yeah. I've changed it to your version, seeing as how "the FIA" is mentioned a few lines earlier.
 * Practice and qualifying: Move the link for slick tyres up one line.
 * Done. D.M.N. (talk) 10:25, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Race: Repeated Jean-Christophe Boullion link. Also a repeat racing line link.
 * Fixed. D.M.N. (talk) 10:25, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
 * "Hill in third, who himself only a few tenths behind Alesi." Connector needed.
 * Added "was" between "himself" and "only". D.M.N. (talk) 10:25, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Give Autocourse link italics.
 * Done. D.M.N. (talk) 10:25, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
 * "Irvine was heading for eighth place, but made an unsecheduled pit stop..." I'm pretty sure this isn't British English.
 * Sounds OK to me. The only thing that I've changed was a typo for "unscheduled". D.M.N. (talk) 10:25, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Might be going into original research territory with this one, but how rare is it for a driver to come back from fifth to win a race? I don't know much about Formula One, but from what I've watched there is never much passing. Could be an interesting angle for the article.
 * It's not very rare for that particular season, mostly down to luck depending on which of the main runners retires from the race - in this case, it was a good strategic move to get Schumacher ahead. D.M.N. (talk) 10:25, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks! =D D.M.N. (talk) 10:25, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Comments from
 * You said you wanted to know what to work on before taking to FAC, so I looked at the sourcing and referencing with that in mind. I reviewed the article's sources as I would at FAC. The sourcing looks good.
 * Hope this helps. Please note that I don't watchlist Peer Reviews I've done. If you have a question about something, you'll have to drop a note on my talk page to get my attention. (My watchlist is already WAY too long, adding peer reviews would make things much worse.) 22:46, 22 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Did I? I can't recall making a note asking for a sources peer review. Anyway, thanks! D.M.N. (talk) 07:39, 23 August 2008 (UTC)