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4chan

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This peer review discussion has been closed. Hi. I've worked on this one for a few months, and it recently passed a GA nomination. I'd like feedback especially on the content (does it need to cover anything else? is there too much weight given to anything?) and the prose, obviously, with the aim of going to FAC at some point in the not too distant future. Many thanks in advance. —Giggy 04:45, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Comments from
 * You said you wanted to know what to work on before taking to FAC, so I looked at the sourcing and referencing with that in mind. I reviewed the article's sources as I would at FAC.
 * What makes the following sources reliable?
 * http://gawker.com/
 * The author, Nick Douglas, is one of the founders of Gawker.com. He's also worked for Valleywag and other Gawker Media sites. The San Francisco Chronicle notes Douglas in an article praising the journalistic quality of Gawker.com and its fellow enterprises (here). There were also rumours that Wired wanted to hire him (here). I think he has a reputation in the industry and is reliable. —Giggy 01:44, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
 * http://www.hhnlive.com/main
 * Hmm, haven't yet been able to find editorial standards or any endorsements of reliability. I'll keep looking. —Giggy 03:49, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Meanwhile, removed from article. —Giggy 10:22, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
 * http://www.vitalsecurity.org/
 * The author is well renowned in the industry (full details on linked page). —Giggy 01:44, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
 * http://www.justia.com/
 * It's a US legal database, I believe. —Giggy 01:44, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
 * And a casual Google News search shows how frequently it's cited. —Giggy 10:23, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
 * http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/07/07/28/1145204.shtml (And I say this as a person whos home page is set to slashdot...)
 * This particular piece was published by Rob Malda (CmdrTaco), the founder of Slashdot. I'd consider that pretty reliable (what are the chances of him publishing something that's crap?). —Giggy 01:44, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
 * http://www.internetnews.com/
 * Reliable source for... internet news (ironically!). Appears frequently as a source on sites such as CNET (Google/CNET search), eWeek (Google), Wired (Google), PC Magazine (Google). —Giggy 03:49, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Hope this helps. Please note that I don't watchlist Peer Reviews I've done. If you have a question about something, you'll have to drop a note on my talk page to get my attention. (My watchlist is already WAY too long, adding peer reviews would make things much worse.) 13:36, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Comments from :

Lead
 * "Launched on October 1, 2003 by "moot" ("Christopher Poole"), its boards are based primarily around the posting of pictures and discussion of Japanese comics and television shows." around-->on, and primarily should go before based.
 * Done. —Giggy 07:57, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I reworded the sentence a little bit further—diff—is that fine? Dabomb87 (talk) 01:12, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Yep, thanks! —Giggy 08:46, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * "4chan's '/b/' board, dedicated to random postings, is the most active and is notorious on the Internet; Gawker.com claimed in jest that 'reading /b/ will melt your brain'." "dedicated to random postings"—what does this mean?
 * Reworded a bit. Essentially, no very few rules on posting, and no set themes. —Giggy 07:57, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I did some further copyediting, and found one more instance of clarification needed: "4chan's "/b/" board is both active and notorious." What does active mean, and what is 4chan notorious for? Addressing these nitpicks now will save time at FAC. Dabomb87 (talk) 01:12, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Reworded. —Giggy 08:58, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Layout
 * "However, the pornographic content hosted on 4chan makes it difficult to advertise, with few businesses wanting to be associated with the site's content." A bit awkward, try: "However, the pornographic content hosted on 4chan has detered businesses—who do not want to be associated with the site's content—from advertising." I'm sure there's a better way to rephrase the sentence than my suggestion, though.
 * I like that suggestion. I removed the dashes and used it. —Giggy 07:57, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I think that the dashes may have to be included to reduce vagueness. However, it's your call. Dabomb87 (talk) 01:12, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * "4chan has been labeled as the starting point of the Anonymous meme by The Baltimore City Paper,[17] due to the norm of posts being made with the "Anonymous" moniker." "being" is unnecessary; "made" should probably be changed to "signed".
 * Done. —Giggy 07:57, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
 * "The 'random' board, /b/, follows in the design of Futaba Channel's Nijiura board."
 * Done. —Giggy 07:57, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
 * "Certain post numbers, such as 12345678, 22222222 and every millionth post, are sought after with a large amount of posting taking place to 'GET' them." Besides being grammatically awkward, how important is this information to the article?
 * Moderately important. I think it was missing the key bit of info (moot's opinion on scaling) which I've now added, and fixed the grammar (hopefully). —Giggy 07:57, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
 * The sentence could probably be improved a little more but I can't think of a better solution right now. The more pressing problem is one of clarification: What is a "GET"? Dabomb87 (talk) 01:12, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Hopefully clarified. —Giggy 08:46, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * WP:ENGVAR inconsistencies: summarised(British English), but humor (American English). Please check for instances throughout the article and change them to one format.
 * Fixed those (now American), will check for others. —Giggy 07:57, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
 * "and is frequently characterized by intricate inside jokes and black comedy." frequently could be deleted here.
 * Done. —Giggy 07:57, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
 * "/b/ users are referred to by outsiders as trolls, whose intention is to accumulate 'lulz'. Whose intention, the trolls or the /b/ users?
 * Trolls = /b/ users. Clarified. —Giggy 07:57, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Memes
 * "The lolcat meme later spread to other animals, resulting in the O RLY? owl." This sentence is confusing—it says that the meme spread to other animals, but then branches off into an example.
 * Yeah, the O RLY owl is an example of a related animal meme. Tried to make it clearer. —Giggy 07:57, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

I'll finish the comments tomorrow. Dabomb87 (talk) 02:26, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much for taking a look! :-) —Giggy 07:57, 26 August 2008 (UTC)


 * "2005 saw the introduction of the 'duckroll'." Rewrite needed: "In 2005 the 'duckroll' was introduced."
 * Done. —Giggy 08:46, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * "Its immense popular caused publisher Rockstar Games' website to crash." popular-->popularity.
 * Eek, I need to type slower. Fixed. —Giggy 08:46, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * You might want to add that the whole Grand Theft Auto thing led to the term "rickrolling". It's in the subheader, but we want the article to be as clear as possible.
 * Done. —Giggy 08:46, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * "The portion of the song in which Zonday turns away from the microphone, with a caption stating "I move away from the mic to breathe in", became a an oft-repeated meme on 4chan,[30] also inspiring numerous remixes." "also inspiring numerous remixes"-->"and inspired remixes.
 * Done. —Giggy 08:46, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * "More new memes would be developed by 4chan, such as 'So I herd u liek mudkipz', a meme involving a phrase based on Pokemon, which resulted in numerous YouTube tribute videos." Use the simple past tense—"would be"-->were.
 * Done. —Giggy 08:46, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Media attention Dabomb87 (talk) 02:17, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * "On January 9, 2006 eBaum's World violated copyright in hosting an image of Lindsay Lohan originally posted on YTMND." Comma after 2006; violated copyright-->violated copyright laws.
 * Done. —Giggy 08:46, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * "In December 2006 and January 2007, users of 4chan and other websites 'raided' Hal Turner, taking his site offline through DDoS attacks, and prank calling his phone-in radio show." "taking his site offline through DDoS attacks, and prank calling his phone-in radio show"—the attacks themselves didn't take his site offline, they led to that result. Reword as necessary.
 * Clarified. —Giggy 08:46, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Wikilink injunction.
 * Done. —Giggy 08:46, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * "On February 28, 2008, he plead guilty to the federal charges." plead-->pled
 * Fixed. —Giggy 08:46, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * There needs to be information in the body of text that informs the reader that the student who threatened to blow up his high school attended Pflugerville High School in Austin, Texas (or wherever the school is).
 * Done (I hope). —Giggy 08:46, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * "Jarrad Willis, a 20 year old Melbourne man"—should be "a 20 year old man from Melbourne.
 * Aaah, OK. That was the Australian way of writing it. Fixed. —Giggy 08:46, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks again for all your help! —Giggy 08:46, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

General Dabomb87 (talk) 12:41, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Captions with complete sentences should have periods, the incomplete sentences should not.
 * Should be fixed. —Giggy 09:01, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Is it possible to put a more desciptive title for the two external links?
 * Done, I suppose. —Giggy 09:01, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Great job! Dabomb87 (talk) 15:14, 31 August 2008 (UTC)