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A3 (Croatia)
This peer review discussion has been closed. I've listed this article for peer review because I'd like to submit it to GAN later on. I expect that the article still needs a thorough copyedit but I plan to submit it to WP:GoCE after the peer review.

Thanks, Tomobe03 (talk) 21:57, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Comments from Niagara

General Checked and removed overlinking from the lead, from the remainder of the prose and from the exit list. Also removed overlinking from references.
 * there shoundn't any spaces around an em dash: "...in Croatia—A1, A2, A4 and A5." Found several instances and removed those.
 * non-breaking spaces are needed between a number and its units (e.g. 21 exits, 7 billion Croatian kuna)  Added missing non-breaking spaces.
 * Watch for overlinking; words should only be linked once in an article (twice if used its linked in the lead paragraph)
 * The lead uses the U.S. spelling of "kilometers" whereas the rest of the article uses "kilometre". It should be, consistently, one or the other. corrected
 * Inline citations should be in numerical order, at the end of a sentence. "...during the period.[6][28]", not "...during the period.[28][6]" corrected

Intro per suggestion
 * "As it connects Zagreb, the nation's capital, to Slavonia region and a number of cities along the Sava River while serving as a transit route between the European Union states and the Balkans, the motorway represents a major east–west transportation corridor in Croatia and a significant part of the Pan-European Corridor X.
 * Broke apart sentence + a grammar fix: "The motorway connects Zagreb, the nation's capital, to the Slavonia region and a number of cities along the Sava River. It represents a major east–west transportation corridor in Croatia and a significant part of the Pan-European Corridor X, serving as a transit route between the European Union states and the Balkans."

Route description both per suggestions
 * "The motorway spans 306.5 kilometers (190.5 mi) between Bregana border crossing to Slovenia located near Samobor and Bajakovo border crossing to Serbia east of Županja via Zagreb and Slavonski Brod representing the shortest and the most comfortable transit traffic route between Slovenia, the northern Italy, Austria, Switzerland and the southern Germany in the west on one hand and Serbia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Macedonia, Greece and Turkey in the east on the other."
 * Split sentence + grammar/puncuation fixes: "The motorway spans 306.5 kilometers (190.5 mi) between the Bregana border crossing, located near Samobor, to Slovenia and the Bajakovo border crossing to Serbia east of Županja. It represents the shortest and the most comfortable transit traffic route between Slovenia, northern Italy, Austria, Switzerland, and southern Germany to the west; and Serbia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Macedonia, Greece, and Turkey to the east."
 * "The motorway is operated by Hrvatske autoceste."
 * What is "Hrvatske autoceste"? A short phrase/sentence about it whould make the article more comprehensive. Example: "The A3 motorway is operated by Hrvatske autoceste, the state-owned company tasked with the management, construction, and maintainence of Croatian motorways."

Toll the above four points per suggestions
 * "The westernmost section of the motorway spanning Bobovica interchange and Bregana border crossing is tolled at Bregana toll plaza using an open toll collection system, and the motorway sections east of Ivanja Reka interchange are tolled using a closed toll collection system integrated with the A5 motorway as the two connect in Sredanci interchange forming a unified toll collection system."
 * Fixed punctuation: "The westernmost section of the motorway, spanning Bobovica interchange and Bregana border crossing, is tolled at Bregana toll plaza using an open toll collection system; the motorway sections east of Ivanja Reka interchange are tolled using a closed toll collection system, integrated with the A5 motorway as the two connect in Sredanci interchange forming a unified toll collection system."
 * "The toll is payable in Croatian kuna, euro, major credit and debit cards and using a number of prepaid toll collection systems including various types of smart cards issued by the motorway operator and ENC - an electronic toll collection (ETC) which is shared at all motorways in Croatia (except the A2 motorway) and provides drivers use of dedicated lanes at toll plazas and a discounted toll rates."
 * Fixed punctuation/grammar: "The toll is payable in either Croatian kuna or euros and by major credit cards, debit cards and a number of prepaid toll collection systems, including various types of smart cards issued by the motorway operator and ENC&mdash;an electronic toll collection (ETC) system which is shared at most motorways in Croatia and provides drivers with discounted toll rates for dedicated lanes at toll plazas."
 * "The toll collected by Hrvatske autoceste — the motorway operator — along the A3 motorway in January – August 2009 was reported to comprise the largest proportion of total Hrvatske autoceste toll revenue for the period amounting to 889.8 million Croatian kuna (approximately 121.9 million euro)."
 * Fixed punctuation/grammar: "The toll collected by Hrvatske autoceste—the motorway operator—along the A3 motorway from January to August 2009 was reported to comprise the largest proportion of the total toll revenue collpected by the company, for the period, amounting to 889.8 million Croatian kuna (approximately 121.9 million euro)."
 * "There are plans for the outer Zagreb bypass integrated into the tolled motorway network — as the ultimate solution for congestion at the Ivanja Reka toll plaza."
 * Fixed punction/grammar: "There are plans for the outer Zagreb bypass to be integrated into the tolled motorway network as the ultimate solution for congestion at the Ivanja Reka toll plaza."


 * How much is an average toll?
 * That depends on the vehicle and sections travelled. The vehicles are categorized IA (motorcycles), I (cars, vans below 1.9m tall and 3.5t max permitted weight), II (cars with trailers, vans taller than 1.9m but below 3.5 max permitted weight), III (busses, busses with one-axle trailers, vans not falling into categories II or III, vans with trailers, trucks), IV (trucks with trailers, semi-trailer trucks, busses with multi-axle trailers). Naturally, the toll is the cheapest for the IA and the most expensive for the IV cat vehicles. Toll charged to IA vehicles traveling between Ivanja Reka and Rugvica exits is 2 kuna, and it is 61 kuna for entire tolled motorway east of Zagreb. For category I vehicle that is 3 / 105 kuna, cat II 4/160 kuna, cat III 7/240 kuna and cat IV 10/350 kuna. Since different charges apply for different combinations of the category/entry/exit that complicates calculation of an average value immensely. Furthermore there is another toll plaza west of Zagreb with the same vehicle categorization in place, although it charges toll for a single section. Perhaps it would be of some use to indicate current toll charge for travel along the entire route in a car or a semi or both?--Tomobe03 (talk) 21:25, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Added inline citation linking to official price list.
 * Okay, I looked at the website and I think I understand how the tolling works. What I would do is to give the toll at the Bregrana toll plaza for a Category I vehicle and then for a Category IV vehicle, making sure to mention what vehicles each category pertains to. For the tolls east of Zagreb, I'd do the same thing as with Bregrana, but give a range for the lowest and the highest tolls for a Category I and a Category IV (for consistency). ​​​​​​ ​​ Niagara ​​Don't give up the ship 00:02, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

per suggestion

History Revised mostly per suggestion, however the figure refers to both soldiers and the youth work action participants, so I modified it slightly to reflect this.
 * "A substantial portion of the works was carried out by youth from Yugoslavia and abroad through youth work actions and by Yugoslav army soldiers, as nearly 300,000 of them took part in the construction."
 * Split sentence: "A substantial portion of the works was carried out by youth from Yugoslavia and abroad through youth work actions. Nearly 300,000 Yugoslav army soldiers also took part in the construction."

per suggestion
 * "Inspection of the motorway section carried out at the time revealed damage to a viaduct carrying the motorway over Zagreb–Sisak–Vinkovci railroad and a local road near Novska, a number of flyovers and to the pavement caused by artillery bombardment, damage to flyover approach embankments where trenches were dug as well as some damage caused by overall lack of maintenance during the period."
 * Split sentence, reworded to flow better: "Inspection of the motorway section carried out at the time revealed damage to a viaduct carrying the motorway over Zagreb–Sisak–Vinkovci railroad and a local road near Novska. Besided the overall lack of maintenance during the period, the pavement and a number of flyovers were damaged by artillery bombardments, and the flyover approach embankments were damaged where trenches were dug."

Further construction Revised per suggestion, except I used consists instead of comprises now.
 * "The A3 motorway is completed in its entire length since 2006 therefore further construction related to the A3 now comprises only additional interchanges and rest areas."
 * Reword: "Since the A3 motorway was completed in 2006, further construction on the A3 now only comprises of the addition of interchanges and rest areas."

Rest areas per suggestion
 * "There are however rest areas which are available to the eastbound traffic only—Lužani and Brodski Stupnik rest areas; or to the westbound traffic only—Slaven and Staro Petrovo Selo rest areas. Furthermore, some rest areas offer different types of amenities to each direction of the traffic."
 * Fixed punction; reworded: "There are however rest areas which are available only to the eastbound traffic (e.g. Lužani and Brodski Stupnik rest areas) or to westbound traffic only, like Slaven and Staro Petrovo Selo rest areas.


 * "6 in the afternoon"
 * I've always considered 6:00PM to be considered evening, rather than afternoon (cultural difference maybe?). Locally both versions would work. Changed to evening.

Interesting photos and a well written article, makes me what to visit Croatia. Getting it promoted to GA shouldn't be too hard (if you should feel like it, with a little more work, an FA would be possible). If this review was helpful, consider reviewing an article in the backlog, as that is how I found yours. ​​​​​​ ​​ Niagara ​​Don't give up the ship 20:01, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your review. Your comments were constructive and helpful indeed. I am interested in promoting the article to FA eventually, so all your suggestions in that respect are more than welcome.
 * As far as the average toll is concerned, it seems to be quite impossible to provide a reliable value thereof, and I doubt that it is worth saying for instance what would it cost to drive a regular car along the entire A3, since it would not be of any use to those driving other types of vehicles or those traveling shorter distances than that - although that is quite possible to do. Furthermore, one of the inline citations in the toll section provides a link to Hrvatske ceste official price list for the motorway.--Tomobe03 (talk) 22:26, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I believe I came up with a way to a provide an idea of what the tolls on the A3 are (see above). In trying for an FA, I'd look for other, similar FA's to use a model; I note there are no FA's for WP:WikiProject Highways, other than highways in the U.S. (even though the style of the article different, you could use their FAC's to see what kinds of things you need fix here before nominating the A3). ​​​​​​ ​​ Niagara ​​Don't give up the ship 00:02, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks!--Tomobe03 (talk) 06:50, 9 October 2010 (UTC)