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Ambassador of Russia to Austria

 * A script has been used to generate a semi-automated review of the article for issues relating to grammar and house style; it can be found on the automated peer review page for April 2009.
 * A script has been used to generate a semi-automated review of the article for issues relating to grammar and house style; it can be found on the automated peer review page for April 2009.

This peer review discussion has been closed. I've listed this article for peer review because I would like to take this thru the WP:FL process, and want outside input.

Cheers, Russavia Dialogue 17:02, 5 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Imho the first paragraph of the article should be split into short intro and larger 'Historical overview' per WP:LEAD. Besides, there is a small inconsistency in the article regarding the first Soviet ambassador in Austria - in the intro it's said that Yan Berzin was the first while in the list it's one Voldemar Aussem. Alæxis¿question? 19:08, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks Alaexis, I will try to do something with the WP:LEAD here, although I am thinking that as this is technically a list, wouldn't that entail the lead, so to speak? I'm honestly not too sure here, so would need clarification from an editor on that? In regards to Berzin, I too noticed this and have come to the conclusion that Aussem and Ioffe are not regarded as the first "Ambassador" as they were "Plenipotentiary Representatives"; note the short time frame that they were based in Vienna. Perhaps Berzin is regarded the first permanent. I have changed the prose from "Soviet Ambassador" to "Soviet Plenipotentiary". Do you think that would fix this problem? Of course am open to suggestions. --Russavia Dialogue 19:23, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

I think this is a very nice article and it could be taken to WP:FLC soon. Compared to other quality FLs, the lenth of the lead is just fine, and it has excellent information. The only thing I'm concerned about is the references. First, are there any that are in English? It's okay that they are limited, but the refs for the list should not be exclusively in Russian. Also, it's fine to have general references; they do not need to be repeated for each section, though what you have is not bad. I have removed t the unnecessary template at the very bottom of the article and I made minor copyedits to the lead. Good luck! Reywas92 Talk 00:52, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your comments. I tried finding non-Russian refs before I placed this into mainspace, but couldn't find anything which would be suitable for this particular list. There are, however, plenty of references for individual ambassadors in numerous books, detailing parts of their careers in relation to events such as the Crimean War, and they would definitely be suitable for referencing on their individual articles, but nothing I could find gave any of the details which are featured in the article as it is. The search is kept going though in the hope that something will turn up. I guess because of the nature of the topic, and the details contained therein, that sources will likely be in Russian, or perhaps something in German. I'll keep searching. --Russavia Dialogue 11:31, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Ambassador Ilyichev
The table lists Ambassador Ilyichev's tenure as 1953-1956 but then we also know that Austria emerged as independent state in 1955. This discrepancy should be explained, I suggest a footnote from Ilyichev's entry (it's too far from the text in the lead). What was his official title before the Austrian State Treaty? NVO (talk) 02:06, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
 * ru-wiki says he was a verkhovny commissar. Here's a tidbit (pp.28-29) of a commentary to Khrushev's memoirs explaining it in English. NVO (talk) 02:24, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you for picking that up NVO, and for the source too, I will add it to the footnotes now. --Russavia Dialogue 18:40, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I have added it, and have adjusted the dates also. Does it look ok now? --Russavia Dialogue 18:50, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Fine to me. BTW, I checked the Western press of the period... he appears to be quite a mean character (similar to the Soviet blokes from The Third Man but well into Khruschev period). NVO (talk) 11:13, 8 April 2009 (UTC)