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Arthur Phillip


I've listed this article for peer review because I just recently got it to pass a GA and thought I’d do a peer review before nominating for feature article

Thanks, Knightmare 3112 (talk) 01:09, 23 December 2021 (UTC)


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Placeholder by Kavyansh
Will take a look in a day or two, or three or four. I reviewed it for GA, and am happy to know that it is being considered for FA! Ping me if I forget. – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 07:15, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Z1720 (talk) 16:19, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the ping,. – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 18:33, 23 January 2022 (UTC) That brings me to "Recommissioned into Royal Navy" sub-section. – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 18:33, 23 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Comments:
 * The structure of the lead can be improved. Currently, we have no information about his "Early life". I'll suggest breaking the lead into four paragraphs.
 * The first one should be a synopsis of the lead. Something like "Admiral Arthur Phillip (11 October 1738 – 31 August 1814) was a British Royal Navy officer who served as the first governor of the Colony of New South Wales." would be better.
 * Start the second paragraph with his early life, covering till 1786.
 * The third paragraph should cover his life from 1786 till 1792, his returned to Britain. This one includes his important career as the governor of New South Wales.
 * The last paragraph should start with his later life, and should cover his death, as well as his legacy. That would definitely frame a better lead section. Feel free to change anything from above suggestion.
 * Done
 * was appointed by Lord Sydney to the position of commander — why not just "was appointed by Lord Sydney as the commander"?
 * Done
 * soon saw that New South Wales would need a civil administration and a system for emancipating convicts — I'm sure he did not "saw", he "realized"
 * Done
 * By the time Phillip sailed home in December 1792, however, the colony — I always try to cut words like "however", "nevertheless", "Anyhow", wherever possible. Here, I think 'however' isn't much required.
 * Done
 * to receive medical treatment — for what disease?
 * Added that it was kidney stones
 * before dying 31 August 1814 — better would be "before his death on 31 August 1814"
 * Done
 * in the London ward of Bread Street — shouldn't it be "in Bread Street, London"
 * Changed, that was the way it was written in source
 * He was the son of an immigrant from Frankfurt, Jacob Phillip, who — suggesting "He was the son of Jacob Phillip, an immigrant from Frankfurt, who"
 * Done
 * Let me just confirm, was Jacob Phillip his step-father? Because "His mother, Elizabeth Breach, was the widow of a common seaman by the name of John Herbert"
 * Jacob is his father, the rest is just a bit of background of his mother
 * In keeping with — how about "In accordance with"?
 * Done
 * Phillip was "unassuming — should be "Phillip was an "unassuming"
 * Done
 * considerably longer than the average student stay of twelve months — (1) we shouldn't add 'considerably', as the difference in time of stay itself justifies that it was considerably long (2) "twelve months" = 1 year; should change it.
 * Done
 * 210-ton — I am not sure, but should be have a conversion to lbs as well??
 * He left the Greenwich Hospital — specify 'Phillip'
 * Done
 * and spent the winter aboard — MOS:SEASON discourages use of season to refer to a particular point of time in the year.
 * Changed to next few months aboard
 * as quoted by Hughes — I think Hughes deserves his full name to be mentionned.
 * Done
 * the summer of 1754 — MOS:SEASON
 * Changed to when ship left england
 * thirty crew members — should write 30 in number; see MOS:SPELL09
 * Done
 * As an apprentice, Phillip remained aboard as — we had already been told that he was "an apprentice"
 * Removed
 * On 16 October 1755, he enlisted — specify that 'he' here is 'Philip'
 * Done
 * In July 1763, he married — same as above
 * Done
 * Margaret Charlotte Denison née Tibbott (known as Charlott) — suggesting to keep "née Tibbott" in the parenthesis
 * Done
 * the English press in 1786 — should that be 1777?
 * This incident isn't mentioned in English press at time it occured, only once he was appointed to a similar mission for the British
 * Do ping me once you have finished with all these, I'll add another lot of comments. – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 18:06, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Ping to Knightmare 3112 – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 13:46, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Ping Kavyansh.Singh --Knightmare 3112 (talk) 04:40, 2 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Continuing:

I have not read full article, but the remaining part, on a quick look, seems fine. The sources without page numbers should have them for FAC (as mentioned in the GAN page) With all these changes made, I strongly suggest you to take this to WikiProject Military history/Assessment/A-Class review before FAC. That really helps! – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 05:51, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
 * "ending of the American War" — American Revolutionary War?
 * "After his return to England from India in April 1784" — but we never tell when he went India
 * "Bourbon Powers, France and Spain" — "Bourbon Powers, France, and Spain"?
 * "a party of twenty-three, including fifteen convicts" — these both could be written as numbers
 * A "[clarification needed]" tag needs to be resolved
 * "Sam Neill in the 2005 film The Incredible Journey of Mary Bryant and David Wenham in the 2015 mini-series Banished." — Source?