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BBC News
The last review of this article carried out in November 2005 found a number of improvements could be made and these are listed below. I was hoping that now time has passed and plenty of work at improving this article by many has been undertaken, there could be a fresh critique and new ideas can be put into the mix. As a result, I hope to put the article up as a candidate for the Featured Article section of the Main Page at a later date. Previous messages and recommendations are below. Thank you to all participants. Wikiwoohoo 18:56, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Previous review from November 2005

Having just posted this as a candidate to be a Featured Article, it would be good to know what others feel is needed here. The first objection stated some aspects that were missing, I was hoping even more could be spotted so the article could be made to an even higher standard. Wikiwoohoo 18:57, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

=Nichalp  «Talk»=  06:49, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Brief review:
 * 1) The lead should be increased in size and summarise the entire article.
 * 2) history could be lengthened
 * 3) =Output= -- rephrase that and convert to prose.
 * 4) Reduce subsections
 * 5) The page has a high % of lists. Featured articles cannot have listy material
 * 6) Newsreaders not req
 * 7) What about the finances of BBC?
 * 8) References needed. Without that it cannot be featured.
 * 9) Mention how BBC news is viewed around the world. Is it considered credible. Also include ratings etc.


 * The past 15 years overwhelm the article. You have less then one and half paragraphs on seventy years of history and four subsections on just fifteen years. Opinions on BBC News is even worse in this regard, basically it only goes into the past several years and has entire subsections on single events. There is an entire section on the reporting of the Iraq war and nothing about World War II. Information about recent events might be slightly larger than other time periods because there is more information available, but the history of BBC News, including its politics, need to be treated equally. I noticed you only use online sources, you should go to a library and take out a book for more information. Refereces also need to be properly formatted. Medvedenko 23:12, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Medvedenko is right. The history is entirely post-1990, ignores radio, and seems to be based on what the other media say. I think the article lacks perspective. It could do with a few more comparisons. And it needs a lot of expansion on early history.
 * "..faces competition from Sky News and ITN, although the ITN News Channel (also known as the ITV News Channel) has now ceased broadcasting in the UK." .. reads strangely. Does ITN broadcast outside the UK?
 * Loads about the use (or lack) of the term "terrorist" in this century. Compare it with previous BBC practice: has it changed? I can't remember what it called the IRA, for example (my memory is that there was a trend to call them criminals, but whether that was the government, the media, individuals, or even official policy, I can't remember).
 * About three sentences about radio, in total, in the entire article? There is tons to expand on there.
 * What is the relationship between BBC News and the World Service? (Which of the two was responsible for dropping the Arabic language service (a gap subsequently filled by Al Jazeera? If it was the news people, this is probably worth including.)
 * What is the relationship between BBC News and BBC Monitoring?
 * Headings and subheadings do not need to be in titlecase. Lowercase anything which isn't actually a proper noun.
 * I believe the formal dress of early TV newsreaders was said to be because they were guests in your house and thus should dress smartly. Is it possible to find a source for that and include it?
 * If BBC News (rather than the children's department) was responsible for John Craven's Newsround, you definitely have to include that: Newsround covered quite amazing topics for its time.
 * JCNR was commissioned by Childrens but the facilities provided by TV News Zir 21:20, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Telsa (talk) 15:51, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Who runs it? How is it organised?

Agree that the history needs expanding - particularly "early years" - no mention of TV News at AP in the 1960s for instance - the birthplace of BBC TV News and where the first colour news programmes came from in 1968 (?) - no reference to this in Alexandra Palace either. Zir 12:51, 19 November 2006 (UTC)