Wikipedia:Peer review/Belfast/archive2

Belfast
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Belfast was peer reviewed in September last year. All the suggested changes have been carried out, and the article has changed significantly since then. It was promoted to GA in March of this year. Any comments and suggestions for improving the article in preparation for FAC would be greatly appreciated. Stu  ’Bout ye!  13:48, 7 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Good article, a few points.
 * Intro- 1. is there anything relevant to mention between 1888 and the Troubles? Bit of a gap at the moment 2. The sentences "Belfast saw the worst of the Troubles in Northern Ireland. However, since the Good Friday Agreement in 1998, there has been major redevelopment in the city..." don't quite follow. Presumably seeing the worst of the Troubles refers to a lot of violence and major redevelopment refers to urban regeneration/rebuilding.
 * History-Should be more of a continuous account of history from Ancient times to the present, seems to be large periods that are not mentioned. Do you think that the Troubles needs to have a subsection-I know it's very important, but at the moment it's emphasised to much in contrast to Belfast's other history, IMO.
 * Just looking at the Dublin article as a comparison, have you considered adding info on Nightlife and Entertainment, Shopping-would that be relevant for Belfast? Deus Ex 12:33, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your comments, which are very helpful. Agree broadly on all points, especially your first two. I think the history section needs most work. I'll start working on 1 & 2 today. I'm not sure about adding nightlife/entertainment and shopping sections. I think these subjects are better incorporated elsewhere in the article, probably in different subsections of the culture section. For example the main theatres and bars are mentioned in Architecture and buildings.
 * Also, I'd like people's opinions on the crime section. I don't feel this is needed, possibly one sentence from it could be moved to the history section. Stu   ’Bout ye!  09:35, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I've removed the crime section and included some of the content in the history section. I've also added some content to the lead and history sections. There is still a gap in the history section, specifically between the 12th and 17th centuries. Stu   ’Bout ye!  09:48, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I expanded the history section tonight, so I think all the above points have been addressed now. The article passed a GA review yesterday. Any more suggestions? Stu   ’Bout ye!  20:14, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

--maclean 19:45, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Please see automated peer review suggestions here. Thanks, APR t 03:37, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Really good article.
 * I liked the crime in its own section, and hopefully more stats on it can be found.
 * In Parks and Gardens, "One of the most popular parks[48] is Botanic Gardens..." Popular in terms of what? The reference sounds like it is trying hype or advertise the park.
 * "...Imagine Belfast, who boasted that it would "make Belfast the meeting place of Europe's legends..." is a good use of the term 'boast'. The other 4 instances are unwarranted.
 * In Economy, "It was the first true aviation company in the world and was visited by the Wright brothers in 1906 and 1907." (1)what does "true aviation company" mean? and (2) according to the article Short Brothers the Wright brothers went to Battersea, not Belfast.
 * In Government, "who are drawn from fifty-one elected councillors" what does drawn mean? Like drawn from a lottery?
 * In Economy, "Two other major developments will see the regeneration of the Titanic Quarter..." this is future-tense speculative conclusion so it needs to be qualified. Fine for the reference to phrase it like that but Wikipedia needs to translate it. Like 'the City plans two developments to regenerate the quarter...' or 'According to City manager Joey Joe Joe two developments will regenerate the quarter...'. Otherwise you can just state the facts and not try to draw any conclusions, like 'two hise-rise xresidentialx developments are planned for the quarter...'
 * "It is now in the top five fastest growing regional economies in the UK.[71]" - in terms of what? population? number of jobs? income per capita income? exports? combination of other factors?
 * In Architecture, why the Calcutta and Durban examples of what Edwardian architecture? Seems like a side-track.
 * In Culture, "Ultimately the bid may have been wrecked by the..." another speculative conclusion that should be attributed, like 'According the Guardian the bid may have been wrecked...' or drop the conclusion and just say "factor x and factor y were seen as disadvantages to the bid.'
 * Thanks for your comments Maclean, very helpful. I've addressed all those points, apart from the crime section. I still feel this doesn't deserve its own section. Looking into it though. Stu   ’Bout ye!  20:28, 1 October 2007 (UTC)