Wikipedia:Peer review/Bernard Lee/archive1

Bernard Lee
This peer review discussion has been closed. I've listed this article for peer review because there is only limited information on Lee and I want to try and get his article to as high a level as possible, despite the lack of information.

Thanks, SchroCat ( ^  •  @ ) 22:24, 4 January 2012 (UTC)


 * With what information is already present in the article I'd give it a B status. Everything is neatly referenced save for the list of "Other films" and the writing style seems to be appropriate as well. The filmography should be presented by wikitables with the Bond films showing only the release year and the title and the table for "Other films" having fields including his role and occasional notes. Compare the table in Pierce Brosnan. De728631 (talk) 20:59, 7 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks for that: I'll make a start on the filmography, which may take a while, but will be worth the effort in the long run. Cheers! - SchroCat ( ^  •  @ ) 09:11, 9 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Comments from WWB Too

I've made some changes; SchroCat, I see a couple you have reverted, and I'm fine with those. Fair point on WP:MOSLQ, and the U.S. Amazon shows the book title includes only the one "bang", but you're right about the UK site and Google Books. Anyhow, here are some other thoughts that occurred to me while going through it:


 * The final sentence of the first paragraph of Life and career mentions his career "after RADA". Did he graduate? Or simply leave? Might be good to clarify, if it can be established.
 * Done - SchroCat ( ^  •  @ ) 11:08, 19 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Near the end of the same sentence, it says he "played comedy"; I assume this means he appeared in comedy shows, but perhaps it could be clarified.
 * Done - SchroCat ( ^  •  @ ) 11:08, 19 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Is there any more information about his stage career to be added? Military career?
 * Not much, unfortunately—at least at this stage—if you'll excuse the pun! I'm still working on this, but I've not come across too much about it, although I have a few of his reviews which I will be adding in shortly. - SchroCat ( ^  •  @ ) 11:08, 19 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Any more information about his family? Considering his grandson is actor Jonny Lee Miller, did any of Lee's children follow in his footsteps?
 * Unknown. He only had one daughter, so I presume that JLM is her son, but I've not found anything to confirm that pathway, or if the daughter was an actress... - SchroCat ( ^  •  @ ) 11:08, 19 January 2012 (UTC)


 * A couple of phrases appear between quotation marks without any indication as to who is being quoted:


 * Lee played the role "very close to Fleming's version of the character" ...
 * [He] came across as "the very incarnation of Fleming's crusty admiral." ...
 * Now done - SchroCat ( ^  •  @ ) 12:18, 23 January 2012 (UTC)


 * In the Death section, I've removed the material about Bill Tanner as acting head of MI6. This seems germane to For Your Eyes Only (film), not necessarily to an article about Mr. Lee's career. YMMV.
 * Yep - looks better - SchroCat ( ^  •  @ ) 11:08, 19 January 2012 (UTC)


 * I've removed one mention of Lee being "best remembered" as M, though I've left it in the lead. This seems incontrovertibly true, but it would be an easier call if a third-party source could be cited.
 * I've put the phrase back in - the API reference that was there was where it was from, but I've also found a better source (The Illustrated who's who of the cinema)and referenced it in the text itself. - SchroCat ( ^  •  @ ) 10:03, 23 January 2012 (UTC)


 * The Other films list is awfully long, and apparently not even complete. Considering WP:NOTEVERYTHING, I'd suggest making this something like Selected filmography, but I wouldn't know where to begin making cuts. Thoughts?
 * I've increased, rather than decreased the list as I now have another set of information which should complete his full background. As the vastr majority of these are linked to stand-alone articles I feel it right that they should all remain in there as to select down is to press my own opinion as to which films are moer valid than others. - SchroCat ( ^  •  @ ) 11:08, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

If you have any further questions, try me on my Talk page, but I'll check back here again sometime in the next day or so. Cheers, WWB Too (talk) 21:39, 12 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the edits—and for your comments too. I'm going away for a few days, but I'll sort your comments and suggestions out when I return. The gap will also give me a chance to consider the "Other films" section too, although I'd be more in favour of putting in as many of his films as possible, largely on the basis that the vast majority are existing articles. I'll mull it over and get back to you when I come back from my break. - SchroCat ( ^  •  @ ) 00:37, 13 January 2012 (UTC)


 * There are a couple more of your points I still have to address, but I need to be at home with my sources before I can start editing thoem properly, which I will do shortly. Thanks again for picking up on this review - SchroCat ( ^  •  @ ) 11:08, 19 January 2012 (UTC)