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Chana School

 * Looking to bring this article up to GA status, to which it will be submitted after this review. Any comments and/or edits would be appreciated.A mcmurray (talk • contribs) 04:59, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

User:Ronbo76
I had hoped someone else would be the first to review. So far, nadie. A couple of quick recommendations:
 * Is this a museum? It is a museum; If so, needs a cat .✅
 * It's not a museum in the traditional sense, in that it doesn't have hours, it's not really "open" or "closed." It is kind of a place where they take field trips to and such. But yeah, Category:Museums in Illinois looks like the best bet.A mcmurray (talk • contribs)
 * Know the type. However, in the article and at one of the links it is called a museum. Some museums like this are used mostly by schools for field trips as you mention. Ronbo76 14:56, 7 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Pictures look as if black and white. First good/great because it makes it look like a period piece. But, the color on the rest is subdued. Recommend reshooting to bring up color/contrast.
 * Ah yes, the morning sun and a crappy camera.A mcmurray (talk • contribs)
 * I replaced one image with a slightly better one I had on Commons.A mcmurray (talk • contribs)


 * In first paragraph, the article states there are six registered sites with five listed. Might as well list them all .✅
 * Just went ahead and removed the extraneous information, it was a remnant of when the article was a stub.A mcmurray (talk • contribs)
 * Good call. The cat at the bottom of the page links to registered sites in IL. Don't know if there is a separate break-out cat for this county, etc. Ronbo76 14:56, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
 * There isn't, just the city cat and it is part of the county cat, but only Cook County has its own Historic Places cat in Illinois, the others just don't have enough places, not to say some don't have a lot.A mcmurray


 * Red wikilink for bell house - go with Bell tower or cupola .✅
 * The perpendicular addition is mentioned twice. Once in the initial paragraph and near the end. Could stand a copyedit to shorten it in the first paragraph (one line = it feautures a perpendicular addition unique to period). ✅
 * Would look at the Manual of Style to see how the dates are formatted for the references (should it be notes or references?); in most articles I see, the first time a date is seen, it is formatted for user preferences (to include references) .✅
 * This and the next concern are aspects of the MOS that only became familiar with after the article was complete, will alter accordingly.A mcmurray (talk • contribs)


 * Dates. Lots of years mentioned but no hard and fast dates. Dates that read as of 2006 or the 1950s can be formatted. See the MOS again.
 * I don't generally link straight years without dates, would you recommend I do in some instances?A mcmurray (talk • contribs)
 * Straight dates are not linked (you are correct). What I meant, was that if some hard dates like when the school opened on Month day, Year; that or other dates could be linked. Usually hard dates as when it was moved, restored, etc are available. The as of Year formatting is a recent change that had been previously used. It is used to link important generational dates (if I remember correctly). The 19th century dates that could/are referred to as such should be linked IMHO but with MOS consultation. Ronbo76 14:56, 7 March 2007 (UTC)


 * If I had to rate this article, it would be Class A, Mid. Don't think that is GA. Not sure. Recommend a copyedit.
 * Will receive several copy edits before submission.A mcmurray (talk • contribs)
 * More research will be required but I should be able to come up with a couple of dates.A mcmurray


 * May want to get other project tags like architecture tag (I know they do buildings and bridges). Do not know if the schools project would be interested. I have their tag on my userpage. There is probably a museum project and maybe even a parks project.
 * Architecture freaks out if buildings don't have "worldwide" notability, but the others, go for it if you want, I will do it soon either way.A mcmurray (talk • contribs)
 * Would have thought the reference to Italian reference would bring some interest. Never hurts to visit their project talkpage and ask. Ronbo76 14:56, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Funny thing is, I am a member and have received edit summary "talking tos" about it in the past, but I will drop them note, I don't think they like me much because I tagged a bunch of articles that they didn't cover in their scope. And with all the DYKs I get you'd think they would want the exposure. ; )A mcmurray


 * Give me either a street address or approximate coordinates, and I will put a geolinks color scale photo link on it.
 * 201 N. River Rd., Oregon, Illinois.A mcmurray (talk • contribs)
 * From the description, I found the park but could not narrow down the building looking at it through Google maps. Would you have an idea N/S/E/W of that point and approximate distance it is? Ronbo76 14:56, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't have the exact coordinates, not sure where to find that info other than Google Earth. The park is just off the river, along the road, which you said you found. It is on the east side of the river, across from the main part of the city of Oregon, IL. The school building itself sits next to a large stand of white pines, so those might be obscuring your view because they are on both sides of the building.A mcmurray
 * Geolink added. Figuratively speaking, I am in the ballpark but need someone to ID where the building sits. BTW, friendly copyedits taking place. Ronbo76 20:04, 7 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I am fading fast. Will look at article in morning. Ronbo76 07:06, 7 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Any famous alumni? Any famous teachers?
 * Good question, the history is a bit obscure. Will have to wait until my next trip to one of the small town libraries nearby.IvoShandor


 * Is the architect known and does this person have a Wikilink?
 * Architect doesn't appear to be known (per |this Google search), no wikilink existsIvoShandor


 * Link transom, cornice, facade. Link the first occasion of gable (in same paragraph as gabled).✅IvoShandor
 * A dollar sign is linked in the article. Isn't there a better link for dollars USD that formats the number to user preferences?✅IvoShandor
 * Search for south face. Recommend southern facade.✅IvoShandor
 * Water stand is mentioned. What is that?
 * Assuming like the modern plastic ones that hold the Culligan man's offerings. Not positive, no internal link available and there wasn't anything strikingly similar at Category:Water, hard to say.IvoShandor
 * Looking at it again, it is probably a water basin or sink. That was probably very modern back then. I wonder if that could/should be emphasized. Keep water stand and link it to sink. Ronbo76 13:21, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
 * If you're pretty sure that is what it is, I think that would be a good idea.IvoShandor 13:29, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I am pretty sure that is what it is. Gotta remember, back in those days running water was a big thing. If they had an outhouse, no sink drains were probably initially available. If you remember old Westerns, a pitcher along with a metal/ceramic bowl was used to wash hands, face, etc. The water stand as written into the article (which I presume came almost directly from one of your sources or references), probably refers to a free standing sink ala podium that had a drain leading outside. We 21 first century take hot & cold water, electricity and phones for granted. Back in the day, that was the latest and greatest thing next to sliced bread. Ronbo76 13:36, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Indeed. Will link.✅IvoShandor 13:45, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
 * BTW, if the water stand still exists, a picture would look nice in a gallery. I still recommend reshooting some of the pics to get better contrast. Ronbo76 13:54, 9 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Any See also(s) available? Ronbo76 12:34, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Possibly the other sites on the Register in the city, maybe some other one room schoolhouse in Illinois, or History of Education. Will come up with something.IvoShandor 13:02, 9 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Sources? Good referenced notes. But, in most GA, a separate source is available. Does not have to be online. Ronbo76 13:36, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Print sources aren't necessarily needed (take my recent GA Joseph F. Glidden House), and the last two (and one being the most heavily relied upon) started life as print only, they have simply been transferred online, which makes verification all the easier IMHO, same with those Glidden House refs. I would like to find more sources, but as I said, as a rather obscure item, the Ogle County small town libraries are my only bet really. I am not sure about the museums openness. Though it would be cool to find out. I will look into it.


 * Recommend gallery. Also, if the museum does period days with children dressed in role costumes, pictures of that would be nice. Then again, if this is done, the museum might have info on notables. Several museums/historical sites in California have these type history days. If pictures of costumed students taken, recommend they be posted in black and white with a note about being a re-creation. Ronbo76 13:58, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
 * My plan was to link to a gallery on Commons. Watch, you'll see in a few minutes. : )IvoShandor 14:49, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Recommend another editor from Illinois Project review my comments on Talk:Chana School and re-rate this article. Ronbo76 12:51, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Arbitrary review break
Just thought I would note, I greatly appreciate all of your assistance on this Ronbo. IvoShandor 13:20, 9 March 2007 (UTC)


 * As a last note. This article will be going to Good article candidates now, I am archiving this peer review. Before GAC though, I have submitted a request to the League of Copyeditors for a good copy edit or two. Should help. We shall see. IvoShandor 07:56, 21 March 2007 (UTC)