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Chevelle
I've listed this article for peer review because I have been working on it for the last 2-3 days and have expanded it vastly. I think a problem with the article is that there needs to be some copy editing, as it is a challenge to write an article of a band consisting of all brothers. Thank you, Burningclean &#91; Speak the truth! &#93; 05:35, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

J Milburn

 * "sold nearly two million copies in the United States," Copies of what?
 * "The band originally comprised of the three brothers Pete, Sam, and Joe Loeffler, the latter of whom left the band in 2005 due to internal differences, but was replaced by Dean Bernardini soon after." Perhaps "The band originally comprised of the three brothers Pete, Sam, and Joe Loeffler, but Joe left the band in 2005 due to internal differences and was replaced by Dean Bernardini soon after."
 * Could we perhaps caption the infobox image to say which band members can be seen?
 * "their parents garage." Apostrophe use!
 * "favorite car Chevrolet Chevelle." No need for the italics, and it would read better if you said "favourite car, the Chevrolet Chevelle."
 * "received by The Phantom Tollbooth and HM Magazine," A little clarification on what The Phantom Tollbooth is would be nice.
 * "yet was criticised for its apparent repetitive song structures." Who by?
 * "Squint Entertainment shut down and were signed on to Epic Records in 2002." Squint Entertainment signed to Epic Records?
 * "the youngest of the brothers, and the bassist Joe Loeffler was dismissed from Chevelle." This implies there were two people. Use parenthesis- "the youngest of the brothers, the bassist Joe Loeffler, was dismissed from Chevelle."
 * "It is unclear whether he was fired or if he left the band due to different stories from the band members." Confusing sentence. Try "Due to different stories from the band members, it is unclear whether he was fired or left the band of his own accord." or something akin.
 * "Pete and Sam state the following: "After three years of non-stop touring and recording, Joe is taking a break to be home with family. We'll miss having him on the road with us, but as his brothers and bandmates we respect his decision and are looking forward to getting out there and playing for the fans. See you on tour."" We need a reference, and it would be nice if you said something like 'In an interview with X' or 'On their official site' 'Pete and Sam stated the following.'
 * "However Joe has a different side to the story," Maybe "However, according to _____, Joe said of his departure-"
 * "with a new permenant bassist, Dean Bernardini.[14][19]" Do we have any information about how they got Bernardini?
 * Oh, wait there, you explain that in the next paragraph- could you perhaps avoid the crossover? State that they got him as the new bassist, then talk about the tour?
 * Also, the next paragraph talks about Joe's departure. Lose that, you have already talked about it, especially as you imply he was fired, which we can't do.
 * The last paragraph in 2004-2006 and the first in 2006-present really need fixing.
 * "the band's brother in-law and long time" He isn't the band's brother-in-law. Maybe "the Loeffler brothers' brother-in-law" Still doesn't sound great...
 * "'vein liquid'," Double speech marks, and mention that it is Latin, as opposed to any other language.
 * "representing the blood Chevelle put into making the album according to Pete." Comma after 'album'.
 * "first single from the album was" Comma after 'album'- Parenthesis!
 * "The second single from the album, "I Get It" was"- Comma after closing the speech marks around the song.
 * "In July of the same year toured Australia as a supporting act for the band, The Butterfly Effect." Who or what toured Australia? Lose the comma, and link to The Butterfly Effect (band).
 * "Chevelle's band manager died of cancer," Do we have his/her name?
 * "hotel the members were staying at." I would rephrase that as "at which the members were staying", but your way may be right, I'm not actually sure.
 * "ebay" Should be eBay- I know it's a direct quote, but still...
 * Sorry, I know I'm divulging, but "Christianity contoversy" is the best section title I have ever seen.
 * "swear words" Sounds like an eight year old has written it- "swearing" or "taboo language" would be better.
 * "as Cradle of Filth, who incorporate strong satanic and anti-Christian themes into its lyrics." "who he claims incoportate... into their lyrics".
 * "The same man was" Why not "Miller was"
 * "concerned of the" Perhaps "concerned about" or "critical of"
 * "more mainstream label, Sam responded stating, "It’s something" I would rephrase this as "more mainstream label. Sam responded [at location x], stating that "It’s something"
 * "Word (a Christian record label housing John Tesh and Amy Grant), so the record (Point #1)" If those brackets are your or another editor's addition, and not something from Sam's original quote, use square brackets. Also, as we have the link to Word, I don't think the second set are needed anyway.
 * "Chevelle incoporated Christian themes into the lyrics of some of the songs on Point #1 and Wonder What's Next, but have refrained from the themes on This Type of Thinking (Could Do Us In) and Vena Sera, even adding profane language into the two latter albums. Christian themes can be heard in the lyrics of the songs "Point #1", "Mia", and "Grab Thy Hand" from Chevelle's first two albums, but on This Type of Thinking (Could Do Us In), lyrics are pointed towards society struggles." It looks as if all of that is unreferenced- either find a reference, or make it more clear that there is one if there is already one in the article.
 * "Chevelle has tried to distance themselves from the label, "Christian band", claiming" Lose the commas.

I've not finished, I'm just nipping down for lunch, so I'll save now in case something nasty happens. J Milburn (talk) 13:06, 29 December 2007 (UTC)


 * "Despite comparisons to Tool, many critics such as Christianity Today and The Daily Texan have stated Chevelle as having a unique sound to their music" Could we perhaps have the names of said critics? "John Smith of Magazine X" for instance?
 * You have a habit of putting commas before quotes. I am reasonably sure you don't need to do that.
 * "Chevelle is one of the most successful bands of the modern hard rock and alternative metal genres." According to whom, judging by what?
 * Sources generally look much better this time. Shame there aren't so many of them.
 * "(May/June 1999) "Chevelle". 7ball Magazine (24). Retrieved on 2007-12-24." You don't need an access date for a magazine article, but an author would be nice.

Ok, that's all for the first review- that should give you some things to be working on! J Milburn (talk) 13:39, 29 December 2007 (UTC) Thank you, Burningclean &#91; Speak the truth! &#93; 03:39, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm not starting my own section, just want to make one point. "Kieth Miller of Evangelsociety.org" - is he notable? If not, why he is being quoted? You may just as well write "User:Kingboyk said..." --kingboyk (talk) 22:29, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
 * All done. Kieth Miller is a Christianity Today critic and is notable, you might not know who he is because you don't go on the website (I don't know if you do or not) but if you did you might know who he is. It would be like if I was unfamiliar with All Music Guide I might not know who Greg Prato is. Just to clarify.

M3tal H3ad

 * Chevelle started in 1995 - formed
 * Split first sentence of Formation into two
 * their good friend - remove good "friend is enough
 * The band recorded for 17 days in Electrical Audio studios, and on May 4, 1999 Chevelle released its first full length album titled Point #1, and released two singles from the album, "Point #1" and "Mia". Music videos were made for both songs, and both received Dove Awards for "Hard Music Song" with "Mia" in 2000 and "Point #1" in 2001. -> The band recorded for 17 days in Electrical Audio studios, and on May 4, 1999 Chevelle released its first full length album titled Point #1. Two singles were released from the album with accompanying music videos, "Point #1" and "Mia". The songs received Dove Awards for "Hard Music Song" with "Mia" in 2000 and "Point #1" in 2001.
 * the album In Utero by Nirvana as well as many other artists.
 * The Phantom Tollbooth, a Christian music website, and HM Magazine,[ -> say who the reviewers are no need to mention christian music website for Jesus Freak Hideout
 * The album also received -> no need for also
 * The band released the single titled "The Red", and made a music video for it as well. The song which reached number three on the Mainstrean rock charts, and the video was played in regular rotation on MTV.
 * number 14 - number eight - keep consistent with chart positions
 * certified gold - link to RIAA certification
 * A music video was made for the song and received rotation on MTV and MTV2. notable enough to mention and include?
 * peaking at number three - which chart?
 * en dash for date ranges not em dash see WP:DASH
 * Christianity Today has reviewed -> who was the reviewer
 * en dash for date ranges under former members M3tal H3ad (talk) 03:57, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Brandt Luke Zorn

 * "For the Chevrolet car, see Chevrolet Chevelle." - OK, so this really has nothing to do with the actual article, but it should say "For the automobile produced by Chevrolet, see Chevrolet Chevelle."
 * "Chevelle is an American hard rock band from Chicago, Illinois formed in 1994." should be "Chevelle are an American hard rock band that formed in 1994 in Chicago, Illinois."
 * The band uses American spelling elsewhere so the band is a singular - "is", the plural form is British English, so this change was incorrect. M3tal H3ad (talk) 05:18, 2 January 2008 (UTC)


 * The Loeffler brothers should each have their last name spelled out in the lead, and all of the members should have their instruments in parentheses after their names.
 * "Chevelle released its first full length album titled Point #1." should be "Chevelle released its first full length album, titled Point #1." (with or without the "titled")
 * "Dove Award" should be "GMA Dove Award".
 * "The album was produced by Steve Albini, who was known for producing the album In Utero by Nirvana." This sentence should be earlier in the paragraph.
 * "criticised" should be "criticized", as the band is American.
 * "apparent repetitive" - remove "apparent"
 * "The songs received Dove Awards for "Hard Music Song" with "Mia" in 2000 and "Point #1" in 2001." should be in the second paragraph of the "Point #1 (1995–2002)" section, with the other sentence about Dove Awards.
 * "the single titled "The Red"" should be "the single "The Red""
 * "Chevelle released two more singles from the album titled "Closure", and "Send the Pain Below"," should be "Chevelle released two more singles from the album, "Closure", and "Send the Pain Below","
 * "its first live album, titled Live from the Road and a DVD titled Live from the Norva." should be "its first live album, Live from the Road, and a live DVD, Live from the Norva." Also, link DVD.
 * Tours (Music as a Weapon II tour) don't have quotes around their titles.
 * "In 2004 Chevelle returned to the studio..." This sentence sounds like the band recorded only at one studio their whole career. Reword.
 * "Prior to the release of This Type of Thinking (Could Do Us In)" if it was prior to its release those paragraphs should be ahead of the paragraphs about the album's release. The section should be retitled "The departure of Joe Loeffler and This Type of Thinking (Could Do Us In) (2004–2006)"
 * Put "sic" after "your fired" in Joe's quote.
 * "In 2006 Chevelle returned to the studio" Reword, as per what I said earlier.
 * "the album sold 62,000 copies during its first week of release." should be "and sold 62,000 copies during its first week of release."
 * Any further information about Vena Sera 's sales information?
 * "as a supporting act for the band, The Butterfly Effect." - no comma needed.
 * "Christian fed lyrics" sounds weird. How about "Christianity-influenced"?
 * ""The Clincher" written about the band's view of the Mel Gibson film The Passion of the Christ." should have a comma after "The Clincer".
 * "Chevelle has tried to distance themselves from the label, Christian band, claiming they are Christian individuals, but not a Christian band." should be "Chevelle have tried to distance themselves from a Christian identity, claiming that while they are Christian individuals, they are not a Christian band."
 * claymation should be linked.
 * "first three albums praising them as" should be "first three albums, praising them as"
 * "and have been compared to Tool" Why would being compared to Tool be contrary to success? Have they been accused of being too derivative of Tool?
 * "Geno Lenardo: bass (2005, live fill in)" should be "Geno Lenardo: bass (2005, live fill-in)" --Brandt Luke Zorn (talk) 08:38, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

One more thing: the lead. I'd recommend expanding it to three paragraphs. The first paragraph right now is fine. A second paragraph could draw from the "Influences and style" and "Christianity controversy" sections. The third paragraph could include a basic outline of the band's history, plus the second paragraph of the current lead. --Brandt Luke Zorn (talk) 00:18, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Everything on this page is ✅ Burningclean  &#91; Speak the truth! &#93; 03:03, 2 January 2008 (UTC)


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