Wikipedia:Peer review/Extratropical cyclone/archive1

Extratropical cyclone
Article has just been upgraded from stub class to B class with comment that more work needs to be done (Not bad for a days work on the part of mainly user:Thegreatdr, and also myself to a lesser extent). It seems silly now to not try to make it that much better, and so essentially, a general review of what needs to be done in the article to get it further upgraded is all that's being requested here. --Crimsone 12:21, 6 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Well the article assumes a lot from the reader. It assumes the reader has all the background and just looking to get some random facts. The first sentence doesn't even explain what this is, it just says its the same thing as "baroclinic systems" (what ever that is...), what its usually nicknamed by the scientific community and that the public calls it "depressions". But I still have no clue what the hell this article except its about cyclones. If I recently learned english and didnt know what "cyclone" is commonly referred to, Ill be completely lost (well not lost but loose interest because the lead is suppose to draw me in). So in conclusion what is "Extratropical"? Moving on, any way "Characteristics" can be converted into paragraph form versus bullets? The first paragraph of "Formation" section reads like a novel. Instead of "In the begginning this happens..." approach I would take the "Common conditions for the formation of Extratropical cyclone are..." approach. "Cyclone models" seems a bit short with stubby paragraphs, any possibility of expansion? "developed around 1990" was that written in a published source or were you just going off memory there? Any region of the world they tend to form at most? notable storms? Anyway, Good luck with the article and hope to see it at fac soon.  - Tutmosis  23:36, 7 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your kind comments! Many of your suggestions were taken on board For instance, the opening summary paragraph has now been heavily edited. The Formation section has been split into two subsections, however, as extratropical cyclones are everyday phenomena making up part of the ebb and flow of the planets weather, the "in the beginning" element of the (now) sub-section seems most appropriate for the subject.


 * The Charateristics section was converted from paragraph form to a bulletpoint list purely because it lists a number of different characteristics in quite some depth (for the reasonable space available to each point). A "Structure" section was added to better explain what these cyclones are in atmospheric terms.


 * The Cyclone Models section has been renamed (and subsectioned) to "Cyclone structure and evolution" The paragraphs on each subsection are still a little stubby, but without getting overly technical for the unknowing reader, I doubt much more can be said - Ideally each model should have its own article (or maybe one Cyclone models article). There is still some sourcing to be done on these subsections though.


 * Being as they are part and parcel of everyday weather and nothing particularly special or spectacular in their own right/as a whole, they pretty much form anywhere in the central lattitudes of the northern and southern hemispheres of the planet (which is now mentioned in the article), and so I'm not sure that a "Notable storms" section would be entirely appropriate, as storms can form as part of an extratropical cyclone, but such depressions are seldom ever called "Extratropical storms" (which might be an entirely different subject anyway). The article is still being worked on though, and so I'm wondering what you think of it now, and if anybody else has any further suggestions? --Crimsone 10:44, 9 October 2006 (UTC)


 * It's looking much better. I have a couple request for the lead; can the lead mention average speed, which parts of the world they occur in, How long they usually last (is that even in the article?), usual effects on surrounding area. Thanks. - Tutmosis  14:59, 9 October 2006 (UTC)


 * The article already mentions the location (within 30 to 60 degrees lattitude of the equator), and I'm afraid it really can't get any more specific, being a run of the mill global phenomenon tha occurs pretty much everywhere within the given area. How long they last is not yet in the article - though it would be hard to define as they can last anywhere between a day or two and months (at either extremes of the spectrum). It really depends on the environmental conditions they are steered into. In theory, they could last almost forever in the right conditions (which obviously aren't lightly to occur). The life of an extratropical cyclone depends on what happens both within and around it.


 * The usual effects of a cyclone likely to be seen by your average person are pretty much precipitation, cloudiness, and sometimes notable wind (ie, a breeze or more). Basically, any weather other than sunshine is most usually down to an extratropical cyclone.


 * Adding any of the above will take some thinking about (from me at least!). Some of it is already said (as above) as best as it really can be without the article starting to sound pedantic. Some of your other sugestions may be able to be fitted in though. --Crimsone 15:19, 9 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Oh okay. Well I guess my suggestions have reach the end of the line. Too bad there doesn't seem to be people familiar with the subject to comment since I can only point out things from a view point of a ignorant reader. - Tutmosis  16:39, 9 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, lot's and lots of further work has been done, and there's still some to do :) Thanks to Tutmosis, for the suggestions, most of which have been followed up, and any more comments would be welcome from anybody :) --Crimsone 17:19, 10 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Please see automated peer review suggestions here. Thanks, Ruhrfisch 20:50, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that Ruhrfisch :) And thanks to all here, who have helped to improve this article significantly :) Crimsone 20:01, 29 October 2006 (UTC)