Wikipedia:Peer review/FC Barcelona/archive2

FC Barcelona
This peer review discussion has been closed. Undergone large changes since last PR and FAC, added content with inspiration from newly promoted Man utd. I believe a good copyedit could send it on its way to FAC.
 * Previous peer review

Thanks, Sandman888 (talk) Latest FLC 09:02, 31 July 2010 (UTC)


 * I'd say the lead section could do with a copyedit such that the second two paragraphs are more similar in length to the first two.
 * Agreed, see below. Sandman888 (talk) Latest FLC 10:21, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
 * The final section in the History section smacks of recentism; although I can appreciate it was truly historic, and wouldn't say it should be merged into another section, I'd say it should be cut down a little. This is something I think would be raised at FAC anyway.
 * For the record: Is non-recentism an official policy? I've tried to write it as most people would expect it.
 * Yep, see WP:RECENT. They are tough on it at FAC too, it was one of main problems with the Manchester United article.Tom (talk) 12:32, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
 * WP:RECENT is an essay, not policy :) Sandman888 (talk) Latest FLC 08:16, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
 * OK, but try telling the people at FAC that. ;) Tom (talk) 13:01, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Why is the managers list only notable managers, and not every manager? It seems most managers are included, so it appears incomplete? I'd recommend adding in the others.
 * Perhaps none should be there? That would trim the article considerable. The List of FC Barcelona Managers is not bad either. Sandman888 (talk) Latest FLC 10:21, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Yep you could just add a link to the list.Tom (talk) 12:32, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
 * The support section could probably do with a bit more on the actual supporters, rather than just the rivalries. How many are there? How are they represented? Don't the shareholders own the club and elect the president? If not, then this section should probably be named 'Rivalries'.
 * Yes I was about to expand it until someone started reverting my edits. I'll get to it tho. Sandman888 (talk) Latest FLC 10:21, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
 * The supporter ownership and revenue are mentioned in the lead, but not anywhere else in the article, which isn't allowed.
 * On the whole, I think it could do with a good copyedit. If you want I'll give it a go in the next few days?
 * Yes please, that wd be great. Sandman888 (talk) Latest FLC 10:21, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Good article though, not far off FAC I don't think. Good luck with it. Tom (talk) 10:02, 31 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the review! Sandman888 (talk) Latest FLC 10:21, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

Comments from per this request:
 * File:FCB.svg - If this crest was created in 1912 (per here), I assume it would be a very simple matter to prove it was published before 1.1.1923, thus making it PD in the US. (NFCC#1) This also doesn't have a verifiable source (WP:IUP/NFCC#6/NFCC#10A), or attribute the author (NFCC#10A - Carles Comamala)
 * File:Player FC Barcelona 1903 year.jpg - If the author is unknown, why is it being claimed s/he's been dead 70 years? Creation date (1903) is not relevant to the copyright term.
 * Author found. Sandman888 (talk) Latest FLC 09:18, 9 August 2010 (UTC)


 * File:Joan Gamper 1910 year.jpg - In what year did A.A. Artis die?


 * unable to establish death. Sandman888 (talk) Latest FLC 11:46, 4 August 2010 (UTC)


 * File:Trofei Camp Nou.JPG - Derivative work; cannot be freely licensed without consent of the trophy's author.
 * File:Copa, Champions, Lliga.JPG - Same as above.
 * Should they go for deletion? Sandman888 (talk) Latest FLC 11:46, 4 August 2010 (UTC)


 * File:Culers.jpg - No license (!!!), no date or authorship information at source (direct link to image itself is not acceptable); has already been nominated for deletion (not by me).


 * Can fair use be applied if information is uncertain/unknown? Sandman888 (talk)

Latest FLC 11:46, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
 * File:Barcelonacrest.jpg - Why does this say "fair uses" if it's PD? Where can we confirm it was published?


 * does publish have to be in a book? What about sale of shirts?

*File:Camp nou 2.jpg - Image does not appear at source provided. Where can we verify the CC-by-SA 2.5 license? Эlcobbola talk 13:08, 3 August 2010 (UTC)


 * will replace that. Thanks for review! Sandman888 (talk) Latest FLC 11:46, 4 August 2010 (UTC)