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Grendel (novel)
A number of editors have edited this article; mostly, they are interested in the novel as favourite reading, however, now is the time for independant eyes to review and edit it afresh. Also, anyone familiar with the novel, but who have not contributed so far, please check the factual information, accuracy of what is there and what should be included. :: Kevinalewis  :  (Talk Page) / (Desk)  13:08, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
 * A few things to point out (as someone who has not read the book by the way)
 * -I believe the intro needs to be reworded. Perhaps a little bit more substance in there would be good too.
 * -The plot introduction also needs to have more.
 * -The spoilers are out of control. I personally don't think there should ever be spoiler warnings, but certainly not 2 sets of them.
 * -'in medias res' is a nice term, but I imagine about 95% of the people who read the article would have to click the link to know what is being talked about. I know I did.
 * -"Main Themes" is listed as a stub section, but it's not even that, as there's nothing there. Something should be done about that.
 * -The movie 'Grendel Grendel Grendel' is spoken of twice. Is that neccessary?
 * -In the plot summary I see lots of problems with punctuation and conjunctions.
 * -Sounds like 8th grade writing, with perhaps (just guessing here) pieces of the actual text used, such as "greeted by moonlight", "goring him", and "enraptures and seduces".
 * -Use of Names and Pronouns doesn't seem balanced.
 * -Plot Summary seems just to be a list of events as they took place, rather then a summarization of the book as a whole.
 * -The Characters in "Grendel" section needs to have more, perhaps a list of the characters (without the red links), or maybe if enough of the characters get mentioned in the plot summary, lose the section altogether.
 * --Chuck 13:35, 12 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Made changes to 'in medias res' issue
 * The Characters added
 * Trivia worked into Main Themes section
 * Spoiler section thus reduced to one section. :: Kevinalewis  :  (Talk Page) / (Desk)  14:46, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

I've attempted to reword the introduction (though I seem to have taken out some of the substance, sorry). MikeBriggs 16:13, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
 * So, I wrote the original article, mostly in one night. I think most of the language problems come from the fact that the plot summary was reduced almost by a third, since it had sprawled on so long. The 8th grade comment was cute, but the pronoun use, unusual terms, and choppy style are a result of this. I'm sorry it's so sloppy, but I'm just too busy to fix it up. Donbas 23:17, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I was of course being very critical above. It is not a bad article. I was certainly able to understand the plot from reading it. --Chuck 03:26, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

I went through the article and edited it extensively for wikification (many errors in basic grammar, spelling, neturality) and also to make it more in the format of a factual summary. The article still needs input from readers who are willing to comment on the themes in the novel - specifically, discussion of the philosophy expounded by each of the main characters. Preferably, these would include links to schools of thought as well as some discussion about what Gardner may have meant.

Thanks in addition for referencing the Grendel opera. Irregulargalaxies 04:03, 16 June 2006 (UTC)


 * 1) Should split up the plot section into sub-sections. Personally, I would subsume the plot sections as follows:
 * Plot
 * Plot introduction
 * Plot summary
 * Various attacks and dialogoues...
 * etc.
 * Also, you should probably either fill out or remove the main themes section. --maru  (talk)  contribs 00:31, 23 July 2006 (UTC)