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Highway 401 (Ontario)
This peer review discussion has been closed. I've listed this article for peer review because I've just finished rewriting most of it. Wanted to get a second set of eyes on it.

The Highway 401 subsection of the History has not been rewritten as of the time of this posting, and I am aware that the km in the Exit list are only listed for half of the exits.

Thanks,  ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ  τ ¢  02:10, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Comments from Niagara
 * Is there a reason / policy for why this article uses a specific type of infobox instead of the standard Infobox road.
 * "...carried an average of X vehicles over them daily in 2006." → I guessing "X" should be number.
 * "Due to the lack of engagement..." → What does the term "engagement" refer to in this context?
 * "...nickname Carnage Alley." → I do not believe "Carnage Alley" shouldn't have a link to a section further down the page.
 * "...western side of the Greenbelt," → "Greenbelt" links to disambig page, I think the link should be pointing to Greenbelt (Golden Horseshoe).
 * "...as Toronto's international airport," → Why not just say "Toronto Pearson International Airport"?
 * The first instance of "MTO" should be written out (currently the third instance is written out).
 * "...brought Mitchell Hepburn into office as premier." → Link "premier"; people unfamiliar with Canadian politics probaly won't know this term.
 * "... German Autobahns - new "dual-lane divided highways", separated by a depressed grass centre crossing short distances between major cities - modified..."
 * Em dashes (&mdash;) should be used instead of hyphens (Note: no space should be before or after the em dash).
 * Add conversions for "kilometres per hour" to "miles per hour".
 * "Macdonald-Cartier Freeway" should have an En dash (Macdonald–Cartier Freeway), as should "Windsor-Essex Parkway".
 * I wonder if the list of service areas might be pushing it, in terms WP:NOTTRAVEL.

Very comprehensive and well written, shouldn't be too hard get it to FA. Consider reviewing an article from backlog, as that is how I found this article. ​​​​​​ ​​ Niagara ​​Don't give up the ship 01:46, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

To address some primary concerns, there has been lots of discussion between myself and several other road editors. The standards vary from country to country, and we've sat down recently to attempt to convene them. The reason why the service centres are included is because the information on their closures and reconstructions is of importance to drivers. These are also government facilities with an intertwined history that run 24/7, so drivers rely on them and I feel as an encyclopedia we have a duty to provide that information. If they were just gas stations on the freeway I'd agree. As for the infobox, there is no standard road infobox. Nearly every country uses its own. In this case, Ontario uses its own because it has a cleaner appearance, and works better with the situations encountered in Ontario. Finally, I chose not to use Toronto Pearson whenever possible because it doesn't sound right in a sentence. The common usage is the old name for it, Pearson International Airport, but it would seem almost misleading to use that. Instead I leave it to the article on the airport itself to take care of identifying it further.

That jumbo aside, I'm implementing the rest of the suggestions, save one that leaves me wondering: "Add conversions for "kilometres per hour" to "miles per hour".". I'm certain I've done this everywhere, could you point out where I've missed it?

Thank you :)  ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ  τ ¢  03:41, 31 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah, road infoboxes vary alot between countries, but between Canadian provinces, it seems Ontario is the only one that uses its own infobox. I made a mock-up of an infobox for the 401 just to compare and did find advantages and disadvantages to it (the standard infobox automatically places a Macdonald–Cartier shield next to the 401 shield; but it seems to use an entirely different of shields for the junction list). I won't press the issue but it may come up in an FAC (or it might not).


 * An idea I had for the service areas was to put them into the exit lists (as the information provided is similar). The speed conversions you missed is here: "...case of "excessive speeding" (driving 50 km/h over the limit, or over 150 km/h on 400-series highways."


 * Something I forgot to check before, but I'm happy to see it is present; alt-text does not need to be surrounded by quotes. Other things I just noticed are: that you spell out "Highway" and "Autoroute" but not "Interstate" and there is an instance where the date is written in a "dmy" format (24 August 2007) when the rest of the article uses "mdy". ​​​​​​ ​​ Niagara ​​Don't give up the ship 17:28, 31 March 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm hoping it doesn't, but if it does I'll press the "and it's standard according to whom?" argument. The main reason Canada uses it is because the Canadian roads project was started by the US Roads Wikiproject, and automatically assumed its conventions from the get-go. The MC shields aren't replaced anymore, which is the sole reason that I haven't put it in the article.


 * I've spelt out the first instance of I-xx. They were initially spelt out, but another editor changed them to the common abbreviation. I've had odd things happen with alt text. Sometimes it just doesn't show, period (an example is the plaque image in the Highway 401 subsection, which shows up without alt text using the alt checking tool). The other fixes have been implemented. I'm still debating with myself whether or not to fore go WP:GAN. -  ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ  τ ¢  02:26, 1 April 2010 (UTC)


 * There was a line break in the alt text in plague photo that caused the problem (personally I wouldn't transcribe what the placque says in the alt text, or in the caption; I'd just summarize it and maybe put the full text on photo's page as part its description). I think you could get away with skipping GA; it would save alot of time if your goal was FA. ​​​​​​ ​​ Niagara ​​Don't give up the ship 02:49, 1 April 2010 (UTC)