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Hurricane Emilia (1994)
This peer review discussion has been closed. I've listed this article for peer review because…

This should qualify for an Featured Article as i think that the article is already well written and i have improved upon it (not to mention it was already a good Article), the storm is a classic example of a category 5 hurricane in the pacific, it being the third strongest Central Pacific storm, and it has no unsourced info.and oh this storm is part of a Good topic.

Thanks,  Blue TropicalWave  (Talk) 03:42, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm worried if this even passes GA if reassessed. The first link's already dead.&mdash; CycloneIsaac – E-Mail 20:03, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
 * No, this should not qualify as a featured article. I have the following concerns.


 * "Hurricane Emilia was the fifth tropical cyclone, second Pacific hurricane, and the first major hurricane of the 1994 Pacific hurricane season. " boring. YE Pacific  Hurricane 00:38, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Changed it so that it mentions that the tropical cyclone was, at the time, the strongest of its kind in the Central Pacific.  TheAustinMan (Talk·Works) 03:05, 31 July 2013 (UTC)


 * "It was the third most intense tropical cyclone in the central Pacific Ocean, attaining a minimum central pressure of 926 mbar (27.34 inHg) on July 19—only Gilma and Ioke reached lower pressures in the basin." false, CPAC is not a basin from a wiki standpoint. YE Pacific  Hurricane 00:38, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Removed the mention of 'basin' and reworded some of the other details.  TheAustinMan (Talk·Works) 03:05, 31 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Why is the lead so short? YE Pacific  Hurricane 00:38, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
 * It shouldn't be. Though it isn't a policy but a general guideline, per WP:LEADLENGTH, an article with 15,000 characters (Emilia has 12,848, even with inline citations) should only have a lead of one to two paragraphs. Granted, Emilia was a strong, Category 5 hurricane, but lack of impacts nullify such overarching length requirements for strong storms. Also the hurricane's rather normal, usual uncontradicting synoptic history makes long leads simple rehashes of content.  TheAustinMan (Talk·Works) 03:05, 31 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Why doesn't it cover much impact? YE Pacific  Hurricane 00:38, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm not the principal researcher, but I added some of the impact into the lead.  TheAustinMan (Talk·Works) 03:05, 31 July 2013 (UTC)


 * "On July 14, an area of low pressure was detected in the Intertropical Convergence Zone 2,110 miles (3,400 km) east-southeast of the Hawai’ian chain.[1] It was traced to a tropical wave that left the African coast on June 29.[1] " mention that first. YE Pacific  Hurricane 00:38, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Flipped the sentences around.  TheAustinMan (Talk·Works) 03:05, 31 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Did the wave show signs of organization in the Atlantic?
 * Not that I know of, probably not, because it was not mentioned.  TheAustinMan (Talk·Works) 03:05, 31 July 2013 (UTC)


 * when did the wave enter the Caribbean Sea? YE Pacific  Hurricane 00:38, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
 * This is not in the report for the season.  TheAustinMan (Talk·Works) 03:05, 31 July 2013 (UTC)


 * When did it enter the basin? YE Pacific  Hurricane 00:38, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
 * This is also not in the report for the season, and thus does not need, or rather, cannot be stated without WP:OR.  TheAustinMan (Talk·Works) 03:05, 31 July 2013 (UTC)


 * No need to source stuff at every sentence! Do it when the information ends. YE Pacific  Hurricane 00:38, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Merged references that were extra and unnecessary.


 * When did it attain winds of say 55 knts? YE Pacific  Hurricane 00:38, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
 * 55 knots is not even an important barometer for tropical cyclone intensification, so sorry, no.


 * Why don't you use discussions in the MH? YE Pacific  Hurricane 00:38, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I'll leave this comment and the other intensification change-qualms to an editor who is willing to pick this up, after all, I'm just doing this as a service for the original peer-review requester, who was banned for sockpuppeting.  TheAustinMan (Talk·Works) 03:05, 31 July 2013 (UTC)


 * When did Emillia develop an eye? YE Pacific  Hurricane 00:38, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
 * When did it become a Cat 2? YE Pacific  Hurricane YE  Pacific  Hurricane 00:38, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
 * When did it become a Cat 3? YE Pacific  Hurricane YE  Pacific  Hurricane 00:38, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
 * When did it become a Cat 4? YE Pacific  Hurricane YE  Pacific  Hurricane 00:38, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Any structural changes during its explosion? YE Pacific  Hurricane 00:38, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
 * "Maximum sustained winds increased from 115 mph (185 km/h) on July 17 to 160 mph (260 km/h) late on July 19, which was a period of 42 hours.[3] " compare pressures not winds. YE Pacific  Hurricane 00:38, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Why?  TheAustinMan (Talk·Works) 03:05, 31 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Also, link to rapid deepening somewhere. YE Pacific  Hurricane 00:38, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Got it.  TheAustinMan (Talk·Works) 03:05, 31 July 2013 (UTC)


 * " An upper-level trough in the westerlies caused the cyclone to turned northwest on July 21" link to trough (meteorology) YE Pacific  Hurricane YE  Pacific  Hurricane 00:38, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Linked.  TheAustinMan (Talk·Works) 03:05, 31 July 2013 (UTC)


 * "to turned" to "to turn"
 * Fixed the random suffix.  TheAustinMan (Talk·Works) 03:05, 31 July 2013 (UTC)


 * ", and the threat to Hawai’i increased.[3][4] " this is not MH, it is preps? YE Pacific  Hurricane 00:38, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
 * when did Emillia weakened into a Cat 3? YE Pacific  Hurricane 00:38, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Removed. "Threat" with no substance does not satisfy inclusion into articles.  TheAustinMan (Talk·Works) 03:05, 31 July 2013 (UTC)


 * "Later, Emilia began to weaken for the final time." please re-write this sentence. YE Pacific  Hurricane 00:38, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Reworded.


 * When did it weaken into a tropical storm? YE Pacific  Hurricane 00:38, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
 * " On July 22, Emilia continued to weaken, and it passed within 150 nmi (170 miles) of the Big Island.[4] " don't use nmi. YE Pacific  Hurricane 00:38, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Adjusted.

Also, may I ask why you want to get this featured? It's short and not of much interest. Despite it's intensity, it is unlikely to be brilliant to outside readers, hence strong diffculty to be featured. After all, no one cares about the EPAC. YE Pacific  Hurricane 00:38, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
 * "Initially, forecasts significantly underestimated the intensification of Emilia,[1] which was one of three tropical cyclones to attain Category 5 status in the central Pacific during the season.[3] On July 16, a 72-hour forecast misjudged the strengthening of Emilia by 41 m/s (92 mph).[1] Later, winds at 72 hours were 31 m/s (69 mph) too high when the cyclone began to weaken.[1]" how is this preps? YE Pacific  Hurricane 00:38, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
 * " On July 16, a 72-hour forecast misjudged the strengthening of Emilia by 41 m/s (92 mph).[1] " do not use meters squared. YE Pacific  Hurricane 00:38, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
 * "Later, winds at 72 hours were 31 m/s (69 mph) too high when the cyclone began to weaken.[1] " same here. YE Pacific  Hurricane 00:38, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
 * "This led to high confidence in the forecasts,[7] resulting in a lack of watches or warnings.[3] " say "tropical cyclone watches and warnings". YE Pacific  Hurricane 00:38, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
 * "Nonetheless, a high surf advisory was issued for the south and east coasts of all islands.[8]" "Nonetheless" to "Nevertheless". YE Pacific  Hurricane 00:38, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Any shelters opened? YE Pacific  Hurricane 00:38, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Any of the preps were due to fears of another Iniki. YE Pacific  Hurricane 00:38, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
 * "Despite the storm's offshore anture, wells of 6–10 feet (2–3.3 m) were reported near the Puna and Ka‘ū coasts.[9]" "anuture"? YE Pacific  Hurricane 00:38, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
 * "Waikiki Beach in Honolulu reported a 5 ft high (1.5 m) surf." no need for "a". YE Pacific  Hurricane 00:38, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
 * " Surf was lower along the Kona and Kohala coasts" please try to avoid back to back uses of "surf". YE Pacific  Hurricane 00:38, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
 * "[10][3]" order the refs numerically. YE Pacific  Hurricane 00:38, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
 * "Some minor roof damage was caused by the winds.[3] " cut one of the first two words out. YE Pacific  Hurricane
 * "Emilia is one of the most intense tropical cyclones on record in the Eastern Pacific, with a lowest " don't link to Pacific Ocean. YE Pacific  Hurricane 00:38, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
 * " In the CPHC warning zone, only Gilma " what year? YE Pacific  Hurricane 00:38, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
 * "The storm was the subject of a disagreement between the Central Pacific Hurricane Center and the National Hurricane Center. " to "The storm was the subject of a disagreement between the CPHC and the NHC." YE Pacific  Hurricane 00:38, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
 * "Specifically, they debated Emilia's peak strength in relation to the Saffir-Simpson Hurricane Scale (SSHWS)." to "Specifically, they debated Emilia's peak strength in relation to the Saffir-Simpson Hurricane Wind Scale (SSHWS). "
 * "However, the NHC considered Emilia to be a high-end Category 4 with maximum winds of 135 knots (250 km/h), in both its "best track"[13] and its preliminary report.[14] " Link to HURDAT and tropical cyclone report respectively. YE Pacific  Hurricane 00:38, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
 * "List of tropical cyclones" why is this in the see also? YE Pacific  Hurricane 00:38, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

The user who requested this has been blocked, so not sure if it should continue. Yellow Evan, since you regularly deal with Pacific tropical cyclones, I'd personally leave it up to your decision if this should stay open more. --♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 20:58, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't see any harm in leaving it open. YE Pacific  Hurricane 23:21, 21 July 2013 (UTC)