Wikipedia:Peer review/Joe Nathan/archive1

Joe Nathan
I've listed this article for peer review because I would like to make this a Feautred Article, yet I know I have a ways to go with it yet. Any help is appreciated.

Thanks. Wizardman 17:08, 4 November 2007 (UTC)


 * A script has been used to generate a semi-automated review of the article for issues relating to grammar and house style. If you would find such a review helpful, please click here. Thanks, APR t 17:42, 4 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Relisting, I'd like at least one non-automated look. Wizardman  14:43, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Okay, Wizardman, you've got your wish. :) I read the whole article.  Its rating as a Good Article is well-earned.  I learned some things about Nathan that I didn't know from just reading the baseball pages in the Boston Globe or New York Times.  I especially enjoyed the trivia that he replaced Barry Bonds on the Giants roster.  In all seriousness, there's no serious flaw with the article.  It's not missing any information that needs to be there.  The only issue I might have is that it's a little more prosaic and boring than your typical featured article.  If you could track down one of those Sunday-morning type long interviews to shine a light onto this guy's personality, that might make for a more interesting reading experience.  Otherwise, the best way to evaluate its readiness for FA is to try FA and see why people say no.  Oh, and for guidance, you can look at Lee Smith (baseball player), which is featured. Shalom (Hello • Peace) 04:17, 19 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Look at WP:CITE and improve the references - each should give the source, publication date, and author. (by Jimmy The Greek, Sports Illustrated, May 1996.)
 * wikilink Division III to explain it to people who don't know why it's a big deal that "only div iii colleges showed interest"
 * Similarly wikilink, rephrase, or explain (probably wikilink, because that allows readers who don't know to look it up, while doesn't get in the way of readers who do know): Academic All-American, Bellingham Giants, what it means to have your number retired, shutout inning, major-league decision, reliever, closer, American League Co-Player of the Week, Major League Baseball Delivery Man of the Month, MVP, ERA, and similar baseball jargon
 * "This transition came with marriage as well" - eww. You're implying his marriage was strongly tied to his promotion; either back that up with a source that specifically says that, or rephrase. In fact, I'd break the family life into a separate section, unless, again you can show that his family life is strongly tied to his career. "With the end of the first season came the birth of his first son, Cole," ... eww. I can just imagine it now: "And you, son, came at the end of my first season. I value you just almost as much as that third trophy on the left there - don't get smudges on it!"
 * Give some text feedback: words rather than just numbers. What do sports writers say about him? What makes him impressive besides just stats? Does he throw fastballs, curves, sliders, spitters? Does he know when to walk, when to try for strikeout? Is he particularly good at shutting down power hitters, or does he tend to serve them up homers occasionally? You've got some terms there that could use more verbiage - what makes him a "saves leader", a "delivery man"? Is he consistent, erratic, flamboyant, conservative, reliable? What does he do outside the game, does he have any interests in activism, politics, charities, hobbies? --AnonEMouse (squeak) 16:48, 29 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Alright, I'll modify the article based on the latest comments, I don't see any I disagree with doing. Wizardman  20:43, 6 December 2007 (UTC)