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Johnson Creek (Willamette River)
This peer review discussion has been closed. I've listed this article for peer review because I would like to prepare it to be a featured article candidate. Some of the things I've been wondering about are as follows:


 * Is the article missing any essential categories of things that might be said about creeks and rivers.
 * Are any of the subsections too short?
 * Does the prose flow nicely throughout?
 * Does any section need expansion or contraction?

Thanks, Finetooth (talk) 17:02, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Ruhrfisch comments: I just passed this as a Good Article. Here are some suggestions for improvement (not necessary for GA status, but hopefully useful to reach FA). I also note that the semi-automated peer review script found nothing, which is great (no MOS issues in what it checks). My suggestions are pretty nit-picky: All for now, I will probably add a few more later. As noted, please ask at WP:PRV for other reviewers to look at this. Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 05:07, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Should the word "long" be included in the first sentence? Johnson Creek is a 26-mile (42 km) [long] tributary...?
 * Is the linear hiking and biking trail also a rail trail since it is a former rail line?
 * This may just reflect my pro-county bias, but I would note that the creek rises in Clackamas County, and also note each time it crosses a political boundary (four cities, Multnomah County), as well as relating the course to the street grid system. Someone with a low detail map, would presumably not have the street numbers, but hopefully would have the counties and cities on a map.
 * I like the map of the course and major tributaries, but it is somewhat difficult to see purple Mitchell Creek against the magenta background of urban areas, and also the light green of Badger Creek against the yellow background.
 * As you know, User:Kmusser makes beautiful maps of watersheds and may be able to make one of this watershed too.
 * If you go for FAC, this is not required, but I would try to make a stub for the Gresham Pioneer Cemetery redlink (plus it helps expand the encyclopedia). Whoops almost missed Clatsop Butte too
 * The only missing things I can think of that I usually have are: the relative area of the watershed (what % is Johnson Creek of the Willamette River drainage basin)? the relative areas of the major tributaries if known (what % of the total drainage basin is Kelley Creek?) and are there any river miles known (distance along the river from tributary mouth to the creek's mouth)? My guess is that because of the thoroughness of the rest of the article, this information is not known, but it would be helpful if known
 * The lead says that the USACE lined the lower 15 miles (24 km) of Johnson Creek with rock, later it says In the 1930s, the Works Progress Administration cleared and lined with rock about 90 percent of Johnson Creek between its mouth and Southeast 158th Avenue, creating an artificial channel 6 feet (2 m) to 10 feet (3 m) deep and 25 feet (8 m) to 50 feet (15 m) wide. I would make clearer this was 15 miles long here too.

A few more ideas:
 * Is any more known about the sources of the pollution? Point sources or more agricultural?
 * Looking at the article talk page I see there are "lost" tributaries - if reliable sources can be found, these should probably be mentioned. I have found some luck looking at old maps and comparing them to modern ones.
 * I realize there will be things I have suggested for which no data is available. There are four FA creek articles, each of which has different data available, so that may offer some models for missing data. Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 23:06, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Some final ideas: Stop me before I suggest again ;-) Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 02:44, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
 * You may want to mention the neighboring streams / watersheds (Clackamas to the south, etc.).
 * How far is it from the mouth along the Wilamette River to the Columbia River? Looks like it is pretty close - probably worth a mention. Not sure if the distance to the Pacific along the Columbia is worth putting in or not.