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Jones AT&T Stadium
This peer review discussion has been closed. I've looked over the existing GA and FA articles but I'm still looking on how to expand this article. I've tried moving as much information out of the history section as possible, into new topic specific sections but I don't know just how much to keep/add in the history section and what new sections should be created. Also a few random questions: Thanks, NThomas (talk) 21:34, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Is the record attendance section appropriate for Wikipedia?
 * Can the seating capacity be incorporated into the article to reduce the 7 extraneous lines from the infobox?
 * As the only complete section of the article, how would the Coaches All-America Game section fare in a GA review?

Ruhrfisch comments: Thanks for your work on this article and your interest in improving it. Peer review is ideally for well-developed articles, which this definitely is not. I can point out what needs to be improved, but asking if a section would pass GA is like asking if a headless torso might win a beauty pageant if the other parts were there - difficult to say. Anyway, here are some suggestions for improvement. Hope this helps. If my comments are useful, please consider peer reviewing an article, especially one at Peer review/backlog (which is how I found this article). I do not watch peer reviews, so if you have questions or comments, please contact me on my talk page. Yours, Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 18:23, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree that a model article is useful for ideas and examples to follow. Not sure if you have seen all 4 stadium FAs, which seem like they would be useful models: City of Manchester Stadium, Herschel Greer Stadium, Old Trafford, and Priestfield Stadium
 * There is one circular redirect in the article that needs to be fixed see here
 * Two dead external links found using the PR toolbox external link checker see here
 * Biggest problem I see is a lack of references. Many sections and paragraphs have no references at all - this would be a quick fail at GAN.
 * My rule of thumb is that every quote, every statistic, every extraordinary claim and every paragraph needs a ref.
 * If a paragraph has a ref, then sentences without a ref follow that ref, those sentences also need references
 * The references that are there are not always in the format expected or do not provide all the information required. Internet refs need URL, title, author if known, publisher and date accessed. cite web and other cite templates may be helpful. See WP:CITE and WP:V
 * Also make sure that references used meet WP:RS and that, wherever possible, reliable third-party sources independent of Texas Tech are used too (newspapers, magazines, books)
 * The current lead is far too short - it should be an accessible and inviting overview of the whole article
 * Nothing important should be in the lead only - since it is a summary, it should all be repeated in the body of the article itself
 * My rule of thumb is to include every header in the lead in some way The article may need fewer sections / header too Please see WP:LEAD
 * It always helps to provide context to the reader. I would start History with some background - a few sentences on when Texas Tech was founded, when it began playing football, what the previous stadium(s) were like, and why they decided to build this one.
 * The orgnaization is a mess. Look at Modernization - paragraph years are 1999, 2000, 2009, 2003, 2006, 2006, 2008, 2008, 2009. Any reason not to follow chronological order? Also this hides the fact that the 2009 expansion by 6,100 is described twice (3rd and last paragraphs). Unless there are good reasons not to, follow chronological order, and always avoid needless repetition.
 * Irealize it is easier to find recent sources, but there is a real WP:Weight issue here - three sentences on expansion of seating capacity from 27,000 to 48,000 (and by the way the infobox contradicts this and says the seating capacity was 47,000 in 1972 - which is it). Then nine paragraphs on expansion in the last decade or so that added 12,000 seats.
 * I would put the Usage material into history, as it seems like it would fit better there. Even in the two best developed sections (in Usage) the chronology is all tangled up, which is needlessly confusing.
 * I would also move the playing field material to history (grass, atroturf, more modern stuff)
 * It might help to have a brief description and statistics for the 2011 stadium early on in the article (seating capacity, scoreboard, field) and then go into detail in History on how it got there. Anything that needs it own section can have it later (the scoreboard).
 * The article uses cquote but according the documentation at Template:Cquote this is for pull quotes only, and this should probably use blockquote instead.
 * More pictures please, especially of the inside of the stadium
 * Please make sure that the existing text includes no copyright violations, plagiarism, or close paraphrasing. For more information on this please see Wikipedia_Signpost/2009-04-13/Dispatches. (This is a general warning given in all peer reviews, in view of previous problems that have risen over copyvios.)

Answers to three questions above: Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 18:30, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) Record attendance - look at FA model articles and see how they treat attendance records. I think the top record is fine - am not so sure about the top 10.
 * 2) I would only have the current seating capacity in the infobox. The infobox is a summary of the article and everything in it should be in the article too - this data (seating capacity over time) could be a little table, or a paragraph in the article.
 * 3) Chronlogy in Coaches All America Game is still confusing - I think I would say something like the game, which had started at X Field in Buffalo (years), and moved to Y Stadium in Atlanta (years), came to Jones Field in Lubbock in YEAR when attendance became an issue in Atlanta. Then talk about the Jones years.
 * One more point - it has only been AT&T Jones Satdium since 2008. Do not call it that when the article is talking about past events before 2008. The Coaches All America Game was played in Jones Stadium (NOT AT&T Jones Stadium).

PS This makes no sense to me - which set of stats is correct?? '''The Red Raiders have a posted a 330-156-13 (.673) record at Jones AT&T Stadium record through the 2010 season.[5] Through the 2010 season, in Jones AT&T Stadium, the Red Raiders have posted a record of 181–74.[5] Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 18:36, 3 October 2011 (UTC)