Wikipedia:Peer review/K-Ci & JoJo discography/archive1

K-Ci & JoJo discography
This peer review discussion has been closed. I've listed this article for peer review because I want it to become a FL. The main problem that I think the article has is the lead. It seems redundant, but I'm not sure entirely how I could make that better. Other comments as well would be appreciated!

Thanks, Michael Jester (talk) 07:13, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Review started
Review started.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 05:11, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Toolbox
 * 1) Links check has numerous problems, see here.
 * I noticed that. When I click on the links though, they seem to be working correctly.
 * I would WebCite/archive as many of these as possible to prevent link rot. I'll check each of these ref links later when I get to the References section.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 08:44, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Infobox Done
 * 1) Check singles total, it should not include those As featured artist. Lead will need to be adjusted too.

Lead
 * 1) Run a spell checker? I've found fourty, feautring. Others may exist.
 * 2) three times > three times Note: wikicode has non-breakable space between words that should be kept together. Other instances include number five and Top 40
 * Done


 * 1) As a summary of the discography, the Lead gives unnecessarily detailed information on peak positions. It also becomes difficult to read with the phrase peaked at number repeated some 19×. I suggest cutting down on specific chart peaks when they lie beyond the top 20. Provide some sort of generalised collective, e.g. when talking about Love Always on international charts, try something like reached the top 50 on the Swiss and ARIA Charts, and appeared on the UK and Swedish Albums Chart. Its certification(s) should be in a new sentence.
 * 2) A lot of piped (hidden) wikilinks are linked again after their first mention in the Lead, e.g. New Zealand Top 40 Albums in ¶1 and New Zealand Top 40 Albums in ¶2. De-link second and subsequent appearances in the Lead. By the way, replace the underscore line from any wikilink codes with a space.
 * Done

Done
 * 1) The album produced five singles, including the number-one Billboard song, "All My Life" Wikilink Billboard song to Billboard Hot 100. Furthermore, this sentence ignores its number-one status on other national charts which should be included.
 * 2) In New Zealand, all five singles reached the top 30. This is important enough to be mentioned in the Lead.
 * 3) K-Ci & JoJo released their second studio album, It's Real, in 1999. > In 1999, K-Ci & JoJo released their second studio album, It's Real.
 * 4) In the United States, It's Real peaked at > It's Real peaked at By this stage we know that Billboard 200 is in the US. The phrase In the United States, can be removed where it is obvious.
 * 5) The album consisted of four singles, > The album spawned four singles, or similar.
 * 6) with the earlier peaking at > with the former peaking at
 * 7) If linked earlier (according to my advice at #5), then de-link Billboard Hot 100 at end of ¶2.
 * 8) Quantify series of compilation albums, e.g. three compilation albums
 * 9) A space is missing after compilations albums: in ¶3.
 * 10) Neither album charted in any country. Verify or modify. e.g. Neither album charted in Japan or the US.

More to follow.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 05:54, 24 July 2011 (UTC)


 * I really appreciate all these comments. Thanks! I do have one question, though. Do you think this would have a chance to pass FL without an image? —Michael Jester (talk) 07:29, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
 * See Criterion 5b. It would be more likely to pass with a suitable image, many FL reviewers would expect such an image to be available for a recently charting group.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 08:44, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh ok. I tried a flickr and google image search. But no luck. Is there any other place that I could get a picture from?
 * Have you read Finding images tutorial? Ultimately the FL reviewer(s) will determine whether such an image is readily available or not. If images are not readily available then this alone should not prevent FL.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 22:28, 24 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Note: some reviewers will be annoyed by striking through their comments. Also, other interested editors may not be able to read the struck through sections. A simple Done per section is sufficient.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 08:44, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I did not know that. I wont do it anymore.

More Lead: Is it thirteen or fourteen music videos? Check infobox.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 05:50, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Wikitables More to follow.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 08:44, 24 July 2011 (UTC) Done
 * 1) Fix piped wikilinks to avoid redirects. e.g. AUS > AUS
 * 2) For US R&B fix ref tab order.
 * 3) In Studio albums, what is the format for Love?
 * 4) I don't think the format is correct.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 22:28, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
 * 5) ARIA Platinum for "All My Life", see here.
 * 6) Put Certifications in alphabetical order (Studio albums).shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 22:28, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) In Singles table, is "If You Think You're Lonely Now" a solo release by K-Ci when he was still a member of Jodeci? If not, it becomes K-Ci & JoJo's debut single? While there de-link any albums previously linked in the Albums section.
 * 2) As featured artist and Music videos, "From The Ground Up" > "From the Ground Up"
 * 3) For Music videos: use Director(s) as heading and have content left aligned.

More to follow.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 22:28, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

References
 * 1) For Reflist choose a width suitable for the majority of references. On my browser (Safari), Reflist|3 looks too narrow, I suggest you try something like Reflist|30em or Reflist|25em.
 * 2) For Allmusic refs use the Allmusic template. Simplify the title e.g. K-Ci & JoJo > Discography > Main Albums as the Allmusic is in the work part.
 * 3) De-link second, or subsequent, wikilinks that appear in the References section. e.g. Allmusic and Rovi Corporation were already linked in the General subsection so don't need to be linked again in Specific subsection. As before trim the title & use the template.
 * 4) In terms of title: what's the difference between ref [2] and [3]?
 * 5) Ref[4]: check date & use most recent entry: when did it get 3× Plat?
 * 6) For Hung Median-related refs check the work and title. e.g. Ref[5] title includes hitparade.ch which is covered by Swiss Music Charts in work. The language should be wikilinked to the appropriate article first time it appears in the References.
 * 7) I didn't make myself clear. For the Medien-related refs, >  Only wikilink language first time in References.
 * 8) For ref[6]
 * 9) ARIA supplies the information but is not the work nor publisher at Hung Medien, in this case the work is Australian Charts Portal (unlinked).
 * 10) Consider combining all the Australian Charts Portal refs with Discography K-Ci. This does albums and singles.
 * 11) Australian Charts Portal only show peaks in 1–50. Meanwhile ARIA Charts positions 1–100 are archived here and require more work to find peak positions.
 * 12) According Record charts, "Since Chart Stats is an anonymous archive, its use has been challenged in the past."
 * 13) For ref[9] consider Discography K-Ci for all New Zealand Charts Portal albums and singles. If you need specific RIANZ charts, then according to WP:Record charts, "To link to an individual chart, enter http://rianz.org.nz/rianz/chart.asp?chartNum=XXXX&chartKind=Y with XXXX as a chart number and Y and the kind of chart (S=singles, A=albums, D=DVDs, C=compilations, H=radio airplay)"

More to follow.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 06:54, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Wow. I did not know this much was wrong with it. I'm pretty sure I got everything you mentioned. I might have missed a thing or two though. I tried looking for an image using that link you showed me and the only image I found was a promotional flyer. I'm not sure if that would be suitable or what. Once again, thank you for all the comments. —Michael Jester (talk) 07:43, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * That's one of the big advantages of Peer Review, some-one else can often see mistakes that you are blind to. As for image searching, some people obtain an email from the artist, their management or promo group to get permission for wikipedia to use an image. (I've never done it).shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 20:49, 25 July 2011 (UTC)


 * 1) I see a problem with all 14 of the Vevo refs. I get a message:

"VEVO Sorry! The page you are looking for is not available in your region. VEVO is working hard to make sure all of our videos are available worldwide. In the meantime, watch and enjoy your favorite videos through VEVO on YouTube."
 * I don't know what you can do about this: its the first time I've seen this message. The problem may be transitory. Perhaps the FL reviewer can check the refs if they're based in an accepted region. (I'm in Australia). In any case Vevo should only be wikilinked once in References section. As insurance you might have to find as much of the information as possible in alternate reliable sources.

Michael, I've finished my review, I hope it all goes well with your FLC.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 20:49, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

I appreciate all that you have done for this article! I will try to find different sources for the directors. I wish you well! Michael Jester (talk) 21:03, 25 July 2011 (UTC)