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Kaziranga National Park
This article on an Indian national park and an UNESCO World Heritage Site was selected as Collaboration of the Month (February 2007) on WIkiProject Protected areas of India and had undergone huge expansion. Now wanting review from expert editors to take this article to the FA level or atleast GA level. However I make a request to the editors to correct the minor errors and grammar themselves. Amartyabag  TALK2ME  05:42, 23 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Comments Have not read the whole article yet. Some observations: Please consider creating a daughter article on history, and shift such details as notification numbers, or amounts of areas added to the park to the daughter article. History section needs massive summarization.
 * created need to summarise ✅
 * Do not use citation superscripts in section headers.
 * Removed
 * Try to reduce so many levels of sections. For example, you can get rid of "Flora and fauna" section (which has got multiple levels under it) and have two separate first-level section of "Fauna" and "Flora". ✅
 * The section "Conservation Management" need summary form, and avoiding bold fonts. Consider creating a daughter article.--Dwaipayan (talk) 06:16, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Rewritten and daughter article created and need to summarize ✅
 * I cannot see any locator (red dot or shaded area) in the map.✅--Dwaipayan (talk) 06:21, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Don't know how to resolve this problem, need help from experienced persons.


 * Nice observations, will work on it soon. Amartyabag   TALK2ME  07:40, 23 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Tried to resolve some of the problem. Amartyabag   TALK2ME  11:57, 24 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Review
 * Copyedit needed.
 * Linking the audio to baruah.in is bad style. The link should be internal. Ambuj.Saxena could provide you with one aural rendition.✅
 * Lead size should be doubled in size ✅
 * Etymology can be merged with the lead✅
 * charming American --> remove charming✅
 * ...firewood etc --> etc remove reword✅
 * hectares --> use square km (SI) use the convert template to generate imperial equivalents. (See Climate of India) for working.). Use for all units.✅
 * Unlink standalone years 1918, etc; link full dates like this August 7 1999✅
 * chapories, nallahs? -- meaning needed as they are Indian terms.
 * Already clarified


 * Graph needs to be svg✅
 * If there a rule in Wikipedia not to use other image formats.


 * Geology✅
 * Why are places italicised? Remove ✅
 * Visitor information --> rename as Tourism and rewrite as neutral tone without giving travel information to tourists. (One can access the park, Kaziranga can be accessed easily by road etc)✅ Still may need editing pls review
 * Administration: What is the budget?✅ The actual amount was not provided event to the UNESCO, every year there is a change in the budget. Amartyabag  TALK2ME  05:06, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
 * =Conservation Management= needs to be summarised. Move content to daughter articles and write a summary of the content here.✅ Summarised to about 45% of the original content. Amartyabag  TALK2ME  04:18, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Kaziranga - Karbi Anglong Elephant Reserve -- why is this bold?
 * Removed bold


 * pleasantly mild --> remove word pleasant✅
 * Seasonal variation --> content in this section can be merged with climate and Flora/Fauna✅ and created daughter article
 * This part can be added to both and to avoid redundancy created a subsection

Will pause review. Fix these first and let me know. =Nichalp  «Talk»=  12:52, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Golaghat District --> Golaghat district✅


 * A few comments:
 * "Etymology of the name" → "Etymology" (see India and try to follow its example).
 * Merged with lead
 * Try to reduce the number of one- or two-sentence paragraphs. ✅ to an extent
 * Administration: Try to make the bulleted list into a paragraph since prose is preferred to lists. Same with the Biomes section.✅
 * Flora: Fix the link in the list.✅
 * Constraints: Delete extra spaces.✅
 * Kaziranga in popular culture → In popular culture or just Popular culture✅
 * Fix all Citation(s) needed tags.✅
 * Further reading and viewing: Fit information into Cite book template.✅
 * Can U show me a article where it has been used.
 * External links: KAZIRANGA NATIONAL PARK → Kaziranga National Park. ✅

Happy editing, [ sd ] 17:24, 24 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Done some revision today. Amartyabag   TALK2ME  03:00, 25 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Regarding Cite book, an example of its usage can be found at the "Further reading" section of Pericles. Here's an example of the first book using the template:
 * Also, "Further reading and viewing" could be renamed to "Further information."✅
 * Jaws of Death → Jaws of Death.✅ Cheers, [ sd ] 12:23, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Jaws of Death → Jaws of Death.✅ Cheers, [ sd ] 12:23, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

=Nichalp  «Talk»=  14:08, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Replying
 * SVG: See Image use policy. SVG is recommended. A few people can make is easily for you.
 * Seasonal Variation: I don't think it's redundant. The part about climate can go in climate and the part about animals migrating can go with flora/fauna.✅

Image:Kazi-elegrass.jpg is actually cc-by-nd (acc to original image at FlickR). So are Image:Kazi-openbill.jpg, Image:Kazi-sunbird.jpg, Image:Kazi-pallaseagle.jpg and Image:Kazi-broadleaf.jpg. All these have been tagged as cc-by-sa. So this issue need to be resolved. You can write to the photographer asking for permission to use, or, asking to release those works under cc-by-sa, or just attribution. Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 15:25, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Images
 * Check out this link http://www.flickr.com/photos/pankaj/325052000/ the user agrees to release the photos under the commercial use licensing. Probably this can please the Wikimedia. Also a not so clear about the release type the Flickr user send me an email which is send to the Wikimedia for further clarification. Amartyabag  TALK2ME  12:18, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Could you ask the person to change the license on flickr or mail you the permission? Thanks! =Nichalp   «Talk»=  18:58, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Why are so many figures dating back to a 1984 census? Are there no more recent statistics? =Nichalp  «Talk»=  16:27, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
 * 1984

Only in case of two animals Gaur and Indian Muntjac the datas dated back to 1984 were used and in all the other cases the year 1984 figures are used for only comparision with the present figures. After the 1984 3 worst flood hit the park in 1988, 1987 and 1998, so this is a significant year. We have tried to add datas even of 2005, In India most of the survey are done at an interval of 10 years, so most of the datas were of 1999 when the last survey of many animals were done. Reference provided in all cases and the figures are taken from reliable sources like UNESCO and other government surveys. Amartyabag  TALK2ME  04:08, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Reply

There are no special geological features in the area of Kaziranga as there is in case of the US national parks. We have to use some facts from the geology of Assam and India which are not much influential in Kaziranga. Amartyabag  TALK2ME  04:08, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Geology


 * Need more suggestion and further review. Amartyabag  TALK2ME  04:18, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

I have done some structural changes and copyedits in order to reduce redundancy and the article to appear less touristy. Sections like "Transport", "Recreational activities" have been added instead of Tourist activities. Also, new section on "Climate" (with subsection "seasonal variation") has been created in order to lessen the number of subsections under Geography. However, I feel "Fauna" needs several subsections. Have not yet read "Fauna" and "Flora", so cannot comment on those. However apparaently it seems "Biomes" could be incorporated in "Flora", not sure though. The article has a heavy burden of red links which needs to be blued. Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 19:25, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Update


 * Thanks Dwaipayan, further review can produce better result. Amartyabag   TALK2ME  08:51, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Comment-->The citation #23 that Assam has the higest number of Elephants needs examination. From 2001 census, Karnataka with >6000 and Kerela with almost 6000 perhaps have a higher population than Assam. South India in general has >14000 of the the 27600 Asian elephants in India. A well written article in general.✅ Removed wrong statementDineshkannambadi 00:00, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

comment -->I will look up on the tiger density info (tigers/sq km).Dineshkannambadi 00:02, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

comment -->I may have missed it but is there a mention made that at the turn of the last century, there were as few as 8 Rhinos left in Kaziranga?. An interesting table would be one that shows the decadal growth of Rhino population , poaching numbers, tourist arrivals etc. This may be available from sources such as www.Indianjungles.com or www.Sanctuaryasia.com.Dineshkannambadi 20:19, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

I see the Rhino and elephant census chart exists.Dineshkannambadi 21:38, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Comment *The clouded leopard is not a big cat. Weighting in at 15-20kgs, it is a lesser cat (Encyclopedia of Mammals, David Macdonald, p49) I guess opinions vary.Dineshkannambadi 03:35, 6 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Why is Gangetic Dolphin mentioned and not Brahmaputra Dolphin.
 * Gangaetic Dolphin is a more popular name and have good references.


 * why almost 478 birds? Please provide exact number or remove "almost".✅


 * wikilink Nallah ✅Dineshkannambadi 22:07, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Comment
 * Indian Muntjac and Barking deer are one and the same. DoneDineshkannambadi 15:35, 7 April 2007 (UTC)


 * 30 Gaurs and 58 Sambar are not really considered significant populations. In fact 30 gaur is a non viable population.


 * The tiger density I have verified is the highest in Kaziranga but only by a small margin compared to Nagarahole (Karnataka), Kanha (Madhya Pradesh). These numbers can vary from year to year. Unless the population density is significantly higher than anywhere else, its probably better to to just say its "among the highest".
 * highest is is the highest, a first in exam by 0.1% is always first, when we have good references no need to remove. Amartyabag   TALK2ME  14:09, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Reply-->I understand. But if things change in a few years and number of Tigers fall at Kaziranga, then unless someone changes the information in the article to convey the latest info, the article would be providing incorrect information to the readers.Just a thought, not a bias.Dineshkannambadi 22:00, 13 April 2007 (UTC)


 * A paragraph on butterflies and insects is necessary.


 * Sloth bear in Kaziranga!!. Is there a citation for this. Very rare east of Bengal, most common in south and central India .verifiedDineshkannambadi 03:13, 6 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I noticed at one point a total bird count of 479. I dont see that in some of the articles I have read. Seems like ~350 is more like it.Please verify this. Its better to quote stable numbers for resident, migratory and vagrant birds.
 * removed from main article, yet the reference is taken from a good source.

Dineshkannambadi 17:50, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

*Error-->First of all, the term Royal Bengal Tiger is not a name used by conservationists. Indian Tiger is the correct terminology. Second, the link Royal Bengal Tiger takes you to a page which was perhaps written in haste. I realise it is not within the scope of this article to rectify mistakes in linked pages. The geography of the tiger on this page is shown as only eastern and central India, completely ignoring the fact that some of the most viable and stable populations of the Tiger is in the western Ghats of Karnataka, Tamil Nadu and Kerala. Karnataka alone comes 3rd in census reports with 402 tigers (2001). The Nilgiri Bio-sphere reserve has the largest concentration of tigers after Madhyapradesh and combined populations of Sundarbans in India and Bangladesh .Dineshkannambadi 18:37, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Wow — lots of work being done. Several more comments:
 * Introduction: Does Tiger Reserve have to be capitalized?
 * Needs, coz' it is the official name


 * Introduction: Same with this sentence: The park has large breeding populations of Elephant, Water Buffalo and Swamp Deer. Do all the animal names need to be capitalized?
 * Don't know if there is some norms like this in Wikipedia. Someone may throw more light into this.

Happy editing, [ sd ] 01:31, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
 * History: River Brahmaputra → Brahmaputra River. The article about the Brahmaputra is also called Brahmaputra River.✅
 * History: P D Stracey → P.D. Stracey✅
 * History: On February 11, 1974, the 430 km² (166 mi²) park was given official status.[7]. Extra period after citation not needed.✅
 * History: Kaziranga though, has remained unaffected by it, and reports of insurgents protecting the animals, and in extreme cases killing poachers, have been reported since the 1980s. → However, Kaziranga has remained unaffected by the movement. Instances of insurgents protecting the animals, and in extreme cases killing the poachers, have been reported since the 1980s.✅
 * Geography: Kaziranga is composed of flat expanses of fertile, alluvial soil. Wikilink alluvial soil.✅
 * Geography: animals shelter during floods → animals go to for shelter during floods.✅
 * Geography: park experiences three seasons, summer → park experiences three seasons: summer✅
 * Fauna: Migratory birds from Central Asia that arrive here during winter on include. The word on not necessary.✅
 * Fauna: Birds of prey include the rare Eastern Eastern Imperial Eagle, Greater Spotted Eagle. Eastern is a repeated word.✅
 * Fauna: As a reader, the word include is used a little too much. I suggest using synonyms of include for some variety.
 * Flora: The invasive species Water Hyacinth → The invasive Water Hyacinth✅
 * Administration: First paragraph: ... park receives ... park also receives .. park also receives. Try to have a little variety in the wording.
 * Administration: administrative head quarter → administrative headquarters✅
 * Conservation Management: Conservation Management → Conservation management✅
 * Conservation Management: the poaching of Rhinoceros for its horn → the poaching of rhinoceros for its horn✅
 * Visitor activities: Wildlife watching, including birding is the → Wildlife watching, including birding, is the✅
 * Transport: (approx. 217 → (approximately 217✅
 * External links: Perhaps you could include Districts of Assam.
 * May include after the template is redone with Geography and related topics.

Done with some of the suggestion by Dinesh and SD. Amartyabag  TALK2ME  13:57, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Update

It took me 9 years to see my first tiger (at Bhadra WLS, Karnataka) and I am only a wildlife enthusiast, and as many years for famous conservationist Ullas Karanth. Given this situation, claiming Kaziranga or any park in India has the highest number of tigers based on census is nothing but a "Hand wave". This is the reason I said not to adhere to web articles or even research articles about tiger census and numbers. Nobody really knows how many tigers are there in India. However I would concede that Kaziranga is one of the better protected parks in India.Dineshkannambadi 13:37, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Important comment-> regarding Tiger census. It is very evident and acknowledged all over India that the pug mark method used for tiger census over the decades has been highly ineffectual and inaccurate. Even wildlife biologists no longer accept tiger numbers given at various sanctuaries as accurate. Sariska lost all of its tigers years ago but the officials continued to claim 50 tigers.

Support THe article summarizes the most important elements of the Park very well and clearly displays GA quality. It has improved considerably ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦  "Expecting you" Contribs 17:57, 28 April 2007 (UTC)