Wikipedia:Peer review/List of West Virginia state parks/archive1

===List of West Virginia state parks===


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 * A script has been used to generate a semi-automated review of the article for issues relating to grammar and house style; it can be found on the automated peer review page for June 2008.

This peer review discussion has been closed. I've listed this article for peer review because the article is complete and ready for peer review. Can you suggest improvements?

Thanks, WVhybrid (talk) 03:22, 11 June 2008 (UTC) :Note: Because of its length, this peer review is not transcluded. It is still open and located at Peer review/List of West Virginia state parks/archive1.

I've made some tweaks. I hope it helps.  y'  am'can (wtf?) 12:19, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Ruhrfisch comments: I removed the semi-automated peer review here per the instructions above, to save space, and to allow this request to be transcluded at WP:PR so others can see and review it. It is listed here.
 * I would look at List of Pennsylvania state parks as a model list.
 * I agree, it is a nice list. At the least the locator map needs to be coded and added.WVhybrid (talk)
 * I made the map in the Pennsylvania article and can help if needed here. There is a WV base locator map already at Image:West Virginia Locator Map.PNG Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 12:52, 13 June 2008 (UTC)


 * The lead needs to be expanded - see WP:LEAD
 * You are right.WVhybrid (talk)


 * The colors for recreational areas of WV add nothing to the list in my opinion - they are difficult to distinguish from each other in several cases and since the key is at the bottom, I read the whole list before I had any idea of what the colors even meant.
 * The colors were put in a couple of years ago to satisfy an insistent editor's need display the tourism regions. At first the color key was alongside the top of the list, but somewhere along the way it slipped to the bottom.  I'll discuss this comment with some other editors before making a decision.WVhybrid (talk)
 * The list is wide enough to add a column for this if it needs to be included. Could also use letter footnotes. Dates established could also be added as a column. Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 12:52, 13 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Any reason the list is not sortable?
 * 1)It's a pretty short list. Other than a gee-whiz factor, what practical use could a sort provide. 2) There aren't a lot of columns to sort on. 3) This is a complicated table.  Would the split columns (such as the multiple county parks) really sort? 4)I'll try testing  a sort, but I suspect it may not sort without extensive revisions. WVhybrid (talk)
 * Assuming sorting works, not all columns have to be sortable, but if dates were in and hectares were in the same column as acres, one could sort by size or date or even by camping, etc. Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 12:52, 13 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Forcing images to fit into the table cell distorts them and they do not look as good as they could.
 * Difficult to reply in the affirmative to this comment. 1) The photos were taken by multiple individuals using different cameras, different aspect ratios, and pixel sizes. Fitting them untouched into the table would be difficult. 3) None of the thumbnail photos in the table were "distorted" by stretching an axis, they were all prepared by cropping, then using the wiki server engine to shrink the full size photo to a 100 x 100 pixel size. 4)  Clicking on the thumbnails leads to the original posting.  5) Isn't clicking through a thumbnail a common Internet web feature.  On all the browsers I tested the page on, the cursor always indicates the thumbnail photos are clickable.  5) One or more of the original photos were cropped to almost square by the original owner before posting.  Using an aspect ratio different than 1 to 1 would result in non-uniform presentation in the table.
 * Any thought you have on better treatment of the photos would be great.WVhybrid (talk)
 * At a quick read through I did not realize the links were to cropped images - strike my suggestion and sorry. Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 12:52, 13 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Add a caption the image in the lead (which is a great picture - very nice)
 * Will be done. I recall the photo was posted by a visitor from Europe.  You praise leads me to think the photo should be nominated for featured status.  I think I will do that soon.WVhybrid (talk)


 * I would use Image:Stonewall Jackson Lake.JPG for the table image for Stonewall Jackson Lake State Park - the sign tell me nothing about the park
 * Will do. WVhybrid (talk)


 * Any reason why hectares can't be in the same column as acres?
 * Not really reasons, but 1) A lot of coding to change it 2) Two columns makes the table look bigger 3) No other lame excuses except that I like two columns. B-)  WVhybrid (talk)


 * Last column of Tomlinson Run has a stray (4) floating there with no link or explanation
 * Note 4, shown below the table, indicated miniature golf is available. I'll have to think about that one.  Perhaps a checkmark and a note are appropriate to avoid confusion.WVhybrid (talk)


 * The park map is almost certainly not jutified under fair use
 * Although the state agency has granted use of their map, it wasn't granted using one of the acceptable licenses. I think your comment justifies losing the map from the article.  I'll let someone with a few orders of magnitude more edits to decide about the photo.  I do know it was deleted and then replaced along with the email from the state agency. WVhybrid (talk)

Hope this helps, Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 13:47, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * It certainly did help. A very thoughtful and obviously very experienced in the wiki ways review. Thank you. WVhybrid (talk) 04:01, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Internet references need url, title, publisher, author and date (if known), and date accessed. Most seem to lack publisher.

cite web may help, Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 12:52, 13 June 2008 (UTC)


 * DONE WVhybrid (talk) 05:16, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Dincher comments
 * The colors in the rows and columns are distracting.
 * The picture at the top is amazing! A fantastic picture.
 * The pictures in the columns are distorted and take away from their good qualities.
 * A clickable map would be neat.
 * Try to use the List of Pennsylvania state parks as a model. It's a featured list. Reviewers have already looked it over, very thoroughly. Why not use their comments to your advantage?
 * I commend you on finding a pic from every park. This is very nice work.
 * Let me know if you need anything else. Have a good one! Dincher (talk) 23:27, 13 June 2008 (UTC)