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List of works of John Douglas (new churches)

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This peer review discussion has been closed. I've listed this list for peer review because I should like to submit it as a FLC when it is ready. Suggestions for improvements are welcome. The list consists of all the churches designed by John Douglas (omitting those that were not built).

Thanks, Peter I. Vardy (talk) 15:10, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Quick comment: Is there any reason why this is not named "List of new churches by John Douglas"? How many churches did he revise / alter / remodel? Could it just be "List of churches by John Douglas"? By the way, I glanced at it quickly and it looks well done. Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 16:29, 30 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your comment. The title sort of evolved, but I agree it is clumsy.  My problem is that Douglas designed in the order of 500 buildings and structures.  Not all of these are sufficiently notable to merit a place in a list, but a high proportion of them are.  So I had to split the original list, because it was unmanageable.  The other lists on which I am working are List of works of John Douglas (church restorations, amendments and furniture) (51 items), List of works of John Douglas (houses and associated buildings) (68 items), and List of works of John Douglas (other buildings and structures) (57 items).  Perhaps these titles could also be amended in the way you suggest.  What do you think?  Peter I. Vardy (talk) 18:40, 30 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Is there already a FL on architects works that has a title to follow? Or is there any sort of Wikiproject Architecture guideline on naming such list articles? I think I would prefer "List of X by John Douglas" where X is new churches or houses and associated buildings or church restorations and amendments... To me it just seems odd / awkward to repeat "works" in each title followed by the actual topic in parentheses. I would also make a dab for List of works of John Douglas whatever the names wind up being. Hope this helps, Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 19:59, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Finetooth comments: I agree with User:Ruhrfisch that "List of new churches by John Douglas" would be better. When it comes to titles, heads, and subheads, brevity is good.

Lead
 * "He is probably best remembered though for his incorporation of vernacular elements in his buildings... " - Slightly tighten by deleting "though"?
 * "in which he was influenced by the black-and-white revival in Chester" - Would it be useful to link to black and white village or to briefly explain the term?
 * "John Douglas was born in the Cheshire village of Sandiway and was articled to the Lancaster architect... " - "Articled" may be a term unfamiliar to some readers. Would it be useful to link it to articled clerk or to briefly explain it or to use a word like "apprenticed"?
 * "Grade II* contains "particularly important buildings... " - Maybe "includes" rather than "contains"?

GeoGroup Template
 * I believe the GeoGroupTemplate belongs in an "External links" section rather than in the main text since the links are to external sites. "External links" would come after the "References" section.

New churches
 * Wikilink vestry in the description of St John the Baptist's Church?
 * Wikilink nave in the description of St Ann's Church?
 * Wikilink chancel in the description of Christ Church?
 * Perhaps link slate and lead in the description of St Stephen's Church?
 * Wikilink curate in the description of St Barnabas?
 * Wikilink manor house in the description of Chapel of the Good Shepherd?
 * Wikilink flats in the description of St Deiniol's Church?
 * Cap L but lowercase "c" for Lady chapel in the description of St James Church?
 * Wikilink steeple in the description of St David's Welsh Church? Also, if Douglas & Fordham was the official name, the ampersand is correct. Otherwise, it should be Douglas and Fordham.
 * Generally, Wikipedia does not use Mr. or Mrs. to identify people. In the Christ Church entry, Mrs. Eleanor Frost should be Eleanor Frost, I believe, and the description would begin, "The church was built in memory of Frost's husband, Charles... "
 * In the description of St David's Welsh Church, hyphenate "Welsh-speaking"?

See also
 * The Commons template could be added here too.

References
 * Rather than embedding a numbered link to the DNB with no explanation, it might be helpful to add a note to the end of the reference explaining that the | Oxford Dictionary of National Biography is available online by subscription.

I hope these few suggestions prove helpful. If so, please consider reviewing another article on a topic of your choice. Finetooth (talk) 23:27, 31 July 2009 (UTC)


 * All the above done, other than the ampersand which is part of the official name of the partnership. Peter I. Vardy (talk) 16:40, 3 August 2009 (UTC)