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Little Thetford
This peer review discussion has been closed. I've listed this article for peer review because I am the significant editor of what was a stub two weeks ago. I am new to wikipedia editing. I have stumbled my way around the process. This article has recently been through Request For Feedback - see [RFF of Little Thetford]. I have referenced as best I can (as a new editor) wikipedia editing resources such as MOS, How to write about settlements; and also by reading more complete similar articles to this one such as Chatteris, Navenby,Wormshill but not Stretham, Wilburton, Haddenham as they are still stubs. I do not hope to get anywhere near the quality of places such as Chatteris on my own, hence this request. I realise everyone is busy so I hesitate to ask for a whole article review. However, in this case, as I said, the article was recently a stub. Therefore, a whole review is needed. Thank you in advance to anyone who stumbles by; even if you do not directly contribute.
 * This peer review discussion has been closed.

Thanks, Senra (talk) 15:50, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

I think you have done really well in expanding this article. It is still marked as a stub on the talk page & it certainly isn't that. I know little of Cambridgeshire but have been a significant contributor to articles about similar sized villages (see Chew Stoke).
 * In the infobox you have a link to ECDS which isn't specifically about the village - is this appropriate?
 * The hidden-text in Template:Infobox_UK_place for the | website= parameter seems clear unless I have misinterpreted it. In the meantime, stet --Senra (talk) 23:43, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Changed link to http://www.eastcambs.gov.uk/node/80 from http://www.eastcambs.gov.uk/ --Senra (talk) 03:21, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I think the specifically means to this specific place - ie is there a web site for the parish council, rather than the much wider district council?&mdash; Rod talk 08:18, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I am not sure then. I do not want to use LittleThetford.org village information for example, as it is too ephemeral. The council site, http://www.eastcambs.gov.uk/, is at least a parent council and is likely to be a stable site. The village produces a newsletter every two months via LittleThetford.org village information. Currently linked to county council website page of Little Thetford councillors. I need more help here I think. stet for now --Senra (talk) 20:12, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Done. Issue was council site hiding true url. Fixed by sending link to myself. --Senra (talk) 09:13, 13 June 2010 (UTC)


 * In the lead you describe it as "picturesque" - it may well be but that sort of claim needs to be referenced to a source or could be considered POV.
 * Pugh, A.B. in VHE vol 4, 1953, p. 152 describes "It presents a picturesque appearance from the railway, ..." Not yet cited. Will cite. stet and cite. --Senra (talk) 23:43, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Cited. --Senra (talk) 20:12, 12 June 2010 (UTC)


 * England isn't generally wikilinked --Senra (talk) 23:43, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
 * You might review the link to River Great Ouse - the capitalisation of river Great Ouse is a little strange. I would capitalise the R or just make the text show Great Ouse - is it the ford or the river which "leads" into the village ? flow. Also the link to the river shouldn't occur twice in quick succession.
 * Sentence now reads: "...there was once a ford, across the Great Ouse, leading into the village..." --Senra (talk) 23:43, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Is it the river or the road which is leading? The same format "river Great Ouse" appears in history (& possibly other sections).&mdash; Rod talk 08:18, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Reworded. --Senra (talk) 20:18, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
 * The varied capitalisation still occurs in the boundary section of Geography & transport & is different in Community facilities.&mdash; Rod talk 22:20, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Chosen to make it consitent as "river Great Ouse" throughout. --Senra (talk) 03:04, 13 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Ely is also wikilinked twice in the lead
 * --Senra (talk) 00:07, 12 June 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure if the term As the crow flies is needed
 * I believe it is, erm, was in order to qualify the sentence. Removed "as the crow flies" plus preceeding prose. --Senra (talk) 00:07, 12 June 2010 (UTC)


 * The lead could be expanded a bit to fully summarise the content of the article
 * Agreed. Will come back to this. --Senra (talk) 00:07, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
 * added bit about enclosure so done for now - feel free to suggest anything else you feel might fit into lead as I am too close to the article now. In the meantime, --Senra (talk) 11:00, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

History
 * You have 3 references at the end of the first paragraph - do they all relate to all the content within it? if not you could move them to the bits they support - particularly if any relate to the toponomy of the name (which really needs sourcing).
 * Interesting. When I first wrote the article I place all references tyhroughout at the end of the sentence they were qualifying. I have sinced move them too the end of the paragraphs as I felt they disturbed the flow. Perhaps because there are a lot of references. Anyway, I will adress this by putting all references throughout back to the end of the sentence they are qualifying. --Senra (talk) 00:07, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
 * This is an ongoing debate, but I feel it needs to be clear which reference supports which fact.&mdash; Rod talk 08:18, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Agreed. The re-work will now reveal that more (or less) references are needed. But for now anway, --Senra (talk) 20:18, 12 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Phrases such as "It seems reasonable to believe" are best avoided it smacks of personal opinion. If one of the sources has made this claim then add the reference.
 * Agreed. --Senra (talk) 00:07, 12 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Did anything happen between the Domesday Book and 1833? eg anything related to the English Civil War
 * Not in Little Thetford. I can guess Cromwell had a beer in one of the many ale-houses but I cannot find citeable evidence of this. I take your point. Will research further.--Senra (talk) 00:07, 12 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Can you find out which of the Inclosure Acts applied? Interesting story - but again needs sourcing -"Summarised from St. George's Church, Little Thetford, History" doesn't really enable anyone to check or find out more information.
 * I know. This one worries me too. Meeting local historian who wrote the piece next week. I hope to obtain references then. In the meantime stet?--Senra (talk) 00:07, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Incl. Acts cites as notes. Detail was from VCH. --Senra (talk) 20:20, 12 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Should "Stretham and Little Thetford was recorded" be Stretham and Little Thetford were recorded - but I'm not a grammar expert
 * Erm, niether I am to :) --Senra (talk) 00:07, 12 June 2010 (UTC)


 * The direct quote from M Petty, 2010 needs to be referenced
 * The source of my summary of the event is referenced: Ely Standard (Ely Library). January 1941.
 * Might need the title of the story & page it appeared on in the paper
 * Not sure what you mean. Mike said it. It is not written down anywhere. stet (for now) --Senra (talk) 00:28, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
 * If it is not written down anywhere no-one else can check/access it. Personal communication is just one persons opinion - not verifiable. If M Petty is an established expert it might be useful, otherwise I'd try to find an alternative source - something like the London Gazette often has details of where the king & queen were on particular days for official visits.&mdash; Rod talk 08:18, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Sourced quote as from Petty, M.J. MBE, MA, ALA --Senra (talk) 21:54, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
 * After speaking to local a dignitary today I have seen the source photocopies BUT there are no dates or even publication references on them. This means an incredibly boring visit to local library to examine rolls of microfiche. This will happen before end of next week but likely much earlier. Seeing Mike Petty on Tuesday for some local (hopefully copyright free) photos to so I will ask him. By the way it is |Petty, M.J. MBE, MA, ALA so I do not know if this is notable enough? Anyway, for now stet --Senra (talk) 20:25, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Governance
 * Personally I wouldn't say the "see also" link was particularly relevant to this village & anyone looking for information on Politics of the United Kingdom
 * Agreed. --Senra (talk) 00:28, 12 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Presumably the "the ward of Stretham" is part of ECDC but this isn't clear
 * It needs rewording then. That is also why I wikilinked. A ward is a civil administrative unit which usually consists of at least one but usually more parishes. It is part of the, erm, politic of the UK that I just removed. Anyway, stet for now whilst I think about this --Senra (talk) 00:28, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Reworded but needs to be read by a politics expert --Senra (talk) 09:13, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Also be careful about linking to parish it could be church or local government - I think civil parish is meant here. &mdash; Rod talk 08:18, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Agreed. --Senra (talk) 20:31, 12 June 2010 (UTC)


 * South East Cambridgeshire (UK Parliament constituency) & East of England (European Parliament constituency) are in the infobox but not in the text within this section
 * Agreed. To be fixed by me or someone who knows about politics! --Senra (talk) 00:28, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Better but someone reading this article probably doesn't need to know how many constituencies there are - just which one is relevant here. A form of words I have used elsewhere is "The parish is represented in the House of Commons of the Parliament of the United Kingdom as part of South East Cambridgeshire. It elects one Member of Parliament (MP) by the first past the post system of election. It is also part of the East of England constituency of the European Parliament which elects seven MEPs using the d'Hondt method of party-list proportional representation.&mdash; Rod talk 10:00, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
 * erm, used your words! --Senra (talk) 11:00, 13 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Is "is responsible to" the right term in ECDC is responsible to Cambridgeshire County Council? also noticed ref 10 (ECDC) is a link to a wikipedia page - wp pages can't be used as a reference source for information included on other wp pages.
 * East Cambridgeshire District Council is one of 4 (or 5?) councils that Cambridgeshire County Council manage. So ...is responsible to... I think is correct. However, I accept that there may be better grammar to describe the relationship. So for now, stet --Senra (talk) 00:28, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I had a go at rewording this section --Senra (talk) 09:13, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I would speculate that the council is responsible to the electorate, but perhaps managed by the county?&mdash; Rod talk 08:18, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
 * reworded. --Senra (talk) 20:36, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Strictly you are incorrect. The reference 10 (ECDC) is a reference to a pamphlet. The link in that reference is a Cite-->authorlink parameter which I believe is intended to reference wikipedia? In this case, there is no URL to the pamphlet. If I am wrong, I am sure you will correct me, but for now stet --Senra (talk) 00:28, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I think the authorlink is intended to be used where the author (person rather than organisation) has a wikipedia article
 * Agreed. --Senra (talk) 20:36, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Geography
 * similarly I wouldn't have see also links to Geology of Great Britain, Boundary Commissions (United Kingdom) or Climate of the United Kingdom - but I would to The Fens
 * Agreed but slightly unsure. So commented out for now.


 * Boundaries - the railway line passing through isn't really a boundary
 * Agreed. Railway removed. --Senra (talk) 00:41, 12 June 2010 (UTC)


 * The English in "almost certainly Soham Lode for example" doesn't seem quite right - but I'm not sure why
 * Agreed. Reworded. --Senra (talk) 00:41, 12 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Drainage and the Fens - Who says they are "probably the most famous"?
 * Me? Erm, we all know about him in the Fens. Removed. --Senra (talk) 00:41, 12 June 2010 (UTC)


 * The drainage seems to be pretty significant & could be expanded - possibly with mention in the history section
 * Not agreed. A couple of reasons.
 * Drainage is fully covered in
 * True it is history but it is also geography and the history section is big enough. Was trying to balance the article as a whole
 * stet --Senra (talk) 00:48, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
 * We shouldn't require the reader to click through for significant information - if it is relevant to several articles then it should be in several articles - perhaps reworded to give a more local relevance.&mdash; Rod talk 08:18, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok. Agreed. Added a little but more to add. --Senra (talk) 20:43, 12 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Climate - "warm in summer and cold and frosty in winter" seems a bit non specific - is it warn to someone reading this in equatorial Africa or cold to an Eskimo - can you get average temperatures or something?
 * Cambridge uses . My figures would be the same as theirs as the MET OFFICE nearest (main) weather station is in Cambridge. I did not want to repeat the same figures hence the general summary. stet for now but will mull on your comments --Senra (talk) 00:48, 12 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Could a reader want to know "Regional UK climate forecasts and historical summaries are available from the UK Met Office" - could you give a flavour in the article? Template:Cambridge weatherbox may be useful
 * Will consider this but again needs thought as covered in good detail in cambridge anyway --Senra (talk) 01:06, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Added (modified) so ? --Senra (talk) 11:04, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Demography
 * similar comment re See also link
 * Similar response. Have commented it out but personally, I think it is useful. Still --Senra (talk) 01:06, 12 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Is there any data on the make up of the population eg age/gender profile, racial, ethnic or religious
 * Yes. Will add more prose. --Senra (talk) 01:06, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Added some data. --Senra (talk) 11:57, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Economy
 * similar comment re See also link
 * Similar response. Have commented it out but personally, I think it is useful. Actually mulling it over as I type. perhaps more useful to reader as a regional rather than uk linl. Still for the moment, --Senra (talk) 01:06, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Community facilties
 * By this point Stretham and the Ouse have been linked many times
 * Yes but MOS says do not wikilink more than once per section? I corrected the duplicate links you mentioned above when they were within a section. What happens if a reader uses contents to jump into a section? May I leave this for other reviewers and if there is a concensus I will address it? stet for now? (with your permission) --Senra (talk) 01:06, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I need help here. I accept that wikilinks to the same wiki-page should not occur more than once per section. If they do in this article, it is accidental. Should words such as river great ouse be wikilinked more than once per article? For now stet --Senra (talk) 20:43, 12 June 2010 (UTC)


 * A "well used" bench might by POV
 * Agreed. --Senra (talk) 01:06, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Notable buildings
 * The Church of St George is a grade II* listed building, according to the entry at Images of England] not Grade II as described in the article
 * Agreed. --Senra (talk) 01:06, 12 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Why do we need to know the Dovecote "was never a windmill"? - try to avoid "See for example" & work the link into the text
 * agreed. Removed. --Senra (talk) 01:18, 12 June 2010 (UTC)


 * "According to local legend" really needs a reference
 * Agreed. stet for now but working on it --Senra (talk) 03:16, 12 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Having picture galleries in mid article is not common practice - could you work the pictures into the rest of the article?
 * Not sure how to answer this. They were inline then moved to gallery. See Talk:Little_Thetford. Will re-consider back in-line now there is more prose. --Senra (talk) 01:18, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Moved back in-line --Senra (talk) 03:04, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Transport
 * Similar comment re See also link
 * commented out --Senra (talk) 01:18, 12 June 2010 (UTC)


 * "Look out for this distinctive" sounds like a travel guide
 * Removed "Look out for this distinctive twin-engined bi-plane. " but I am crying inside. That is a beautiful machine. Pulls sad face. Anyway, --Senra (talk) 01:18, 12 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Several paragraphs in this section are unreferenced
 * Will work on this --Senra (talk) 03:42, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Added refs to bus section. The road section, specifically cul-de-sac, is through local knowledge. Is that allowed to be un-referenced? In the meantime, --Senra (talk) 12:13, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

References and notes
 * Several of the references could do with a tweak to their formatting eg
 * 3 doesn't need the URL of the publisher
 * agreed will look at it --Senra (talk) 01:18, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
 * (It is ref 5 now!) any, --Senra (talk) 20:43, 12 June 2010 (UTC)


 * It appears that Ely public library is the place of publication for Oxford University Press which doesn't seem right - this may have been where you consulted it but I think it would have been published in Oxford
 * OK, will check them all. --Senra (talk) 01:18, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Global replace of all occurrences. --Senra (talk) 20:48, 12 June 2010 (UTC)


 * 21 doesn't take me to anything about a tornado - just to general maps
 * copyright issues here. The image is there if you click on the map but anyway, still looking for a copyright free image of one of at least 2 tornados known to have been in the area. stet for now but working on it --Senra (talk) 01:18, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
 * If I click the link it takes me to maps of my local area - as that's what I have in my google maps settings.&mdash; Rod talk 08:18, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Fixed but url is now http://www.panoramio.com/photo/14220121 which is copyright. Need advice here. For now though, --Senra (talk) 21:14, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
 * panoramio link broken for me.&mdash; Rod talk 22:20, 12 June 2010 (UTC)


 * It might be worth separating the notes eg 23 & 24 from the refs
 * Had considered that - even looked up how to do it. Need help though. What I wanted is a notes section for light notes and a references section for citations. I considered using and  . I will re-examine this. stet for now  --Senra (talk) 01:18, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I can help with sorting notes & formatting references if you'd like me to?&mdash; Rod talk 08:18, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I appreciate the offer. Let me give it a go myself for now as I am not sure how wikipedia handles simultaneous editors and I have a lot of work to do on this over the next couple of days. --Senra (talk) 13:47, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Note and references now separate. It has revealed gaps in references but that is fine. Thus more work to do but no under this psecific heading so --Senra (talk) 21:14, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

I hope these comments are helpful & let me know if you want me to take another look.&mdash; Rod talk 22:44, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
 * It's looking better & IMHO not that far off GA standard - I would certainly assess it as a C or B now.&mdash; Rod talk 08:18, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Further comments
 * From 1894 to 1974 it was part of Ely Rural District (see Vision of Britain detail).
 * OK, will look into this. --Senra (talk) 21:14, 12 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Ref 43 (charity commission) doesn't really say anything about the school, but the John Townsend charity might be worth more of a mention somewhere. You could use the Ofsted link on Little Thetford School as a reference (at least for the number of pupils). Where is the nearest secondary school?
 * Email went to the charity yesterday before your review. I hope to get historical information about who he was with permission to use it. Charity commission (reg. 202685) does not say much except to confirm the charity still exists, what its present day aims are, and who the trustees are. The only extra I know at this moment is that "The John Townsend Charity was set up in 1845 and originally known as the Townsends Feoffees. Its name changed to Townsend's Charity Trustees in 1880 and to its current name in 1936."


 * work-in-progress --Senra (talk) 13:47, 12 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Is Barway within the parish?
 * Good question. I looked at the maps (online) and found it hard to tell. Will research this. --Senra (talk) 13:47, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
 * It appears it might be part of Soham which includes some detail (end of 1st history paragraph "archeology") about the trackway & Barway - also needs to be wikilinked to Little Thetford.
 * Agreed. To be done. --Senra (talk) 21:14, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Edited Soham wikilinking Barway and Little Thetford so --Senra (talk) 11:04, 13 June 2010 (UTC)


 * On maps I note a camp site just north of the village - is tourism significant?&mdash; Rod talk 09:19, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Agreed. To be done. --Senra (talk) 21:14, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
 * tourism is not really significant but added note about the site. Very hard to write non travel guide prose for such an entry but had a go so --Senra (talk) 09:46, 13 June 2010 (UTC)


 * If the causeway from Barway towards the village is Bronze Age it is significant enough to get at least a mention. The Bronze age fleshhooks, axes and sword support it & Saxon gold finds also point to a long history - which would be worth mentioning
 * I have a problem here. I do not have permission to quote more than I have. Wikipedia has a significantly more market reach than LittleThetford.org and the local dignitaries have asked me to hold publication for now. Rest assured I intend to put this in when I have permission. stet --Senra (talk) 13:47, 12 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Spoke to them today. Put a few words in. Difficulty appears to be an archaeological paper being presented January 2011 and people here want to wait before putting new stuff to masses. So for the moment (as I have put a few words in) done. --Senra (talk) 21:14, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I look forward to reading it.&mdash; Rod talk 22:20, 12 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Feoffees Almshouse might be worth a mention.&mdash; Rod talk 09:54, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Work-in-progress  --Senra (talk) 13:47, 12 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Would a Template:Distinguish be useful as a hatnote to say "Not to be confused with Thetford." or possibly a direction to Thetford (disambiguation)? &mdash; Rod talk 10:12, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
 * He he he he. User:Jeni rolled-back my original Thetford (disambiguation) hat about 3/6/2010. I actually agree with you. I will take your advice. The following may help (spelled out in case other editors join the debate)
 * Thetford, Cambridgeshire is a civil parish of Stretham
 * Thetford, Cambridgeshire was (perhaps still is need to check) an ecclesiastical parish of Stretham
 * Little Thetford is a beautiful village in Cambridgeshire
 * Thetford is a town in Norfolk
 * Thetford Forest is a large pine forest in Norfolk/Suffolk
 * Agreed. Please suggest which method is best in this instance. --Senra (talk) 13:47, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I would use which produces &mdash; Rod talk 17:43, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
 * That may not work a better one may be which gives .&mdash; Rod talk 18:06, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Agreed. --Senra (talk) 21:14, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

More comments
 * The use of Thetford-in-the-Isle needs a ref.
 * Agreed. --Senra (talk) 03:04, 13 June 2010 (UTC)


 * The bit in climate directing people how to navigate another web site seems out of place.
 * Agreed. Removed. --Senra (talk) 03:09, 13 June 2010 (UTC)


 * In economy "residents probably commute" seems like speculation?
 * Agreed. --Senra (talk) 03:04, 13 June 2010 (UTC)


 * In transport "is shown running" - is shown where? perhaps just "runs"
 * Agreed. --Senra (talk) 03:04, 13 June 2010 (UTC)


 * The plane is back (with much better detail) but still needs a ref or counts as original research
 * Agreed but do not call the beautiful 1945 de Havilland DH-89 Dragon Rapide simply a plane! --Senra (talk) 03:04, 13 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Water & Sewage + Energy sections of Public services - similar comments to previous about the see also templates.
 * Agreed but commented out in-case I have to put them back. --Senra (talk) 03:04, 13 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Energy - "As far as is known" doesn't sound very encyclopedic
 * Agreed. --Senra (talk) 03:04, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
 * natural gas in the last sentence should probably have a capital N. &mdash; Rod talk 10:00, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Done - web search reveals many forms of capitalisation of this term (erm, logically max 4 but anyway). Went with "Natural gas" so --Senra (talk) 11:14, 13 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Health - giving the full address, postcode and grid ref for the doctors surgery in another village seems excessive
 * Agreed. --Senra (talk) 03:04, 13 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Is ref 7 the same as ref 38? they are cited very differently
 * Agreed. --Senra (talk) 03:04, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Now ref 2 - you could still add the URL for the online version to help readers access it
 * agreed. --Senra (talk) 11:14, 13 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Ref 34 needs an accessdate
 * Agreed. --Senra (talk) 03:04, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

I hope I'm not being too picky with some of these comments which may not be a problem at GA - but definitely would be at FA & you have said this is your long term aim. You are doing great work on the article up to now & I'm impressed with the speed you are making edits - I thought I was fast at responding. tell me to stop if these comments are too much.&mdash; Rod talk 22:20, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Acknowledged--Senra (talk) 23:11, 12 June 2010 (UTC) but need to rest. Will address certainly over next few days.
 * You are not being picky. FA is a long way away. You are indeed correct. I set FA as a long term aim. I am so very happy the article is no longer STUB status. Short-term aim complete. There is still work to do which is detailed above. Some of it needs thought (adding a climate box for example) and some of it needs research. In turn, I am impressed with the thoroughness of the review. It makes me reconsider my own personal view of Wikipedia following the Seigenthaler incident. Anyway, I am on this case. Would you check completeness of the following as I think they are done
 * In the infobox you have a link to ECDS which isn't specifically about the village - is this appropriate?
 * The direct quote from M Petty, 2010 needs to be referenced
 * Also, I need help with wording the parish, ward, district-council, and county-council stuff as I am somehow missing your point entirely here.
 * --Senra (talk) 03:06, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Well done for the additional work. I've struck lots of comments, including the one about ECDC in infobox, but I still think the Petty quote needs a reference (despite the letters after his name). Would you like me to ask a friendly copy editor who is much better at grammar than I am to take a look? Either way I think you will soon be set to nominate this for GA.&mdash; Rod talk 10:00, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Input from a copy editor would be superb! I have tried to stick to the MoS and tried to use correct grammar but I suspect I have failed both miserably. So yes please. --Senra (talk) 10:33, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Well done for the continued improvements.&mdash; Rod talk 18:14, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I think this review has run its course. There are still a small number of items left to fix. I have taken an off-line copy of all of the above so I do not lose them— I guess there is an established procedure for archive. Anyway, I will copy the un-resolved items to the article To-do-list or Work-in-progress list as appropriate. The next steps for this article are clearly listed in the articles discussion page. Having been reading GA (and FA) criteria, my own (and it appears Malleus) opinion is that this article is not yet ready. Perhaps 1 – 2 weeks work remain for GA. In the meantime, may I request that you, Rod talk, close the review now. I am not yet confident I will handle the peer-review procedures correctly.  --Senra (talk) 13:27, 15 June 2010 (UTC)


 * There does not appear to be any way I can privately talk to other Wikipedians. May I therefore take this public opportunity to thank Rod talk, Malleus Fatuorum and all others who have quietly or otherwise supported me here. --Senra (talk) 13:27, 15 June 2010 (UTC)