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Madia Gond

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 * A script has been used to generate a semi-automated review of the article for issues relating to grammar and house style; it can be found on the automated peer review page for February 2009.

This peer review discussion has been closed. I've listed this article for peer review because I wish that this article is selected as a featured article. Thanks, Yogesh Khandke (talk) 05:42, 20 February 2009 (UTC) Ruhrfisch comments: Interesting article, and while it is clear a lot of work has gone into it, much more is needed before this is anywhere near ready for Featured Article status. Here are some suggestions for improvement. Hope this helps. If my comments are useful, please consider peer reviewing an article, especially one at Peer review/backlog (which is how I found this article). Yours, Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 21:28, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Please read the Featured article criteria carefully. A model article is useful for ideas and examples to follow Azerbaijani people is a FA and may be a useful model.
 * Links to disambiguation (dab) pages should be avoided and links should only be made to pages that are accurate, but the very first sentence links their alternate names incorrectly to Madia (a flower) and Maria (a dab that has one link of many back here)
 * Some terms that should be linked or explained are not, such Naxal in The Madia Gonds are strongly affected by Naxal activities.
 * The lead should be an accessible and inviting overview of the whole article. Nothing important should be in the lead only - since it is a summary, it should all be repeated in the body of the article itself. My rule of thumb is to include every header in the lead in some way. Please see WP:LEAD
 * Watch POV language like astonishing in  an astonishing 91.08 percent of Madia Gond families lived Below Poverty Line[7] or this Madia children are competing with students across the state and have proved that they are second to none.[10]
 * Ref 1 is the only one used for "Physical features, farming techniques, garments and ornaments" but it is about 100 years old - surely things have changed some since?
 * Internet refs need URL, title, author if known, publisher and date accessed. cite web and other cite templates may be helpful. See WP:CITE and WP:V

What I have done
Yogesh Khandke (talk) 11:28, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Azerbaijan: I will study.
 * Dab etc. links removed.
 * No, there are still several dabs left - see here
 * Naxal had an internal link further in the article, I have added it in the lead too.
 * The lead needs to be rewritten, I will do that.
 * POV language removed.
 * I disagree Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 21:27, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Reference 1, is a Government Gazette, first compiled in the early 20th century, rewritten in 1960 and uploaded contemporarily, and the article clearly mentions that what has been referred to is a historical description and may not be partially or entirely valid today.
 * The preface says this is the original 1909 version, see here. There was a reprint in 1973, but this is not it. You have copied large chunks of it almost verbatim. Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 21:27, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
 * URL that is a big job, will take time and I need help.
 * I will fix one as an example. Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 21:27, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Major copying - this must be paraphrased in your own words.Here are the first two sections of the Madia Gond Section from the 1909 Gazetteer onlione here:
 * The Madias inhabit the wilder tracts of what once were the zamindaris and in their unsophisticated state are a very attractive people. The villages are usually situated deep in the jungle near some wide shallow stream, which offers facilities for cultivation and the surrounding jungles supplement the fruits of their agricultural efforts.

Here are your first two sentences of the section. I bolded words that are taken unchanged from the orginal:
 * The Marias inhabit the wilder tracts, and are in their unsophisticated state a very attractive people. The villages are usually built deep in the jungle near some wide shallow stream, which offers facilities for the gata cultivation,[nb 1] and the surrounding jungles supplement the fruits of their agricultural efforts.

Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 21:14, 5 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Please see three references I have modified, do you think that they are incorrect, you have used a slightly different tag. Please check the ones I have changed.
 * If you go to WP:FAC (and this is still a long way away from being ready for that) then the references all have to be consistent. If you do it consistently, that is fine. I like cite web and cite book and cite journal and cite news because they make things consistent. It is your call. Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 04:23, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I have changed the POV examples you pointed at, I suppose there are others still there.
 * Part of what I see as POV language is some of the very old material you use almost verbatim - if you write that they are in their unsophisticated state are a very attractive people that will be seen as POV. Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 04:23, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I have quoted the Gazette under history of the Madias, that is how the Madia lived in the years gone, wonder what is wrong in using a old source for that, does it not add to the authenticity.
 * The problem is that it is written in present tense and not identified as being older (seems to me to be from 1909, you may be right that it is older). If you said that "According to the 1909 Gazeteer, the Madia Gond live in the jungles...." that is clear, but the way it is written now, it is unfortuantely not clear. Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 04:23, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the dab finder. Makes life so simple.
 * It is a very nice tool - you are welcome, Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 04:23, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I will have another go at the verbatim text you have marked and then get back to you.

Thanks for your help. As a reminder please check the reference style I have used.
 * I will need to read a few more books on the Madia and then more content can be added, then there can be a major revamp.
 * Have you tried Google books? Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 04:23, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Yogesh Khandke (talk) 02:16, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Although it is written that the Gazette is a reprint, it actually is another edition. That is why there is information about prohibition, which is a post 1947, law, which obviously cannot be there if it was just a reprint. This is the section I am refering to. Madia_Gond Yogesh Khandke (talk) 03:11, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

I think I should be prepared for the long haul. Please give me a few days. Thanks. Yogesh Khandke (talk) 11:34, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
 * One of the nice things about Wikipedia is that there are no deadlines - I will be glad to look at the article again. Just let me know. Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 13:04, 6 March 2009 (UTC)