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Patras
Hey guys, i'm trying to take the Patras Article on the way to world bomis-ation, diamond rings and blings blings ;) oh, and FAC status. I believe it's a good article, what's your opinion? :) I'm trying to get a general feel about the article right now, i'lll probably need a second round once the first is done. Project2501a 10:57, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Some initial suggestions:


 * 1) The port view would look nicer in the infobox, above the map, or below the infobox. Is there an emblem or coat-of-arms for the city?
 * 2) Change Etmology to ==Name==
 * 3) Some more needs to be written on Geography and Demographics.
 * 4) All notes should be moved down to a ==Notes== section.
 * 5) Trim the external links in line with External links, bring the See also section before them.
 * 6) A subdivision map would be nice.
 * 7) Remove the dead images
 * 8) Consider de-list-ifying the Economy section.
 * 9) Fill out the lead a bit per WP:LEAD.

- FrancisTyers · 11:29, 23 June 2006 (UTC)


 * will do as soon as i'm out of my SQL class :) thanks! :D Project2501a 12:00, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your interest in the article. I had contributed something but I had run out of ideas on how to improve it. I agree with all your suggestions. I already changed etymology to ==Name==. There is an emblem of the city, I have uploaded it but for some reason I can't make it appear in the infobox. And we have no idea how to fit all emblem, map and port view photos, this has been a problem for sometime now. As for the notes I will ask conudrum if he could do it. --Donnerstag 13:30, 23 June 2006 (UTC)


 * The following suggestions were generated by a semi-automatic javascript program, and may or may not be accurate for the article in question (due to possible javascript errors/uniqueness of articles).


 * Please expand the lead to conform with guidelines at WP:LEAD. The article should have an appropriate number of paragraphs as is shown on WP:LEAD, and should adequately summarize the article.


 * Per WP:CONTEXT and WP:MOSDATE, months and days of the week generally should not be linked. Years, decades, and centuries can be linked if they provide context for the article.


 * Per WP:MOSNUM, there should be a non-breaking space -  between a number and the unit of measurement. For example, instead of 18mm, use 18 mm, which when you are editing the page, should look like: 18&amp;nbsp;mm.


 * Per WP:MOSNUM, please spell out source units of measurements in text; for example, "the Moon is 380,000 kilometres (240,000 mi) from Earth.


 * As per WP:MOSDATE, dates shouldn't use th; for example, instead of using January 30th was a great day, use January 30 was a great day.


 * Per WP:MOS, headings generally should not repeat the title of the article. For example, if the article was Ferdinand Magellan, instead of using the heading  ==Magellan's journey== , use  ==Journey== .


 * Please reorder/rename the last few sections to follow guidelines at WP:GTL.


 * Please alphabetize the categories and/or interlanguage links.


 * There are a few occurrences of weasel words in this article- please observe WP:AWT. Certain phrases should specify exactly who supports, considers, believes, etc., such a view.


 * Please ensure that the article has gone through a thorough copyediting so that the it exemplifies some of Wikipedia's best work. See also User:Tony1/How to satisfy Criterion 2a.
 * You may wish to browse through User:AndyZ/Suggestions (and the javascript checklist; see the last paragraph in the lead) for further ideas.
 * Thanks, Andy t 14:27, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Lot lot lot of work for FAT status or even GA. A few suggestions:
 * Serious prose problems. The use of "and ... and ... and" indicates a lack of variety in terms of expression. A native English speaker must get in and copy-edit.
 * The whole article and especially the section "history" desperately needs citations.
 * The photo captions are poor and inadequate for FAT status. For instance the caption "Cultural capital". What does this mean? How does this caption help me to understand the photo (it doesn't!)?
 * Notes and references must be reorganized. The section "Notes" under modern Patras must go to the end and merge with all the notes of the article. You must also decide if you want two sections (Notes and References) or one with references. The present image of the article (notes in the middle, references at the end and sources) is confusing.
 * External links are usually after references and notes.
 * Linking to External links is awful and inconsistent, but this is something already mentioned.
 * Is it possible that the "See also" section gets a bit richer? Something more about Peloponnese, Greece, etc?
 * The economy section is too poor. Elaborate on that. Patras is one of the biggest harbors of Europe. Find more information about economy and business in Patras.
 * Almost nothing mentioned concerning the transports. And what about the port?
 * The section concerning the European Capital of Culture 2006 is too poor, since it contains information just from one source (The Selection Panel for 2006). More citations, sources and photos needed.
 * Something about all the great Greek politicians coming from Patras (Stefanopoulos, Gounaris) or being connected with Patras (Papandreou)?
 * The Press section is also poor. A FA article's section cannot consist of two lines. Something more about the history of Patras' press.
 * In general, the article is promising and I would be happy to see an article for a Greek city FAT. But it must first abide with basic WP rules, in order to get GA and eventually FAT.--Yannismarou 14:22, 24 June 2006 (UTC)


 * It can be improved by reducing links to solitary years. A monobook tool allows this to be done with one click on a 'dates' tab in edit mode. You can then accept or reject the changes offered and/or do more editing before pressing 'Save'. Simply copy the entire contents of User:Bobblewik/monobook.js to your own monobook. Then follow the instructions in your monobook to clear the cache (i.e. press Ctrl-Shift-R in Firefox, or Ctrl-F5 in IE) before it will work. Hope that helps. bobblewik 22:27, 27 June 2006 (UTC)