Wikipedia:Peer review/Police duty belt/archive1

Police duty belt
Would like to see whether any improvements can be made and whether it would pass GA status, and any other comments/questions are very welcome! Dep. Garcia ( Talk   + |  Help Desk  |  Complaints  ) 08:49, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

SGGH

 * My first main thought is that it doesn't cover beyond the US and Europe, and it would be good to get some other perspectives from non-western police forces if possible.
 * You may want to expand the lead slightly to include a summary of more than just the equipment it holds.
 * The "colour" section (which should be color according to MoS) could use a cite
 * The huge coverage of every kind of equipment holder is excellent! Though a couple more cites would be good.
 * "Country-specific equipment" ought to be expanded beyond the US and the UK, as I mentioned above.
 * I think the link to Bianchi International could be placed in the history or somewhere in the prose rather than a see also, which I generally find to be pretty redundant in this article, but that's just me :)
 * Good reference summary
 * Great images, the handcuff key one should be a little bigger, possibly add one about the fasteners?
 * " Truncheons themselves had been introduced as early as 1764[6], however it was not until 1994 that police forces started to introduce the duty belt to contain such equipment,[7] as a alternative to having their staff carry equipment in their handbags or pockets, or in the case of the earliest officers, carrying a cutlass or firearm clipped to the belt of the frock coat." this sentence is huge (admittedly I did write some of it) so it does need cutting down a little.

Good article though, great work Dep. You suprised me with how much you found to talk about :) SGGH speak! 11:12, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the review, I'll work on some of these issues which you have stated above! Dep. Garcia ( Talk   + |  Help Desk  |  Complaints  ) 14:13, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Changed "Colour" to "Color" per MoS. Moved link to Bianchi to prose. Made image of handcuff key bigger, and added picture of "three way buckle". Working on the other points! Dep. Garcia ( Talk   + |  Help Desk  |  Complaints  ) 14:55, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Most redirects I've ever seen! :O SGGH speak! 19:22, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Aude
Impressive work on the article, so far, in such a short amount of time. That's all I can think of at the moment. These are just suggestions and possible ideas for improving the article, but not obliged to cover all these points. --Aude (talk) 15:48, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Suggest the "A popular product in this range is this." and "A good demo of this can be seen here." be removed or converted into proper cites.
 * Overall, the article needs more references.
 * Other equipment sometimes includes speedloader
 * Other manufacturers beside Bianchi International include Gould & Goodrich and Michaels of Oregon ("Uncle Mike's") - 1998 Canadian Police Research Centre report
 * Holsters made by Uncle Mike's and Safariland
 * Here are some articles that may be good references
 * 1995 Canadian Police Research Centre (CPRC) report highlights health and safety concerns due to the size, weight, and overcrowding of duty belts, especially for officers of smaller stature. Health problems include back strain.
 * Leather vs. nylon duty belts - nylon belts are much more comfortable, easier to adjust, and did not slip on the waist, easier to maintain (washable, maintains color, and "virtually no care" needed).
 * Leather vs. nylon - I can't find it online, but there is an article, "Consistent Evolution in Belt Gear" in Law and Order Volume:47  Issue:1  Dated:February 2000.  I might be able to get a copy of it.
 * How about types of duty belts used by corrections officers and other types of officers? this talks some about equipment
 * Differences in equipment for mounted police, bike patrol, etc.

More comments - I notice the article already references the 1995 CPRC report. The Wikipedia article says "supposedly rigid nylon belts and so many forces are now switching to leather belts as they are considered by some as more flexible." with reference to the CPRC report. I looked at the CPRC report again, but it talks about 83% of the officers preferring the Nylon belts, that they offered more comfort, etc. On page 17, they recommend that the Ontario Provincial Police purchase nylon belts, and not leather belts. So, I'm perplexed why the police duty belt seems to say the opposite of what the reference says. --Aude (talk) 15:57, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the review, i will work on some of the issues you have raised! Dep. Garcia ( Talk   + |  Help Desk  |  Complaints  ) 16:01, 23 June 2007 (UTC)