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Pronunciation of GIF


I'm honestly surprised that I got the jump on writing this one—now that it's at a GA, I'm wondering what my next steps should be in getting this to an FA. This might need more expansion, or restructuring; help would be appreciated! theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 11:05, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
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Comments from Kavyansh
Fantastic work! Just few suggestion: That is it for now. I hope the comments were useful ... – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 10:27, 14 February 2022 (UTC) Some remaining tiny points like missing page numbers for Ref#27 and Ref#29, and using fixed image size for the lead image (it should not be fixed size, better use the  parameter). Rest, all good as long as I am concerned. – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 10:42, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
 * This might be a silly comment, but reading the article, I feel it is more sort-of "Debate on pronunciation of GIF" than "Pronunciation of GIF". I don't know what is the criteria to create an independent page on pronunciation of a word. While I don't have any concerns, few at FAC might ask why can't the content of this page be merged in the main GIF article.
 * Hmm. Well, as far as articles on the pronunciation of a word go, this is sui generis either way. There is some precedent in the articles on the English pronunciations of ⟨th⟩, ⟨wh⟩, ⟨a⟩, and /r/. To be honest, I think it's kind of implicit that we wouldn't have an article on any of these if there weren't a dispute, or at least a change over time. It'd be pretty weird if we had an article that just read "It's pronounced arr-tih-cull". So—I'm not totally opposed to the idea, but I'd want some more consensus on that first. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 20:00, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I told you it is a silly comment :) – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 17:56, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
 * GIF should be linked in the lead.
 * "The two competing pronunciations are" — are they really 'competing'?
 * Yeah, changed to "most common". theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 20:00, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
 * 'Jif', 'Obama', and 'Tumblr' is overlinked.
 * "According to the ABC" — I very strongly expected it to be ABC News than Australian Broadcasting Corporation. Perhaps, in this case, we should spell ABC.
 * "with Wilhite claiming that "most people" seem to" — Do we need to quote 'most people'?
 * Mmm, it feels a little WP:WEASELly to put it in Wikivoice, but it could go either way. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 20:00, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
 * "An analysis of 40,000 words and their frequencies" — exactly 40,000; or around/approximately 40,000?
 * It's unclear; it looks like only 269 words ended up being relevant, but McCullough just says 40,000, and the primary source says 80,000 "orthographic forms". For now, I'll go with 269. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 20:00, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Is Michael Dow notable enough for a red-link?
 * " only 37 employed its opponent" — 'opponent'? Do they really have that level of rivalry?
 * For the purposes of the article, I'll say "counterpart" to stay on the safe side; off the record, though, I'd say yes; this is one of those ridiculous internet questions like "how many holes does a straw have" or "is a hot dog a sandwich" that demonstrates the marvelous and unmatched ability of humans to create tribes and totems over thoroughly unimportant topics. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 20:00, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I just searched "how many holes does a straw have". I'd be honest, the answer didn't quite match my expectation. So yeah, humans do have that "marvelous and unmatched ability" – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 17:56, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
 * "After Steve Wilhite, the creator of the GIF" — this has been mentioned before. We can directly mention his surname without saying that he is the creator of GIF.
 * "of the issue; An article by Casey Chan" — can we break into two sentences?
 * How did "van der Meulen" become "Van der Meulen's" (with capitalized 'V')?
 * "including Casey Chan" — can directly mention his surname
 * 'U.S. president' v. 'United States slightly' — consistency needed
 * Really? "United States president" is awkward, but I think it's fine to use "U.S. president" and then spell out the name when talking about the country directly.
 * How about "American president"? Doesn't matter much. – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 17:56, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
 * "In June 2014, Barack Obama, then President of the United States," — (1) mentioned before (2) per MOS:JOBTITLE, 'President' should be 'president'
 * "The Los Angeles Times" should be just "Los Angeles Times"
 * In the citation? are you sure? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 20:00, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
 * In the citation?—yes; are you sure?—now that is a difficult question ... The newspaper names itself just "Los Angeles Times", so we should not be adding an italicized 'The'. – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 17:56, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
 * "The New Oxford American Dictionary (3rd ed.). 2012" needs publisher
 * ISBN should be hyphenated, using this tool.
 * Neat, thanks! theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 20:00, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Another thing: The article does not provide a world-wide perspective. Now that should not be an issue if the debate was largely based in America, but, in any case, do we have any stance of a foreign party?
 * Hmm. Given the Stack Overflow poll, I'm going to say that this debate does stretch beyond the U.S., but I wouldn't know where to start re: finding foreign-language sourcing.
 * Hmm. What I've come up with is that most other countries do have this dispute. However, i can't find any notable incidents in other countries, probably because the file format originates in the U.S. (and probably because the vast majority of Tumblr users are English-speaking, usually American). And most other languages, if they need to, just copy the word/disputed pronunciation without much variation (with the exception of France, where- oh, it's easier to just upload a recording). So, I'm going to add some more data about other countries, but I think it's pretty fair to say that this is primarily an issue in the English-speaking world, particularly the United States. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 23:35, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Even when foreign-language sources do cover this (and it's sparse), only the French had information I wouldn't've found otherwise. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 00:48, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Fine then, thats mostly it for the prose. Try to keep adding anything useful you get from foreign sources. – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 20:41, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
 * all righty, added—I think I'm about ready to wrap up, anything else? I hope I didn't make a mess... theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 07:29, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
 * And also, I think the article on "Pronunciation of GIF" will largely benefit from audio recordings of all three different pronunciations: gif, jif, and G-I-F.
 * I was considering making two full WP:SPEAK-style recordings of the article, but I have neither the time nor the requisite level of hyperfixation. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 20:00, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
 * The 2 recording added are exactly what I was expecting. Thanks! – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 17:56, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Perfect, thank you so much! By the way, i'm sorry I didn't get back to your reply on your talk page; four days into finals week, it felt a little weird to go back and respond. In any case, I definitely thought Darwin Awards when you said you were working on Darwin Medal ;) the second is a little more on-brand for you. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 20:00, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Expecting this at FAC soon (or in later Wiki Cup rounds, as you wish). Darwin Medal saved! Kennedy still waiting ... – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 17:56, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
 * ah, yes, strategic deployment of FAs; I most definitely have the patience for that. Nice job on the Darwin Medal! theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 23:37, 17 February 2022 (UTC)