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Ryugyong Hotel
This peer review discussion has been closed. I've listed this article for peer review because I've made substantial changes to it, and I'd like to see if there's anything else that can be done before possibly submitting it for a GA review. There isn't a great deal of information available about the subject (due to the very closed nature of North Korea) so most of the improvements I believe could be made to the article would center around its structure and prose; most of what's known about this hotel and available online is already in the article.

Thanks, AniRaptor2001 (talk) 10:25, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

A great subject with very few sources (you alredy know it...). And quite contentious after all these changes on the site (alleged? real? do we really know anything?). You did the right thing attributing available sources and opinions right in the text, but it leaves many questions unanswered.


 * It needs thorough proofreading and editing for flow and logic (non-native speakers like yours truly can pinpoint the weak links but are no good in fixing them). Consider the phrase "Under the leadership of Kim Jong-il,[8] construction on a pyramid-shaped hotel began in 1987". Sounds like a quote from NK propaganda. If it is simply a nod to Kim's place in NK govt, it is redundant. If he did, in fact, have a non-trivial role in actually driving the project - then I'd prefer to see a source more credible than an Idiot's Guide.... Information on personalities behind any project is always non-trivial and needs RS better than a Guide or a casual mention in a newspaper.


 * Absolutely. Though just about everything that goes on in North Korea is attributed to KJL, I think in this case the source meant to indicate that he "ordered its construction". -AniRaptor2001 (talk)


 * Right now I'd recommend citing every cite-able bit of text, even if it means overciting (excessive cites can be removed at a later stage). For example, the last words of the lead: "when it is completed in 2012 [6]" (oh really?) need a proper source on 2012 (right now it's a link to a wikipedia list) and, perhaps, a hint on the uncertainty of such forecasts (the LATimes source on 2012 quoted in Construction resumes is quite uncertain, isn't it?). Check every sentence that does not cite a source.


 * Removed all speculation regarding the building's eventual ranking, noted (as pointed out in the BBC article) that internal construction will last until 2012 "or beyond". AniRaptor2001 (talk)


 * Check anything that may prompt readers' questions ("A government official told the Los Angeles Times" - NK govt or US govt or ...? I cannot access LATimes site, the question remains). Either resolve such questions in the text or remove their roots altogether. NVO (talk) 09:13, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Fixed all such problems.AniRaptor2001 (talk)


 * Thanks for your help! AniRaptor2001 (talk) 19:23, 10 February 2010 (UTC)