Wikipedia:Peer review/Selena albums discography/archive1

===Selena albums discography=== This peer review discussion has been closed. I've listed this article for peer review because I would like to take it to FLC in the near future

Thanks, Jona yo!  Selena 4 ever  01:09, 20 December 2011 (UTC) :Note: Because of its length, this peer review is not transcluded. It is still open and located at Peer review/Selena albums discography/archive1. Comments from Michael Jester

Great job. Now all we have to work on is verification and references. I will start with the former tomorrow. —Michael Jester (talk &#183; contribs) 04:24, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay! Thanks for all the help you have done, I really appreciated buddy. Best, Jona yo!  Selena 4 ever  05:07, 20 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Verifications:

Ok, so I'm gonna start with the tables first. Once we get all the verified refs, then we will work on formatting them correctly. I don't want us to do a bunch of work, only to have to change it five minutes later. Anyway, leggo. —Michael Jester (talk &#183; contribs) 17:45, 20 January 2012 (UTC) —Michael Jester (talk &#183; contribs) 17:45, 20 January 2012 (UTC) —Michael Jester (talk &#183; contribs) 17:45, 20 January 2012 (UTC) —Michael Jester (talk &#183; contribs) 01:00, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Ref 41
 * Currently links to the Billboard 200. Change the URL.
 * Changed. Jona yo!  Selena 4 ever  16:18, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
 * No, it's not.
 * Top Latin Album peak position for Momentos is 11, according to source, not 7 like you have in the current table.
 * Check again. Jona yo!  Selena 4 ever  16:18, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I did, and it's still 11 for Top Latin Albums.
 * Ref 42
 * Dreaming of You is not number 1 on Regional Mexican Albums, according to source.
 * Removed. Jona yo!  Selena 4 ever  16:18, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Ones is not number 4, according to source.
 * Removed. Jona yo!  Selena 4 ever  16:18, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Momentos is not number 11, according to source.
 * Huh? Its #7 Jona yo!  Selena 4 ever  16:18, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Momentos did not peak at number 11 on Regional Mexican Albums.
 * Ref 49
 * According to Billboard it did. It peaked at #11 on the Top Latin Albums and #7 on the Regional Mexican Chart. Jona yo!  Selena 4 ever  19:18, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I know, but you have it backwards. The table shows the album peaking at number 11 on Regional Mexican and 7 on Latin Albums.
 * Everything's good, verification-wise, but I suggest you change the URL to this instead.
 * Changed. Jona yo!  Selena 4 ever  16:18, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

That's all the problems for the tables. Once you get this done, we will work on the first paragraph. —Michael Jester (talk &#183; contribs) 11:23, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

—Michael Jester (talk &#183; contribs) 18:33, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Actually I think it is a blatant content fork of Selena_discography. There is no reason to merge singles and albums into the main discography page. Selena only recorded a handful of songs/albums, nearly nothing compared with artists such as Johny Cash, Grateful Death or Duke Ellington. The lead is even bigger than the actual tables. ♫GoP♫ T C N 18:03, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
 * She has over 30 albums and over 40 singles, most of which has charted. In my opinion, that qualifies the articles to be split.
 * Agree with Michael here. If those artists don't have their own albums and singles disco then why not create them yourselves? Best, Jona yo!  Selena 4 ever  19:12, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. Still good work on all those Selena articles (an artist I never knew until I saw your work)! Maybe worth listening :) ♫GoP♫ T C N  20:21, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks :-) If you want click here its a short 2 min docu from VH1 about her. Best, Jona yo!  Selena 4 ever  20:53, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

Alright, we gotta get this done this weekend. I got RL stuff coming up next week.
 * First paragraph
 * Looks good verification-wise
 * Minor fixes to references
 * Ref 1
 * Remove original URL since its dead
 * I did that but it now shows as a "cite error". Jona yo!  Selena 4 ever  01:46, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
 * No need for an accessdate parameter for archived material
 * Removed. Jona yo!  Selena 4 ever  01:46, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Ref 2
 * Once again, since this a book, put the complete book down in the References section, and just have "Candelaria (2004), p.753" as the footnote
 * ✅ Jona yo!  Selena 4 ever  01:46, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Ref 3
 * Same comment as ref 2
 * ✅ Jona yo!  Selena 4 ever  01:46, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Ref 4
 * Same comment as ref 2 and 3
 * ✅ Jona yo!  Selena 4 ever  01:46, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Ref 5
 * If possible, provide the quote that verifies it. It will help out a lot. To do so, you just add "| quote=" and add the quote.
 * It's an episode, how would I even do that? Jona yo!  Selena 4 ever  01:46, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Ref 7
 * I'd provide a translated quote. Because I can't read Spanish lol. If not it's all good.
 * This ref is not a subscription needed article. I would still need to provide one? Jona yo!  Selena 4 ever  01:46, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

So I just went through the refs, and everything looks good on the verification. I fixed the first ref, too. These are my final comments, and I apologize the ending of the review went so slowly:
 * Move ALL books to the references sections
 * All books should have either ISBN or OCLC number
 * Books in the references section should be in alphabetical order by last name.
 * shorthanded footnotes should be "Last (Year), p. #" or "Last (year), pp. #–#"

I believe this has a good change to pass FLC once these are fixed. I won't be able to review it on FLC because I've done a major contribution, but I will look over it to try and help you out. Wish you the best of luck with the article. —Michael Jester (talk &#183; contribs) 16:10, 22 January 2012 (UTC) —Michael Jester (talk &#183; contribs) 23:52, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the review! Well since you have contributed to the article, would you mind if I added you as a co-nominator for this article at FLC? You don't have to if you don't want to. I have fixed everything now, Jona yo!  Selena 4 ever  18:57, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I'll pass on the co-nomination. I'll let you take all the credit :p. I will though look over the nomination and help out if I have time.
 * Okay, I'm about to make the changes that WP Penguin has noted below and then I'll nominate it at FLC. Best, Jona yo!  Selena 4 ever  00:11, 23 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Is there any way the lead can be trimmed? It's huge! You don't have to repeat everything in the tables also in the lead. Keep it brief. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  20:12, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
 * What do you mean by "repeat everything"? Jona yo!  Selena 4 ever  20:57, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay, nevermind that, but some information in the lead is just unnecessary. Some examples:
 * A year later, Selena re-recorded several songs which were recorded during the 1980s on her first compilation album 16 super exitos originales.
 * Removed, Jona yo!  Selena 4 ever  00:20, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Ven conmigo peaked at number three on the Latin Regional Mexican Albums chart.
 * Why would this need to be remove from the lead? Jona yo!  Selena 4 ever  00:20, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
 * A small detail. It's in the table anyway. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  20:59, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
 * ✅ Jona yo!  Selena 4 ever  22:39, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Selena's father and manager Abraham Quintanilla, Jr. did not like Pérez and believed he was the antithesis of his "clean image" kids. He ordered Selena to never see Pérez and fired him from the band.[6] He told Selena that is she followed him he will disband the group. Reluctant, Selena and Pérez eloped, and her father felt ashamed of his behavior and accepted the relationship.[7]
 * Removed, Jona yo!  Selena 4 ever  00:20, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Multple music critics believed Amor prohibido "opened the doors" to other Latin artsits such as Jennifer Lopez,[19] Christina Aguilera,[19] Enrique Iglesias[20] and Ricky Martin.[20]
 * Removed, Jona yo!  Selena 4 ever  00:20, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
 * The album helped Selena to be accepted in Mexico, where Mexican Americans were not accepted among the citizens because they were American people of Mexican descent.[8] Entre a mi mundo sold 385,000 copies in the United States its first year,[9] which became the first recording by a female Tejano vocalist to sell that many.[10]
 * I think that the sales of the album should remain, though I removed the whole acceptance in Mexico. Jona yo!  Selena 4 ever  00:20, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
 * On February 7, 1993, Selena held a free live concert at the Memorial Coliseum, which attracted 3,000 fans
 * EMI Latin believed the moment was right to release a crossover album, guaranteeing an entrance for Selena to the pop music world.[23][24] While recording sessions began in late 1994, Selena was beginning to end relations with her business associate and manager of Selena Etc., Yolanda Saldívar
 * Removed, Jona yo!  Selena 4 ever  00:20, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Dreaming of You sold 175,000 copies its first day of release, a record for a pop singer.[27] The album sold more than 331,000 copies its first week, which helped Selena to become the second-fastest selling female singer, behind Janet Jackson.[28]
 * Why would this need to be removed? Jona yo!  Selena 4 ever  00:20, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Another small detail. I can't see the importance of first week sales. This is all in the album articles, not necessary. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  20:59, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
 * ✅ Jona yo!  Selena 4 ever  22:39, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Selena is one of the most widely known Mexican-American vocal artists[34][35] and most popular Latin artist in the United States,[35] being named the "Best-Selling Latin Artist of the Decade" and "Top Latin Artist of the 90s" by Billboard
 * Also this one? Jona yo!  Selena 4 ever  00:20, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
 * This is a discography, not a biography. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  20:59, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
 * ✅ Jona yo!  Selena 4 ever  22:39, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
 * You've done a great job, but remember this is a discography, not a biography. In fact, I actually found this article to be longer than her bio on Wikipedia.— WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  21:28, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I know that but I've tried unsuccessfully to expand that article though others voiced that additions should not be made. Not my fault lolz. So I don't even contribute to that article anymore. I'll get to these right away, Jona yo!  Selena 4 ever  22:03, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

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