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St Edern's Church, Bodedern
This peer review discussion has been closed. I've listed this article for peer review because it's just been assessed as GA and I'd like to see what people think it would need to get it to FA standards. It's one of a series of articles on Anglesey churches that I'm writing, and hopefully I can apply any suggestions raised here to others in the group.

One particular point on which I'd welcome views is this: a couple of editors have suggested removing mention of valuables such as silverware in such articles, as thieves might be tempted to target churches (which are often unoccupied and / or in isolated locations). Although such information may be available elsewhere, Wikipedia is a high-profile site. On the other hand, churches are potential targets whether or not they have an article on Wikipedia and it can be expected that churches already take appropriate precautions to deter forced entry and to safeguard valuables within the church. Where would you draw the line between comprehensiveness and avoiding exposing churches to risk?

Thanks, BencherliteTalk 15:20, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Comments from
 * You said you wanted to know what to work on before taking to FAC, so I looked at the article with that in mind. I reviewed the as I would at FAC.
 * Lead:
 * "15th century" or "6th-century"? Be consistent throughout the article.
 * Do we REALLY need to link "stained glass"??
 * "one of nine in a combined parish"? A bit more context for this might be helpful. Also "Church in Wales" is not a very helpful link - are we talking a specific denomination here? If so, we should mention it rather than easter egg linking it.
 * History: Shouldn't "Mabinogion" be italicised?
 * Do we know who founded the church? Was it in the patronage of anyone before St Cybi's?
 * Is the 19th century restoration the first?
 * Construction: "...using local stone dressed with sandstone." Huh? Dressed with makes no sense to me here, I'm probably missing some jargon. Also, why is sandstone linked?
 * I know you've linked some of these technical terms, but it might be nice to give a quickie explanation of what these are so folks don't have to leave the page to get an idea of what they mean.
 * Suggest linking and explaining "external buttress"
 * "...and the other has been reused here." Unclear what is meant by this.
 * Windows: "He is depicted as Simeon." Need a bit more context here.
 * "The east and south chancel stained glass is in memory of the wife, son and daughter of Hugh Wynne Jones, who died in 1867, 1856 and 1851 respectively." the dates are a bit too much detail here, suggest "died in the mid 19th century" or possibly leave the dates out entirely. When was this window installed though?
 * Panelwork: Link for communion rail?
 * Are the communion table and chairs and other memorials now missing? It's implied, but not stated.
 * Hope this helps. Please note that I don't watchlist Peer Reviews I've done. If you have a question about something, you'll have to drop a note on my talk page to get my attention. (My watchlist is already WAY too long, adding peer reviews would make things much worse.) 15:28, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the very helpful and thorough review. My replies:
 * "15th century" or "6th-century": I think I've got it right throughout, i.e. I say "in the 15th century, this happened" (no hyphen) but "this 15th-century window" (adjective, hyphen)
 * stained glass link removed (someone else added the link, I have no strong feelings
 * "one of nine in a combined parish" - I'm not sure what additional context or explanation you might like here. I've reworded and shuffled the sentences around to bring the bit about no priest for the churches closer to the bit about the nine churches - does this help?
 * The Church in Wales within Wales is the equivalent of the Church of England within England; it's not an Easter egg link, it's what the denomination is called. I've added "(the Anglican church within Wales)" - does that help make it clearer?
 * Mabinogion now in italics
 * History - the sources don't give any more detail than I've already used about the early history / foundation, alas. As for whether anywhere other than St Cybi's used to have the patronage, I doubt it (it's the largest church in the area, and on my to-do list) but the sources don't say.
 * The 19th-century restoration is the first one mentioned in the sources.
 * Reworded the "dressed" phrase
 * Are there any words in particular you think ought to be glossed? Glossing every word can disrupt the flow of the text, so sometimes I've worked on the basis that the reader is likely to know or understand the word
 * Buttress linked
 * "reused" removed - I think I know what the source is trying to say, but I won't insert my guesswork
 * Simeon explained; no date given for the window in the sources
 * Communion rail linked
 * I suspect the other stuff is still there, but the Cadw listing (which is about the building itself) didn't worry as much about the contents as the Royal Commission survey, which was a more general survey. It's quite hard to get rid of things once they've been added to a church!

Thanks, will ask you to revisit in a while, I think. BencherliteTalk 06:23, 27 October 2011 (UTC)