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Steve Lukather
This peer review discussion has been closed. I've listed this article for peer review because I'm looking to bring it to FA status. It's as comprehensive as I can make it—I've exhausted every secondary source I can find, and made limited use of the subject's official web site.
 * Previous peer review

Thanks, Laser brain   (talk)  05:22, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Brianboulton comments: Sorry for the delay; Here are my comments on the first half of the article; I will deliver the rest as sooon as I can:-
 * Lead
 * First paragraph: I wonder about the need to cite this one fact, in this place. Nothing else is cited in the lead.
 * As the lead is supposed to be a brief summary, I don't see the need for naming the six albums
 * Second paragraph: the wording at the beginning looks a bit heavy-footed. I suggest a slight trimming:-
 * "In 1976, when Lukathar was nineteen years old, he was invited by his high school friends David Paich and the Porcaro brothers Steve and Jeff to join them in forming their band, Toto. He remained a member until the band split up in 2008, and has been involved in their periodic reunion tours."


 * "...his association with Paich and Porcaro" – which Porcaro? And should it be "who also became established artists" rather than "who were also established artists"?
 * "...and has won five times." Final word unnecessary
 * "jazz great" Larry Carlton is a little informal, not very encyclopedic
 * "melodic and intense": quotations are among the few things in leads that require citation.
 * Early life
 * Is a 2003 photograph of Lukather appropriate in an "Early life" section?
 * Try and avoid construction like "...Wyble. Wyble..."
 * In this section we have "It was during this period..." and "at the time", which are a liitle vague. Could we have the odd extra date or year?
 * Toto
 * Lack of chronological guidance affects this section, too, e.g. "In the early years...", "...during that period" etc
 * I think that, in view of his significance, the death of "Porcaro" (Jeff, presumably) should be given a little more space.
 * The term "panned" is slangy and jars, somewhat. (I know "heavily criticised" sounds stiff, but that's encyclopedias for you)
 * Citation required in third paragraph "Lukather contributed..." etc
 * Session work
 * "He credits fellow Toto members..." The pronoun doesn't work here as the last "he" mentioned is Jude Gold
 * Maybe a little too much listing in the second paragraph - two or three examples is probably adequate.

More to follow: Brianboulton (talk) 23:49, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I sure appreciate it. Please let me know if there is anything at all I can do to repay the favor. I wrenched on the PR backlog a bit. -- Laser brain  (talk)  04:42, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

Here's the rest:
 * Solo albums
 * "Luke is a much different and more introspective album than Lukather's previous two solo efforts." Specific opinion statements such as this should be attributed, or they read as the editorial voice.
 * "...such as guitarists Edward Van Halen, Slash, and Steve Vai and drummer Gregg Bissonette." An extra "and"?
 * What is a mofo? How important is the "quip" to the article?
 * "...while between Toto tours": delete "while"
 * "such as": I have begun to notice that this expression recurs rather frequently through the article. I've just counted up - 15 times in all, on a couple of occasions twice within a single line. This xtent f repetition should be avoided if possible, so I suggest some rephrasing here and there.
 * "Lukather wrote the songs for the album with his son and a handful of other musicians using basic equipment in a hotel room." Doesn't read well unpunctuated. Personally I'd rearrange a little: "Lukather wrote the songs for the album in a hotel room with his son and a handful of other musicians, using basic equipment."
 * "current Toto drummer Simon Phillips" Does that mean then-current or as of now?
 * "in support of the album" → "to promote the album"?
 * "In 2005, Lukather was noted for his rendition..." Maybe "won praise for" or "won critical praise for", or some such, but "noted for" doesn't sound right.


 * Musical style and equipment
 * Not sure about the big curly quote marks; never use them myself. I thought they wer used in sideboxes etc, not where the quotation is integrated into the text.
 * "intricate effects rack": Again, excuse my ignorance, but what is this? A rack use for intricate effects (whatever they are)? An effects rack that is described as intricate? Either way, I'm baffled.
 * Incidentally, the word "effects" occurs four times in two lines
 * "Lukather is an endorser of..." → "Lukather endorses..."
 * I haven't carried out a sources check, but I do notice "retrieved" and "Retrieved"

I think that is all my comments. I hope they prove useful to you; if you want to raise any questions, give me a buzz on my talkpage as I don't find it possible to watch individual reviews at the moment. Brianboulton (talk) 14:16, 25 March 2012 (UTC)