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The Green Room (film)
This peer review discussion has been closed. I've listed this article for peer review because some work was done on it a while back and most of the primary sources for it are exhausted, so I would like opinions in improving it.

Thanks, Deoliveirafan (talk) 22:29, 11 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Comments
 * Production
 * Background and writing


 * "painful breakup" - Only my opinion here, but "painful breakup" seems redundant to me. Few breakups aren't painful.
 * "The Altar of the Dead" is a short story, and thus should be in quotes, not italics, as per MOS:QUOTEMARK.
 * "and even visited"
 * Comma after "projects until 1974"
 * "Over the years" Is there a more specific time period you can use?
 * You can probably delete "Truffaut and Gruault continued to work on the script and"
 * "By the spring on 975" - "By the spring of 1975"
 * The sentence beginning with "Truffaut thought the" is trying to summarize too much. You can combine some of these thoughts into one sentence, but not all of them:
 * Truffaut thought the script was too long.
 * He asked Gruault to cut it down.
 * Gruault did.
 * But Gruault didn't like working with Truffaut.
 * And Gruault was busy working on another script.
 * Comma after "However"
 * "reread" - "rereading"
 * Comma after "In October 1976"
 * Casting
 * Gruault did.
 * But Gruault didn't like working with Truffaut.
 * And Gruault was busy working on another script.
 * Comma after "However"
 * "reread" - "rereading"
 * Comma after "In October 1976"
 * Casting
 * Comma after "In October 1976"
 * Casting
 * Casting
 * Casting


 * " inensly personal"
 * Comma after "According to co-star Natalie Baye"
 * "personale" - Personnel
 * See below for a note on the final paragraph of this section.
 * "personale" - Personnel
 * See below for a note on the final paragraph of this section.
 * See below for a note on the final paragraph of this section.


 * Filming


 * Comma after "That summer"
 * "despite the films" - "despite the film's"
 * Chronologically, the section goes back and forth a bit. Rather than start with the sentence about filming (since you have more specific information about that in the second paragraph anyway), move the budget and studio information to after "lasted until November 27, 1977." That way you start with location scouting, then move on to filming.
 * Chronologically, the section goes back and forth a bit. Rather than start with the sentence about filming (since you have more specific information about that in the second paragraph anyway), move the budget and studio information to after "lasted until November 27, 1977." That way you start with location scouting, then move on to filming.
 * Chronologically, the section goes back and forth a bit. Rather than start with the sentence about filming (since you have more specific information about that in the second paragraph anyway), move the budget and studio information to after "lasted until November 27, 1977." That way you start with location scouting, then move on to filming.


 * Music


 * "Truffaut choose" - "Truffaut chose"
 * The reference for the on-set music seems oddly placed. Seems like it should go at the end of the sentence.
 * The reference for the on-set music seems oddly placed. Seems like it should go at the end of the sentence.


 * Reception


 * The choice of quotes here is fine, but you'll want to break up the monotony of the sentence structure here. "X told Truffaut that..." will work once or twice, but not over and over again.
 * "The Green Room was both Truffaut's worst financial failure and one of his most critically praised films, with some calling it his best work and the only major French film critic who disliked the film was François Chalais of Le Figaro" - awkward syntax. You can break these into different sentences. Since this second paragraph is about critical reception and the third paragraph is about financial success, I don't see any reason to talk about the latter subject here anyway.
 * "truffaldian" should probably be capitalized.
 * It's awkward, but I definitely remember that that's exactly how it was quoted.
 * I don't know why "l'homme qui aimant les flammes" isn't translated.
 * Same reason.
 * Comma after "A few days before the films premiere"
 * "tract record" - "track record"
 * "tract record" - "track record"


 * General


 * Cast lists are okay, according to WP:CASTLIST, but since you have a section on casting in the prose already (which is good), I don't know if you really need the bullet point list earlier.
 * According to WP:FILMPLOT, articles on films contain a short (400–700 word) plot summary. What immediately came to mind here was how this article doesn't have one. They're not particularly fun to write, but you'll need one for sure.
 * It's completely optional, but you may want to think about a "Themes" section in here, since that's clearly an important aspect of the article. Notably, the paragraph in "Casting" beginning with "Truffaut later told a reporter" needs to be with the rest of the information about themes. It's not about the casting, really, and seems out of place in its current location.
 * Remember that short stories are always in quotes, not italics, as per WP:ITALIC
 * It looks like your keyboard might have been a little wonky at some point. Happens to the best of us.
 * "the cript wa"
 * "which wa vry reasuring"
 * "filld out the cat"
 * Your reflist could easily be at least two or three columns. You can do this by changing to
 * There's no rule restricting the use of quotes, per se, but you have quite a few here. In terms of percent of the content, quotes probably comprise a much larger percentage of this article than is necessary. That doesn't necessarily mean you need to get rid of quotes, but keep looking for sources and information to add. There are only two references here, so I'm sure you can find more to fill in some info here.
 * Your reflist could easily be at least two or three columns. You can do this by changing to
 * There's no rule restricting the use of quotes, per se, but you have quite a few here. In terms of percent of the content, quotes probably comprise a much larger percentage of this article than is necessary. That doesn't necessarily mean you need to get rid of quotes, but keep looking for sources and information to add. There are only two references here, so I'm sure you can find more to fill in some info here.
 * There's no rule restricting the use of quotes, per se, but you have quite a few here. In terms of percent of the content, quotes probably comprise a much larger percentage of this article than is necessary. That doesn't necessarily mean you need to get rid of quotes, but keep looking for sources and information to add. There are only two references here, so I'm sure you can find more to fill in some info here.

Overall, the structure generally keeps with the film MOS, and it's easy to follow (though I'll point out that my background is in film studies so I'm probably not a "typical" reader). The main issues here seem to be typographical and MOS-related. Go through it with a fine-toothed comb, and then I'd suggest submitting it to the Guild of Copy Editors to look through it. Let me know if you have any questions or comments and good luck improving the article. – Runfellow (talk) 22:15, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Will continue working on this, thank you for the review.--Deoliveirafan (talk) 01:18, 24 November 2012 (UTC)