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The Lucy poems

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This peer review discussion has been closed. Feedback needed at this stage. All comments welcome.

Thanks, Ceoil (talk) 02:52, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Ruhrfisch comments
Ruhrfisch comments: Very interesting article - here are some suggestions for improvement, mostly nitpicks.
 * The lead should have an image, generally in the upper right corner
 * Done, after much discussion. Ceoil (talk) 00:36, 22 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I think the lead should either have references like the rest of the article, or it should have none except for direct quotes and extraordinary claims, because it is a summary and the refs will be in the article body. The current lead cites things inconsistently - there are some unreferenced direct quotes that seem to need refs per WP:MOSQUOTE and WP:LEAD, some sentences with refs and some without.
 * Done. Ceoil (talk) 00:52, 22 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Background section - I would give a bit more biographical information about Wordsworth and Coleridge here - perhaps a sentence on each. The average reader will not know much about them and this starts pretty much in media res
 * Done, expanded. Ceoil (talk) 00:36, 22 February 2009 (UTC)


 * The first paragraph in the Background section has no ref - my rule of thumb is that every quote, every statistic, every extraordinary claim and every paragraph needs a ref.
 * This is a direct quote and needs a ref: Wordsworth's aim when composing his contributions to the collection was to arrive at a "selection of the language really spoken by men".
 * Cited. Ceoil (talk) 00:36, 22 February 2009 (UTC)


 * As does They first appeared in a letter from Wordsworth to Coleridge, in which he wrote that "She dwelt..." and "Strange Fits..." were "little Rhyme poems which I hope will amuse you".  see WP:MOSQUOTE again
 * Cited. Ceoil (talk) 00:36, 22 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Why are only these five called the Lucy poems if The character of Lucy further appears in Wordsworth's "Lucy Gray" and his "The Glow-worm".[6]? Should this be expalined in the article better?
 * This is explained better now, I think. Ceoil (talk) 00:36, 22 February 2009 (UTC)


 * The block quote at the end of the Background section is not explained or put into context, but needs to be. Who said this? When? Why?
 * Quote was removed. Ceoil (talk) 00:36, 22 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Why did Wordsworth go to Goslar?
 * Explained now. Ceoil (talk) 00:36, 22 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Who is Dorothy? She is mentioned in the lead and again separation without being put into context (Wordsworth's wife? That nice girl from Kansas?) Also shouldn't references to Wordsworth be consistent (Wordworth or William)? Aha - she was his sister!
 * Explained more clearly now. Ceoil (talk) 00:36, 22 February 2009 (UTC)


 * OK, that's a start for you, so here are some general points now:
 * Two of the captions are quite long and do not seem to meet WP:CAPTION, especially being succinct
 * All the captions were shortned after discussion. Ceoil (talk) 00:36, 22 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Could the full text of the poems be added to Wikisource and linked?
 * Done. Ceoil (talk) 00:53, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Hope this helps. If my comments are useful, please consider peer reviewing an article, especially one at Peer review/backlog (which is how I found this article). Yours, Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 05:07, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I just wanted to state that the poems included under "Lucy" is discussed in "The poems" section. Ottava Rima (talk) 00:38, 7 December 2008 (UTC)