Wikipedia:Peer review/Time in Finland/archive1

Time in Finland


I have listed this article for peer review as I wish to nominate it for FA status. As far as my knowledge goes, no 'Time in X' article has yet to achieve either GA for FA status, so I had trouble with deciding how it should be formatted. Outside of that, I also just want to see if there are any obvious mistakes/errors which I have missed. I do also apologise that this subject is kinda niche!!

Thanks, LunaEatsTuna (talk) 00:59, 23 February 2022 (UTC) I'll be reviewing this article! Incidentally, I have a PR open: Peer review/Torture/archive1 and would appreciate comments. I'm a FAC coordinator, so I can help with general FA requirements, but I know little about time zones and don't speak Finnish.
 * Comments by Buidhe
 * First issue: European Union/EU. You have multiple options for how to handle this, per MOS:ABBR. You can spell out "European Union (EU)" on the first mention and abbreviate EU thereafter, use EU consistently, or spell out European Union each time. I think the last option is best for encyclopedic writing. Currently, the use is inconsistent with some "EU directive" vs. "Council of the European Union".
 * I have converted every mention of the EU into the European Union for consistency. LunaEatsTuna (talk) 22:45, 1 March 2022 (UTC)


 * The first sentence of the article is quite long and difficult to parse. I would consider splitting it in two, and/or putting the Finnish/Swedish terms in a footnote.
 * I have put the languages in footnotes. LunaEatsTuna (talk) 22:45, 1 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Maybe this can't be helped, but "daylight saving time in its current alignment since 1981" confuses me, since it's not stated what the current alignment is.
 * It should look alright now? LunaEatsTuna (talk) 22:45, 1 March 2022 (UTC)


 * "in-line with the European Union directive" which directive? It's especially confusing as the one you cite in the body is from 2000 or 2007, not 1983.
 * I think I have fixed it? LunaEatsTuna (talk) 22:45, 1 March 2022 (UTC)


 * The Time in Europe map is sandwiching with the railway image in the history section. I would consider removing the railway image.
 * Agreed. The image is ultimately not vital to the article and can afford to be lost. LunaEatsTuna (talk) 22:45, 1 March 2022 (UTC)


 * In the lead, it says that the government edict established the time zone in 1921, but this is not mentioned in the body.
 * It says so in the last sentence of history: "On 30 April 1921 at midnight on Walpurgis Night, the official time was advanced 20 minutes and 10.9 seconds to Eastern European Time (UTC+02:00), to become the standard time zone for the country." LunaEatsTuna (talk) 22:45, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, what I meant is that the body does not specify who made this decision. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  00:34, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Fixed and expanded – sorry about that! LunaEatsTuna (talk) 01:43, 2 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Body
 * In terms of the article structure, it's confusing to go straight from a 1929 proposal to change the time zone to the current issues with daylight savings time. It seems to skip lots of important context, such as Finland adopting daylight savings time or joining the EU.
 * The history was merged into 'Daylight saving time' during the GA review, but I have since moved it back and added more content as well as context which I believe addresses other issues you mention below. LunaEatsTuna (talk) 22:45, 1 March 2022 (UTC)


 * "with the adjustment made one hour earlier for the first two years" I'm confused by this.
 * Well, instead of at 03:00 EET on the last Sunday, it was made at 02:00 of the last Sunday. I have now noted this in the article to avoid confusion. LunaEatsTuna (talk) 22:45, 1 March 2022 (UTC)


 * "As Finland is located far north, there is little change in daylight hours" This is also confusing, I think that its northerly location means there is a lot of seasonal change in daylight hours?
 * Fixeded, that was a silly mistake on my part. I have now noted that the long daylight hours and polar night make DST unnoticeable. LunaEatsTuna (talk) 22:45, 1 March 2022 (UTC)


 * "is only observed in order to make travelling and communication between the Nordic states and Russia easier" This is also confusing, as Finland, Russia, and the Nordic countries are all at similar latitudes.
 * I think this is fixed in the new header I created: "In order to avoid the disturbance of changing time differences with the rest of Europe, daylight saving time was introduced again in Finland in 1981 […] following the same schedule as the Nordic countries and Soviet Union so that their time zones could always be aligned." LunaEatsTuna (talk) 22:45, 1 March 2022 (UTC)


 * "At the time, the European Commission was reviewing the practice" a bit vague, are there more details on when the European Commission was considering it?
 * I will have to look more into this, there are several interesting articles on this that I will give a read through. LunaEatsTuna (talk) 22:45, 1 March 2022 (UTC)


 * "Public opinion in Finland remains in favour of ending the practice" How do we know this? Was there another opinion poll?
 * Not that I could find. A citation for Yle only mentions this once but as the name of a heading section with no further context. Does "there has also been vocal public opinion in Finland in favour of ending the practice" seem alright? LunaEatsTuna (talk) 22:45, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
 * I would just cut it since you already mention the 2018 poll. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  00:35, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Done. LunaEatsTuna (talk) 01:43, 2 March 2022 (UTC)


 * "revealed a small majority were in favour of observing permanent winter time" what were the other options on the survey?
 * Fixededsf, according to the source the other option was permanent summer time. LunaEatsTuna (talk) 22:45, 1 March 2022 (UTC)


 * "daylight saving time, which is only observed to make travelling and communication between the Nordic countries and Russia easier" again this is confusing as both Russia and Norway/Sweden have areas north of the Arctic circle.
 * Fixededsfgurj, see above. LunaEatsTuna (talk) 22:45, 1 March 2022 (UTC)


 * I've done some copyediting, hopefully I did not introduce any Americanisms.
 * Not from my knowledge! LunaEatsTuna (talk) 22:45, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

More to come (t &#183; c)  buidhe  06:55, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you for taking the time to peer-review my article and thanks for the copyediting, you are immensely helpful! I have addressed most of your initial concerns above, and now await your further comments. Unfortunately as this is my first attempt to get to FA (as well as my first and thus far only GA at that) I am not sure if I can review torture, but I will nevertheless give it a read-through when I have time and see if I can give any helpful feedback. LunaEatsTuna (talk) 22:45, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
 * I hope my comments here were helpful. Please ping me if this goes to FAC. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  01:47, 2 March 2022 (UTC)