Wikipedia:Peer review/Tranmere Rovers L.F.C./archive1

Tranmere Rovers L.F.C.
This peer review discussion has been closed. I'd like to get this article up to GA standard. However, there aren't many reliable sources relating to the team – or women's football in general – so this may not be possible. I'd appreciate any pointers in the right direction. Cheers! U+003F? 09:46, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

Brianboulton comments:
 * I've taken a quick look at football club articles that have made it to GA. None of these relate to ladies' clubs, so I made a point of concentrating on articles about small, mainly non-league clubs. The main things that struck me were, first, that this article (c. 600 words) is very short by comparison; secondly, the standard structure for football club articles seems to be the following sections: History, Colours and crest (or badge), Stadium, Supporters and rivalries, then the tables dealing with the club's playing record, its players and honours. It seems to me that you should be looking to adopt that structure, and for opportunities to expand the text.
 * I've rearranged the article according to the MoS at WikiProject Football. I've added those sections that I think "fillable" with the info available – Colours, and Honours. U+003F? 09:05, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Edit: Have now filled the colours and honours sections. U+003F? 11:47, 24 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Sources
 * Are there no newspaper sources, national or local, that could be used to inject a little colour into what is presently a rather dry account mainly of results and league positions? I find it hard to accept that the club, even though its success has been modest, gets no attention at all in the local sports columns
 * Using the club's own website as the basis for the history section is a bit iffy. Are you sure that there are no alternative sources? Have you extended your research beyond what is available online?
 * Why is the publisher of refs 7 to 11 given as "The Owl"?
 * That's the title of the parent page. Would a different publisher name be more appropriate? U+003F? 17:34, 21 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Why is http://twitter.com/#!/tranmererovers/status/132119822204010496a reliable source, and how does it confirm the information it cites?
 * The club's official twitter feed responding to a specific question is a pretty reliable source. But I appreciate it's not ideal, so have replaced it with a less up-to-date BBC story. <tt style="color:gray">U+003F</tt><tt style="color:red">?</tt> 16:43, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
 * ❌ Changed my mind here and put the twitter reference back in. It's the only source I can find to say Edwards is manager this season, and I feel the club's official twitter feed responding to a specific question is a pretty reliable source. <tt style="color:gray">U+003F</tt><tt style="color:red">?</tt> 08:58, 24 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Ref 29 lacks publisher information
 * <tt style="color:gray">U+003F</tt><tt style="color:red">?</tt> 12:39, 20 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Other points
 * Under the "Players" heading is a link to what is said to be a list of players, both former and current. The list has 8 names, all of whom are former players, so the link description is wrong. As the list is so short, I imagine it is limited to former players of some distinction. Would it be an  idea (since this article is so short) to bring this information back into the article, in the form of a prose section?
 * Good idea! <tt style="color:gray">U+003F</tt><tt style="color:red">?</tt> 21:40, 24 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Current squad: Why have a "number" column if numbers are not used? What, eaxctly, is the flag symbol indicating? Its position, at first sight, is a little confusing, but I assume it relates to Scheuber?
 * The usual squad template is not appropriate when numbers and nationalities are unknown, so I created a new, simpler, one. <tt style="color:gray">U+003F</tt><tt style="color:red">?</tt> 12:39, 20 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Imprecise information: "During their first years, Tranmere played in a several venues". It must be possible, e.g. from press reports, to find out where at least some of these "several venues" were, and thus make the sentence more informative.

My overall impression is that this article is not ready, yet, for a GA nom. Attention to these points might help to bring it closer. Brianboulton (talk) 00:30, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot for taking the time to review this. I'll work through your points and get back to you. <tt style="color:gray">U+003F</tt><tt style="color:red">?</tt> 10:26, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Whilst the local rags are available online, they contain very little coverage of the team. The exception is the Boro fight and trial that I've now added to the article. I think a lack of sources will stop this getting much bigger or better. <tt style="color:gray">U+003F</tt><tt style="color:red">?</tt> 22:27, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

Added comment: It's a little better, and you may be right when you say that further development could be hampered by lack of sources. A few outstanding points:-
 * Are there really only 10 players in the current squad?
 * No there are 20 in two columns. Is it not clear? <tt style="color:gray">U+003F</tt><tt style="color:red">?</tt> 16:50, 25 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Why is Sue Smith wikilinked twice in the same paragraph?
 * <tt style="color:gray">U+003F</tt><tt style="color:red">?</tt> 16:50, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Removed link. <tt style="color:gray">U+003F</tt><tt style="color:red">?</tt> 16:50, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
 * What's the point in keeping the link to the eight players listed in the category "Tranmere Rovers L.F.C. players"?

Brianboulton (talk) 16:31, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks again for your time. <tt style="color:gray">U+003F</tt><tt style="color:red">?</tt> 16:50, 25 November 2011 (UTC)