Wikipedia:Peer review/Vicca/archive1

Vicca
This article, thanks to User:AnonEMouse, is well sourced and written. I would like to see this article become a featured article (or at least a "Good Article"). Therefore I am soliciting comments as to what needs to be done in order to get to that point. Any constructive feedback is appreciated. -- Joe Beaudoin Jr. Think out loud — WP:PORN BIO? 00:40, 12 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Automated suggestions are provided here, that you may wish to refer for some useful style guidelines. - Mailer Diablo 17:28, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Mailer_diablo! I have gone through and have done the following: expanded the lead paragraph, removed duplicate links, added the persondata template, added the non-breaking spaces between the number and measurement, fixed the headings, added footnotes and copyedited. (Obviously, a second pair of eyes wouldn't hurt.) I didn't put a caption on the picture because the picture is in the infobox and it's clearly an image of the subject in question. Also, all the information we can find is already in the article, so unless there are new developments with this performer, then we can't expand it any further. If there are any other comments, questions, or concerns regarding the article, feel free to make them! Thank you! -- Joe Beaudoin Jr. Think out loud — WP:PORN BIO? 03:41, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

A word to the wise, poor Joe: YOU SEEM OBSESSED, JOE, WITH THE WORD "PORNOGRAPHIC," WHICH YOU USE SO REDUNDANTLY AS TO BE ABSURD.

YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY OUT TO SMEAR THIS GIRL IN THE WAY YOU HAVE REWRITTEN THE LEAD. YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF.

... In addition, Joe Beaudoin, who has been obsessed with this article for some time and loves to use the word pornography, has now put false information into the lead which he keeps reinserting. Vicca retired from porn movies in 2000. Poor Joe has her making movies with Nikita until 2002. Totally wrong.

UPDATE: I see that Joe has removed some comments here, from me and another writer.. THAT is vandalism. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.164.88.92 (talk • contribs) 14 August, 2006.


 * You sir are mistaken, as I haven't removed any comments from here. Also, pornography was her profession, so I'm not going to sugarcoat it with politically correct terminology or bloated subjective terms like "porn star". Now, maybe I added one too many instances of "pornographic' in the lead paragraph, but you could have easily pointed this out without the personal attacks against my person. Clearly, it is you who belive you have ownership of the article, and belive that you do not have to abide by Wikipedia's guidelines. (For instance, your unwillingness to help us in providing us your sources for the article prior to User:AnonEMouse's assistance in getting it sourced.) I am merely trying to develop the articles as I see them, which is something I am not ashamed of. Now, if you have any other concerns, please direct them at the Vicca talk page. Thank you for your comments. -- Joe Beaudoin Jr. Think out loud — WP:PORN BIO? 07:11, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

A few thoughts...
 * The extra bold for her stage names feels like overkill...
 * especially given the glaring absence of her real name. ("Vicca" sounds like a pseudonym, and surely she had a family name at some point.)
 * Her notability seems suspect to me. The AVN Award, frankly, is the only really solid evidence of notability, IMO.  (The fact that her films are notable doesn't automatically mean that she is notable.)  This is part of a larger concern I have: there's really not that much material here.  What's the goal of this peer review?  GA status?  You're probably there.  FA status?  There's simply not enough material of note.
 * "...won the 2000 Hot d'Or as Best American Movie at the Cannes Film Festival." This makes it sound as though the Hot d'Or is awarded by the Cannes Film Festival.  My understanding is that it is announced at the same time as the Cannes Film Festival, in order to capitalize on the CFF's media coverage, but is not affiliated with it.  This is like saying that Halle Berry proudly accepted her Razzie at the Academy Awards... technically true, but unacceptably misleading to anyone not familiar with the award. Peirigill 20:28, 16 August 2006 (UTC)


 * The goal is GA status at best. FA is unattainable for this article at this point. I did go ahead and remove the bolding of the additional stage names. I'll also clear up the Hot d'Or reference. Thanks for the feedback Peirigill! -- Joe Beaudoin Jr. Think out loud — WP:PORN BIO? 22:31, 16 August 2006 (UTC)